I suspect the reason they are not highlighted is that they were not "discoveries" in the test subject; they had been "discovered" elsewhere in the tree in other earlier tests. That does not diminish their potential usefulness, however. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Salles Torres Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:35 AM To: ISOGG@yahoogroups.com ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com ; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNP's overlooked in WTY? Dear List, While analyzing the WTY score for kit# 150778 on Finch2, I found at least a couple SNP's, which were not highlighted in the results but that seem promising to the M223+ community. The individual mentioned above tested positive for these SNP's, whereas other M223+ WTY participants tested negative for them. They are: L319 - positive in Roots WTY participant (kit# 150778, L812+), negative in two other M223 WTY participants (kit#s 31781, L623+/L147.4+ and 69631, L801+) - and presumably negative for kit# 95338 (Roots). L380 - positive in Roots WTY participant (kit# 150778, L812+), negative in M223 WTY participant kit# 31781 (L623+/L147.4+) - presumably negative for kit# 69631 ( L801+), not covered in WTY of kit# 95338 (Roots). The reason these SNP's were not highlighted in the WTY results for kit# 150778 is unknown. WTY scores should be reviewed by haplogroup project administrators - with each + result being individually compared to all other WTY participants from a given haplogroup. Aaron Torres ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, While analyzing the WTY score for kit# 150778 on Finch2, I found at least a couple SNP's, which were not highlighted in the results but that seem promising to the M223+ community. The individual mentioned above tested positive for these SNP's, whereas other M223+ WTY participants tested negative for them. They are: L319 - positive in Roots WTY participant (kit# 150778, L812+), negative in two other M223 WTY participants (kit#s 31781, L623+/L147.4+ and 69631, L801+) - and presumably negative for kit# 95338 (Roots). L380 - positive in Roots WTY participant (kit# 150778, L812+), negative in M223 WTY participant kit# 31781 (L623+/L147.4+) - presumably negative for kit# 69631 ( L801+), not covered in WTY of kit# 95338 (Roots). The reason these SNP's were not highlighted in the WTY results for kit# 150778 is unknown. WTY scores should be reviewed by haplogroup project administrators - with each + result being individually compared to all other WTY participants from a given haplogroup. Aaron Torres

Patrick Your autosomal results file Bob DNA Project I2*, ISOGG new I2b, I2c HG & Tyler Surname and ISOGG YTree A Fair Deal for Members of the Defence and Ex Service Community. The march to CANBERRA has begun. Will YOU join us? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lambeth@tadaust.org.au Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:38 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Stanford's Interpretome Tool Hi Arron, Stanford ask for the genome. FTDNA have a copy of my gedcom file. Where is the genome in FTDNA ? Patrick On 11/12/2011 1:45 PM, Aaron Hill wrote: > Aaron Casillas posted the following link on the I1 Group Facebook page. > > "For those of you who have take Autosomal dna tests with FTDNA, I highly recommend using Stanford's Interpretome tool! It's been simply amazing...Way beyond the analysis that FTDNA gave me..." > > http://esquilax.stanford.edu/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Arron, Stanford ask for the genome. FTDNA have a copy of my gedcom file. Where is the genome in FTDNA ? Patrick On 11/12/2011 1:45 PM, Aaron Hill wrote: > Aaron Casillas posted the following link on the I1 Group Facebook page. > > "For those of you who have take Autosomal dna tests with FTDNA, I highly recommend using Stanford's Interpretome tool! It's been simply amazing...Way beyond the analysis that FTDNA gave me..." > > http://esquilax.stanford.edu/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, Gary Thanks for letting us know. Hopefully, we will soon have more conclusive information about L812, L801, etc... In any case, I believe that we already have sufficient reasons to start requesting that FT DNA consider reconfiguring its "Deep Clade" package for M223. Thanks again, Aaron Torres Friday, November 11, 2011 11:24 AM From: "Gary Felix" <garyf@pacbell.net> To: ISOGG@yahoogroups.com, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com, y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.comHello Aaron & Everyone, I am DYS446=8 Ysearch ID TQ2DX http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp?uid=TQ2DX&viewuid=TQ2DX&p=1   I tested Negative for L812   Gary Mexico DNA Project Admin.

Patrick simply download the raw file, then convert it to a .txt file format. Then upload your file to the tool... ________________________________ From: Bob May <tpibob@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Stanford's Interpretome Tool Patrick Your autosomal results file Bob DNA Project I2*, ISOGG new I2b, I2c HG & Tyler Surname and ISOGG YTree  A Fair Deal for Members of the Defence and Ex Service Community. The march to CANBERRA has begun. Will YOU join us? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lambeth@tadaust.org.au Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:38 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Stanford's Interpretome Tool Hi Arron, Stanford ask for the genome. FTDNA have a copy of my gedcom file. Where is the genome in FTDNA ? Patrick On 11/12/2011 1:45 PM, Aaron Hill wrote: > Aaron Casillas posted the following link on the I1 Group Facebook page. > > "For those of you who have take Autosomal dna tests with FTDNA, I highly recommend using Stanford's Interpretome tool! It's been simply amazing...Way beyond the analysis that FTDNA gave me..." > > http://esquilax.stanford.edu/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am a boring Kittler 14/13 You did not see my DYS487 = 13, 388 = 15, very high 449, 9 at 460. Only other Z139+ at the moment are the AS2 folks. My haplotype has nothing to do with AS2 other than sharing the Z139+ My closest matches consist of a huge British Isles family, tmrca with me of 1200 years ago with generous sigma. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:56 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L338+/Z63+ Interclade Age Ken's Y Search entry is 7W8HP. (Only one Nordtvedt in there, it's from Norway, and he's the contact person.) Values of DYS 19 (15), DYS 385 (13,15), and DYS 456 (16) jump right out at me; they've all got to be somewhat unusual, atleast in I1-AS generic. Ken, what's the Kittler order? I know you had that done. Can our researcher perhaps match it against the small group of haplotypes from which he concluded that some of the Z58+ haplotypes matched AS2 and AS5? Also, does anyone know if the other Z139+ people might have had Norse ancestry? Particularly if Z138/139+ is relatively unusual, maybe it branched off on its way to Norway. Dora -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:15 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L338+/Z63+ Interclade Age T2, AS1, AS8, etc. have had clade names for years. I have no plans to change them. I think the AS1/AS8 L338+ was given the formal haplogroup name of I1f, and T2 Z63+ is probably I1h Who got I1g slips me at the moment. These clades were never part of I1ASgeneric. I am of I1ASgeneric, and I spun off last night as Z139+ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I ordered Z138. Kit 154151, y-search MUZGY, I1 Project AS9b (AS16 @Nordtvedt) Z58+ P38+ P212+ M253+ L578+ L41+ Z63- Z140- Z139- Z131- Also, Diana, thanks for the your effort in presenting those HG I values on your webpages. Thanks, Roy Roy Silfven rsilfven@bendcable.com

I have just ordered the 3 SNPs you suggest for kit #192491--we are AS4 clade and origin is Wales--surname Meredith. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com>; <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: [yDNAhgI] Wales AS4 and the Z SNPs >I see no one yet from the I1-AS4 clade, strongly connected with Wales, >doing a Z58/Z63/Z131 test? > > Also, the I1-ML and the I1-mavericks are unknown on these new “entry” Z > snps for I1xL22 > > Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see no one yet from the I1-AS4 clade, strongly connected with Wales, doing a Z58/Z63/Z131 test? Also, the I1-ML and the I1-mavericks are unknown on these new “entry” Z snps for I1xL22 Ken

There is another healthy clade of I1xL22 with definite eastern Europe tendencies --- I1-EE 426=10 is the biggy 389 = 12/29 447 = 22 464 = 12,14,14,15 442 = 13 444 = 14 How about some Z58,Z63,Z131 tests for the clade? How about more 38-67 haplotype upgrades. Really how about some 68-111 upgrades? Two clades with eastern Europe tendencies have already escaped the Z58+ juggernaut --- I1-P and I1-T2

Aaron Casillas posted the following link on the I1 Group Facebook page. "For those of you who have take Autosomal dna tests with FTDNA, I highly recommend using Stanford's Interpretome tool! It's been simply amazing...Way beyond the analysis that FTDNA gave me..." http://esquilax.stanford.edu/

________T2_____Z63_________ ___________I1-P_____________| _____AS1__L338_ | __________ AS3_|_____Z58____|_____ _______AS2__Z139__| Testing’s very early tree structure with Z SNPs and major clades

The primary purpose of my page was to put the markers in FTDNA order because Ken had them in numerical order in his spreadsheet, which made them difficult for FTDNA project admins and members to use them. Once Ken took his spreadsheet offline, my table became increasingly out-of-date. I had intended to take the page offline, eventually, but I got some criticism for its being out of date, so I decided to be done with it. In fact, now that the Haplogroup I project is subgrouping members by Ken's clusters and you can get the modals from the table, already in FTDNA marker order, there is really no further need for my table, especially as my table was 67+9 markers, not 111. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_I1/default.aspx?section=ycolo rized Considering how much work it would have been to convert the 67+9 chart to 111 markers, and how much more difficult it would be to keep up to date - because now it's not just a matter of copying the values from Ken's spreadsheet - I decided I just wasn't willing to spend the time and effort needed to keep the table up-to-date. Sorry. Diana > From: Bernie Cullen > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 1:01 PM > > Diana created a very useful page with Ken's modals but most > of the page is now blank for me: > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/Hg-I-subclades-FTDNA-order.html > > I know Diana's page and Ken's excel file which she based her > page on are both outdated, but I still think they are useful. > Is there any place to find the modals currently? > > Bernie

Earlier today I found I1 Z58+ AS1 clade having an interclade node age with I1 Z63+ T2 clade of 4150 years. I find an interclade node age of the latter with I1-P Z63- Z58- clade being 4300 years.

What names are you giving these new subhaplogroups of I1xL22 (aka) HgI1 (M253) AS-generic ? On 11/11/2011 11:59 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > L338+ which consists of robust clades AS1 and AS8, and Z63+ which consists of the robust clade T2 are both now established subhaplogroups of I1xL22 > > An interclade node age estimate for the two clades’ MRCA yields 4150 years. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is also Z382; it is downstream from Z59, parallel to Z60. Is this available yet? Family Tree DNA just told me that Z60 and Z61 are not. Dora -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:28 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] What Next I think you could do Z138. Only one generic did Z138 and came out ancestral 1000 Genomes is not sure it is phyloequiv to Z139 Then we wait for some of the additional Z series snps recommended for I1xL22 --- DF29 upstream, and several downstream. Ken

I am Z58+ and Z138-. I have ordered Z139 to help in determining whether Z138 & Z139 are equivalent. Duncan (Ysearch RVKNK) -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: 11 November 2011 02:05 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] z test results back please help interpret I guess I'll do Z138 then to see what's what. I'm Z139+ One fellow today did Z138 instead of Z139. He was negative. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:46 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] z test results back please help interpret Just wanted to mention: Although Z138 and Z139 are expected to be approximately equivalent, this is based on only two derived samples for each from the 1000 Genomes Project, so one could be upstream of the other. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Almost all I1xL22, including outliers, are Z58+ so far. Only I1-T2 > clade has broken away, being Z63+ Z58- instead. > Those many who tested Z58+ are a broad selection of I1xL22. > > What do Z58+ folks do now? Test Z139 and Z140, although Z138 will do > as well as Z139. > These snps are downstream of Z58+ > > Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4609 - Release Date: 11/10/11

Ken's Y Search entry is 7W8HP. (Only one Nordtvedt in there, it's from Norway, and he's the contact person.) Values of DYS 19 (15), DYS 385 (13,15), and DYS 456 (16) jump right out at me; they've all got to be somewhat unusual, atleast in I1-AS generic. Ken, what's the Kittler order? I know you had that done. Can our researcher perhaps match it against the small group of haplotypes from which he concluded that some of the Z58+ haplotypes matched AS2 and AS5? Also, does anyone know if the other Z139+ people might have had Norse ancestry? Particularly if Z138/139+ is relatively unusual, maybe it branched off on its way to Norway. Dora -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:15 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L338+/Z63+ Interclade Age T2, AS1, AS8, etc. have had clade names for years. I have no plans to change them. I think the AS1/AS8 L338+ was given the formal haplogroup name of I1f, and T2 Z63+ is probably I1h Who got I1g slips me at the moment. These clades were never part of I1ASgeneric. I am of I1ASgeneric, and I spun off last night as Z139+

FTDNA Kit# 160188 and YSearch ID EYVZS is Z63- -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new!