Kit B3332. Kit 331731 is also likely to order.. Kit 33171 matches Kit B3332 60/67. Both are members of the I1 project. Lindsey

Hi, John, No apology necessary at all. I'm glad you were able to use the coupon for someone closely-related to you. I think that's the best use you could possibly make of it. Lindsey ************************* Lindsey and Ken, I have been able to organize the financing to order a BigY test for Mr. Kline, a close STR match to me. My coupon, therefore, is not available to give to others for the BigY Sale. I apologize for this reversal, Lindsey, and hope you are able to locate another coupon for your use. John M Rhodes

Lindsey and Ken, I have been able to organize the financing to order a BigY test for Mr. Kline, a close STR match to me. My coupon, therefore, is not available to give to others for the BigY Sale. I apologize for this reversal, Lindsey, and hope you are able to locate another coupon for your use. John M Rhodes

Ken, My BigY Matches returned a list of 26 matches. All were listed as differing from me at YSC0001396. Ten of these are known to be YSC0001396- meaning that I am YSC0001396+. I have learned that this SNP also turned up in the J1 haplogroup. As you know, I have tested as CTS6364+ and L69+. L69 has apparently turned up in other haplogroups as well. Have you any information about the location or other occurence of YSC0001396? Thank you. John M Rhodes

ysc0001396 at location 7682801 does not show up derived in well over a hundred BigY files I have in my spreadsheet. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: John M Rhodes Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 6:57 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] YSC0001396+ for me (Kit 80366) Ken, My BigY Matches returned a list of 26 matches. All were listed as differing from me at YSC0001396. Ten of these are known to be YSC0001396- meaning that I am YSC0001396+. I have learned that this SNP also turned up in the J1 haplogroup. As you know, I have tested as CTS6364+ and L69+. L69 has apparently turned up in other haplogroups as well. Have you any information about the location or other occurence of YSC0001396? Thank you. John M Rhodes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So they claim.

I've just had an inquiry from a second AS7E2 asking about the differences between WTY and Big-Y. I told him scale and method and sent him a link to the description at FTDNA. Is there anything else I should send? What he really wants to know, I'm sure, is the probability that the test will help answer his genealogical questions, and the most I can say is that Big-Y, with a valid comparison, is a big step in that direction, but not the end game.--at least not yet. Lindsey

The FTDNA coupon announcement states '--- through June 17.) Perhaps it is the YSEQ Sale ending on June 15 that you were thinking about. :-) John M Rhodes On 2014-06-11, at 12:14 PM, "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> wrote: > If the sale ends on Father's day, isn't that the 15th? Or do I have the date > wrong? > > >> From: John M Rhodes >> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:23 AM >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [yDNAhgI] BigY Sale - My $100 coupon is available >> >> I will give my BigY sale coupon to a haplogroup I1 person who has tested >> CTS6364+ And/or L69+ . This coupon reduced the ($595) sale price to $495! >> The sale only runs through June 17th so hurry! Contact me directly at >> johnmrhodes409 @ gmail.com >> >> John M Rhodes > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, that is right. This was announced as a Father's Day sale but it doesn't end then. On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:39 PM, John M Rhodes <johnmrhodes409@gmail.com> wrote: > The FTDNA coupon announcement states '--- through June 17.) Perhaps it is > the YSEQ Sale ending on June 15 that you were thinking about. :-) > > John M Rhodes > > On 2014-06-11, at 12:14 PM, "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> > wrote: > > > If the sale ends on Father's day, isn't that the 15th? Or do I have the > date > > wrong? > > > > > >> From: John M Rhodes > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:23 AM > >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [yDNAhgI] BigY Sale - My $100 coupon is available > >> > >> I will give my BigY sale coupon to a haplogroup I1 person who has tested > >> CTS6364+ And/or L69+ . This coupon reduced the ($595) sale price to > $495! > >> The sale only runs through June 17th so hurry! Contact me directly at > >> johnmrhodes409 @ gmail.com > >> > >> John M Rhodes > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, I sent you a private e-mail earlier today. I think I know someone in my I1-L1275 subgroup who would like your coupon if it is still available. Lindsey ****************************** Diana, The sale ends on the 17th. Lindsey We are excited to announce our Father's Day Sale! Act now so you don't miss out on our lowest Family Finder price ever! These offers are valid from 6/9/2014 through 6/17/2014.

If the sale ends on Father's day, isn't that the 15th? Or do I have the date wrong? > From: John M Rhodes > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:23 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] BigY Sale - My $100 coupon is available > > I will give my BigY sale coupon to a haplogroup I1 person who has tested > CTS6364+ And/or L69+ . This coupon reduced the ($595) sale price to $495! > The sale only runs through June 17th so hurry! Contact me directly at > johnmrhodes409 @ gmail.com > > John M Rhodes

We'll have to agree to disagree. > -----Original Message----- > From: wendy quinlan > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:07 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Am I in error regarding RASEY-RAZEE non-match? <snip>

Aha! Very interesting information there on your site! Okay yes, questioning your conclusion, without clearly specifying what he is actually questioning, is very strange. > 11 jun 2014 kl. 11:13 skrev "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net>: > > I agree, so I, too, consider two a minimum as we need to rule out a possible NPE. Of course, more would be even better, but at least I do have two of each family (scroll down a bit for the data tables): > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Rasey/RaseyDNA-results.html > > Each member of the two pairs descends from a different son of their respective progenitors, so I'm confident none has an NPE. The alleged paper connection between the two families never did exist, so I don't suspect either progenitor has an NPE. And, of course, the absolute certainty is that neither of these Hg I2 families can possibly connect to the Hg R1b MacLEODs of the Isle of Raasay, which was the "big myth." > > Diana > > >> From: Peter Larsen >> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:37 AM >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Am I in error regarding RASEY-RAZEE non-match? >> >> Without knowing any details about the RASEY-RAZEE non-match subject, I am >> sorry for that, but looking at it from a general perspective; if two testers >> does not match, while having the most distant paternal sharing familyname, to >> outrule that the distant ancestors is not related one must test atleast two >> descendants on separate lines from each of the ancestors and the individuals >> share the same ancestor must match with each other while the pairs does not >> match each other. >> >> Is that the logic to use? Atleast 4 tests to secure both ancestors Y-DNA and >> the line to the descendants. I guess if two testers sharing ancestor does not >> match but one of them match the other pair, then we both have verified the the >> distant ancestors where related and also have identified one line that does >> not have a correct father somewhere >> >> Skickat från min iPhone > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

First L338+ AS8 clade person’s BigY results were released today but in different format from earlier BigYs. But it can be determined that AS8 is derived for all BigY snps phyloequivalent to L338 and YSC0000261, but it is ancestral for all further downstream snps which remain unique to AS1 at the moment. See “BigYtree-L338 AS1” Because FTDNA radically changed format of BigY releases, there is no efficient way right now to extract AS8 clade Mr A’s downstream snps, so I won’t. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

I will give my BigY sale coupon to a haplogroup I1 person who has tested CTS6364+ And/or L69+ . This coupon reduced the ($595) sale price to $495! The sale only runs through June 17th so hurry! Contact me directly at johnmrhodes409 @ gmail.com John M Rhodes On 2014-06-09, at 9:39 PM, Elizabeth Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com> wrote: > > Kit 331731 (Bronson) is a 64/67 match for Britton and is expecting results for his Y-11 1 upgrade on the 26th, but is tempted to order Big-Y during the sale this week. He wants to know which AS7E2 would make the best comparison for him--Britton or Lynch (who is a 60/67 match) --or whether someone else from AS7E2 be just as good. My view is that he probably won't have a choice--I think we'll be lucky to get a second volunteer. > > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> From: Peter Larsen > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:06 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Am I in error regarding RASEY-RAZEE non-match? > > Aha! Very interesting information there on your site! Okay yes, questioning > your conclusion, without clearly specifying what he is actually questioning, > is very strange. It is, especially as I checked him of Facebook, and he does show a PhD in Biology and Math, though earned decades ago. He continues to message me and continues to display what is, IMO, no understanding of the genetics involved. It is clear that he is deeply vested in what I would call the "mythical" genealogy of the RASEY family, the kind of romanticized genealogy that got published so often a century or more ago, at the height of the "vanity book" craze. For now, I don't see him accepting that genetics have debunked the RASEY-MACLEOD myth. Diana

 Thank you. I think. Even tho you apologized for your lack of tack, and I would like to graciously accept your apology, you turn around in the very next breathe and   accuse me of being a woman who reinforces negative stereotypes against women.   What's up with that?  Who brainwashed you into believing that your so called negative female stereotypes have any validity whatsoever.  Nobody remembers Freud anymore, and the younger generation accepts much more variation in human behavior and responses as being normal.   You need to realize that PMS is not a negative stereotype to anyone but you and your unusual belief system.  It is a self limiting condition characterized by several physical discomforts and a low progesterone level.   We don't feel good for a week, and we may cry easily or yell at kids  when they make too much noise, but I assure you that most other women and men are kinder when they know you aren't your usual self.  I've never seen anybody post to facebook that women with PMS have completely ruined their otherwise good impression of women.   So what if I thought that the woman who wrote me that angry letter was being affected by a severe episode of PMS? I can recognize PMS traits because I had it too. Perhaps I was wrong, but what if I wasn't?  And does it matter? PMS was not used as an insult, but rather as a possible cause.   The whole point of my original posting was just to empathize with you by sharing a similiar experience that I had, and you shot me down cold. I hope this concludes this whole unpleasant episode, as I don't think I want another forked tongue apology. On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:36 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> wrote: I apologize for my lack of tact, Wendy.  I just hate to see women reinforcing negative stereotypes about women.  Diana > From: wendy quinlan > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 1:24 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Am I in error regarding RASEY-RAZEE non-match? > > I don't think I deserve that kind of snippy and pejorative reply.  It was just > as rude to me as that man was to you. Which goes to show that rudeness has > nothing to do with educational deficits. > > Wendy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Without knowing any details about the RASEY-RAZEE non-match subject, I am sorry for that, but looking at it from a general perspective; if two testers does not match, while having the most distant paternal sharing familyname, to outrule that the distant ancestors is not related one must test atleast two descendants on separate lines from each of the ancestors and the individuals share the same ancestor must match with each other while the pairs does not match each other. Is that the logic to use? Atleast 4 tests to secure both ancestors Y-DNA and the line to the descendants. I guess if two testers sharing ancestor does not match but one of them match the other pair, then we both have verified the the distant ancestors where related and also have identified one line that does not have a correct father somewhere Skickat från min iPhone 8 jun 2014 kl. 18:34 skrev "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net>: > > The rub is that appeals to authority are a logical fallacy to begin with, > something I would assume an educated person would know, so not use one. The > issue has to be whether the conclusions drawn from the test results are valid - > and if not, why not - not over the credentials of who made them. He didn't > address the actual issue, at all. I mean, if he thinks a GD of 16 at 67 markers > (30 at 111 markers) is a match, he needs to give the basis for such an > assertion, not just tell me I'm wrong. > > Diana > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree, so I, too, consider two a minimum as we need to rule out a possible NPE. Of course, more would be even better, but at least I do have two of each family (scroll down a bit for the data tables): http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Rasey/RaseyDNA-results.html Each member of the two pairs descends from a different son of their respective progenitors, so I'm confident none has an NPE. The alleged paper connection between the two families never did exist, so I don't suspect either progenitor has an NPE. And, of course, the absolute certainty is that neither of these Hg I2 families can possibly connect to the Hg R1b MacLEODs of the Isle of Raasay, which was the "big myth." Diana > From: Peter Larsen > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:37 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Am I in error regarding RASEY-RAZEE non-match? > > Without knowing any details about the RASEY-RAZEE non-match subject, I am > sorry for that, but looking at it from a general perspective; if two testers > does not match, while having the most distant paternal sharing familyname, to > outrule that the distant ancestors is not related one must test atleast two > descendants on separate lines from each of the ancestors and the individuals > share the same ancestor must match with each other while the pairs does not > match each other. > > Is that the logic to use? Atleast 4 tests to secure both ancestors Y-DNA and > the line to the descendants. I guess if two testers sharing ancestor does not > match but one of them match the other pair, then we both have verified the the > distant ancestors where related and also have identified one line that does > not have a correct father somewhere > > Skickat från min iPhone

I apologize for my lack of tact, Wendy. I just hate to see women reinforcing negative stereotypes about women. Diana > From: wendy quinlan > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 1:24 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Am I in error regarding RASEY-RAZEE non-match? > > I don't think I deserve that kind of snippy and pejorative reply.  It was just > as rude to me as that man was to you. Which goes to show that rudeness has > nothing to do with educational deficits. > > Wendy