Ken Nordvedt posted: ....... The AS1212 clade along with others seems to be of this population which remains I1* as of now. See "Tree for I1" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net However, AS1212 itself divides into two subclades. The one with 24/30/15 at 447, 449, 464d seems not to have had a member test yet for the three basic snps. There are of course a number of additional z snps FTDNA has not yet added to their catalog. We don't know how AS1212 will do with them. Ken Gene Prescott observes: The following in my group (Prescott YDNA Project at FTDNA) have tested to 111: YSearch EYVZS; V24HZ; 3UZQX Beyond being 1212 we are also 20 at YCAIIb Of the above, so far, EYVZS is the only one of those three to SNP test: L338- and Z63- Additional SNPs, when available, that have potential to be informative will be tested. -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new!
Dear All As a follow up to adding surnames/geographic origins to SNP clusters for the I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ Project, I thought I would make some genetic distance comparisons over 67 and 111 markers between kit 64529 who is at the tip of a branch (L803+, L802+), and others in the Project (in blue text) on different SNP branches downstream of Z58, and also those on the Z63 branch. The tree with GD comparisons can be viewed here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32097634/I1-%20Z58%2B%20%26%20Z63%2B%20Project%20-%20SNP%20Tree%20GD%20Comparisons.pdf I’m still trying to process what I am seeing but if anyone has the time, I would appreciate some comment. I’ve put GD ranges for the longer lists. I was surprised that 64529 (outside of his own L803 cluster) had closer comparisons with the Z63+ column than with any on the Z58+ subgroups. As I understand it, the interclade node age of Z58 and Z63 is estimated to be 4,150 years (if that is still current). I’ve always checked YSearch to see who 64529 matches outside of the FTDNA threshold (for historical research purposes) and matches such as 67-13 – 67-18 are always considered for further exploration. Looking now at these Z58 and Z63 branches, I can see 64529 has matches of equal GD on both the Z58 and Z63 branches. If I didn’t now know 64529’s correct SNP branch, then these other ‘close’ matches would all be red herrings. I suppose this is telling me that possibly a large percentage of seemingly close matches at YSearch etc. are simply coincidences due to convergence. The flip side would then seem to be that some of those at a greater GD but with whom 64529 shares a series of SNPs, may actually be much more closely related than they seem. I’m still thinking this through but worried about the extent - how confident can we really be that a close match is really that, if we don’t personally test SNPs ourselves to ensure convergence is not an issue with our haplotypes? I may be worrying unnecessarily, so if anyone can help me understand a little better, I would sincerely appreciate it. Kindest regards Julie Frame Falk
You could be; I see also 463 = 20 for you. -----Original Message----- From: Victor Jensen Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:25 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Early North Scandinavian I1 clade/haplogroup? Hi Ken, I’m wondering if I might be part of this group. I'm off one number for DYS442(12 instead of 11) and DYS458 (15 instead of16) but 15 at DYS464d and 15 at DYS19. I'm Z60+ and Z140-. Vic Jensen Kit N29579 YSearch DM35M -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:47 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Early North Scandinavian I1 clade/haplogroup? I noticed a bunch of clades and clusters tonight which seem to be fitting together in their geography, strs, and snps. I sure wish we had more of this substantial complex who did the 68-111 set of strs. Their snp status seems to be Z60+ but Z140- It includes AS9 and AS16, but is more. L803+ branch line leaves this population quite early, but I have not done a node age estimate yet. Their geography seems more than usual amount of Scandinavian. Their str identifiers consist of DYS19 = 15 or 16, DYS442 = 11, DYS464d = 15, 458 = 16, and to some extent DYS463 = 20 Overall, this population looks relatively old back to its break up into multiple clusters; that’s why I wonder if it was one of the first I1 arriving populations into more northerly Scandinavia? Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi.I am kit 218282. I was I2a. My M26 results came back +, as expected from my Fant yDNA. The results of my L160 test are supposed to done by the end of March. I would expect it to be positive also. Bryan Shew, now I2a1 From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-request@rootsweb.com Subject: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:52:12 -0700 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: kenruud@gmail.com To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:28:52 +0100 Subject: [yDNAhgI] My Z-SNP results Hi just got back my test results for me a typical I1* generic kit 174815 Ysearch X7RV7 Z58- Z59- FTDNA resultsso far M253+ Z59- Z58- P259- P109- M72- M227- M21- L22- Best regards Ken --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: jdf4072@gmail.com To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:51:51 +1100 Subject: [yDNAhgI] GD Comparisons between SNP groups Dear All As a follow up to adding surnames/geographic origins to SNP clusters for the I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ Project, I thought I would make some genetic distance comparisons over 67 and 111 markers between kit 64529 who is at the tip of a branch (L803+, L802+), and others in the Project (in blue text) on different SNP branches downstream of Z58, and also those on the Z63 branch. The tree with GD comparisons can be viewed here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32097634/I1-%20Z58%2B%20%26%20Z63%2B%20Project%20-%20SNP%20Tree%20GD%20Comparisons.pdf I’m still trying to process what I am seeing but if anyone has the time, I would appreciate some comment. I’ve put GD ranges for the longer lists. I was surprised that 64529 (outside of his own L803 cluster) had closer comparisons with the Z63+ column than with any on the Z58+ subgroups. As I understand it, the interclade node age of Z58 and Z63 is estimated to be 4,150 years (if that is still current). I’ve always checked YSearch to see who 64529 matches outside of the FTDNA threshold (for historical research purposes) and matches such as 67-13 – 67-18 are always considered for further exploration. Looking now at these Z58 and Z63 branches, I can see 64529 has matches of equal GD on both the Z58 and Z63 branches. If I didn’t now know 64529’s correct SNP branch, then these other ‘close’ matches would all be red herrings. I suppose this is telling me that possibly a large percentage of seemingly close matches at YSearch etc. are simply coincidences due to convergence. The flip side would then seem to be that some of those at a greater GD but with whom 64529 shares a series of SNPs, may actually be much more closely related than they seem. I’m still thinking this through but worried about the extent - how confident can we really be that a close match is really that, if we don’t personally test SNPs ourselves to ensure convergence is not an issue with our haplotypes? I may be worrying unnecessarily, so if anyone can help me understand a little better, I would sincerely appreciate it. Kindest regards Julie Frame Falk --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: rjhaskins@qwest.net To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:37:29 -0600 Subject: [yDNAhgI] N5004 Latest SNP Test Results: AS2 - I1f2 Here are my latest results from FTDNA: Z58+ Z139+ Z138+ Z59- L338- Bob Haskins rjhaskins@qwest.net FTDNA #N5004 Ysearch 5ET8U AS2, I1f2 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net To: jdf4072@gmail.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:28:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] [DNA] GD Comparisons between SNP groups I noticed in your new project database there is a large number of haplotypes with M253>df29>.................. But DF29 is not in FTDNA catalog for sale (as of hour ago). So how do you know they are DF29+? Presumption? Probably if you are going to add all that preamble to all the haplotypes, you should use red and green or something similar to separate "tested" from "presumed"? -----Original Message----- From: Julie Frame Falk Dear All As a follow up to adding surnames/geographic origins to SNP clusters for the I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ Project, I thought I would make some genetic distance comparisons over 67 and 111 markers between kit 64529 who is at the tip of a branch (L803+, L802+), and others in the Project (in blue text) on different SNP branches downstream of Z58, and also those on the Z63 branch. The tree with GD comparisons can be viewed here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32097634/I1-%20Z58%2B%20%26%20Z63%2B%20Project%20-%20SNP%20Tree%20GD%20Comparisons.pdf I’m still trying to process what I am seeing but if anyone has the time, I would appreciate some comment. I’ve put GD ranges for the longer lists. I was surprised that 64529 (outside of his own L803 cluster) had closer comparisons with the Z63+ column than with any on the Z58+ subgroups. As I understand it, the interclade node age of Z58 and Z63 is estimated to be 4,150 years (if that is still current). I’ve always checked YSearch to see who 64529 matches outside of the FTDNA threshold (for historical research purposes) and matches such as 67-13 – 67-18 are always considered for further exploration. Looking now at these Z58 and Z63 branches, I can see 64529 has matches of equal GD on both the Z58 and Z63 branches. If I didn’t now know 64529’s correct SNP branch, then these other ‘close’ matches would all be red herrings. I suppose this is telling me that possibly a large percentage of seemingly close matches at YSearch etc. are simply coincidences due to convergence. The flip side would then seem to be that some of those at a greater GD but with whom 64529 shares a series of SNPs, may actually be much more closely related than they seem. I’m still thinking this through but worried about the extent - how confident can we really be that a close match is really that, if we don’t personally test SNPs ourselves to ensure convergence is not an issue with our haplotypes? I may be worrying unnecessarily, so if anyone can help me understand a little better, I would sincerely appreciate it. Kindest regards Julie Frame Falk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:39:09 -0700 Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z63+ and Z58-Z63- I have record of 22 haplotypes which tested Z63+; 17 of them are in the T2 clade, only 5 apparently outside of T2. There is a substantial Z58- Z63- Z131- population --- presently still I1* by formal name --- outside of the several clades Z58- Z63- Z131- This generic I1* population looks to have a TMRCA of 4100 years by variance estimate. The Z58+ population carries the bulk of I1xL22, but it divides into a number of different and interesting branches. FTDNA will hopefully someday put some more Z series snps into its catalog, along with DF29 which is a very interesting upstream I1 snp. --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: bill4csa@bellsouth.net To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:52:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] What SNP's Ken I followed yor suggestion and ordered l369 and L137. When prdering L137 they also had L1371 and L1372. Should I do anything with these SNP 's yet or wait. Bill McReynolds -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:31 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] What SNP's I don't think it makes any sense to test snps further upstream. There are no Z snps downstream of M284. You could confirm that you are L369 and L137+, but I would not put high priority on that; it seems a good bet. I am kit 12835 with FTDNA and tested positive for M223, M284 & L126. I am presumed positive for many others. Should I test to prove positive for those SNP's or accept the assumption. I have not tested for any Z's or L369. Any suggestions? Bill McReynolds ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I noticed a bunch of clades and clusters tonight which seem to be fitting together in their geography, strs, and snps. I sure wish we had more of this substantial complex who did the 68-111 set of strs. Their snp status seems to be Z60+ but Z140- It includes AS9 and AS16, but is more. L803+ branch line leaves this population quite early, but I have not done a node age estimate yet. Their geography seems more than usual amount of Scandinavian. Their str identifiers consist of DYS19 = 15 or 16, DYS442 = 11, DYS464d = 15, 458 = 16, and to some extent DYS463 = 20 Overall, this population looks relatively old back to its break up into multiple clusters; that’s why I wonder if it was one of the first I1 arriving populations into more northerly Scandinavia? Ken
When will DF29 be available for testing? Let's see if my brother manages to test negative for THAT. Dora
Hi Ken, I’m wondering if I might be part of this group. I'm off one number for DYS442(12 instead of 11) and DYS458 (15 instead of16) but 15 at DYS464d and 15 at DYS19. I'm Z60+ and Z140-. Vic Jensen Kit N29579 YSearch DM35M -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:47 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Early North Scandinavian I1 clade/haplogroup? I noticed a bunch of clades and clusters tonight which seem to be fitting together in their geography, strs, and snps. I sure wish we had more of this substantial complex who did the 68-111 set of strs. Their snp status seems to be Z60+ but Z140- It includes AS9 and AS16, but is more. L803+ branch line leaves this population quite early, but I have not done a node age estimate yet. Their geography seems more than usual amount of Scandinavian. Their str identifiers consist of DYS19 = 15 or 16, DYS442 = 11, DYS464d = 15, 458 = 16, and to some extent DYS463 = 20 Overall, this population looks relatively old back to its break up into multiple clusters; that’s why I wonder if it was one of the first I1 arriving populations into more northerly Scandinavia? Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Julie and I would love to solve this T2/not T2 mystery with the help of the WTY program. Hopefully our project will keep on growing so we can realize this goal soon. Z63+ individuals, please join us!!! DF29 is indeed interesting. At the moment, the only information we have on it comes from the 1000 Genome Project volunteers, so we are relying on that info. FT DNA should add these new SNP's to their catalog immediately after they are done remodeling their lab and storage spaces. We certainly hope that gets finished soon so we can continue to progress in our SNP research. Aaron Torres From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z63+ and Z58-Z63- Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:39:09 -0700 I have record of 22 haplotypes which tested Z63+; 17 of them are in the T2 clade, only 5 apparently outside of T2. (...) FTDNA will hopefully someday put some more Z series snps into its catalog, along with DF29 which is a very interesting upstream I1 snp.
Ken I followed yor suggestion and ordered l369 and L137. When prdering L137 they also had L1371 and L1372. Should I do anything with these SNP 's yet or wait. Bill McReynolds -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:31 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] What SNP's I don't think it makes any sense to test snps further upstream. There are no Z snps downstream of M284. You could confirm that you are L369 and L137+, but I would not put high priority on that; it seems a good bet. I am kit 12835 with FTDNA and tested positive for M223, M284 & L126. I am presumed positive for many others. Should I test to prove positive for those SNP's or accept the assumption. I have not tested for any Z's or L369. Any suggestions? Bill McReynolds ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Certainly not! L1371 and L1372 are other snps. Only the nature of the search process brings them up when searching for L137. I have been fooled by the "search process" myself. -----Original Message----- From: William McReynolds Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 3:52 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] What SNP's Ken I followed yor suggestion and ordered l369 and L137. When prdering L137 they also had L1371 and L1372. Should I do anything with these SNP 's yet or wait. Bill McReynolds -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:31 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] What SNP's I don't think it makes any sense to test snps further upstream. There are no Z snps downstream of M284. You could confirm that you are L369 and L137+, but I would not put high priority on that; it seems a good bet. I am kit 12835 with FTDNA and tested positive for M223, M284 & L126. I am presumed positive for many others. Should I test to prove positive for those SNP's or accept the assumption. I have not tested for any Z's or L369. Any suggestions? Bill McReynolds ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have record of 22 haplotypes which tested Z63+; 17 of them are in the T2 clade, only 5 apparently outside of T2. There is a substantial Z58- Z63- Z131- population --- presently still I1* by formal name --- outside of the several clades Z58- Z63- Z131- This generic I1* population looks to have a TMRCA of 4100 years by variance estimate. The Z58+ population carries the bulk of I1xL22, but it divides into a number of different and interesting branches. FTDNA will hopefully someday put some more Z series snps into its catalog, along with DF29 which is a very interesting upstream I1 snp.
I noticed in your new project database there is a large number of haplotypes with M253>df29>.................. But DF29 is not in FTDNA catalog for sale (as of hour ago). So how do you know they are DF29+? Presumption? Probably if you are going to add all that preamble to all the haplotypes, you should use red and green or something similar to separate "tested" from "presumed"? -----Original Message----- From: Julie Frame Falk Dear All As a follow up to adding surnames/geographic origins to SNP clusters for the I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ Project, I thought I would make some genetic distance comparisons over 67 and 111 markers between kit 64529 who is at the tip of a branch (L803+, L802+), and others in the Project (in blue text) on different SNP branches downstream of Z58, and also those on the Z63 branch. The tree with GD comparisons can be viewed here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32097634/I1-%20Z58%2B%20%26%20Z63%2B%20Project%20-%20SNP%20Tree%20GD%20Comparisons.pdf I’m still trying to process what I am seeing but if anyone has the time, I would appreciate some comment. I’ve put GD ranges for the longer lists. I was surprised that 64529 (outside of his own L803 cluster) had closer comparisons with the Z63+ column than with any on the Z58+ subgroups. As I understand it, the interclade node age of Z58 and Z63 is estimated to be 4,150 years (if that is still current). I’ve always checked YSearch to see who 64529 matches outside of the FTDNA threshold (for historical research purposes) and matches such as 67-13 – 67-18 are always considered for further exploration. Looking now at these Z58 and Z63 branches, I can see 64529 has matches of equal GD on both the Z58 and Z63 branches. If I didn’t now know 64529’s correct SNP branch, then these other ‘close’ matches would all be red herrings. I suppose this is telling me that possibly a large percentage of seemingly close matches at YSearch etc. are simply coincidences due to convergence. The flip side would then seem to be that some of those at a greater GD but with whom 64529 shares a series of SNPs, may actually be much more closely related than they seem. I’m still thinking this through but worried about the extent - how confident can we really be that a close match is really that, if we don’t personally test SNPs ourselves to ensure convergence is not an issue with our haplotypes? I may be worrying unnecessarily, so if anyone can help me understand a little better, I would sincerely appreciate it. Kindest regards Julie Frame Falk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
My brother and his Y DNA clone have tested everything and they're negative for everything. Dora ---
Here are my latest results from FTDNA: Z58+ Z139+ Z138+ Z59- L338- Bob Haskins rjhaskins@qwest.net FTDNA #N5004 Ysearch 5ET8U AS2, I1f2
Hi just got back my test results for me a typical I1* generic kit 174815 Ysearch X7RV7 Z58- Z59- FTDNA resultsso far M253+ Z59- Z58- P259- P109- M72- M227- M21- L22- Best regards Ken
Dear All On Feb 3, my fellow Group Admin, Aaron Salles Torres wrote: <<We would like to encourage all who have tested positive for Z58, Z63 and/or their downstream SNP's to join: L338, L573, L592, L802, L803, Z138, Z139, Z140, Z141, Z382, Z58, Z59, Z60, Z61, Z62, Z63, Z73. If you belong to the T2 subgroup of I1 (known to be Z63+), you are also welcome to become a member. Needless to say, if you are I1 "AS-generic" and haven't yet tested for Z58 and Z63, we urge you to do so. As our project naturally grows, we will continue to aim at the discovery of new SNP's. In fact, we should start a Z63 WTY campaign shortly, and hope to officially establish various Z63 (T2) subgroups through new SNP's. Other WTY initiatives should follow. To learn more about the new "I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+" project and join our efforts, you may find us at the following address: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/2121/default.aspx .>> We are quickly moving forward with this Project and anxious to begin a campaign for additional WTY. I have temporarily added a diagram that I will informally dub a ‘Surname SNP Tree’ to my Dropbox folder. This file was updated today: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32097634/I1-%20Z58%2B%20%26%20Z63%2B%20Project%20-%20Surname%20SNP%20Tree%20-%209%20Feb%202012.pdf If the link doesn’t transmit, please copy and paste into your browser. If you have not already joined this new project, I would particularly like to invite the owners of the kit numbers/surnames shown on this ‘Surname SNP Tree’ to join us. We would like to have your haplotypes posted with the others in the relevant SNP groups. One of the reasons for the diagram is to help our members intuitively know which SNP (If available at FTDNA) they should test next. To join the I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ Project: 1. Log into your personal page at Family Tree DNA 2. Under My Projects in the left column click ‘Join Projects’ 3. Scroll down to ‘Y-DNA Haplogroup Projects’ and click ‘I (11)’ 4. Under Matching Projects click ‘I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+’ 5. On the next page click the yellow ‘Join’ button A private mailing list at Yahoo is attached to the Project. If you join the Project, but do not wish to be added to the mailing list, please send me a quick email off-list. Many thanks in advance! Kindest regards Julie Frame Falk (Group Admin) __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: a.. New Members 1 a.. New Files 1 Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use. __,_._,___
Of course. I forgot to mention those negative for all Z snps, but in the database I looked at, 55 % were Z58+, 18 % Z63+, 2 % Z131+ and 25 % negative for all. Wim -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Kenneth Nordtvedt [mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Verzonden: donderdag 9 februari 2012 17:17 Aan: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics I find it strange the happy birthday forum's discussion of the I1 z snps impact leaves out the quite robust fraction showing up negative for all three snps --- Z58, Z63, Z131. The AS1212 clade along with others seems to be of this population which remains I1* as of now. See "Tree for I1" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net However, AS1212 itself divides into two subclades. The one with 24/30/15 at 447, 449, 464d seems not to have had a member test yet for the three basic snps. There are of course a number of additional z snps FTDNA has not yet added to their catalog. We don't know how AS1212 will do with them. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Gene Prescott Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:56 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics A recent exchange on DNA-Forums. What do folks here think about the 'pecking order' for testing of I1-ASgenerics? FWIW my group is in Ken's group currently entitled AS-1212 on the 2/3/2012 version of his tree. Posted Today, 02:41 AM [image: View Post]<http://dna-forums.org/index.php?app=forums&module=forums§ion=findp ost&pid=302565>Van Laar, on 08 February 2012 - 18:48 PM, said: So far L211 seems private or a family snp. I feel bad for all the people who ordered L211, but at the time of discovery there was no way to know how wide or narrow it was to be found. I had the same with S79. On the other hand I think that most of the I1-AS generic will turn out Z58+, only a small part Z63 (most of the Z63+ are I1- T2) and a very, Z58+very small part Z131. The split becomes more interesting at the Z59, Z60, Z138, Z139 level. Wimpy I1 AS-Generic + : M170 / M253 / M258 /M307 / P19 / P30 / P38 S79+ (private) - : M21 /M227 / P259 / P109 / L338 -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Who, Who, Who was the Z131+ ? That's the real news in my eyes. Exciting that one was found. I think your 25 percent negative for all three looks about right. It depends on whether you count clade folks or just generic folks. -----Original Message----- From: Wim Callewaert Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:01 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics Of course. I forgot to mention those negative for all Z snps, but in the database I looked at, 55 % were Z58+, 18 % Z63+, 2 % Z131+ and 25 % negative for all. Wim -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Kenneth Nordtvedt [mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Verzonden: donderdag 9 februari 2012 17:17 Aan: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics I find it strange the happy birthday forum's discussion of the I1 z snps impact leaves out the quite robust fraction showing up negative for all three snps --- Z58, Z63, Z131. The AS1212 clade along with others seems to be of this population which remains I1* as of now. See "Tree for I1" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net However, AS1212 itself divides into two subclades. The one with 24/30/15 at 447, 449, 464d seems not to have had a member test yet for the three basic snps. There are of course a number of additional z snps FTDNA has not yet added to their catalog. We don't know how AS1212 will do with them. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Gene Prescott Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:56 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics A recent exchange on DNA-Forums. What do folks here think about the 'pecking order' for testing of I1-ASgenerics? FWIW my group is in Ken's group currently entitled AS-1212 on the 2/3/2012 version of his tree. Posted Today, 02:41 AM [image: View Post]<http://dna-forums.org/index.php?app=forums&module=forums§ion=findp ost&pid=302565>Van Laar, on 08 February 2012 - 18:48 PM, said: So far L211 seems private or a family snp. I feel bad for all the people who ordered L211, but at the time of discovery there was no way to know how wide or narrow it was to be found. I had the same with S79. On the other hand I think that most of the I1-AS generic will turn out Z58+, only a small part Z63 (most of the Z63+ are I1- T2) and a very, Z58+very small part Z131. The split becomes more interesting at the Z59, Z60, Z138, Z139 level. Wimpy I1 AS-Generic + : M170 / M253 / M258 /M307 / P19 / P30 / P38 S79+ (private) - : M21 /M227 / P259 / P109 / L338 -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Someone was finally found who is positive for Z131? Dora --- On Thu, 2/9/12, Wim Callewaert <callmewimpy@telenet.be> wrote: From: Wim Callewaert <callmewimpy@telenet.be> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, February 9, 2012, 2:01 PM Of course. I forgot to mention those negative for all Z snps, but in the database I looked at, 55 % were Z58+, 18 % Z63+, 2 % Z131+ and 25 % negative for all. Wim
I'm L338+, which means I'm currently at the end of the SNP line. What is going to have to happen for us to find the SNP(s) that divide the L338+ people? >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message