I think that does it! This dna has the L147- result, and the 9 at 532, so it makes L623 too much of a long shot I think to do. -----Original Message----- From: Julie Frame Falk Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 3:14 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com ; Y-DNA-Haplogroup I Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] [DNA] Recommended SNP's for M223 Roots andContsubgroups I've ordered L801 for Kit 77830 / YSearch: XX7FG (Cont. 2a). Any other recommendations for him? Julie Falk From: Jørgen K. Kanters It seems that cont1 and cont2a is L801+ but only a few according to the FTDNA website. I know one strange I2b1-X, one roots1 and one cont2c who are negative. It seems to be a marker that defines cont 2a, butfirst when we have seen more results both positive and negative we will know. It is a certain go for cont 2a. From: Aaron Salles Torres > Meanwhile, another brand new SNP has also been proving very useful in > dividing the various Continental subgroups of M223. This SNP was named > L801 > and is also a result of our very successful WTY campaign. It was > originally > found in our WTY participant Rasey, kit # 69631, Cont2a subgroup. WTY > participant Mendes da Silva (kit# 150778, Roots Group 1 - DYS446=8) tested > L801- and L800+. WTY participant Games, who helped us confirm the L623+, > L147.4+ Cont2c subgroup, also tested L800+ and L801-. So far, every Cont > member of M223 (Cont1, Cont2a, etc...) has tested positive for L801. > > [[Not only is Games from Continental found L801-, another M223* from an > outlier clade has tested L801- This latter fellow is from the M223-X > clade > as I call it. I think a number of clades of M223* which peeled off the > tree mainstream early enough will escape the L801 snp. KN]] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aaron I tested L800+ but did not ask for results on L800. You have my WTY results which if I am correct only tested down to L623 which came in positive. My DYS446=10 and Dys531=11 should I ask for the L812? Ralph I2a2a4 Y-Search 2D2CF Kit # 31781 -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Salles Torres Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:16 AM To: ISOGG@yahoogroups.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Recommended SNP's for M223 Roots and Cont subgroups Dear I2b1/M223 Project Members, Results have been scored for our second WTY participant, Mendes da Silva (kit# 150778), who belongs to Roots Group 1 (DYS446=8). A brand new SNP has been discovered and it has been named L812. We have very little information on this SNP as of yet, but a previous Roots WTY participant has presumably tested negative for it (Alfeld, Roots Group 2b - DYS446 = 9, DYS531 = 12). Therefore, L812 is an SNP that can be very useful in dividing the various members of the large Roots subgroup. If you belong to Roots, I urge you to test for L812, which has become recently available for purchase on FT DNA. You may check your Roots assignment at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?vgroup=M223-Y-C lan&vgroup=M223-Y-Clan&section=yresults . To order L812, follow these steps: 1- Log into your FT DNA account 2- Click on "Order tests and upgrades" 3- Click on "Order advanced tests" (note: not "Order advanced SNP tests") 4- Select SNP in the dropdown menu 5- Type the SNP name in the box 6- Add to your basket, place your order Meanwhile, another brand new SNP has also been proving very useful in dividing the various Continental subgroups of M223. This SNP was named L801 and is also a result of our very successful WTY campaign. It was originally found in our WTY participant Rasey, kit # 69631, Cont2a subgroup. WTY participant Mendes da Silva (kit# 150778, Roots Group 1 - DYS446=8) tested L801- and L800+. WTY participant Games, who helped us confirm the L623+, L147.4+ Cont2c subgroup, also tested L800+ and L801-. So far, every Cont member of M223 (Cont1, Cont2a, etc...) has tested positive for L801. Members outside of the Cont subgroups have been testing negative for this new SNP. So if you belong to any of the Cont subgroups, you are highly encouraged to order this test. Steps to order the L801 SNP test are the same as for ordering L812, described above. As a reminder, SNP V218.2 was also discovered in the WTY of Rasey, kit # 69631. Consider ordering V218 as well. As we try to identify the correct position of these new SNP's on the Y phylogenetic tree, everyone's cooperation is very important. So if you belong to the subgroups mentioned above, again, please consider testing for L812, L801 and V218.2. I would also like to take a moment and once again thank every project member who has helped us in our WTY campaign. Several new SNP's have been discovered, which are making it possible for us to have a much deeper understanding of the M223 haplogroup. This success encourages us to send new participants to WTY, and so a second round of generous donations is expected to start soon. No amount is too small: http://bit.ly/I2b1WTY. All credit cards are accepted, as well as PayPal and mail. If the link above for some reason does not work, try: http://www.familytreedna.com/group-general-fund-contribution.aspx?g=I2b1 . Thanks again for your cooperation. Best regards, Aaron Torres I2b1/M223 Project Administrator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I concur on the V218 advice. -----Original Message----- From: Bernie Cullen Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 1:09 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: [yDNAhgI] V218 has been ordered by a I-P37.2 person Someone in the I2a Project has ordered V218, thanks very much to him. Let's wait for his results, right now I don't think we need any additional orders from anyone in haplogroup I. Bernie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Someone in the I2a Project has ordered V218, thanks very much to him. Let's wait for his results, right now I don't think we need any additional orders from anyone in haplogroup I. Bernie

This large and old clade M223-X seems to have escaped all the new snps and remains M223* It is L801-, L623-, and L147- Identifiers for M223-X include 459 = 9,9 446 = 10 437 = 15 456 = 13 390 = 22 464b=13 It seems to have a cousin clade M223-Xaux with 17,19 at YCAIIa,b We need more members of this M223-X to do the full 67 markers. And we have no 68-111 results yet for this clade, and that is a shame. I expect the 68-111 markers to be very unique and phylo-revealing for M223-X

L800 has been found derived in M284 and in Roots as well as all continentals so far. I believe it is upstream far enough to be phyloequivalent to M223 -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:57 AM To: ISOGG@yahoogroups.com ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com ; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Recommended SNP's for M223 Roots and Cont subgroups

-----Original Message----- From: Aaron Salles Torres Meanwhile, another brand new SNP has also been proving very useful in dividing the various Continental subgroups of M223. This SNP was named L801 and is also a result of our very successful WTY campaign. It was originally found in our WTY participant Rasey, kit # 69631, Cont2a subgroup. WTY participant Mendes da Silva (kit# 150778, Roots Group 1 - DYS446=8) tested L801- and L800+. WTY participant Games, who helped us confirm the L623+, L147.4+ Cont2c subgroup, also tested L800+ and L801-. So far, every Cont member of M223 (Cont1, Cont2a, etc...) has tested positive for L801. [[Not only is Games from Continental found L801-, another M223* from an outlier clade has tested L801- This latter fellow is from the M223-X clade as I call it. I think a number of clades of M223* which peeled off the tree mainstream early enough will escape the L801 snp. KN]]

What is currently the status of investigating the new snp L369, downstream of L126 and L137, within M284? Have all Isles-Scottish people tested positive for L369? How have Isles-Limbo people proven to test on L369; are they all positive, all negative, or some positive and some negative? If the last, is there any geographic distribution to who tests how? It must have been a couple of months since one Isles-Limbo person was awaiting results on a test for L369, so surely there are some results? Yours, Dora Smith

I would not agressively pursue the V218 snp yet. It has been found derived in a recent I1 WTY, and Dr Krahn mentioned some time ago that another research group indicated they found V218 derived in I1. So the suspicion is that V218 is derived for all of haplogroup I. Probably best thing to do is find someone from P37+ division of haplogroup I to do V218 and check this suspicion out. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Salles Torres Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:15 AM To: ISOGG@yahoogroups.com ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com ; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Recommended SNP's for M223 Roots and Cont subgroups Dear I2b1/M223 Project Members, Results have been scored for our second WTY participant, Mendes da Silva (kit# 150778), who belongs to Roots Group 1 (DYS446=8). A brand new SNP has been discovered and it has been named L812. We have very little information on this SNP as of yet, but a previous Roots WTY participant has presumably tested negative for it (Alfeld, Roots Group 2b - DYS446 = 9, DYS531 = 12). Therefore, L812 is an SNP that can be very useful in dividing the various members of the large Roots subgroup. If you belong to Roots, I urge you to test for L812, which has become recently available for purchase on FT DNA. You may check your Roots assignment at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?vgroup=M223-Y-Clan&vgroup=M223-Y-Clan&section=yresults . To order L812, follow these steps: 1- Log into your FT DNA account 2- Click on "Order tests and upgrades" 3- Click on "Order advanced tests" (note: not "Order advanced SNP tests") 4- Select SNP in the dropdown menu 5- Type the SNP name in the box 6- Add to your basket, place your order Meanwhile, another brand new SNP has also been proving very useful in dividing the various Continental subgroups of M223. This SNP was named L801 and is also a result of our very successful WTY campaign. It was originally found in our WTY participant Rasey, kit # 69631, Cont2a subgroup. WTY participant Mendes da Silva (kit# 150778, Roots Group 1 - DYS446=8) tested L801- and L800+. WTY participant Games, who helped us confirm the L623+, L147.4+ Cont2c subgroup, also tested L800+ and L801-. So far, every Cont member of M223 (Cont1, Cont2a, etc...) has tested positive for L801. Members outside of the Cont subgroups have been testing negative for this new SNP. So if you belong to any of the Cont subgroups, you are highly encouraged to order this test. Steps to order the L801 SNP test are the same as for ordering L812, described above. As a reminder, SNP V218.2 was also discovered in the WTY of Rasey, kit # 69631. Consider ordering V218 as well. As we try to identify the correct position of these new SNP's on the Y phylogenetic tree, everyone's cooperation is very important. So if you belong to the subgroups mentioned above, again, please consider testing for L812, L801 and V218.2. I would also like to take a moment and once again thank every project member who has helped us in our WTY campaign. Several new SNP's have been discovered, which are making it possible for us to have a much deeper understanding of the M223 haplogroup. This success encourages us to send new participants to WTY, and so a second round of generous donations is expected to start soon. No amount is too small: http://bit.ly/I2b1WTY. All credit cards are accepted, as well as PayPal and mail. If the link above for some reason does not work, try: http://www.familytreedna.com/group-general-fund-contribution.aspx?g=I2b1 . Thanks again for your cooperation. Best regards, Aaron Torres I2b1/M223 Project Administrator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-10-ancient-cooking-pots-reveal-gradual.html Maybe if this line of study takes hold some will not need to try so hard to make ydna tmrcas older than they appear on face value?

Dear I2b1/M223 Project Members, Results have been scored for our second WTY participant, Mendes da Silva (kit# 150778), who belongs to Roots Group 1 (DYS446=8). A brand new SNP has been discovered and it has been named L812. We have very little information on this SNP as of yet, but a previous Roots WTY participant has presumably tested negative for it (Alfeld, Roots Group 2b - DYS446 = 9, DYS531 = 12). Therefore, L812 is an SNP that can be very useful in dividing the various members of the large Roots subgroup. If you belong to Roots, I urge you to test for L812, which has become recently available for purchase on FT DNA. You may check your Roots assignment at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?vgroup=M223-Y-Clan&vgroup=M223-Y-Clan&section=yresults . To order L812, follow these steps: 1- Log into your FT DNA account 2- Click on "Order tests and upgrades" 3- Click on "Order advanced tests" (note: not "Order advanced SNP tests") 4- Select SNP in the dropdown menu 5- Type the SNP name in the box 6- Add to your basket, place your order Meanwhile, another brand new SNP has also been proving very useful in dividing the various Continental subgroups of M223. This SNP was named L801 and is also a result of our very successful WTY campaign. It was originally found in our WTY participant Rasey, kit # 69631, Cont2a subgroup. WTY participant Mendes da Silva (kit# 150778, Roots Group 1 - DYS446=8) tested L801- and L800+. WTY participant Games, who helped us confirm the L623+, L147.4+ Cont2c subgroup, also tested L800+ and L801-. So far, every Cont member of M223 (Cont1, Cont2a, etc...) has tested positive for L801. Members outside of the Cont subgroups have been testing negative for this new SNP. So if you belong to any of the Cont subgroups, you are highly encouraged to order this test. Steps to order the L801 SNP test are the same as for ordering L812, described above. As a reminder, SNP V218.2 was also discovered in the WTY of Rasey, kit # 69631. Consider ordering V218 as well. As we try to identify the correct position of these new SNP's on the Y phylogenetic tree, everyone's cooperation is very important. So if you belong to the subgroups mentioned above, again, please consider testing for L812, L801 and V218.2. I would also like to take a moment and once again thank every project member who has helped us in our WTY campaign. Several new SNP's have been discovered, which are making it possible for us to have a much deeper understanding of the M223 haplogroup. This success encourages us to send new participants to WTY, and so a second round of generous donations is expected to start soon. No amount is too small: http://bit.ly/I2b1WTY. All credit cards are accepted, as well as PayPal and mail. If the link above for some reason does not work, try: http://www.familytreedna.com/group-general-fund-contribution.aspx?g=I2b1 . Thanks again for your cooperation. Best regards, Aaron Torres I2b1/M223 Project Administrator

Your prediction was correct - not on either the V2 or V3 chip. Jim Jim Owston James M. Owston, EdD Dean of Online and Individualized Learning Associate Professor: Communication & Media Mountain State University PO Box 9003 Beckley, WV 25802-9003 304.929.1356 800.766.6167, ext. 1356 ________________________________________ From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt [knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:01 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Zsnps for I1generic and M223+Roots >From Krahn's browser: Z58 = 10457423 Z63 = 12911494 Z131 = 5905252 Doubt they are on 23andMe but if so, let us know. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Owston Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:42 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Zsnps for I1generic and M223+Roots None of these three (Z58, Z63, and Z131) are on the ISOGG SNP page - do we have locations so as to check 23andMe data? Jim Jim Owston James M. Owston, EdD Dean of Online and Individualized Learning Associate Professor: Communication & Media Mountain State University PO Box 9003 Beckley, WV 25802-9003 304.929.1356 800.766.6167, ext. 1356 _________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

None of these three (Z58, Z63, and Z131) are on the ISOGG SNP page - do we have locations so as to check 23andMe data? Jim Jim Owston James M. Owston, EdD Dean of Online and Individualized Learning Associate Professor: Communication & Media Mountain State University PO Box 9003 Beckley, WV 25802-9003 304.929.1356 800.766.6167, ext. 1356 _________________________________

Nor did I see those sites covered on the latest WTY with 371,000 sites of coverage. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Owston Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:25 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Zsnps for I1generic and M223+Roots Your prediction was correct - not on either the V2 or V3 chip. Jim Jim Owston James M. Owston, EdD Dean of Online and Individualized Learning Associate Professor: Communication & Media Mountain State University PO Box 9003 Beckley, WV 25802-9003 304.929.1356 800.766.6167, ext. 1356 ________________________________________ From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt [knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:01 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Zsnps for I1generic and M223+Roots >From Krahn's browser: Z58 = 10457423 Z63 = 12911494 Z131 = 5905252 Doubt they are on 23andMe but if so, let us know. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Owston Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:42 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Zsnps for I1generic and M223+Roots None of these three (Z58, Z63, and Z131) are on the ISOGG SNP page - do we have locations so as to check 23andMe data? Jim Jim Owston James M. Owston, EdD Dean of Online and Individualized Learning Associate Professor: Communication & Media Mountain State University PO Box 9003 Beckley, WV 25802-9003 304.929.1356 800.766.6167, ext. 1356 _________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Krahn's browser: Z58 = 10457423 Z63 = 12911494 Z131 = 5905252 Doubt they are on 23andMe but if so, let us know. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Owston Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:42 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Zsnps for I1generic and M223+Roots None of these three (Z58, Z63, and Z131) are on the ISOGG SNP page - do we have locations so as to check 23andMe data? Jim Jim Owston James M. Owston, EdD Dean of Online and Individualized Learning Associate Professor: Communication & Media Mountain State University PO Box 9003 Beckley, WV 25802-9003 304.929.1356 800.766.6167, ext. 1356 _________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

L137 was reported derived in an I1-uN2 person doing WTY. It shows ancestral in a couple other L22+ people. A person in cousin clade I1-uN9 shows negative for L137 in 23andMe database.

Z58, Z63, and Z131 are "entry" snps that according to 1000 Genomes account for the bulk of I1xL22. They can be ordered from FTDNA under "advanced tests" BELOW "advanced snps". Don't go to latter. We are right now at the mercy of what 1000 Genomes has told us about these three snps. We have no results back yet from identifiable haplotypes. If FTDNA has learned more about them and who is positive and who negative, they have said nothing. I believe they are leaving it up to us to sort that out. While a decent number of I1xL22 folks have ordered one or more of these three I1xL22 snps, strangely the M223+ Roots people have not been ordering L812. L812 was found derived in a Roots person, but it is ancestral in another Roots WTY person. So we know it is within Roots and divides Roots. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Char Hoverder Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 8:04 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Refining I1 AS Generic Are there any snp tests to further refine/define our I1 AS Generic results for kit # 211835 at FTDNA? Where is information about the AS Genreic subgroups? Any hints would be greatly appreciated. Char Hoverder ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't think L802 is worth the gamble. Even L803 may be confined to a clearly identifiable cluster. You might wait to see if anyone busts out of the cluster with a L803+? -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:25 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] L802 and L803 Ken, Does it makes sense to order L802 and L803 tests for the subclade I1-ASP (I1-P)? Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And what about Z58, 63, 131 in the context of I-ASP? -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt [mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 10:32 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L802 and L803 I don't think L802 is worth the gamble. Even L803 may be confined to a clearly identifiable cluster. You might wait to see if anyone busts out of the cluster with a L803+? -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 3:25 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] L802 and L803 Ken, Does it makes sense to order L802 and L803 tests for the subclade I1-ASP (I1-P)? Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken <<He's an outlier from what? Looks like part of the family to me?>> Probably your term vs. mine. So yes, those Frame As as a group are no doubt part of one family - while within the group I see many disparate lines that I am still trying to figure. In my terms, he's an 'outlier' from the Frame A modal, one of a couple who are about 10 or 12 from the 111-marker modal and 18 or 19 from each other. He's English and not paper trail linked with any other Frame in the project. He's the only Frame believed to have always been English - the others all appear to have Scottish roots. <<Also, what leads you to conclude L803 may be isolated to I1 mavericks? Do you have some L803 negatives?>> Yes...Some advised here on the List. If I recall correctly: Diana mentioned Straub L803- Roy Sliven (apologies if spelling incorrect - no time to go find the message again). L803- Through the I1 YCAIIa,b=21,21 Project I know: Ingham (Kit 83351) L803- Through another forum: Hamilton B L803- We still have other L803 results pending including the other Frame A 'outlier'. These two are my 'measuring sticks' - I always test a participant with the modal and these ones who are the most distant. After all these years, I may need to change to another name for them if it causes confusion - 'flanks', 'outsiders' ? Argh! Old habits die hard! Julie Frame Falk From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 9:43 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] [DNA] Catching L802 within a genalogical family? He's an outlier from what? Looks like part of the family to me? Also, what leads you to conclude L803 may be isolated to I1 mavericks? Do you have some L803 negatives? Ken -----Original Message----- From: Julie Frame Falk Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 4:27 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] [DNA] Catching L802 within a genalogical family? Ken This outlier is YSearch: 4G8B9. He is the first line on the spreadsheet: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32097634/FRAME%20RESULTS%20%20UPDATE.xls He has a GD of about 18 over 111 markers from the other Frame A outlier that we are still awaiting the results for at L803. L802 and L803 are both negative for Frame B / Hamilton B. It's beginning to look like L803 may be isolated to the I1-Mavericks of the Frame A, Scruggs, Hamilton C etc. surnames. Will know more when the other outlier result is back. He is YSearch GT2D7 and F03 in the Frame A x DYS443=20-25 subgroup on the spreadsheet. Regards Julie Frame Falk From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 2:00 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] [DNA] Catching L802 within a genalogical family? Can you identify better this outlier who you said also is L803+ Project kit number? Ysearch? -----Original Message----- From: Julie Frame Falk Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:49 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] [DNA] Catching L802 within a genalogical family? Diana, All L803 is positive in some I1-Mavericks including Scruggs, Hamilton C and some Frame As including one of the outliers (English). Still waiting to see if it extends beyond this cluster. I know one Iberian DNA-cousin is still waiting for his L803 result in Batch 435 and there are some others in Batch 436. L802 appears as if it is going to be isolated to one Frame A patriarch - as private as can be - but we are testing further to see where L802 happened in this tree. Regards Julie Frame Falk <From: Diana Matthiesen Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 1:13 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] [DNA] Catching L802 within a genalogical family? Results have returned for my I1-AS5 (L592+) STRAUB cousin: he is negative for both L802 and L803. Diana> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message