To recap, Greg Magoon and others searched the publicly available 1000 Genomes data and found three samples that were I-L160. I-L160 is the largest subgroup of I-M26 which has been called "Sardinian". Two of the 1000 Genomes samples (from Puerto Rico)shared 34 SNPs not found in the third person (from Colombia). The 34 SNPs were given the names Z97 to Z130, you can see Greg's tree here (if he has a more recent version I don't know about it): http://www.box.com/shared/0qocc23yx2pfmikss6sh Family Tree DNA has made 14 of the 34 available for testing and several people in I-L160 have tested varying numbers of them. We have enough results to draw up the tree below which includes 11 Z-SNPs. The remaining 3 (Z115, Z126, Z127) might be equivalent to Z118 or to Z106, we are waiting for more results. (Eventually we might find out that some of these SNPs aren't really equivalent to each other and we will have to add more levels to the tree). If the tree is garbled in your email, try looking in the archives for this message: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I/2011-11 L160-+---------------------------------------------------I2a1b* | +-Z118,Z119,Z125-+----------------------------------I2a1b1* | +-Z106,Z109,Z112,Z124-+------------I2ab1a* | +-Z110,Z117 Z128,Z129--I2a1b1a1 No FTDNA customers are in the I2a1b1a1 group, those SNPs were found in the two samples from the 1000 Genomes but in no one else so far. I2a1b1a* (Z106+ etc.) includes about 30-40% of I-L160 from Spain and a much smaller percent from England/Northern Europe. I2a1b1* (Z128+ etc. but Z106- etc.) contains only one person right now, his ancestors are from western Germany. I2a1b* (ancestral for everything below L160) is still the largest group in all of I-M26 I believe. Bernie Cullen I2a Project at FTDNA
Nothing to try at the moment. Another from your 531=12 clade did L812- You are basic M223* still. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Gammage Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 2:06 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Test Results - Ian Gammage Kit 27192 Ken and Aaron. My latest test results are in: L623 - L387 - L216 - L147.1 - This now gives me: P19 +, M223 +, P95 -, P78 -, M379 -, M284 -, L623 -, L387 -, L216 -, L147.1 -, P214 to 223 -, S117 to 119 +. Also Ken you have my 23andMe plus FTDNA 111 markers. I hope this helps with your considerations though i am not sure where I sit in the tree now. With these results do you you suggest i try anything else at this stage? Best wishes, Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello All New SNP results for Kit 64529 - Ysearch X7P3B Z58+ Z63- Z131- SNP lineup now: Z58+ M253+ L803+ L802+ Z63- Z131- P259- M72- M227- M21- L573- L338- L22- Regards Julie Frame Falk
dribble, dribble -----Original Message----- From: Wim Callewaert Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:04 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com ; 'Victor Jensen' Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] FTDNA SNP results Z131- Y-search: QG86J Wim -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Wim Callewaert [mailto:callmewimpy@telenet.be] Verzonden: donderdag 17 november 2011 12:57 Aan: 'Victor Jensen'; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [yDNAhgI] FTDNA SNP results My results: Z63-, Z139-, Z140-; still waiting on Z131 I didn't test Z58 Y-search: QG86J Wim -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Victor Jensen [mailto:2049507@earthlink.net] Verzonden: donderdag 17 november 2011 1:35 Aan: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: [yDNAhgI] FTDNA SNP results My FTDNA SNP results: Z58+, Z140-, Z139- Vic Jensen Y Search-DM35M ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Using a sample of over two thousand STR haplotypes of people belonging to y-Haplogroups I1 and I2, I have constructed a tree of how those STR haplotypes are organised. Due to the randomness of mutations, such an STR tree is not expected to be exactly the same thing as the real genealogy. But it is a useful approximation. For the I1 and I2 Tree see the "UPDATE7: y-Haplogroups I1 and I2 Tree" section near the bottom of http://www.goggo.com/terry/HaplogroupI1/ That section includes a high-resolution PDF file of the reconstructed I1 and I2 Tree, plus a medium resolution image. Terry
Ken, thanks for advice. I ordered L380 tonight. =Taras= ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: T T <enskada@yahoo.com>; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L380 for BASIC I1d Because you have such an unusual L22+, I would suggest the L380 test. Ken -----Original Message----- From: T T Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:17 AM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] L380 for BASIC I1d Hello Ken, Can you please check, if I'm a right person for L380 test as a basic I1d? FTDNA kit: N93850 Y-search: TEKVZ Thanks, Taras ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:34 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] L380 for BASIC I1d A snp L380, in the FTDNA catalog, has been found derived in an I1d1 P109+ and in a uN2 I1d which actually now has its own downstream snp. I see two more tests ordered, but for another P109+ and another uN2 I1d. That’s fine for confirming the first observations. But we need a basic garden variety I1d L22+ not part of those two clade/haplogroups to order L380. We want to find how widespread is L380. Perhaps a Bothnian I1d3 should test L380? I see about 10 I1xL22 negative for L380. So L380 seems to have happened just before or just after L22 on some branch line. I hope we can find a difference between L380 and L22. Ken ________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Previously found Z-58 +, just received Z-138-, Z-140 - . No more new SNP's available, at this time ? Y Search 2F5KC
My results: Z63-, Z139-, Z140-; still waiting on Z131 I didn't test Z58 Y-search: QG86J Wim -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Victor Jensen [mailto:2049507@earthlink.net] Verzonden: donderdag 17 november 2011 1:35 Aan: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: [yDNAhgI] FTDNA SNP results My FTDNA SNP results: Z58+, Z140-, Z139- Vic Jensen Y Search-DM35M
Because you have such an unusual L22+, I would suggest the L380 test. Ken -----Original Message----- From: T T Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:17 AM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] L380 for BASIC I1d Hello Ken, Can you please check, if I'm a right person for L380 test as a basic I1d? FTDNA kit: N93850 Y-search: TEKVZ Thanks, Taras ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:34 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] L380 for BASIC I1d A snp L380, in the FTDNA catalog, has been found derived in an I1d1 P109+ and in a uN2 I1d which actually now has its own downstream snp. I see two more tests ordered, but for another P109+ and another uN2 I1d. That’s fine for confirming the first observations. But we need a basic garden variety I1d L22+ not part of those two clade/haplogroups to order L380. We want to find how widespread is L380. Perhaps a Bothnian I1d3 should test L380? I see about 10 I1xL22 negative for L380. So L380 seems to have happened just before or just after L22 on some branch line. I hope we can find a difference between L380 and L22. Ken ________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Ken, Can you please check, if I'm a right person for L380 test as a basic I1d? FTDNA kit: N93850 Y-search: TEKVZ Thanks, Taras ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:34 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] L380 for BASIC I1d A snp L380, in the FTDNA catalog, has been found derived in an I1d1 P109+ and in a uN2 I1d which actually now has its own downstream snp. I see two more tests ordered, but for another P109+ and another uN2 I1d. That’s fine for confirming the first observations. But we need a basic garden variety I1d L22+ not part of those two clade/haplogroups to order L380. We want to find how widespread is L380. Perhaps a Bothnian I1d3 should test L380? I see about 10 I1xL22 negative for L380. So L380 seems to have happened just before or just after L22 on some branch line. I hope we can find a difference between L380 and L22. Ken ________________________________
Pending lab results test est date batch L840 01/02/2012 439 Gary
FTDNA reports my L801 SNP result as derived (L801+). FTDNA Kit = 107147 ySearch ID = XWDDV Tested SNP's = L801+ L137- L126- Tested DYS385a/b (Kittler)= 16-15
Regarding the growing group of L801+ it now includes kits from both cont2b P95- and P95+. H.Styri
My FTDNA SNP results: Z58+, Z140-, Z139- Vic Jensen Y Search-DM35M
A snp L380, in the FTDNA catalog, has been found derived in an I1d1 P109+ and in a uN2 I1d which actually now has its own downstream snp. I see two more tests ordered, but for another P109+ and another uN2 I1d. That’s fine for confirming the first observations. But we need a basic garden variety I1d L22+ not part of those two clade/haplogroups to order L380. We want to find how widespread is L380. Perhaps a Bothnian I1d3 should test L380? I see about 10 I1xL22 negative for L380. So L380 seems to have happened just before or just after L22 on some branch line. I hope we can find a difference between L380 and L22. Ken
That was to be expected, once L801+ became ubiquitous among the young Continentals. -----Original Message----- From: Haakon Styri Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:58 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNP's overlooked in WTY? Regarding the growing group of L801+ it now includes kits from both cont2b P95- and P95+. H.Styri ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
As L380 was announced as a "breakthrough SNP" to the M223 project I guess some test orders have been placed already. We'll at least find out whether L380 is useful or not. H. Styri > From: John O'Grady [john_ogrady@hotmail.com] > Sent: 2011-11-13 23:51:39 MET > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com, y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] [DNA] SNP's overlooked in WTY? > > > This is a VERY "nervous" SNP. According to Finch2, it is derived (A+) for E-M34, N-M178, R-M417, R-P312, I-M223, I-L22, L-M61, and J-P58. > > John O'Grady > > > From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:44:25 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [DNA] [yDNAhgI] SNP's overlooked in WTY? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John O'Grady > > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 2:33 PM > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DNA] [yDNAhgI] SNP's overlooked in WTY? > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > I read the WTY chromats on Finch2. Kit 95338 is L319-. Kit 69631 is L380+. > > > > [[This is getting interesting. L380+ is being called derived for two I1d, > > negative for 7 I1xL22, negative in I2*, negative in M26+ and Dinaric, > > negative in a L623+ part of M223+ > > > > I wonder if there was a switch in the calling rule for derived at some point > > in the lab? Is A+ derived in all instances? KN ]] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Please stop sending messages on this topic. This thread is closed. -- Aaron
Ken did not make this request. It was Kent Bishop. I am closing this thread. Just please be attentive to the subject line. Aaron
I agree with Dora that posting the SNPs in the subject line makes the most sense. I always end up searching my yDNAhgI email messages for L338+ to find the latest information about that branch of I1 anyway. Sean On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> wrote: > There's a problem with this suggestion. Noone any longer knows what I2a > and > I2b1 mean. It makes more sense to post the SNP's in the subject line. > Those following them know what they mean, or catch up with them in short > order. > > Dora > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Hill > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:36 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA Haplotype in Subject Line, Please > > Obviously it will be difficult to do and police, so it is just a > recommendation and reminder to create well-written, succinct subject lines. > Other than that, I am not too worried about it. There's only so much folks > can do. > > -- Aaron, List Administrator > > --- On Mon, 14/11/11, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > Unfortunately, I don't have time to follow haplotypes other > > than I2a, and I > > don't know which SNPs are in I1, I2a, I2b1, etc. > > > > Could you please place in the subject line the haplotypes > > involved? That > > way I (and others like me in I2a) could delete those that > > don't say, "I2a"? > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >