Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt [mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:17 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Tree for I1 with new Z snps That sure is interesting to find another one negative for all three. But by itself it is not what makes someone generic or non-generic. "generic" means I can't see the person's haplotype as part of a clade. They seem to go back to the founder of I1 as their first recognizable common ancestor. But I notice that in my 68-111 markers collection I have this Bowman in a cluster with 25 at 714 and 18 at 650. Those are not rare values, just off modal one step. But I'll keep my eye on the cluster. WE're not getting the Z information in very large quantity from FTDNA, unfortunately. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Phil Alfeld Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:02 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Tree for I1 with new Z snps The tests were completed. My cousin is Z58-/Z63-/Z131- Does this take Bowman out of generic? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Phil Alfeld [mailto:palfeld@skndlaw.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:25 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Tree for I1 with new Z snps Thanks. I ordered those tests from FTDNA, although the personal page says no tests are pending. I've emailed FTDNA for a status report. Thanks again. -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt [mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:04 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Tree for I1 with new Z snps The Bowman/Lowe/Nevader haplotype I have in the I1generic collection. There is no way to know where it would be on the Z-series snp based tree without him doing Z58/Z63/Z131 discrimination. The generics are splitting up to be sprinkled on most all the main branches. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Phil Alfeld Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 5:49 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Tree for I1 with new Z snps Where does my Bowman cousin place in this tree? His ysearch ID is GRDX4. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt [mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:35 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Tree for I1 with new Z snps Because of the fast breaking developments in I1 due to the Z series snps, I have put up a tree for I1 at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net “Tree for I1” This will be updated from time to time as information is developing rapidly. Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe this one: http://dna-forums.org/index.php?/topic/16981-r1a-snps-chart/page__p__291230__fromsearch__1#entry291230 I know Lukasz, so I can arrange making one for I... On 12/6/2011 12:37 AM, Aaron Hill wrote: > Is there a direct link? > > --- On Mon, 5/12/11, Didier VERNADE<didier.vernade@orange.fr> wrote: > >> From: Didier VERNADE<didier.vernade@orange.fr> >> >> On DNA-forums "Lappa" posted a very nice tree for R1a . A >> possible example for other groups. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there a direct link? --- On Mon, 5/12/11, Didier VERNADE <didier.vernade@orange.fr> wrote: > From: Didier VERNADE <didier.vernade@orange.fr> > > On DNA-forums "Lappa" posted a very nice tree for R1a . A > possible example for other groups.

On DNA-forums "Lappa" posted a very nice tree for R1a . A possible example for other groups. > > > [[ And there is the giant AS2 clade which seems also to be Z139+ and Z138 > status still unknown! Suppose AS2 turns out Z138+? Then people like you > and I are Z138+/Z139+ generics not affiliated with any clade, but just known > to be descendants of the Z138+ Z139+ founder, whereas we were descendants of > the overall I1 founder. > > By the way; any AS2 out there with Z138 result? I can see only the I1 > project member results list by online manipulations. > > I'm not that interested in definitions per se, but more in understanding the > history of the male lines back "then" --- i.e. the temporal as well as > logical and geographical structure of the y tree. > > I think I put it this way several days ago in another post: ".....the > I1xL22 generics will probably end up being mainly broken up into a number of > separate and smaller generic populations, each tagged a little differently > by the new > downstream snps and thus necessarily traced back to a more recent founder. > With the help of these new snps we may (and it’s only a may) be able to > discern connections of some of the generics with known clades, these > connections not seen or overlooked based just on looking at the STRs. > Ken ]] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Obed W Odom > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:48 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Tree for I1 with new Z snps > > Ken, are you and I the only generic I1's who have tested positive for > Z-138 and Z-139 so far? If these SNP's are ancestral in a significant > portion (or would it need to be a majority?) of generic I1's, it seems > to me that you and I would by definition no longer be in the generic > category, and this would be a case where classification by SNP has > trumped classification by STR. > > On 12/5/2011 10:16 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > > That sure is interesting to find another one negative for all three. But > > by > > itself it is not what makes someone generic or non-generic. "generic" > > means > > I can't see the person's haplotype as part of a clade. They seem to go > > back > > to the founder of I1 as their first recognizable common ancestor. But I > > notice that in my 68-111 markers collection I have this Bowman in a > > cluster > > with 25 at 714 and 18 at 650. Those are not rare values, just off modal > > one > > step. But > > I'll keep my eye on the cluster. > > > > WE're not getting the Z information in very large quantity from FTDNA, > > unfortunately. > > > > Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there a particular tribal clan associated with my values? Thank you for your response, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Deep ancestry I1* > There are not many YCA=17,21 I1 haplotypes --- just a handful or two out > of many thousands I would estimate. I don't have them clustered, but > Germany comes up several times as place of origin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Roushey > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:00 AM > To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Deep ancestry I1* > > Hello, > > I have been following the emails of this group for a while now and have to > admit that most of the information shared is way over my head. I upgraded > my y-chromosome test to 67 markers which had previously been suggested for > me to do. I am user 2989M and desire to know what clade I belong to. I > purchased a deep clade test, yielding the results M253+ M170+ L15+ P259- > M227- M21- L211- > > My ancestor immigrated to the US in 1732 from Herrenberg, Wurttemberg, > Germany. I also have traced my ancestry back to 1542 in Spielberg, > Wurttemberg. Prior to 1542 it is likely that I am from Northern Germany > in the area of Hesse near Marburg and Rauschenberg. It has been suggested > that I have genetic ties to the Counts of Ziegenhain. > > Thank you, > > Bill Roushey (once Rauschenberger) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

One of my I1-AS2 CORBINs (#143802 on this page) has ordered Z138: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Corbin/CorbinDNA-results-HgI1.html#AS2 Diana

Bill, You are asking for miracles with so few YCA = 17,21 haplotypes which do not seem to even cluster. You are fortunate to have some of them come up with German origin. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Bill Roushey Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:07 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Deep ancestry I1* Is there a particular tribal clan associated with my values? Thank you for your response, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Deep ancestry I1* > There are not many YCA=17,21 I1 haplotypes --- just a handful or two out > of many thousands I would estimate. I don't have them clustered, but > Germany comes up several times as place of origin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Roushey > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:00 AM > To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Deep ancestry I1* > > Hello, > > I have been following the emails of this group for a while now and have to > admit that most of the information shared is way over my head. I upgraded > my y-chromosome test to 67 markers which had previously been suggested for > me to do. I am user 2989M and desire to know what clade I belong to. I > purchased a deep clade test, yielding the results M253+ M170+ L15+ P259- > M227- M21- L211- > > My ancestor immigrated to the US in 1732 from Herrenberg, Wurttemberg, > Germany. I also have traced my ancestry back to 1542 in Spielberg, > Wurttemberg. Prior to 1542 it is likely that I am from Northern Germany > in the area of Hesse near Marburg and Rauschenberg. It has been suggested > that I have genetic ties to the Counts of Ziegenhain. > > Thank you, > > Bill Roushey (once Rauschenberger) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please contact FTDNA directly about problems ordering L138. http://www.familytreedna.com/contact.aspx -- Aaron, List Manager > From: Ray <rjenkins@arjayindustries.com> > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? > Date: Monday, 5 December, 2011, 20:04 > Hi Ken > On my FTDNA kit #186150, L138 is not showing. It goes from > 137 to 139 > > Ray Jenkins

I just checked, and there is no L138 test on the advanced SNP list, so no one will be able to mistakenly order it. Diana > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 3:37 PM > > Hopefully they will not order L138. The suggestion was meant to say > that > someone from AS2 should order Z138. > > My error!! which needs correcting before people run out and order > wrong snp.

I have a family of AS2 CORBINs: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Corbin/CorbinDNA-results-HgI1.html#AS2 I'll try to persuade one of them to test L138, paying for the test if I have to. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna- > haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 2:47 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? > > Has anyone from I1xL22 clade AS2 ordered the L138 test? AS2 is > probably the second largest clade in I1-xL22, so I hope so. > > My data shows that one AS2 person has tested L139+. But L138 is a > different snp. > > Identifiers for AS2 are: > > 388 = 16 > 385a = 14 > 460 = 11 > 456 = 15 > 641 = 11 > 446 = 14 > 490 = 13 > > and even more good identifiers on the 68-111 set of markers. > > If no one responds affirmatively, please someone in AS2, order L138 > > Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA- > HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hopefully they will not order L138. The suggestion was meant to say that someone from AS2 should order Z138. My error!! which needs correcting before people run out and order wrong snp. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Hill Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 1:29 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com ; rjenkins@arjayindustries.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? Please contact FTDNA directly about problems ordering L138. http://www.familytreedna.com/contact.aspx -- Aaron, List Manager > From: Ray <rjenkins@arjayindustries.com> > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? > Date: Monday, 5 December, 2011, 20:04 > Hi Ken > On my FTDNA kit #186150, L138 is not showing. It goes from > 137 to 139 > > Ray Jenkins ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I meant Z138 yes Z138 If you are AS2 please order Z138 -----Original Message----- From: Ray Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 1:04 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? Hi Ken On my FTDNA kit #186150, L138 is not showing. It goes from 137 to 139 Ray Jenkins AETEN , AS2 -------Original Message------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Date: 12/05/11 11:50:34 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? Has anyone from I1xL22 clade AS2 ordered the L138 test? AS2 is probably the second largest clade in I1-xL22, so I hope so. My data shows that one AS2 person has tested L139+. But L138 is a different snp. Identifiers for AS2 are: 388 = 16 385a = 14 460 = 11 456 = 15 641 = 11 446 = 14 490 = 13 and even more good identifiers on the 68-111 set of markers. If no one responds affirmatively, please someone in AS2, order L138 Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone from I1xL22 clade AS2 ordered the L138 test? AS2 is probably the second largest clade in I1-xL22, so I hope so. My data shows that one AS2 person has tested L139+. But L138 is a different snp. Identifiers for AS2 are: 388 = 16 385a = 14 460 = 11 456 = 15 641 = 11 446 = 14 490 = 13 and even more good identifiers on the 68-111 set of markers. If no one responds affirmatively, please someone in AS2, order L138 Ken

Hi Ken I have ordered Z138 Ray Jenkins #186150, ysearch AETEN I1-M253 AS2 -------Original Message------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Date: 12/05/11 12:40:47 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z138 NOT L138 Hopefully they will not order L138. The suggestion was meant to say that someone from AS2 should order Z138. My error!! which needs correcting before people run out and order wrong snp. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Hill Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 1:29 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com ; rjenkins@arjayindustries.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? Please contact FTDNA directly about problems ordering L138. http://www.familytreedna.com/contact.aspx -- Aaron, List Manager > From: Ray <rjenkins@arjayindustries.com> > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? > Date: Monday, 5 December, 2011, 20:04 > Hi Ken > On my FTDNA kit #186150, L138 is not showing. It goes from > 137 to 139 > > Ray Jenkins ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ken On my FTDNA kit #186150, L138 is not showing. It goes from 137 to 139 Ray Jenkins AETEN , AS2 -------Original Message------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Date: 12/05/11 11:50:34 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? Has anyone from I1xL22 clade AS2 ordered the L138 test? AS2 is probably the second largest clade in I1-xL22, so I hope so. My data shows that one AS2 person has tested L139+. But L138 is a different snp. Identifiers for AS2 are: 388 = 16 385a = 14 460 = 11 456 = 15 641 = 11 446 = 14 490 = 13 and even more good identifiers on the 68-111 set of markers. If no one responds affirmatively, please someone in AS2, order L138 Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, are you and I the only generic I1's who have tested positive for Z-138 and Z-139 so far? If these SNP's are ancestral in a significant portion (or would it need to be a majority?) of generic I1's, it seems to me that you and I would by definition no longer be in the generic category, and this would be a case where classification by SNP has trumped classification by STR. On 12/5/2011 10:16 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > That sure is interesting to find another one negative for all three. But by > itself it is not what makes someone generic or non-generic. "generic" means > I can't see the person's haplotype as part of a clade. They seem to go back > to the founder of I1 as their first recognizable common ancestor. But I > notice that in my 68-111 markers collection I have this Bowman in a cluster > with 25 at 714 and 18 at 650. Those are not rare values, just off modal one > step. But > I'll keep my eye on the cluster. > > WE're not getting the Z information in very large quantity from FTDNA, > unfortunately. > > Ken

I do use population estimates, and population densities, for Europe at earlier times too. But such early estimates are particularly crude. Modern humans first entered Europe around 45,000 years ago, and for the period 36,000 BC - 26,000 BC, the estimate I use for the population of Europe at that time is anywhere from just 3,000 to 30,000 people - so there was a very low human population in Europe then. About 1/3rd of those people would have lived in the Franco-Cantabrian region. And the Neanderthal population at that time could have been anywhere from just 1,000 to 10,000. So the European population at those early times was very low. Things picked up after the end of the Last Glacial period. There was a rapid population rise at the start of the Linear Pottery Culture (LBK) Neolithic in Germany at around 5,500 BC to 5,000 BC, presumably due to the arrival of the farming revolution. My guess has been that the first I1-M253 person (with all the other SNP mutations) appeared at that time. And the arrival of farming gave the initial population boost to allow I1 people to expand before the R1b people came along. Other scenarios would be possible though. Terry On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Good to have these summary estimates. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 4:22 PM > To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DNA] Historical Population Estimates for Europe (was Re: > Domesday) > > For the simulations and other calculations that I have done in the past, I > often used these (very approximate) population estimates for Europe: > > =============================== > Population Estimates for Europe > =============================== > 10,000 BC: 200,000 people. > 7,000 BC: 400,000 people. > 4,000 BC: 2 million people. > 2,000 BC: 5 million people. > 1,000 BC: 10 million people. > 200 BC: 27 million people. > 200 AD: 36 million people. > 500 AD: 27 million people. > 1,000 AD: 38 million people. > 1,500 AD: 80 million people. > 1,800 AD: 180 million people. > 2,000 AD: 750 million people. > =============================== > > > And for population trends in Europe, these are often quoted: > > =============================== > Population Trends in Europe > =============================== > 150 AD - 400 AD: Population Decline. > 400 AD - 1000 AD: Stable at a Low Level. > 1000 AD - 1250 AD: Population Boom. > 1250 AD - 1350 AD: Stable at a High Level (except after Great Famine). > 1350 AD - 1420 AD: Steep Decline (due to Black Death - 1 in 3 died). > 1420 AD - 1470 AD: Stable at a Low Level. > 1470 AD - onward: Slow Expansion (gaining momentum in early 16th Century). > =============================== > > I also use some region specific population estimates, since the population > changes over thousands of years was not uniform across Europe. > > Note all these estimates are fairly crude. But for testing various TMRCA > population history effects, I gained a lot of insight from using such > estimates. They are also useful for understanding computed trees from STR > data. > > I rarely use a constant population growth over time. > > Terry > > >

[[ And there is the giant AS2 clade which seems also to be Z139+ and Z138 status still unknown! Suppose AS2 turns out Z138+? Then people like you and I are Z138+/Z139+ generics not affiliated with any clade, but just known to be descendants of the Z138+ Z139+ founder, whereas we were descendants of the overall I1 founder. By the way; any AS2 out there with Z138 result? I can see only the I1 project member results list by online manipulations. I'm not that interested in definitions per se, but more in understanding the history of the male lines back "then" --- i.e. the temporal as well as logical and geographical structure of the y tree. I think I put it this way several days ago in another post: ".....the I1xL22 generics will probably end up being mainly broken up into a number of separate and smaller generic populations, each tagged a little differently by the new downstream snps and thus necessarily traced back to a more recent founder. With the help of these new snps we may (and it’s only a may) be able to discern connections of some of the generics with known clades, these connections not seen or overlooked based just on looking at the STRs. Ken ]] -----Original Message----- From: Obed W Odom Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:48 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Tree for I1 with new Z snps Ken, are you and I the only generic I1's who have tested positive for Z-138 and Z-139 so far? If these SNP's are ancestral in a significant portion (or would it need to be a majority?) of generic I1's, it seems to me that you and I would by definition no longer be in the generic category, and this would be a case where classification by SNP has trumped classification by STR. On 12/5/2011 10:16 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > That sure is interesting to find another one negative for all three. But > by > itself it is not what makes someone generic or non-generic. "generic" > means > I can't see the person's haplotype as part of a clade. They seem to go > back > to the founder of I1 as their first recognizable common ancestor. But I > notice that in my 68-111 markers collection I have this Bowman in a > cluster > with 25 at 714 and 18 at 650. Those are not rare values, just off modal > one > step. But > I'll keep my eye on the cluster. > > WE're not getting the Z information in very large quantity from FTDNA, > unfortunately. > > Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are not many YCA=17,21 I1 haplotypes --- just a handful or two out of many thousands I would estimate. I don't have them clustered, but Germany comes up several times as place of origin. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Roushey Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:00 AM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Deep ancestry I1* Hello, I have been following the emails of this group for a while now and have to admit that most of the information shared is way over my head. I upgraded my y-chromosome test to 67 markers which had previously been suggested for me to do. I am user 2989M and desire to know what clade I belong to. I purchased a deep clade test, yielding the results M253+ M170+ L15+ P259- M227- M21- L211- My ancestor immigrated to the US in 1732 from Herrenberg, Wurttemberg, Germany. I also have traced my ancestry back to 1542 in Spielberg, Wurttemberg. Prior to 1542 it is likely that I am from Northern Germany in the area of Hesse near Marburg and Rauschenberg. It has been suggested that I have genetic ties to the Counts of Ziegenhain. Thank you, Bill Roushey (once Rauschenberger) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

there isn't -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Francis Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:18 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1-AS hotspots Excuse me if this has already been answered, but is there some place in one of your trees or spreadsheets where the hotspot for each variety of I1-As is listed? If not, I think a lot of people would find this very helpful. "Indeed the hotspot for L338+ AS1 is NW Germany and Netherlands. Of course much got to the British Isles as well. L338+ AS8 has a slightly more easterly hotspot, perhaps Pomerania." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message