Hi, The I-P109 project is in need of BigY coupons. If anybody has some to spare, please contact me directly.  Mvh/Regards Nicolas Taban

Looks at “BigYtree-L813” The five more ancient branch lines all have haplotypes with the more typical I1 12 at DYS464a instead of the unusual 11 characteristic of uN clades. Most of them also have the “normal” 15 at DYS464c. That ancient five includes the hefty clade I1d-911 with 14 at DYS393, high DYS388, 12 at 464a, 9 at H4 and mostly 11 at DYS390. The ancient five population is much older in its variance than the rest of L813+ uN clades. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

Anyone have one available for L596 project BobDNA Projects I2b L415, I2c L596 HG & Tyler Surname and ISOGG YTree

Very interesting!, being z382+ z2042- myself, what part of your BigYtree-Z2040.pptx should I look closer at? 2014-06-14 1:52 GMT+02:00 Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>: > I have added another sector tree for BigY results, “ BigYtree-Z2040” > > This includes the hefty AS3 clade and some others, mostly Z382+ > > I have not yet entered the individual persons’ unique snps from BigY; > that’s the time consuming part. > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a coupon available if anyone is interested please contact me off line and I will email the information to you. Ralph Games -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert May Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 11:21 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] BigY Coupon Anyone have one available for L596 project BobDNA Projects I2b L415, I2c L596 HG & Tyler Surname and ISOGG YTree ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Almost everyone in Z382 sector are Z2042-, so not much is ruled out. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Peter Larsen Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 5:56 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY Tree for I1-Z2040 sector Very interesting!, being z382+ z2042- myself, what part of your BigYtree-Z2040.pptx should I look closer at? 2014-06-14 1:52 GMT+02:00 Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>: > I have added another sector tree for BigY results, “ BigYtree-Z2040” > > This includes the hefty AS3 clade and some others, mostly Z382+ > > I have not yet entered the individual persons’ unique snps from BigY; > that’s the time consuming part. > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see I made a typo of my own. That should of course be S5619 instead of DS5619. On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Obed W Odom <owodom@utexas.edu> wrote: > Ray, I am negative for S2293, so I think equating S2293 with S5619 is a > typo in Ken's Chromo2 Z58 tree. He probably meant to only put AS2293 > parallel to DS5619 rather than having it in 2 places. Is that right, Ken? > > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Thanks Ken >> Being a none scientist the way that FTDNA appears to be presenting the >> BigY >> results is meaningless to the layman. When bigY came out the general >> recommendation was it would only be meaningful if someone close to you >> also >> did the test for comparisons.. >> I sent out a few emails at the time to AS2 people but got no response, so >> nothing appears to have changed and going by the posts on this site >> there's >> some frustration with FTDNA. >> I took the the S2677 test based on I believe your recommendation a few >> months ago and based on what Obed said based on my result it looks like >> there may be another choice of S2293 which appears at 2 levels before you >> get to S5619. >> Guys like me need people like you who are willing to share your knowledge. >> You are appreciated >> >> Thank You >> Ray Jenkins >> I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- >> > FTDNA Kit#186150, >> > Ysearch AETEN >> >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> From: Kenneth Nordtvedt >> Date: 06/14/14 20:11:21 >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq >> >> There is much more information to gain from the BigY test I would think. >> >> My bigY tree includes only the novel variants. And as of the present no >> AS2 >> Has done the BigY. >> >> >> >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> >> Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ray Jenkins >> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:06 PM >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq >> >> Obed >> I haven't tested with Yseq before so it may be a while before I get my >> test >> Kit and we get a result. >> I take it that S5619 was found in the Chromo2 test because it only shows >> That branch on KN's Chromo chart and not on his BigY chart. >> I've been debating which of the 2 tests would personally benefit me the >> most >> >> I know they are close in price at the moment but being British (but living >> In Canada) I am leaning towards the Chromo2 test >> >> Thank you. >> Ray Jenkins >> >> >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> From: Obed W Odom >> Date: 06/14/14 19:15:16 >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq >> >> Ray, if you turn out to be negative for S6277, you might want to test for >> S5619/FGC3500 at YSEQ. I am negative for S6277 but positive for >> S5619/FGC3500. It seems that the latter SNP will be positive for Z138+ >> Z2541- cluster AS1414, but it could be a little upstream of AS1414. Two >> Members of AS1414, including myself, are known to be positive for >> S5619/FGC3500, but 2 other Z138+ individuals of unknown cluster were also >> Shown to be positive for it in the Chromo2 test. >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: >> >> > Hi >> > I just ordered S6277 from Yseq >> > >> > Ray Jenkins >> > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- >> > FTDNA Kit#186150, >> > Ysearch AETEN >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > No virus found in this message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7677 - Release Date: >> 06/14/14 >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> The quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> The quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Ray, I am negative for S2293, so I think equating S2293 with S5619 is a typo in Ken's Chromo2 Z58 tree. He probably meant to only put AS2293 parallel to DS5619 rather than having it in 2 places. Is that right, Ken? On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > Thanks Ken > Being a none scientist the way that FTDNA appears to be presenting the BigY > results is meaningless to the layman. When bigY came out the general > recommendation was it would only be meaningful if someone close to you also > did the test for comparisons.. > I sent out a few emails at the time to AS2 people but got no response, so > nothing appears to have changed and going by the posts on this site there's > some frustration with FTDNA. > I took the the S2677 test based on I believe your recommendation a few > months ago and based on what Obed said based on my result it looks like > there may be another choice of S2293 which appears at 2 levels before you > get to S5619. > Guys like me need people like you who are willing to share your knowledge. > You are appreciated > > Thank You > Ray Jenkins > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > > FTDNA Kit#186150, > > Ysearch AETEN > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Date: 06/14/14 20:11:21 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq > > There is much more information to gain from the BigY test I would think. > > My bigY tree includes only the novel variants. And as of the present no AS2 > Has done the BigY. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Jenkins > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:06 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq > > Obed > I haven't tested with Yseq before so it may be a while before I get my test > Kit and we get a result. > I take it that S5619 was found in the Chromo2 test because it only shows > That branch on KN's Chromo chart and not on his BigY chart. > I've been debating which of the 2 tests would personally benefit me the > most > > I know they are close in price at the moment but being British (but living > In Canada) I am leaning towards the Chromo2 test > > Thank you. > Ray Jenkins > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Obed W Odom > Date: 06/14/14 19:15:16 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq > > Ray, if you turn out to be negative for S6277, you might want to test for > S5619/FGC3500 at YSEQ. I am negative for S6277 but positive for > S5619/FGC3500. It seems that the latter SNP will be positive for Z138+ > Z2541- cluster AS1414, but it could be a little upstream of AS1414. Two > Members of AS1414, including myself, are known to be positive for > S5619/FGC3500, but 2 other Z138+ individuals of unknown cluster were also > Shown to be positive for it in the Chromo2 test. > > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > > > Hi > > I just ordered S6277 from Yseq > > > > Ray Jenkins > > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > > FTDNA Kit#186150, > > Ysearch AETEN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7677 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > The quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > The quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Did you look at the "Chromo2Z58"? S519 and S2293 are parallel to each other I believe. S2677 is a good place to start given you are AS2 Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Ray Jenkins Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:57 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq Thanks Ken Being a none scientist the way that FTDNA appears to be presenting the BigY results is meaningless to the layman. When bigY came out the general recommendation was it would only be meaningful if someone close to you also did the test for comparisons.. I sent out a few emails at the time to AS2 people but got no response, so nothing appears to have changed and going by the posts on this site there's some frustration with FTDNA. I took the the S2677 test based on I believe your recommendation a few months ago and based on what Obed said based on my result it looks like there may be another choice of S2293 which appears at 2 levels before you get to S5619. Guys like me need people like you who are willing to share your knowledge. You are appreciated Thank You Ray Jenkins I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > FTDNA Kit#186150, > Ysearch AETEN -------Original Message------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Date: 06/14/14 20:11:21 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq There is much more information to gain from the BigY test I would think. My bigY tree includes only the novel variants. And as of the present no AS2 Has done the BigY. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Ray Jenkins Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:06 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq Obed I haven't tested with Yseq before so it may be a while before I get my test Kit and we get a result. I take it that S5619 was found in the Chromo2 test because it only shows That branch on KN's Chromo chart and not on his BigY chart. I've been debating which of the 2 tests would personally benefit me the most I know they are close in price at the moment but being British (but living In Canada) I am leaning towards the Chromo2 test Thank you. Ray Jenkins -------Original Message------- From: Obed W Odom Date: 06/14/14 19:15:16 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq Ray, if you turn out to be negative for S6277, you might want to test for S5619/FGC3500 at YSEQ. I am negative for S6277 but positive for S5619/FGC3500. It seems that the latter SNP will be positive for Z138+ Z2541- cluster AS1414, but it could be a little upstream of AS1414. Two Members of AS1414, including myself, are known to be positive for S5619/FGC3500, but 2 other Z138+ individuals of unknown cluster were also Shown to be positive for it in the Chromo2 test. On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hi > I just ordered S6277 from Yseq > > Ray Jenkins > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > FTDNA Kit#186150, > Ysearch AETEN > > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7677 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without The quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without The quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I guess there was a typo between my online version and my corrected home version. See update. Indeed a snp should not appear twice. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Obed W Odom Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:40 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq Ray, I am negative for S2293, so I think equating S2293 with S5619 is a typo in Ken's Chromo2 Z58 tree. He probably meant to only put AS2293 parallel to DS5619 rather than having it in 2 places. Is that right, Ken? On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > Thanks Ken > Being a none scientist the way that FTDNA appears to be presenting the > BigY > results is meaningless to the layman. When bigY came out the general > recommendation was it would only be meaningful if someone close to you > also > did the test for comparisons.. > I sent out a few emails at the time to AS2 people but got no response, so > nothing appears to have changed and going by the posts on this site > there's > some frustration with FTDNA. > I took the the S2677 test based on I believe your recommendation a few > months ago and based on what Obed said based on my result it looks like > there may be another choice of S2293 which appears at 2 levels before you > get to S5619. > Guys like me need people like you who are willing to share your knowledge. > You are appreciated > > Thank You > Ray Jenkins > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > > FTDNA Kit#186150, > > Ysearch AETEN > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Date: 06/14/14 20:11:21 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq > > There is much more information to gain from the BigY test I would think. > > My bigY tree includes only the novel variants. And as of the present no > AS2 > Has done the BigY. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Jenkins > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:06 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq > > Obed > I haven't tested with Yseq before so it may be a while before I get my > test > Kit and we get a result. > I take it that S5619 was found in the Chromo2 test because it only shows > That branch on KN's Chromo chart and not on his BigY chart. > I've been debating which of the 2 tests would personally benefit me the > most > > I know they are close in price at the moment but being British (but living > In Canada) I am leaning towards the Chromo2 test > > Thank you. > Ray Jenkins > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Obed W Odom > Date: 06/14/14 19:15:16 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq > > Ray, if you turn out to be negative for S6277, you might want to test for > S5619/FGC3500 at YSEQ. I am negative for S6277 but positive for > S5619/FGC3500. It seems that the latter SNP will be positive for Z138+ > Z2541- cluster AS1414, but it could be a little upstream of AS1414. Two > Members of AS1414, including myself, are known to be positive for > S5619/FGC3500, but 2 other Z138+ individuals of unknown cluster were also > Shown to be positive for it in the Chromo2 test. > > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > > > Hi > > I just ordered S6277 from Yseq > > > > Ray Jenkins > > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > > FTDNA Kit#186150, > > Ysearch AETEN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7677 - Release Date: > > 06/14/14 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > The quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > The quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ray, if you turn out to be negative for S6277, you might want to test for S5619/FGC3500 at YSEQ. I am negative for S6277 but positive for S5619/FGC3500. It seems that the latter SNP will be positive for Z138+ Z2541- cluster AS1414, but it could be a little upstream of AS1414. Two members of AS1414, including myself, are known to be positive for S5619/FGC3500, but 2 other Z138+ individuals of unknown cluster were also shown to be positive for it in the Chromo2 test. On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hi > I just ordered S6277 from Yseq > > Ray Jenkins > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > FTDNA Kit#186150, > Ysearch AETEN > > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7677 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is much more information to gain from the BigY test I would think. My bigY tree includes only the novel variants. And as of the present no AS2 has done the BigY. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Ray Jenkins Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:06 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq Obed I haven't tested with Yseq before so it may be a while before I get my test kit and we get a result. I take it that S5619 was found in the Chromo2 test because it only shows that branch on KN's Chromo chart and not on his BigY chart. I've been debating which of the 2 tests would personally benefit me the most I know they are close in price at the moment but being British (but living in Canada) I am leaning towards the Chromo2 test Thank you. Ray Jenkins -------Original Message------- From: Obed W Odom Date: 06/14/14 19:15:16 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq Ray, if you turn out to be negative for S6277, you might want to test for S5619/FGC3500 at YSEQ. I am negative for S6277 but positive for S5619/FGC3500. It seems that the latter SNP will be positive for Z138+ Z2541- cluster AS1414, but it could be a little upstream of AS1414. Two Members of AS1414, including myself, are known to be positive for S5619/FGC3500, but 2 other Z138+ individuals of unknown cluster were also Shown to be positive for it in the Chromo2 test. On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hi > I just ordered S6277 from Yseq > > Ray Jenkins > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > FTDNA Kit#186150, > Ysearch AETEN > > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7677 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Ken Being a none scientist the way that FTDNA appears to be presenting the BigY results is meaningless to the layman. When bigY came out the general recommendation was it would only be meaningful if someone close to you also did the test for comparisons.. I sent out a few emails at the time to AS2 people but got no response, so nothing appears to have changed and going by the posts on this site there's some frustration with FTDNA. I took the the S2677 test based on I believe your recommendation a few months ago and based on what Obed said based on my result it looks like there may be another choice of S2293 which appears at 2 levels before you get to S5619. Guys like me need people like you who are willing to share your knowledge. You are appreciated Thank You Ray Jenkins I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > FTDNA Kit#186150, > Ysearch AETEN -------Original Message------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Date: 06/14/14 20:11:21 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq There is much more information to gain from the BigY test I would think. My bigY tree includes only the novel variants. And as of the present no AS2 Has done the BigY. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Ray Jenkins Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:06 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq Obed I haven't tested with Yseq before so it may be a while before I get my test Kit and we get a result. I take it that S5619 was found in the Chromo2 test because it only shows That branch on KN's Chromo chart and not on his BigY chart. I've been debating which of the 2 tests would personally benefit me the most I know they are close in price at the moment but being British (but living In Canada) I am leaning towards the Chromo2 test Thank you. Ray Jenkins -------Original Message------- From: Obed W Odom Date: 06/14/14 19:15:16 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq Ray, if you turn out to be negative for S6277, you might want to test for S5619/FGC3500 at YSEQ. I am negative for S6277 but positive for S5619/FGC3500. It seems that the latter SNP will be positive for Z138+ Z2541- cluster AS1414, but it could be a little upstream of AS1414. Two Members of AS1414, including myself, are known to be positive for S5619/FGC3500, but 2 other Z138+ individuals of unknown cluster were also Shown to be positive for it in the Chromo2 test. On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hi > I just ordered S6277 from Yseq > > Ray Jenkins > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > FTDNA Kit#186150, > Ysearch AETEN > > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7677 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without The quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without The quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14

Or look at "Chromo2Z58" It seems S2293 is upstream of S6277 and S2619 is parallel in the tree. Or perhaps you have some results which are different? AS2 is a huge clade. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Obed W Odom Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 8:12 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq Ray, if you turn out to be negative for S6277, you might want to test for S5619/FGC3500 at YSEQ. I am negative for S6277 but positive for S5619/FGC3500. It seems that the latter SNP will be positive for Z138+ Z2541- cluster AS1414, but it could be a little upstream of AS1414. Two members of AS1414, including myself, are known to be positive for S5619/FGC3500, but 2 other Z138+ individuals of unknown cluster were also shown to be positive for it in the Chromo2 test. On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hi > I just ordered S6277 from Yseq > > Ray Jenkins > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > FTDNA Kit#186150, > Ysearch AETEN > > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7677 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Obed I haven't tested with Yseq before so it may be a while before I get my test kit and we get a result. I take it that S5619 was found in the Chromo2 test because it only shows that branch on KN's Chromo chart and not on his BigY chart. I've been debating which of the 2 tests would personally benefit me the most I know they are close in price at the moment but being British (but living in Canada) I am leaning towards the Chromo2 test Thank you. Ray Jenkins -------Original Message------- From: Obed W Odom Date: 06/14/14 19:15:16 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] S6277 at yseq Ray, if you turn out to be negative for S6277, you might want to test for S5619/FGC3500 at YSEQ. I am negative for S6277 but positive for S5619/FGC3500. It seems that the latter SNP will be positive for Z138+ Z2541- cluster AS1414, but it could be a little upstream of AS1414. Two Members of AS1414, including myself, are known to be positive for S5619/FGC3500, but 2 other Z138+ individuals of unknown cluster were also Shown to be positive for it in the Chromo2 test. On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Ray Jenkins <ray-jenkins@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hi > I just ordered S6277 from Yseq > > Ray Jenkins > I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- > FTDNA Kit#186150, > Ysearch AETEN > > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7677 - Release Date: 06/14/14 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7678 - Release Date: 06/14/14

Hi I just ordered S6277 from Yseq Ray Jenkins I1- AS2, Z138+/Z139+ Z2541- FTDNA Kit#186150, Ysearch AETEN ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3480 / Virus Database: 3955/7677 - Release Date: 06/14/14

Kit 331731 has ordered Big-Y. Lindsey

I got both my Yfull analysis and Big Y Matching at Family Tree DNA yesterday and they both found some extra SNPs that do not appear on Ken's BigYtree-P109 slide for Simonds/Symonds (S1 & S2). I just wanted to check and see if this was intentional because perhaps they appear in other haplogroups or are somehow unreliable SNPs? The SNPs are: 22298778210864881590553014626623 Also, one of the SNPs that Ken found (and which Big Y Matching also found) was not identified as a terminal SNP for S1 or S2 by Yfull: 13675607 Anyway, I just wanted to ask what is known about these SNPs? Matthew Simonds

I have added another sector tree for BigY results, “ BigYtree-Z2040” This includes the hefty AS3 clade and some others, mostly Z382+ I have not yet entered the individual persons’ unique snps from BigY; that’s the time consuming part. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

Hi Everyone, I offered my coupon for the BigY to someone but she was in a family crisis and declined. I would still like to help someone who is at least identified as an AS10b in the I1 project. If any are receiving these e-mails let me know quickly. If anyone knows another AS10b please let them know my coupon is available. Richard Reed