P.P.S. They said the results would be back in a "few days," so I guess they give these tests priority. Diana > From: Diana Matthiesen > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:42 PM > > P.S. I contacted FTDNA, and they are going to give #69631 > gratis L801 and L380 tests, so the results will appear on > the public SNP page. Hope this helps...
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Hi Ken Any reason for not including L205 and L300 in your tree? Both SNPs are proven downstream of L22 - I think. Ole On Tue, November 29, 2011 22:34, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > Because of the fast breaking developments in I1 due to the Z series snps, I have put up a tree for I1 at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > âTree for I1â > > This will be updated from time to time as information is developing rapidly. > > > > Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message
Loud and Clear. -----Original Message----- From: patrick Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:25 PM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] connected Please let me know if I am subscribed to this list ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
P.S. I contacted FTDNA, and they are going to give #69631 gratis L801 and L380 tests, so the results will appear on the public SNP page. Hope this helps... Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna- > haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Haakon Styri > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:44 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L380 in Rasey Project > > Looking at the M223 project, nine of the L380 tests are back and all > are L380-. That includes kit #70816 RAZEE (and five other > continentals). > > As kit #69631 RASEY apparently got his L380+ from the WTY and not > the advanced snp tests, this L380+ is not listed in the table. > > H.Styri > > > > From: Diana Matthiesen [Diana@danishdemes.org] > > Sent: 2011-11-29 22:55:24 MET > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] L380 in Rasey Project > > > > L380 has just returned for the second member of my Rasey project. > > Their results are now, > > > > RAZEE #70816 Continental-1: L801+ L380- > > > > RASEY #69631 Continental-2a: L801+ L380+ > > > > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Rasey/RaseyDNA-results.html#data > > > > Diana
It appears that KN will manage to stay busy in the future: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/business/dna-sequencing-caught-in-deluge-of-data.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2 -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new!
I am not sure I have any Z series snp information for L205 and L300 subhaplogroups? Do you know of any results yet? -----Original Message----- From: Ole Selmer Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:54 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Tree for I1 with new Z snps Hi Ken Any reason for not including L205 and L300 in your tree? Both SNPs are proven downstream of L22 - I think. Ole On Tue, November 29, 2011 22:34, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > Because of the fast breaking developments in I1 due to the Z series snps, > I have put up a tree for I1 at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > “Tree for I1†> > This will be updated from time to time as information is developing > rapidly. > > > > Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Attention Administrator. Please note that my new email address is : path131@optusnet.com.au Thank you Patrick Holland.
The field of genomics is caught in a data deluge. DNA sequencing is becoming faster and cheaper at a pace far outstripping Moore’s law, which describes the rate at which computing gets faster and cheaper. The result is that the ability to determine DNA sequences is starting to outrun the ability of researchers to store, transmit and especially to analyze the data. “Data handling is now the bottleneck,” said David Haussler, director of the center for biomolecular science and engineering at the University of California, Santa Cruz. “It costs more to analyze a genome than to sequence a genome.” http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/business/dna-sequencing-caught-in-deluge-of-data.html
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> From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:36 PM > <snip> > > One of my big interests in the z-series tree is to help > figure out the relationships between the robust and > long ago identified clades such as AS1, AS2, ........ > T2, I1-P, EE, ML, ....... I just ordered these SNPs for my I1-L338 AS1 THOMPSON cousin: L140, Z58, Z63, Z131, Z138, Z139 Would it be helpful to have my AS5 STRAUB or AS2 CORBIN take them? Diana
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Outlier reaches this time of year are reached by dog sled. -----Original Message----- From: Car Low Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:51 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Where is Z131+ ? I'm in there waiting results on the Z131, Z58 and Z62.... before I banish my husband to the extreme outlier region. Where is that, by the way? Does Southwest fly there? I've got some miles saved up......... ;-) Carolyn Lowe ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 3:53 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] Where is Z131+ ? If you look at the “Tree for I1” file at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net (1 December 2011 version) you will see that I1 tree branch having Z131+ has not been found yet in FTDNA tests. But incorporating the 1000 Genomes view that Z131+ haplotypes exist, and probably fit into the tree upstream of a yet to be cataloged DF29 snp, one concludes any Z131+ haplotypes will be real outliers with lots of differences from the bulk of I1 haplotypes. If you have a extreme outlier I1 haplotype, you might consider testing for Z131, and probably Z58 and Z63 just to be safe you find a niche. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I'm in there waiting results on the Z131, Z58 and Z62.... before I banish my husband to the extreme outlier region. Where is that, by the way? Does Southwest fly there? I've got some miles saved up......... ;-) Carolyn Lowe ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 3:53 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] Where is Z131+ ? If you look at the “Tree for I1” file at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net (1 December 2011 version) you will see that I1 tree branch having Z131+ has not been found yet in FTDNA tests. But incorporating the 1000 Genomes view that Z131+ haplotypes exist, and probably fit into the tree upstream of a yet to be cataloged DF29 snp, one concludes any Z131+ haplotypes will be real outliers with lots of differences from the bulk of I1 haplotypes. If you have a extreme outlier I1 haplotype, you might consider testing for Z131, and probably Z58 and Z63 just to be safe you find a niche. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Yes, that's correct. We picked up the value of L380+ on his WTY. I'll ask FTDNA to add this SNP to his public display. When I requested the same for my I1-AS5 cousin who discovered L592, what they did was give him a gratis test for that marker. Their computer program must be pretty rigid to not allow manual entry of the value. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna- > haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Haakon Styri > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:44 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L380 in Rasey Project > > Looking at the M223 project, nine of the L380 tests are back and all > are L380-. That includes kit #70816 RAZEE (and five other > continentals). > > As kit #69631 RASEY apparently got his L380+ from the WTY and not > the advanced snp tests, this L380+ is not listed in the table. > > H.Styri >
It's just the surname similarity that puts them in my project. They have no paper connection, and their GD is 36 at 111 markers. Diana > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:14 AM > > Are these people known by paper to be related recently? > Or is it just a surname similarity which puts them in > the same project? > >> From: Diana Matthiesen >> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 2:55 PM >> >> L380 has just returned for the second member of my >> Rasey project. Their results are now, >> >> RAZEE #70816 Continental-1: L801+ L380- >> >> RASEY #69631 Continental-2a: L801+ L380+ >> >> http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Rasey/RaseyDNA-results.html#data
If you look at the “Tree for I1” file at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net (1 December 2011 version) you will see that I1 tree branch having Z131+ has not been found yet in FTDNA tests. But incorporating the 1000 Genomes view that Z131+ haplotypes exist, and probably fit into the tree upstream of a yet to be cataloged DF29 snp, one concludes any Z131+ haplotypes will be real outliers with lots of differences from the bulk of I1 haplotypes. If you have a extreme outlier I1 haplotype, you might consider testing for Z131, and probably Z58 and Z63 just to be safe you find a niche.
Looking at the M223 project, nine of the L380 tests are back and all are L380-. That includes kit #70816 RAZEE (and five other continentals). As kit #69631 RASEY apparently got his L380+ from the WTY and not the advanced snp tests, this L380+ is not listed in the table. H.Styri > From: Diana Matthiesen [Diana@danishdemes.org] > Sent: 2011-11-29 22:55:24 MET > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] L380 in Rasey Project > > L380 has just returned for the second member of my Rasey project. > Their results are now, > > RAZEE #70816 Continental-1: L801+ L380- > > RASEY #69631 Continental-2a: L801+ L380+ > > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Rasey/RaseyDNA-results.html#data > > Diana > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I assume that as these splits occur, that those of us left in I1-ASgen will become a smaller group. If so, it seems that will also have a value. -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new!
The I1 STR Decision Tree was updated a little while ago to better handle some otherwise mis-classified people. There are 2 or 3 percent of I1 people that have the mutation DYS459a=7, and that multi-copy marker was not included in the hierarchical clustering analysis I did. If it were included, then those DYS459a=7 people would form a separate cluster and be placed in a separate branch of the I1 STR Decision Tree given at http://www.goggo.com/terry/HaplogroupI1/ . So there really should be a separate DYS459a=7 versus DYS459a=8 decision point at the early stage of the I1 STR Decision Tree. Rather than rework the Decision Tree to accommodate those 2 or 3 percent of affected people, I have thought it better to keep the tree the same, and just make a note that DYS459a=7 people should be excluded from I1-"BA*". In summary, DYS459a=7, forms it own separate clan/cluster within the I1 STR Decision Tree. The peak density of such people is centred around Poland. And that clan/cluster is associated with the Z63+ SNP mutation. Terry PS. Note the above message is a repost of a message I sent a few minutes ago under a different subject heading.