Ian, Well, the *really* mature thing for me to have done here would probably have been to hit my Del key and ignore the message entirely. I partly thought y'all might get a hoot out of it because it's so hard to believe this guy has the knowledge of genetics he claims. The results in the Rasey project debunk two long-standing myths about the families, and he's reacting more like a hobby genealogist who's been heavily invested in those myths, than he is like a geneticist. I've had my web site 16 years now, and by far the most hostile, vituperative messages I've gotten over the years have to do with debunking family myths. One hazard of being a surname project admin: you get shot as the messenger. Diana > From: Ian Gammage > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 11:57 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Am I in error regarding RASEY-RAZEE non-match? > > Hello Diana, > > I agree. I feel you have reacted maturely too. > > Best wishes, Ian > > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen > Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2014 1:44 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Am I in error regarding RASEY-RAZEE non-match? > > Hello Ian, > > I'm relieved to know his tone seemed as offensive to you as it did to me. > It's not the kind of approach that seems intended to open a constructive > dialogue. > > Diana

Hello Ian, I'm relieved to know his tone seemed as offensive to you as it did to me. It's not the kind of approach that seems intended to open a constructive dialogue. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Gammage > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 11:20 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Am I in error regarding RASEY-RAZEE non-match? > > Diana, > > I don't know who is right and who is wrong on this question. I don't care > either way. I just find the manner in which this person has presented his > argument offensive. There is no need to use the terminology especially when > no alternative answer is presented. This man would never make a teacher > despite his specialist qualifications. Quite an academic snob. > > Best wishes, Ian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen > Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2014 11:48 AM > To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Am I in error regarding RASEY-RAZEE non-match? > > I just received the following message in regard to my RASEY Y-DNA Surname > Project. As the two families involved belong to subclades of Haplogroup I2, > I believe I could find no better group of experts to ask than subscribers to > this list, so I would request your opinion. > > The project page is out-of-date with regard to all the recent changes to the > Y-DNA haplotree, but I don't believe those have changed the relationship of > the two families to each other: > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Rasey/RaseyDNA-results.html > > If I'm wrong about the two families not being connected in genealogical > time, then I want to correct my error, though I'm baffled that he complains > I don't give lineages. They're right there on the page (scroll to far > right). > > This is the message: > > > From: David Harden [mailto:hrdndv@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 4:16 PM > > To: DianaGM@dgmweb.net > > Subject: Rasey Y-DNA Surname Project > > > > This is a complaint that you are not putting correct > > information on your site. I am PhD Biologist specializing > > in speciation. I know DNA. When you get an individual > > representing Joseph Rasey and Mary Hollan you must present > > the paternal lineage so it can be checked. There are many > > people out there that have erroneous lineages. There are > > also many family children lists that are linked to the > > wrong parent. Quite often a male child born to the mother’s > > first husband will adopt the surname of the second husband. > > These problems cannot be examined when you do not give the > > full male lineage. Your conclusion that Joseph Rasey who > > married Mary Hollan is not related to the other Joseph > > Rasey is bogus. You do not know this. If you did not mean > > to say this in the results page then you should correct it. > > You present y-DNA results in an amateurish unprofessional > > way. You need to go back to school and learn what you are > > doing.

I just received the following message in regard to my RASEY Y-DNA Surname Project. As the two families involved belong to subclades of Haplogroup I2, I believe I could find no better group of experts to ask than subscribers to this list, so I would request your opinion. The project page is out-of-date with regard to all the recent changes to the Y-DNA haplotree, but I don't believe those have changed the relationship of the two families to each other: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Rasey/RaseyDNA-results.html If I'm wrong about the two families not being connected in genealogical time, then I want to correct my error, though I'm baffled that he complains I don't give lineages. They're right there on the page (scroll to far right). This is the message: > From: David Harden [mailto:hrdndv@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 4:16 PM > To: DianaGM@dgmweb.net > Subject: Rasey Y-DNA Surname Project > > This is a complaint that you are not putting correct > information on your site. I am PhD Biologist specializing > in speciation. I know DNA. When you get an individual > representing Joseph Rasey and Mary Hollan you must present > the paternal lineage so it can be checked. There are many > people out there that have erroneous lineages. There are > also many family children lists that are linked to the > wrong parent. Quite often a male child born to the mother’s > first husband will adopt the surname of the second husband. > These problems cannot be examined when you do not give the > full male lineage. Your conclusion that Joseph Rasey who > married Mary Hollan is not related to the other Joseph > Rasey is bogus. You do not know this. If you did not mean > to say this in the results page then you should correct it. > You present y-DNA results in an amateurish unprofessional > way. You need to go back to school and learn what you are > doing.

Ralph, Of your listed Novel Variants, you have 90 new SNP locations that appear not to be listed in other I-M223 members' results. Of those 90, you have S16171, S16500, S16912 and S22215 that were found in a Chromo2 tester and named by BritainsDNA. What we need is another L623+ person to test Big Y to give up that comparison in the L623 branch. At present I can only compare you to those from other branches which help to identify the SNPs that are upstream of where L623 split off. Wayne On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Ralph Games <gamesri@comcast.net> wrote: > Thank you ken that helps to clear that up. > Ralph > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 4:24 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? > > No; they are now clearly known snps, having been found in one or more BigY > results. They are identified in the sense that their positions on the y > chromosome are given. They are just NEW. > > Big Y looks at approximately 10 million locations on the Y. So everyone > will have newly discovered snps unique right now to himself. As more very > close male relatives are tested, these downstream novel variants found in > your dna will also be found in your close male relatives. That's the > whole > idea --- find new snps which allows pushing the Y tree closer and closer > to the present. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Games > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:11 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? > > Ken I am not aware of any other L623+ participant. Noval variants are > unknown unidentified snps? > Ralph > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Nordtvedt > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:30 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? > > Who is being talked about? I see no June 5 BigY release? Has it been > recalled like a GM auto? What are useless NVs? I seem to remember a > McGugan BigY yesterday but which does not show today? > > Ralph, given your isolated branch of M223, I'd expect a lot of novel > variants (new snps). Do you know if there is a second BigY customer from > L623+? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Games > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:47 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? > > Ken or Wayne, Novel Variants I have 259 listed what is the significances of > this type of SNP? > If you would explain please. > Ralph > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wayne R. > Roberts > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 5:31 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? > > Kenneth, > > We have a kit in I-M223 Project that the History had said it was completed > on 29th May (day of the Big Y glitch) but his results only appeared today. > He is listed with only 80 (mostly useless) Novel Variants and for his Known > SNPs he has no M223, CTS6433 (which he tested + individually) and many of > his SNPs between M223 and CTS6433 are reported as negative or no result. I > have emailed FTDNA about it. > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > wrote: > > > After going almost into a Rip Van Winkle deep sleep due to FTDNA’s > > near moratorium on new data I see an I1 Z63 kit N3626 BigY result > > today. On closer inspection it looks like a repeat of an old BigY > > release. > > > > Can anyone in Z63 shed light on this? > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No; they are now clearly known snps, having been found in one or more BigY results. They are identified in the sense that their positions on the y chromosome are given. They are just NEW. Big Y looks at approximately 10 million locations on the Y. So everyone will have newly discovered snps unique right now to himself. As more very close male relatives are tested, these downstream novel variants found in your dna will also be found in your close male relatives. That's the whole idea --- find new snps which allows pushing the Y tree closer and closer to the present. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Games Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:11 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Ken I am not aware of any other L623+ participant. Noval variants are unknown unidentified snps? Ralph -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:30 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Who is being talked about? I see no June 5 BigY release? Has it been recalled like a GM auto? What are useless NVs? I seem to remember a McGugan BigY yesterday but which does not show today? Ralph, given your isolated branch of M223, I'd expect a lot of novel variants (new snps). Do you know if there is a second BigY customer from L623+? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Games Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:47 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Ken or Wayne, Novel Variants I have 259 listed what is the significances of this type of SNP? If you would explain please. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 5:31 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Kenneth, We have a kit in I-M223 Project that the History had said it was completed on 29th May (day of the Big Y glitch) but his results only appeared today. He is listed with only 80 (mostly useless) Novel Variants and for his Known SNPs he has no M223, CTS6433 (which he tested + individually) and many of his SNPs between M223 and CTS6433 are reported as negative or no result. I have emailed FTDNA about it. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > After going almost into a Rip Van Winkle deep sleep due to FTDNA’s > near moratorium on new data I see an I1 Z63 kit N3626 BigY result > today. On closer inspection it looks like a repeat of an old BigY > release. > > Can anyone in Z63 shed light on this? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you ken that helps to clear that up. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 4:24 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? No; they are now clearly known snps, having been found in one or more BigY results. They are identified in the sense that their positions on the y chromosome are given. They are just NEW. Big Y looks at approximately 10 million locations on the Y. So everyone will have newly discovered snps unique right now to himself. As more very close male relatives are tested, these downstream novel variants found in your dna will also be found in your close male relatives. That's the whole idea --- find new snps which allows pushing the Y tree closer and closer to the present. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Games Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:11 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Ken I am not aware of any other L623+ participant. Noval variants are unknown unidentified snps? Ralph -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:30 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Who is being talked about? I see no June 5 BigY release? Has it been recalled like a GM auto? What are useless NVs? I seem to remember a McGugan BigY yesterday but which does not show today? Ralph, given your isolated branch of M223, I'd expect a lot of novel variants (new snps). Do you know if there is a second BigY customer from L623+? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Games Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:47 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Ken or Wayne, Novel Variants I have 259 listed what is the significances of this type of SNP? If you would explain please. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 5:31 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Kenneth, We have a kit in I-M223 Project that the History had said it was completed on 29th May (day of the Big Y glitch) but his results only appeared today. He is listed with only 80 (mostly useless) Novel Variants and for his Known SNPs he has no M223, CTS6433 (which he tested + individually) and many of his SNPs between M223 and CTS6433 are reported as negative or no result. I have emailed FTDNA about it. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > After going almost into a Rip Van Winkle deep sleep due to FTDNA’s > near moratorium on new data I see an I1 Z63 kit N3626 BigY result > today. On closer inspection it looks like a repeat of an old BigY > release. > > Can anyone in Z63 shed light on this? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

it appears I1 has had no really new BigY results for 10 days? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

Ken I am not aware of any other L623+ participant. Noval variants are unknown unidentified snps? Ralph -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:30 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Who is being talked about? I see no June 5 BigY release? Has it been recalled like a GM auto? What are useless NVs? I seem to remember a McGugan BigY yesterday but which does not show today? Ralph, given your isolated branch of M223, I'd expect a lot of novel variants (new snps). Do you know if there is a second BigY customer from L623+? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Games Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:47 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Ken or Wayne, Novel Variants I have 259 listed what is the significances of this type of SNP? If you would explain please. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 5:31 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Kenneth, We have a kit in I-M223 Project that the History had said it was completed on 29th May (day of the Big Y glitch) but his results only appeared today. He is listed with only 80 (mostly useless) Novel Variants and for his Known SNPs he has no M223, CTS6433 (which he tested + individually) and many of his SNPs between M223 and CTS6433 are reported as negative or no result. I have emailed FTDNA about it. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > After going almost into a Rip Van Winkle deep sleep due to FTDNA’s > near moratorium on new data I see an I1 Z63 kit N3626 BigY result > today. On closer inspection it looks like a repeat of an old BigY > release. > > Can anyone in Z63 shed light on this? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Who is being talked about? I see no June 5 BigY release? Has it been recalled like a GM auto? What are useless NVs? I seem to remember a McGugan BigY yesterday but which does not show today? Ralph, given your isolated branch of M223, I'd expect a lot of novel variants (new snps). Do you know if there is a second BigY customer from L623+? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Games Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:47 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Ken or Wayne, Novel Variants I have 259 listed what is the significances of this type of SNP? If you would explain please. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 5:31 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Kenneth, We have a kit in I-M223 Project that the History had said it was completed on 29th May (day of the Big Y glitch) but his results only appeared today. He is listed with only 80 (mostly useless) Novel Variants and for his Known SNPs he has no M223, CTS6433 (which he tested + individually) and many of his SNPs between M223 and CTS6433 are reported as negative or no result. I have emailed FTDNA about it. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > After going almost into a Rip Van Winkle deep sleep due to FTDNA’s > near moratorium on new data I see an I1 Z63 kit N3626 BigY result > today. On closer inspection it looks like a repeat of an old BigY > release. > > Can anyone in Z63 shed light on this? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken or Wayne, Novel Variants I have 259 listed what is the significances of this type of SNP? If you would explain please. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 5:31 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Kenneth, We have a kit in I-M223 Project that the History had said it was completed on 29th May (day of the Big Y glitch) but his results only appeared today. He is listed with only 80 (mostly useless) Novel Variants and for his Known SNPs he has no M223, CTS6433 (which he tested + individually) and many of his SNPs between M223 and CTS6433 are reported as negative or no result. I have emailed FTDNA about it. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > After going almost into a Rip Van Winkle deep sleep due to FTDNA’s > near moratorium on new data I see an I1 Z63 kit N3626 BigY result > today. On closer inspection it looks like a repeat of an old BigY release. > > Can anyone in Z63 shed light on this? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hasn't stopped them from spamming people to buy their y-dna test. I received such an advertisement just this morning. And you won't believe the huge savings their offering since it will soon no longer be available. It's 10% off! I rushed out and bought ten kits for all my cousins. Nothing like a 10% off, everything must go sale. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts [mailto:i.m223.roberts@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:36 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Ancestry dropping Y-DNA testing. I also received an email saying that Ancestry is closing their MyFamily sites also and that people need to download their stored trees, data, stories, photographs, etc. It will also cease on 5th September. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Allen <KE7IQQ@comcast.net> wrote: > Today I recieved a email notifying me that Ancestry will be retiring > Y-DNA and MT-DNA testing and that I can download my raw data as a CSV > file prior to September 5, 2014 > > While I have transferred and extended my test at FTDNA most of the > Surname tests are still at Ancestry with only a few at FTDNA. > > The recent results at FTDNA for Big-Y and the changes to the tree have > left me less than confident in the commitment to Y-DNA testing at FTDNA. > > Y-Seq looks like a alternitive for the Ancestry tests to be extended > and I have been trying to understand the I-P109 results in Kens tree > from 20 May > 2014 so I can recomend that those who tested at Ancestry can test SNP > to confirm P109 and deturmine a subclade with in the P109 group for > the Hulse Surname. > > It appears that this surname has two main groups one with a 13 at > DYS393 and the other with a 14 at DYS393. the age calculated by Ken to > a MRCA was around 900 years for the groups. > > I have been trying to identify a group of SNP down stream from P109 > but not so far down stream that they appear to be private for the > individule where they were found. so far tests with a 1 step > difference at 67 markers have not matched to the SNP for the individules where they were found. > > This announcemnt by Ancestry is giving me a new sence of urgency to > make progress here. > > Allen > B1424 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I also received an email saying that Ancestry is closing their MyFamily sites also and that people need to download their stored trees, data, stories, photographs, etc. It will also cease on 5th September. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Allen <KE7IQQ@comcast.net> wrote: > Today I recieved a email notifying me that Ancestry will be retiring Y-DNA > and MT-DNA testing and that I can download my raw data as a CSV file prior > to September 5, 2014 > > While I have transferred and extended my test at FTDNA most of the Surname > tests are still at Ancestry with only a few at FTDNA. > > The recent results at FTDNA for Big-Y and the changes to the tree have left > me less than confident in the commitment to Y-DNA testing at FTDNA. > > Y-Seq looks like a alternitive for the Ancestry tests to be extended and I > have been trying to understand the I-P109 results in Kens tree from 20 May > 2014 so I can recomend that those who tested at Ancestry can test SNP to > confirm P109 and deturmine a subclade with in the P109 group for the Hulse > Surname. > > It appears that this surname has two main groups one with a 13 at DYS393 > and > the other with a 14 at DYS393. the age calculated by Ken to a MRCA was > around 900 years for the groups. > > I have been trying to identify a group of SNP down stream from P109 but not > so far down stream that they appear to be private for the individule where > they were found. so far tests with a 1 step difference at 67 markers have > not matched to the SNP for the individules where they were found. > > This announcemnt by Ancestry is giving me a new sence of urgency to make > progress here. > > Allen > B1424 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kenneth, We have a kit in I-M223 Project that the History had said it was completed on 29th May (day of the Big Y glitch) but his results only appeared today. He is listed with only 80 (mostly useless) Novel Variants and for his Known SNPs he has no M223, CTS6433 (which he tested + individually) and many of his SNPs between M223 and CTS6433 are reported as negative or no result. I have emailed FTDNA about it. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > After going almost into a Rip Van Winkle deep sleep due to FTDNA’s near > moratorium on new data I see an I1 Z63 kit N3626 BigY result today. On > closer inspection it looks like a repeat of an old BigY release. > > Can anyone in Z63 shed light on this? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And they are dropping MyCanvas--all the family history books that took zillions of hours to compile will disappear into the ether. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Wayne R. Roberts <i.m223.roberts@gmail.com> wrote: > I also received an email saying that Ancestry is closing their MyFamily > sites also and that people need to download their stored trees, data, > stories, photographs, etc. It will also cease on 5th September. > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Allen <KE7IQQ@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Today I recieved a email notifying me that Ancestry will be retiring > Y-DNA > > and MT-DNA testing and that I can download my raw data as a CSV file > prior > > to September 5, 2014 > > > > While I have transferred and extended my test at FTDNA most of the > Surname > > tests are still at Ancestry with only a few at FTDNA. > > > > The recent results at FTDNA for Big-Y and the changes to the tree have > left > > me less than confident in the commitment to Y-DNA testing at FTDNA. > > > > Y-Seq looks like a alternitive for the Ancestry tests to be extended and > I > > have been trying to understand the I-P109 results in Kens tree from 20 > May > > 2014 so I can recomend that those who tested at Ancestry can test SNP to > > confirm P109 and deturmine a subclade with in the P109 group for the > Hulse > > Surname. > > > > It appears that this surname has two main groups one with a 13 at DYS393 > > and > > the other with a 14 at DYS393. the age calculated by Ken to a MRCA was > > around 900 years for the groups. > > > > I have been trying to identify a group of SNP down stream from P109 but > not > > so far down stream that they appear to be private for the individule > where > > they were found. so far tests with a 1 step difference at 67 markers have > > not matched to the SNP for the individules where they were found. > > > > This announcemnt by Ancestry is giving me a new sence of urgency to make > > progress here. > > > > Allen > > B1424 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This afternoon I began comparing NVs side by side and so far they are identical. Given the mystery of FTDNA's actions (the whole company is a mystery to me!) I will continue and compare NVs to the end. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Brent Bradberry Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:28 PM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Z63ers; why the BigY repeat? Ken - I am N3626. My BigY results came from batch 544 and were posted a few weeks ago. About two weeks ago the results were pulled. I asked why and have not received a reply. Now that they have been reposted, I'll be interested to see what, if anything, has changed. Brent Bradberry N3626 I-Z63 (T2 EB) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken - I am N3626. My BigY results came from batch 544 and were posted a few weeks ago. About two weeks ago the results were pulled. I asked why and have not received a reply. Now that they have been reposted, I'll be interested to see what, if anything, has changed. Brent Bradberry N3626 I-Z63 (T2 EB)

The recent results at FTDNA for Big-Y and the changes to the tree have left me less than confident in the commitment to Y-DNA testing at FTDNA. ********************** No question the new tree is a mess, and I was surprised to hear that it is based on the now-obsolete Geno 2.0. At this rate, FTDNA will never catch up with us; however, I don't have reason to question the commitment to Y-DNA testing--after all, isn't it the bread and butter of genetic genealogy? And Big-Y only expands the possibilities. Lindsey

After going almost into a Rip Van Winkle deep sleep due to FTDNA’s near moratorium on new data I see an I1 Z63 kit N3626 BigY result today. On closer inspection it looks like a repeat of an old BigY release. Can anyone in Z63 shed light on this? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

Yes, y-seq is a boon to all of us--I have been trying to spread the word. I'm sorry my group didn't do Big-Y or we would probably be testing new SNPs at y-seq right now. When I don't have something solid to analyze, I tend to start speculating and I confess to a considerable amount of speculation regarding the Britton-Bronson match. Good thing Bronson will soon have 111 markers. I was thinking mainly of standard tests, however, when I sent that e-mail--also thinking that my job as Administrator of a surname project might be easier if all Brittons were under one roof so to speak. Lindsey PS I believe this is the second time that Ancestry has withdrawn from Y-DNA testing. Y-seq may be getting so many requests as a result of Big-Y that it's hard to keep up with demand. ************************ There is www.yseq.net who will do y snps that customers find downstream in the tree and request. Prices are decent. So hopefully we will not be down to one in a total sense. My initial experience was that they produced quick response times for tests, but at the moment I am with surprise waiting for some key test results from them. Since the pending BigY test list is rather skimpy, future progress in downstream tree development will require many people ordering as individual snps those relevant to their location in the tree and previously found in BigY or other full y genome products. Kenneth Nordtvedt

Ancestry has just announced that Y-DNA and Mt-DNA tests will no longer be offered or supported after September 5, 2014. Customers who want to preserve their data must download it before that date. Lindsey