--- On Tue, 12/27/11, Bernie Cullen <berniecullen@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Bernie Cullen <berniecullen@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I2 Z-SNPs > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 8:54 PM > Thanks for the question, Wil. > > Here is the latest news for I-P37.2 (still called I2a at > FTDNA): > > 1) A Walk Through The Y for an I2a2a "Dinaric-S" person > with ancestors from > Bosnia was completed a few weeks ago, no new SNPs were > discovered. ******************************************************************* Two quickies: (a) Is this person L-147+ ? (b) Is the Disles group also L-147+ ?
Hello Bernie Cullen, It looks like FTDNA is devoting all of its efforts toward the I1 hordes. Have any I2 Z-SNP results been received recently? Wil Husted
So far I am finding the different clades within I1xZ58,Z63,Z131 to be quite separate and having ancient interclade tmrcas of approximate age 4000 years ago. And number of folks expanding to 111 markers is not large enough to see any unity of haplotypes of this I1* haplogroup. January 1 an updated tree for I1 will go up on my website. Ken -----Original Message----- From: jb@mccrummen.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:43 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1* grows in population Ken- What are your current thoughts about what you describe as the large I1xZ58,Z63,Z131 population, not including the ML clade, and especially those of us who have had the 68-111 DYS readings? JB JB MCCRUMMEN FTDNA 75432 YSearch 77q27 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1* grows in population From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1]knordtvedt@bresnan.net> Date: Mon, December 26, 2011 8:51 am To: <[2]y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com>, <[3]genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Today a member of the I1-ML (missing link) clade received three snp results for the entry Z series snps Z58, Z63, Z131. He is reported negative for all three, so ML clade remains I1* The I1xZ58,Z63,Z131 population has become quite large. It is interesting that out of 1000 Genomes 15 samples used to announce their I1 sector tree of Z snps, they did not have one member of the I1* type. Perhaps there is something about their search procedure which passes by dna samples negative for everything of the Z series? References 1. mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net 2. mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Ken- What are your current thoughts about what you describe as the large I1xZ58,Z63,Z131 population, not including the ML clade, and especially those of us who have had the 68-111 DYS readings? JB JB MCCRUMMEN FTDNA 75432 YSearch 77q27 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1* grows in population From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1]knordtvedt@bresnan.net> Date: Mon, December 26, 2011 8:51 am To: <[2]y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com>, <[3]genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com> Today a member of the I1-ML (missing link) clade received three snp results for the entry Z series snps Z58, Z63, Z131. He is reported negative for all three, so ML clade remains I1* The I1xZ58,Z63,Z131 population has become quite large. It is interesting that out of 1000 Genomes 15 samples used to announce their I1 sector tree of Z snps, they did not have one member of the I1* type. Perhaps there is something about their search procedure which passes by dna samples negative for everything of the Z series? References 1. mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net 2. mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com
I have been trying to make tree sense out of the growing Z58- Z63- Z131- I1* set of clades and found something interesting about what I called I1-AS1212 The name was inspired by the 12 at 393 and 12 at 392 for these haplotypes. But I notice on closer look that they split into two distinct subclades. The Z series snp tests were from just one subclade. So I think it important to get the entry Z series snps tested for representative of the other subclade So I am asking for Z58, Z63, and Z131 tests for anyone that I would call I1-AS1212b: 12 at 393 12 at 392 24 at 447 30 at 449 15 at 464d I1-AS1212 a&b seem to have an interclade node age of over 4000 years. Ken
Now that we have found I1-ML clade Z58- Z63- Z131- it would be nice for some of the clade to expand haplotypes to include the 68-111 STRs. I notice none have done so. There should be increased chances of some real novel STR values for the clade because of its relatively ancient branching off from main stream of I1xL22
Today a member of the I1-ML (missing link) clade received three snp results for the entry Z series snps Z58, Z63, Z131. He is reported negative for all three, so ML clade remains I1* The I1xZ58,Z63,Z131 population has become quite large. It is interesting that out of 1000 Genomes 15 samples used to announce their I1 sector tree of Z snps, they did not have one member of the I1* type. Perhaps there is something about their search procedure which passes by dna samples negative for everything of the Z series?
There seem to be some errors in the M223+ sector of the ISOGG Y tree? They show L369 as subhaplogroup of L126 and L137. As far as I know L369 with quite a few results now still shows phyloequiv to L126 and L137. Does anyone have some knowledge to the contrary? L801+ is now a robustly tested and found subhaplogroup of M223*; it seems to take in most of the younger haplotypes of Continental 1 & 2, leaving out interesting old clades from same. I con’t see L801 in the ISOGG tree. In fact, L801+ will most probably end up with most of the previously named clades of M223* Continental 1 & 2. A piece of the old portion of Continental L801- has turned out L147+ L623+ I don’t see this downstream haplogroup either? ( I won’t even mention in any depth L812+ which seems so far to be confined to a small clade (DYS438 = 8) within the Roots clade of M223*. This can properly be called a snp still under investigation ) Ken
Hi Dora, To the best of my knowledge, they are not closely related to each other. Greg On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> wrote: > Greg, could you just confirm whether the people who tested positive for > Z131 > could have been closely related to each other? > > Yours, > Dora > >
Please do not post a complicated table of STR and SNP results. Instead, upload your information to a public database such as YSearch and then provide your user ID. As you can see from below, HTML coding, including tables, rarely translates well into plain text, if ever. Also, please cut and edit any information from previous messages that are not relevant or necessary. http://www.ysearch.org/ -- Aaron, List Manager ________________________________ From: G. Magoon gregm4584@gmail.com HG00140: GBR (Kent) For STRs, see NA11992 in the table below: ID Pop. SNPs DYS19 DYS389I DYS389II DYS390 DYS391 DYS392 DYS393 DYS437 DYS438 DYS439 DYS448 DYS456 DYS458 DYS635 Y_GATA_H4 DYS385 NA12750 CEU Z58+,Z59+ 14 12 28 22 10 11 13 16 10 12 20 12 14 21 10 13,14 NA06994 CEU Z58+,Z59+,Z60+,Z73+ 15 12 28 22 10 11 13 16 10 11 20 14 16 22 10 13,14 NA12891 CEU Z63+ 14 12 28 23 10 11 13 16 10 11 20 14 15 21 10 13,14 11 13 16 10 12 20 14 14 21 10 13,14
The best I can give is the origins and STR values for the Z131+ 1000 Genomes samples that I've already posted elsewhere: NA11992: CEU (Utah) HG00117: GBR (Orkney) HG00140: GBR (Kent) For STRs, see NA11992 in the table below: ID Pop. SNPs DYS19 DYS389I DYS389II DYS390 DYS391 DYS392 DYS393 DYS437 DYS438 DYS439 DYS448 DYS456 DYS458 DYS635 Y_GATA_H4 DYS385 NA12750 CEU Z58+,Z59+ 14 12 28 22 10 11 13 16 10 12 20 12 14 21 10 13,14 NA06994 CEU Z58+,Z59+,Z60+,Z73+ 15 12 28 22 10 11 13 16 10 11 20 14 16 22 10 13,14 NA12891 CEU Z63+ 14 12 28 23 10 11 13 16 10 11 20 14 15 21 10 13,14 NA11992 CEU Z131+ 14 13 30 22 10 11 13 16 10 12 20 13 15 21 11 9,14 NA11829 CEU L22+,Z74+ 14 12 28 23 10 11 13 16 10 11 20 14 17 21 11 14,15 NA11881 CEU ? 14 12 28 22 10 11 13 16 10 12 20 14 14 21 10 13,14 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Do we know anything about this confirmed Z131+ Geographical area of male > line ancestry? Any STRs? > Ethnicity of surname or database ethnicity identification? Birthday? > > -----Original Message----- > From: G. Magoon > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:11 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z131 confirmed > > I'm pleased to convey news that the researcher responsible for the DF > series of Y-SNPs has been able to confirm the Z131 variant (downstream of > I-M253 and parallel to DF29); he tested DF29- samples for Z131 and found > both ancestral and derived results (Z131- and Z131+). > > With the lack of derived Z131 results from FTDNA, I was starting to get > concerned that this could be a spurious variant. (Just to be clear, in case > it wasn't apparent from my earlier postings: until a derived result is > found with conventional Sanger sequencing, all the Z-SNPs are "candidate" > variants and could be false positives due to next-gen sequencing errors; we > make efforts to exclude the more dubious variants, but our screening isn't > perfect. I try to keep track of the confirmed variants on the summary page > of our collaborative spreadsheet at > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Agq_ez43qXCjdFlxemtlUnZ1Qk01cVhMRVBFcm5WX3c&authkey=CIOag_UD&hl=en_US#gid=26 > ). > Luckily Z131 has now been borne out to be a genuine SNP thanks to the work > of the aforementioned researcher. > > Happy holidays, > Greg > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
At http://www.semargl.me/dna/ydna/item-snp/308/ you will find five L840+ - three P109+, one Z63+ and one L813+. There is no L840-, so I think your impression is right. Ole -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Chuck Thornton Sendt: 22. december 2011 14:45 Til: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Emne: [yDNAhgI] L840 Results in FTDNA Kit # 10677 - I1d1 Followup The SNP results for FTDNA Kit # 10677 (Y-search: PTHKK) reported L840+ This individual was previously L22+/P109+ Would it be possible to get a summary of the various results from the different individuals who recently tested for this SNP? FTDNA still has L840 as a subgroup of P109!?! I was under the impression that L840 had little value in further subdividing I1. Thanks! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Greg, could you just confirm whether the people who tested positive for Z131 could have been closely related to each other? Yours, Dora -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of G. Magoon Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:12 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z131 confirmed I'm pleased to convey news that the researcher responsible for the DF series of Y-SNPs has been able to confirm the Z131 variant (downstream of I-M253 and parallel to DF29); he tested DF29- samples for Z131 and found both ancestral and derived results (Z131- and Z131+). With the lack of derived Z131 results from FTDNA, I was starting to get concerned that this could be a spurious variant
I'm pleased to convey news that the researcher responsible for the DF series of Y-SNPs has been able to confirm the Z131 variant (downstream of I-M253 and parallel to DF29); he tested DF29- samples for Z131 and found both ancestral and derived results (Z131- and Z131+). With the lack of derived Z131 results from FTDNA, I was starting to get concerned that this could be a spurious variant. (Just to be clear, in case it wasn't apparent from my earlier postings: until a derived result is found with conventional Sanger sequencing, all the Z-SNPs are "candidate" variants and could be false positives due to next-gen sequencing errors; we make efforts to exclude the more dubious variants, but our screening isn't perfect. I try to keep track of the confirmed variants on the summary page of our collaborative spreadsheet at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Agq_ez43qXCjdFlxemtlUnZ1Qk01cVhMRVBFcm5WX3c&authkey=CIOag_UD&hl=en_US#gid=26). Luckily Z131 has now been borne out to be a genuine SNP thanks to the work of the aforementioned researcher. Happy holidays, Greg
Okay, I see. Thanks. Jane -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:23 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? see "Tree for I1" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Jane Miscavich Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:38 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? One other thing, am I I1-AS and what does that mean? Is there a chart or graph for this haplogroup that would tell me what it is? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:25 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1f I believe you have all the tests done at this point. You now just wait for further downstream snps to become available. L338+ indeed is your haplogroup; and Douglas is a good lowland Scot name like so many in L338+ -----Original Message----- From: Jane Miscavich Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 3:00 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? Ken, Would you suggest I request any Z SNPs or any others. I am 14070 or Ysearch J5tva. I am haplogroup I1f, I believe. Any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:48 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? L840 -----Original Message----- From: Mudary Mudary Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:41 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? Hi, Any SNP's for I1d1? Mudary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
One other thing, am I I1-AS and what does that mean? Is there a chart or graph for this haplogroup that would tell me what it is? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:25 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1f I believe you have all the tests done at this point. You now just wait for further downstream snps to become available. L338+ indeed is your haplogroup; and Douglas is a good lowland Scot name like so many in L338+ -----Original Message----- From: Jane Miscavich Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 3:00 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? Ken, Would you suggest I request any Z SNPs or any others. I am 14070 or Ysearch J5tva. I am haplogroup I1f, I believe. Any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:48 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? L840 -----Original Message----- From: Mudary Mudary Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:41 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? Hi, Any SNP's for I1d1? Mudary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Do we know anything about this confirmed Z131+ Geographical area of male line ancestry? Any STRs? Ethnicity of surname or database ethnicity identification? Birthday? -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:11 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z131 confirmed I'm pleased to convey news that the researcher responsible for the DF series of Y-SNPs has been able to confirm the Z131 variant (downstream of I-M253 and parallel to DF29); he tested DF29- samples for Z131 and found both ancestral and derived results (Z131- and Z131+). With the lack of derived Z131 results from FTDNA, I was starting to get concerned that this could be a spurious variant. (Just to be clear, in case it wasn't apparent from my earlier postings: until a derived result is found with conventional Sanger sequencing, all the Z-SNPs are "candidate" variants and could be false positives due to next-gen sequencing errors; we make efforts to exclude the more dubious variants, but our screening isn't perfect. I try to keep track of the confirmed variants on the summary page of our collaborative spreadsheet at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Agq_ez43qXCjdFlxemtlUnZ1Qk01cVhMRVBFcm5WX3c&authkey=CIOag_UD&hl=en_US#gid=26). Luckily Z131 has now been borne out to be a genuine SNP thanks to the work of the aforementioned researcher. Happy holidays, Greg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
see "Tree for I1" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Jane Miscavich Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:38 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? One other thing, am I I1-AS and what does that mean? Is there a chart or graph for this haplogroup that would tell me what it is? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:25 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1f I believe you have all the tests done at this point. You now just wait for further downstream snps to become available. L338+ indeed is your haplogroup; and Douglas is a good lowland Scot name like so many in L338+ -----Original Message----- From: Jane Miscavich Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 3:00 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? Ken, Would you suggest I request any Z SNPs or any others. I am 14070 or Ysearch J5tva. I am haplogroup I1f, I believe. Any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:48 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? L840 -----Original Message----- From: Mudary Mudary Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:41 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Any New SNP Tests for I1d1? Hi, Any SNP's for I1d1? Mudary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Given how similar are the haplotypes of P109+ I1d1, and the basic I1d haplotypes which are much more numerous, I am surprised we stumbled on another snp L840 so phyloequiv to P109. I'd expect there to be some intermediate populations which split these snps. -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:59 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] L840 Results in FTDNA Kit # 10677 - I1d1 Followup L840 seems presently phyloequiv to P109 as far as my data shows. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Thornton Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:45 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] L840 Results in FTDNA Kit # 10677 - I1d1 Followup The SNP results for FTDNA Kit # 10677 (Y-search: PTHKK) reported L840+ This individual was previously L22+/P109+ Would it be possible to get a summary of the various results from the different individuals who recently tested for this SNP? FTDNA still has L840 as a subgroup of P109!?! I was under the impression that L840 had little value in further subdividing I1. Thanks! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
L840 seems presently phyloequiv to P109 as far as my data shows. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Thornton Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:45 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] L840 Results in FTDNA Kit # 10677 - I1d1 Followup The SNP results for FTDNA Kit # 10677 (Y-search: PTHKK) reported L840+ This individual was previously L22+/P109+ Would it be possible to get a summary of the various results from the different individuals who recently tested for this SNP? FTDNA still has L840 as a subgroup of P109!?! I was under the impression that L840 had little value in further subdividing I1. Thanks! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message