A recent exchange on DNA-Forums. What do folks here think about the 'pecking order' for testing of I1-ASgenerics? FWIW my group is in Ken's group currently entitled AS-1212 on the 2/3/2012 version of his tree. Posted Today, 02:41 AM [image: View Post]<http://dna-forums.org/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=302565>Van Laar, on 08 February 2012 - 18:48 PM, said: So far L211 seems private or a family snp. I feel bad for all the people who ordered L211, but at the time of discovery there was no way to know how wide or narrow it was to be found. I had the same with S79. On the other hand I think that most of the I1-AS generic will turn out Z58+, only a small part Z63 (most of the Z63+ are I1- T2) and a very, very small part Z131. The split becomes more interesting at the Z59, Z60, Z138, Z139 level. Wimpy I1 AS-Generic + : M170 / M253 / M258 /M307 / P19 / P30 / P38 S79+ (private) - : M21 /M227 / P259 / P109 / L338 -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new!

L338+ is quite young --- about 2000 years or 66 generations. This makes chances of WTY finding snps which split L338+ smaller, but they are still non-zero. There is no magic bullet other than efficient snp discovery methods. One can expand to 111 markers and see how one clusters with others within L338+ which is sort of a quasi-historical haplogroup now, being so young. Ken -----Original Message----- From: alan & agnes tate Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 9:08 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] L338+ I'm L338+, which means I'm currently at the end of the SNP line. What is going to have to happen for us to find the SNP(s) that divide the L338+ people? >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I find it strange the happy birthday forum's discussion of the I1 z snps impact leaves out the quite robust fraction showing up negative for all three snps --- Z58, Z63, Z131. The AS1212 clade along with others seems to be of this population which remains I1* as of now. See "Tree for I1" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net However, AS1212 itself divides into two subclades. The one with 24/30/15 at 447, 449, 464d seems not to have had a member test yet for the three basic snps. There are of course a number of additional z snps FTDNA has not yet added to their catalog. We don't know how AS1212 will do with them. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Gene Prescott Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:56 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics A recent exchange on DNA-Forums. What do folks here think about the 'pecking order' for testing of I1-ASgenerics? FWIW my group is in Ken's group currently entitled AS-1212 on the 2/3/2012 version of his tree. Posted Today, 02:41 AM [image: View Post]<http://dna-forums.org/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=302565>Van Laar, on 08 February 2012 - 18:48 PM, said: So far L211 seems private or a family snp. I feel bad for all the people who ordered L211, but at the time of discovery there was no way to know how wide or narrow it was to be found. I had the same with S79. On the other hand I think that most of the I1-AS generic will turn out Z58+, only a small part Z63 (most of the Z63+ are I1- T2) and a very, very small part Z131. The split becomes more interesting at the Z59, Z60, Z138, Z139 level. Wimpy I1 AS-Generic + : M170 / M253 / M258 /M307 / P19 / P30 / P38 S79+ (private) - : M21 /M227 / P259 / P109 / L338 -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Logical next snps for Z58+ would be Z139 (or Z138) and Z59 (or Z60) -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:21 PM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] M253 Z58+ Hello. We've just tested positive for Z58. Does anyone know what SNP should be tested next? Recent ancestral origin believed to be Devon, England. Thanks. Marilyn Diamond FT 197085 Ysearch: QAZ6S ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Debbie 196787 could test L137.2 Of the 5 known L813+ two has tested this SNP - an uN2 positive and an uN9 negative. L137.2 could be private, but if it is not tested we will never know. Ole -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Debbie Demeester Sendt: 8. februar 2012 03:39 Til: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Emne: [yDNAhgI] SNP Results are in The results for kit 204984 which is currently AS Generic is Z58+ M253+ Z63- Z131- The results for kit 196787 which is currently I1d-uN2(L22+) is L813+ I haven't got a clue what it all means so if you can help me with that, please do. I'm happy to do more testing if that would be valuable. Just let me know! I'm definitely a novice at all this but I sure am enjoying it! Debbie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello. We've just tested positive for Z58. Does anyone know what SNP should be tested next? Recent ancestral origin believed to be Devon, England. Thanks. Marilyn Diamond FT 197085 Ysearch: QAZ6S

My result came in yesterday: Z58+ I tested Z63-, Z131-, Z139-, Z140-, L338- before. What to do next? Z59, Z60 or L211? Wim. Y-search:QG86J -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Kenneth Nordtvedt [mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Verzonden: woensdag 8 februari 2012 4:08 Aan: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNP Results are in The ASgeneric should do Z138 and Z59 The L813+ is at the end of the line for now. He is part of the I1-uN haplogroup. There are no more snps discovered yet on this branch. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Demeester Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 7:38 PM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNP Results are in The results for kit 204984 which is currently AS Generic is Z58+ M253+ Z63- Z131- The results for kit 196787 which is currently I1d-uN2(L22+) is L813+ I haven't got a clue what it all means so if you can help me with that, please do. I'm happy to do more testing if that would be valuable. Just let me know! I'm definitely a novice at all this but I sure am enjoying it! Debbie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Ken. I'll do that this week! ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] SNP Results are in The ASgeneric should do Z138 and Z59 The L813+ is at the end of the line for now. He is part of the I1-uN haplogroup. There are no more snps discovered yet on this branch. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Demeester Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 7:38 PM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNP Results are in The results for kit 204984 which is currently AS Generic is Z58+ M253+ Z63- Z131- The results for kit 196787 which is currently I1d-uN2(L22+) is L813+ I haven't got a clue what it all means so if you can help me with that, please do. I'm happy to do more testing if that would be valuable. Just let me know! I'm definitely a novice at all this but I sure am enjoying it! Debbie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The results for kit 204984 which is currently AS Generic is Z58+ M253+ Z63- Z131- The results for kit 196787 which is currently I1d-uN2(L22+) is L813+ I haven't got a clue what it all means so if you can help me with that, please do. I'm happy to do more testing if that would be valuable. Just let me know! I'm definitely a novice at all this but I sure am enjoying it! Debbie

The ASgeneric should do Z138 and Z59 The L813+ is at the end of the line for now. He is part of the I1-uN haplogroup. There are no more snps discovered yet on this branch. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Demeester Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 7:38 PM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNP Results are in The results for kit 204984 which is currently AS Generic is Z58+ M253+ Z63- Z131- The results for kit 196787 which is currently I1d-uN2(L22+) is L813+ I haven't got a clue what it all means so if you can help me with that, please do. I'm happy to do more testing if that would be valuable. Just let me know! I'm definitely a novice at all this but I sure am enjoying it! Debbie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Debby, Sorry for the delay with my reply. I have just asked dr Nordtvedt what he thinks about these results. He is an expert in these topics. Probably, tomorrow he will reply. Best, Marek -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Demeester Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:39 PM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] SNP Results are in The results for kit 204984 which is currently AS Generic is Z58+ M253+ Z63- Z131- The results for kit 196787 which is currently I1d-uN2(L22+) is L813+ I haven't got a clue what it all means so if you can help me with that, please do. I'm happy to do more testing if that would be valuable. Just let me know! I'm definitely a novice at all this but I sure am enjoying it! Debbie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4794 - Release Date: 02/07/12

I just received results for my L380 (negative, as you probably expected). Does this help anyone or anything? Is there any other test recommended at this point (and why)? My haplogroup is I1d1 or P109+ M253+ L22+ P259- M72- M227- M21- L380- L258-   Cheers, John

I've just ordered these SNPs for one of my I1-AS2 CORBINs (#143803): Z59, Z60, Z63, and Z140 The family has already proven positive for M170, M253, Z58, Z138, and Z139. Negative results are on the CORBIN project web page: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Corbin/CorbinDNA-results-HgI1.html#AS2 He's also a member of the Y-hap-I1 project, so his results are turning up there, too. Diana

Besides you, and the kit below you, everybody in that grouping is part of a 21-21/L803+ subclade, that should probably have their own grouping. I will probably do that tonight. The kit below you tested L803-. Steve On 2/6/2012 7:06 PM, Victor Jensen wrote: > Hello, > My new classification in the FTDNA YDNA results is ( Z60+ Not AS9). I noticed my STR markers are further off the mode in Z60+ than in AS9. > Of course there is a reason for this classification and, for my own information, could some one explain the difference. > > Thanks, Vic Jensen Kit N29579 Ysearch DM35M > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello, My new classification in the FTDNA YDNA results is ( Z60+ Not AS9). I noticed my STR markers are further off the mode in Z60+ than in AS9. Of course there is a reason for this classification and, for my own information, could some one explain the difference. Thanks, Vic Jensen Kit N29579 Ysearch DM35M

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I don't think it makes any sense to test snps further upstream. There are no Z snps downstream of M284. You could confirm that you are L369 and L137+, but I would not put high priority on that; it seems a good bet. L126+ L137+ L369+ Isles Scot haplogroup/clade is very young and your haplotype seems quite normal within it. Those three snps have been found phyloequivalent up until now after many tests. But that's not a guarantee for the future. -----Original Message----- From: William McReynolds Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:06 PM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] What SNP's I am kit 12835 with FTDNA and tested positive for M223, M284 & L126. I am presumed positive for many others. Should I test to prove positive for those SNP's or accept the assumption. I have not tested for any Z's or L369. Any suggestions? Bill McReynolds ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am kit 12835 with FTDNA and tested positive for M223, M284 & L126. I am presumed positive for many others. Should I test to prove positive for those SNP's or accept the assumption. I have not tested for any Z's or L369. Any suggestions? Bill McReynolds

Thanks Bernie. I uploaded my results from 23andMe. Unfortunately, my uncle who did the I Y DNA testing is now deceased. As I was told by one of the FTDNA reps, he would have to provide a new sample for autosomal testing. The swab can't be used. His haplogroup is the old I2b1a1. I did, however, order the test for L369 on Jan 20th. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Bernie Cullen Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 4:50 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] raw data from 23andMe I should have said "publicly viewable" not publicly available in my first sentence. FTDNA has made some of the 23andMe Y chromosome SNPs available for purchase. But when people transfer their 23andMe SNPs to FTDNA's Family Finder, the exact SNP results won't be visible by anyone except the person tested, not viewable by their matches, by their group administrators or by the public. And this is a good thing, for privacy at least. Bernie On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Bernie Cullen <berniecullen@gmail.com> wrote: > Linda, > > FTDNA allowing the upload of 23andMe SNPs won't be helpful, mainly > because FTDNA will not make these SNPs publicly available for good > reasons, and is unlikely to do special examination of these SNPs on > its own. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, Just ordered the Z60 on behalf of our bunch of 14 Harvey M253-AS6 group. We are proud to be part of the 14/22 cludge with the exception of our DYS447 = 21. Perhaps it was the stopover in Ulster that did it. All the best. Larry Harvey Kit#= 19860 y-Search = S3BHN