My I1-AS5 STRAUB cousin has these SNPs pending: Z58 Z63 Z131 Z138 Z139 Z140 Do I get an award? Diana > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:47 PM > > Maybe an award is needed to flush out the first Z131+?
A few more Z results trickled in. I am Z63+ kit N10705, no surprise, and so is Arjonilla kit N11902. Still no Z131+ out there.
Maybe an award is needed to flush out the first Z131+? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Stone Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:27 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z63+ A few more Z results trickled in. I am Z63+ kit N10705, no surprise, and so is Arjonilla kit N11902. Still no Z131+ out there. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
My Z59 SNP test came back positive (Z59+) Ordered Z140. Vic Jensen Y Search: DM35M
Z140 is the only baby still undone. Z140 is downstream from Z58 and Z59 according to 1000 Genomes. FTDNA has not got around to getting a few more Z series snps for I1xL22 from 1000 Genomes into their catalog yet. If they do, we'll probably most all have some more downstream testing to do. I won't however, being L139+ L138+ and off on a side branch. -----Original Message----- From: Julie Frame Falk Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:24 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com ; Y-DNA Haplogroup I Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1- AS Maverick New SNP Results Hello All Some new SNP Results for Kit 64529, YSearch X7P3B L211-, Z59+, Z138-, Z139- His SNPs currently: L802+, L803+, M253+, Z58+, Z59+, L211-, L22-, L338-, L573-,M21-, M227-, M72-, P259-, Z131-, Z138-, Z139-, Z63- What are the next SNP test recommendations for those testing positive for Z58 and Z59 please? Regards Julie Frame Falk From: Julie Frame Falk Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:11 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com ; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: I1-Maverick New SNP Results Hello All New SNP results for Kit 64529 – Ysearch X7P3B Z58+ Z63- Z131- SNP lineup now: Z58+ M253+ L803+ L802+ Z63- Z131- P259- M72- M227- M21- L573- L338- L22- Regards Julie Frame Falk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Ken, Ordered Z138, Z139 and Z59 on 12/12/11. The recent progress has been quite exciting! There was such an extended period of time where I1-AS_ SNP progress was so slow and the current discoveries are a significant contrast to that pace. The new information over the last six months has been very interesting and appears to be adding to the I1 story. Thanks to you and others for all the work! Bob Haskins I1 AS2 5ET8U -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:08 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] AS2 Next SNP to Test AS2 should be Z139+, maybe Z138+, and probably Z59- Any tests you can do to make those snp calls more firm will be helpful. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Robert Haskins Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:52 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] AS2 Next SNP to Test Ken, After replenishing my DNA sample at FTDNA, I am ready to order any meaningful additional SNP tests. What are the current tests beyond Z58 for I1-AS2? Are Z139 and Z138 the next logical ones to order? Bob Haskins I1 AS2 5ET8U ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Ken, After replenishing my DNA sample at FTDNA, I am ready to order any meaningful additional SNP tests. What are the current tests beyond Z58 for I1-AS2? Are Z139 and Z138 the next logical ones to order? Bob Haskins I1 AS2 5ET8U
If you want to see the summary of what we know about the Z series snps and the clades of I1, see "Tree for I1" file at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net There are more Z series snps downstream that could be helpful, but FTDNA has failed to make them available in their catalog. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:08 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] AS2 Next SNP to Test AS2 should be Z139+, maybe Z138+, and probably Z59- Any tests you can do to make those snp calls more firm will be helpful. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Robert Haskins Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:52 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] AS2 Next SNP to Test Ken, After replenishing my DNA sample at FTDNA, I am ready to order any meaningful additional SNP tests. What are the current tests beyond Z58 for I1-AS2? Are Z139 and Z138 the next logical ones to order? Bob Haskins I1 AS2 5ET8U ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
AS2 should be Z139+, maybe Z138+, and probably Z59- Any tests you can do to make those snp calls more firm will be helpful. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Robert Haskins Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:52 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] AS2 Next SNP to Test Ken, After replenishing my DNA sample at FTDNA, I am ready to order any meaningful additional SNP tests. What are the current tests beyond Z58 for I1-AS2? Are Z139 and Z138 the next logical ones to order? Bob Haskins I1 AS2 5ET8U ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
In the latest BBC News Magazine one writer takes a look at the Scandinavianness of Scotland. Surprisingly there is no discussion of human genetics, which shows clear links between Scotland and Scandinavia. While there is some politics involved — which I find fascinating — I try to stay above the fray on the question of whether or not Scotland should break away from the United Kingdom. http://aaronjhill.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/how-scandinavian-is-scotland/ -- Aaron
Greetings FYI. My Z test result is not due until 16 January 2012. Having been AS - Generic for so long, a few more weeks is not going to make any difference. I might even still be AS - Generic! Regards John From: Obed W Odom <owodom@mail.utexas.edu> Date: 7 December 2011 17:24:12 GMT To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? Reply-To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Ken, At least for the Z SNP's that I have ordered, the turnaround time at FTDNA has been pretty fast. For Z138, Z139, and Z140, I ordered on 11/11/2011 and had my results back on 11/29/2011. Maybe the reason the results are dribbling in is that not many people are ordering. It seems to me that, for whatever reason, these Z-SNP's are giving more delineation in I1xL22 than we have seen in a long time, including 2 versions of the WTY project. From the results I have seen for AS-generic I1's, they have already been subdivided into at least 3 subgroups by these Z SNP's. So I, as a (former?) AS-generic I1, would strongly encourage members of our huge group to order the ones you have been mentioning: Z58, Z59, Z138, Z131, Z139, and Z140. On 12/6/2011 6:02 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > > Z snp results are just dribbling in in Haplogroup I. FTDNA is putting its > resources somewhere else. >
Did you’all notice that the two biggest hordes of I1xL22 with 15 at DYS464d and 22 at DYS447 are positioned on the new downstream Z-series snp based tree together? Z58+ and Z40+ By contrast the overall I1xL22 modality is 16 at DYS464d and 23 at DYS447. (Note: we are here not talking about the L22+ I1) I noticed this divide described above back in 2005 and tried to develop online awareness of it, but could not do much with it since, but now the new snps seem to keep it together with a split time from rest of I1xL22 of about 3000 years ago. See “Tree for I1” at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net AS1 and the 14/22 complex including AS5 and AS6 are what I am talking about. In 2005 I saw a weak geographical signal connected with the divide, and with British Isles seeming to be richer in the 464d=15,447=22 I1xL22. There were some other geographical anomalies --- at least I thought I saw them. But alas, that information is in my old PC which resists being turned on again. One is tempted to call this division of I1xL22 the “Western” division. Anyway; it would seem a good research subject with today’s greatly expanded data --- Look at the geography correlated with this STR division of I1, and especially check whether British Isles are indeed richer (as compared to other I1xL22) in the “Western” type of I1xL22 than is Scandinavia or Germany, etc.? And how about variance-based age measurements? Ken
-----Original Message----- From: Obed W Odom Ken, At least for the Z SNP's that I have ordered, the turnaround time at FTDNA has been pretty fast. For Z138, Z139, and Z140, I ordered on 11/11/2011 and had my results back on 11/29/2011. [[You were fortunate to beat the December blackout. I am so down and out over the collapse in results published at FTDNA I avoid as much as possible even checking the GAP results pages now. ]]
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/h-gobind-khorana-1968-nobel-winner-for-rna-research-dies.html Patrick Holland.
Ken, At least for the Z SNP's that I have ordered, the turnaround time at FTDNA has been pretty fast. For Z138, Z139, and Z140, I ordered on 11/11/2011 and had my results back on 11/29/2011. Maybe the reason the results are dribbling in is that not many people are ordering. It seems to me that, for whatever reason, these Z-SNP's are giving more delineation in I1xL22 than we have seen in a long time, including 2 versions of the WTY project. From the results I have seen for AS-generic I1's, they have already been subdivided into at least 3 subgroups by these Z SNP's. So I, as a (former?) AS-generic I1, would strongly encourage members of our huge group to order the ones you have been mentioning: Z58, Z59, Z138, Z131, Z139, and Z140. On 12/6/2011 6:02 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > > Z snp results are just dribbling in in Haplogroup I. FTDNA is putting its > resources somewhere else. >
Some people are getting interested in I1 from SE Europe and what kinds of I1 might mainly be there? Interesting topic for special investigation! In addition to I1-T2 (Z63+) they should certainly investigate M227+ still probably called I1b M227+ has interestingly been found ancestral for all three entry level Z series snps, Z58, Z63, and Z131 Rootsi et al back in antiquity (2004) found lots of M227+ in Eastern Europe, but that has not been followed up since with such concentration being confirmed. They should also keep an eye for I1-P (also ancestral for the three stated Z snps), but I1-P seems pretty concentrated in Poland, Prussia, Pomerania.
Implied, but not explicitly stated below, is the point that Z63+ seems to be an end-of-the-line snp presently, and Z131+ has not been found yet, and if found is also end-of-the-line according to 1000 Genomes. We have found some whole clades and generics negative for all three entry snps; and to me they are in many respects the most interesting division of I1xL22 Z158+ is the branch with more down stream Z series snps. -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:37 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? -----Original Message----- From: Obed W Odom So I, as a (former?) AS-generic I1, would strongly encourage members of our huge group to order the ones you have been mentioning: Z58, Z59, Z138, Z131, Z139, and Z140. Z58 Z63, and Z131 are the "entry" snps for I1xL22 It is probably a waste of money to do Z59, Z138, Z139, Z140 unless you turn out Z58+ on the entry snps. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
-----Original Message----- From: Obed W Odom So I, as a (former?) AS-generic I1, would strongly encourage members of our huge group to order the ones you have been mentioning: Z58, Z59, Z138, Z131, Z139, and Z140. Z58 Z63, and Z131 are the "entry" snps for I1xL22 It is probably a waste of money to do Z59, Z138, Z139, Z140 unless you turn out Z58+ on the entry snps.
I made a mistake in calling the snp. It is Z138 ----- NOT L138 Clades have not changed because Z snps came along. They just tag different snps differently. See "Tree for I1" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net Z snp results are just dribbling in in Haplogroup I. FTDNA is putting its resources somewhere else. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pallette Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:09 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? Ken, Should members of AS6 be tested for L138 or do you have enough data from this group? Also, I know you have been extremely busy posting new charts and interclade age estimates, but how long do you think it will be before we have a chart like the one you posted below in 2010: Professor Kenneth Nordtvedt made in May 2010 this list of Time to Most Recent Ancestors in the hg I-group. M253 - ASgen --- 3500 years M253 - P --- 3450 years M253 – T2 --- 3330 years M253 – AS13 --- 3360 years M253 - AS1 --- 1920 years M253 – AS8 --- 2000 years M253 – AS2 --- 1920 years M253 – AS3 --- 2030 years M253 – AS4 --- 940 years M253 – AS7E --- 1630 years M253 – EE --- 1500 years L22 - Norse --- 3000 years L22 – NuN14 --- 2750 years P109 --- 2730 years L22 – uN1 --- 2550 years L22– uN2 --- 1570 years L22 – uN9 --- 1800 years L22 – uN9a --- 1450 years L22 – Bothnia --- 1850 years Thanks, Mark Pallette On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Diana Matthiesen <Diana@danishdemes.org>wrote: > I have a family of AS2 CORBINs: > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Corbin/CorbinDNA-results-HgI1.html#AS2 > > I'll try to persuade one of them to test L138, paying for the test if > I have to. > > Diana > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna- > > haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 2:47 PM > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? > > > > Has anyone from I1xL22 clade AS2 ordered the L138 test? AS2 is > > probably the second largest clade in I1-xL22, so I hope so. > > > > My data shows that one AS2 person has tested L139+. But L138 is a > > different snp. > > > > Identifiers for AS2 are: > > > > 388 = 16 > > 385a = 14 > > 460 = 11 > > 456 = 15 > > 641 = 11 > > 446 = 14 > > 490 = 13 > > > > and even more good identifiers on the 68-111 set of markers. > > > > If no one responds affirmatively, please someone in AS2, order L138 > > > > Ken > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA- > > HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Ken, Should members of AS6 be tested for L138 or do you have enough data from this group? Also, I know you have been extremely busy posting new charts and interclade age estimates, but how long do you think it will be before we have a chart like the one you posted below in 2010: Professor Kenneth Nordtvedt made in May 2010 this list of Time to Most Recent Ancestors in the hg I-group. M253 - ASgen --- 3500 years M253 - P --- 3450 years M253 – T2 --- 3330 years M253 – AS13 --- 3360 years M253 - AS1 --- 1920 years M253 – AS8 --- 2000 years M253 – AS2 --- 1920 years M253 – AS3 --- 2030 years M253 – AS4 --- 940 years M253 – AS7E --- 1630 years M253 – EE --- 1500 years L22 - Norse --- 3000 years L22 – NuN14 --- 2750 years P109 --- 2730 years L22 – uN1 --- 2550 years L22– uN2 --- 1570 years L22 – uN9 --- 1800 years L22 – uN9a --- 1450 years L22 – Bothnia --- 1850 years Thanks, Mark Pallette On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Diana Matthiesen <Diana@danishdemes.org>wrote: > I have a family of AS2 CORBINs: > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Corbin/CorbinDNA-results-HgI1.html#AS2 > > I'll try to persuade one of them to test L138, paying for the test if > I have to. > > Diana > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna- > > haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 2:47 PM > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] L138 for I1-AS2? > > > > Has anyone from I1xL22 clade AS2 ordered the L138 test? AS2 is > > probably the second largest clade in I1-xL22, so I hope so. > > > > My data shows that one AS2 person has tested L139+. But L138 is a > > different snp. > > > > Identifiers for AS2 are: > > > > 388 = 16 > > 385a = 14 > > 460 = 11 > > 456 = 15 > > 641 = 11 > > 446 = 14 > > 490 = 13 > > > > and even more good identifiers on the 68-111 set of markers. > > > > If no one responds affirmatively, please someone in AS2, order L138 > > > > Ken > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA- > > HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >