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Ken, Would you suggest I request any Z SNPs or any others. I am 14070 or Ysearch J5tva. I am haplogroup I1f, I believe. Any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:48 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? L840 -----Original Message----- From: Mudary Mudary Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:41 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? Hi, Any SNP's for I1d1? Mudary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I believe you have all the tests done at this point. You now just wait for further downstream snps to become available. L338+ indeed is your haplogroup; and Douglas is a good lowland Scot name like so many in L338+ -----Original Message----- From: Jane Miscavich Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 3:00 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? Ken, Would you suggest I request any Z SNPs or any others. I am 14070 or Ysearch J5tva. I am haplogroup I1f, I believe. Any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:48 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? L840 -----Original Message----- From: Mudary Mudary Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:41 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? Hi, Any SNP's for I1d1? Mudary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Roy, What is your current haplogroup assignment by STR classification? I assume from Ken's I1-M253 tree that you would be I1-AS3 or I1-AS-generic. If you are generic, your Z59+ result would still put you with I1-AS3, just as my Z139+ result puts me (I1-AS-generic) with I1-AS2. Phil Alfeld's Bowman cousin, who is also I1-generic, tests negative for Z58, Z63, and Z131, so he is in a 3rd sub-class of I1-generic. I certainly wish more of the I1-generics were as interested as you, Phil, and I in doing these Z-SNP tests. As I see it, they are guaranteed to get some further delineation no matter how their Z-SNP tests turn out, and at $29 per SNP the costs are not astronomical. On 12/16/2011 4:03 PM, Roy Silfven wrote: > My FTDNA test is Z59+. > > Kit 154151, Y-Search MUZGY > > Z59+ Z58+ P38+ P212+ M253+ L578+ L41+ Z63- Z140- Z139- Z138- Z131- > P259- P109- M72- M438- M227- M21- L803- L802- L573- L346- L344- L338- > L22- L211- L188- L161- > > What Now? > > > Roy Silfven > rsilfven@bendcable.com > >
Well damn...If anything needs to be tested, let me know Dave On 12/17/11, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > No, you have done all the relevant snp tests for M284+ > > Yes, the hobby has been quiet lately, especially in your sector of the y > tree. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Godbey > > Are there any new SNP Tests that need to be run for us I2a2a1 or I2a2a1a > folks? > > Seems to have been rather quiet on that front lately. > > Dave > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Ken, Already have it. 177090 P109+ M253+ L840+ L22+ M72- M227- L258- Mudary > From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:48:12 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? > > L840 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mudary Mudary > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:41 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? > > > Hi, > > Any SNP's for I1d1? > > Mudary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
L840 -----Original Message----- From: Mudary Mudary Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:41 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? Hi, Any SNP's for I1d1? Mudary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi, Any SNP's for I1d1? Mudary
No, you have done all the relevant snp tests for M284+ Yes, the hobby has been quiet lately, especially in your sector of the y tree. -----Original Message----- From: David Godbey Are there any new SNP Tests that need to be run for us I2a2a1 or I2a2a1a folks? Seems to have been rather quiet on that front lately. Dave
Are there any new SNP Tests that need to be run for us I2a2a1 or I2a2a1a folks? Seems to have been rather quiet on that front lately. Dave
Do my eyes deceive me? I think the 68-111 colorization has occurred? When did that happen? Ordered a upgrade this week for FTDNA 57021 YSearch 84U3S -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dnalister@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:28 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 68-111 over the cliff? I love colorization, especially for situations when a lot of people in a clade belong to a project, and I have such a project. We have done a fair amount of STR work on that group, and I'm sure that I will do more, but I am hoping for colorization and inclusion of advanced marker results in the ysearch database to help with that. I think that we are to some extent going through a first phase of using more whole genome sequence data to learn about SNPs and there is some catch-up to do right now. I think there will be local maxes and mins in the flow of data even as it increases, and those variations will cause us to change our balance of SNP vs. STR work from time to time. Kirsten ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 3:32:13 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 68-111 over the cliff? FTDNA coloring for what purpose? I could never see any. Given the way we are adding to our snp list, we are far far away from snps being able to replace extended STR haplotypes in learning about the "time" of events in the tree. I hope that is realized in the focus to snps. -----Original Message----- From: dnalister@comcast.net I tend to rely on FTDNA's mutation colorization, and the last time I checked, it was not working for markers 68-111. I believe that is true for both public results pages and GAP results displays. Kirsten ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> I have noticed a strong drop in rate of haplogroup I people who are expanding haplotypes to 111 markers? Anybody have any theory why? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Z131 has returned negative. Others still pending. Diana > From: Diana Matthiesen > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:07 PM > > My I1-AS5 STRAUB cousin has these SNPs pending: > > Z58 Z63 Z131 Z138 Z139 Z140 > > Do I get an award? > > Diana
Ray, Do I interpret your message correctly that you are I1-AS2 and are Z58+, Z139+, and Z138+? If so, that puts you (I1-AS2)and Ken and me (I1-AS-generic) in the same clade, as judged by SNPs. Do you agree, Ken? Could this mean that the Y-STR pattern of I1-AS2 is more similar to the pattern of our common ancestor, but that the Y-STR pattern of some of us I1-AS-generics has mutated enough that we can no longer be recognized by STRs but only by SNPs? Quoting Ray <rjenkins@arjayindustries.com>: > Hi > My Result is in and I am Z138+ for FTDNA kit #186150 > Ysearch AETEN > > Ray Jenkins > > >
My interpretation, based on my old tmrca with AS2, and the young tmrca of AS2 itself, is that both lines after parting ways simply diverged as they will. I could not suggest yet what the haplotypes looked like at the beginning of Z139+. I see some commonalities among AS2, your haplotype, mine.... but it is not much to hang a hat on. -----Original Message----- From: owodom@mail.utexas.edu Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:07 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] AS2 - Z138+ Ray, Do I interpret your message correctly that you are I1-AS2 and are Z58+, Z139+, and Z138+? If so, that puts you (I1-AS2)and Ken and me (I1-AS-generic) in the same clade, as judged by SNPs. Do you agree, Ken? Could this mean that the Y-STR pattern of I1-AS2 is more similar to the pattern of our common ancestor, but that the Y-STR pattern of some of us I1-AS-generics has mutated enough that we can no longer be recognized by STRs but only by SNPs? Quoting Ray <rjenkins@arjayindustries.com>: > Hi > My Result is in and I am Z138+ for FTDNA kit #186150 > Ysearch AETEN > > Ray Jenkins > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Wait for FTDNA to put some more Z snps in catalog -----Original Message----- From: Roy Silfven My FTDNA test is Z59+. Z140- What Now?
My FTDNA test is Z59+. Kit 154151, Y-Search MUZGY Z59+ Z58+ P38+ P212+ M253+ L578+ L41+ Z63- Z140- Z139- Z138- Z131- P259- P109- M72- M438- M227- M21- L803- L802- L573- L346- L344- L338- L22- L211- L188- L161- What Now? Roy Silfven rsilfven@bendcable.com
There seems to be a superclade, very old, in I1xL22 with characteristics DYS392=12, DYS385a=14, and being ancestral for Z58, Z63, Z131? Other STR identifiers are not there across the board. It includes I1-P, I1-AS7e, I1-AS1212. But how I1-AS4 (Wales) is related escapes me? And now this I1-P1/I1-P2 clash? Wish the focused snp tests would go through the system quicker.
Hi My Result is in and I am Z138+ for FTDNA kit #186150 Ysearch AETEN Ray Jenkins -------Original Message------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Date: 16/12/2011 12:29:39 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] 392=12,385a=14 I1xL22 SuperClade? There seems to be a superclade, very old, in I1xL22 with characteristics DYS392=12, DYS385a=14, and being ancestral for Z58, Z63, Z131? Other STR identifiers are not there across the board. It includes I1-P, I1-AS7e, I1-AS1212. But how I1-AS4 (Wales) is related escapes me? And now this I1-P1/I1-P2 clash? Wish the focused snp tests would go through the system quicker. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
There are clashing results for the only two Z58 results from I1-P --- actually one from I1-P1 and one from I1-P2 I1-P is a clade of I1xL22 primarily from Poland/Pomerania/Prussia with 12 at DYS392 and 11 at DYS391, and usually a 14 at DYS385a It further divides based on DYS447 being 23 or 24, and to some degree on DYS464b being 14 or 15 First member to test got negative results for Z58, Z63, Z131. Second person got a positive on Z58. Probably is low we caught Z58 flipping in the middle of the I1-P early days. So we have an oddity! More from the clade should test.
Hello All Some new SNP Results for Kit 64529, YSearch X7P3B L211-, Z59+, Z138-, Z139- His SNPs currently: L802+, L803+, M253+, Z58+, Z59+, L211-, L22-, L338-, L573-,M21-, M227-, M72-, P259-, Z131-, Z138-, Z139-, Z63- What are the next SNP test recommendations for those testing positive for Z58 and Z59 please? Regards Julie Frame Falk From: Julie Frame Falk Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:11 PM To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com ; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: I1-Maverick New SNP Results Hello All New SNP results for Kit 64529 – Ysearch X7P3B Z58+ Z63- Z131- SNP lineup now: Z58+ M253+ L803+ L802+ Z63- Z131- P259- M72- M227- M21- L573- L338- L22- Regards Julie Frame Falk