I have recently transferred in to FTDNA my original Relative Genetics/Ancestry test and upgraded from 37 to 67 markers. I am I1-AS (generic) according to the data, with a recommendation to order Z58 and Z63. Would you advise that I go ahead and do this, or are there any other additional tests that I should consider? Any suggestions welcomed! KIt No: B1292 YSearch: VPCVT Regards, Stuart

Friday I ordered Z139 and Z59 SNP tests for myself. AS2 I believe. Kit no. 150758 (Bridges DNA project) Www.bridgesdna.com Ysearch. YNH89

Yes, there is a Bridges haplotype of 67 markers in the AS2 collection. Let us know if you confirm Z139+? -----Original Message----- From: Arlis Bridges Jr. Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:17 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Ordered Z139 and Z59. Friday I ordered Z139 and Z59 SNP tests for myself. AS2 I believe. Kit no. 150758 (Bridges DNA project) Www.bridgesdna.com Ysearch. YNH89 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I finally did do some tmrca estimates by variance for the AS9/AS16 complex and your L803 Estimated age for node where your L803 line separates from AS9/AS16 complex line to be slightly more than 3000 years ago. Estimated age for tmrca of AS9/AS16 complex to be slightly more than 2000 years ago. Your L803+ is much younger. I think this all shows now on my revised "Tree for I1" which is online. -----Original Message----- From: Roy Silfven Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:19 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Early North Scandinavian I1 clade/haplogroup? Ken ~ Thanks once again for your work in helping (me) to better understand this HG stuff. You said: "Their snp status seems to be Z60+ but Z140- It includes AS9 and AS16, but is more. L803+ branch line leaves this population quite early, but I have not done a node age estimate yet. Their geography seems more than usual amount of Scandinavian. Their str identifiers consist of DYS19 = 15 or 16, DYS442 = 11, DYS464d = 15, 458 = 16, and t o some extent DYS463 = 20 Overall, this population looks relatively old back to its break up into multiple clusters; that’s why I wonder if it was one of the first I1 arriving populations into more northerly Scandinavia?" I'm Kit 154151 (y-Search MUZGY) Z60+ Z140- L803-, and I think I'm in this group although I'm DYS463=21. I've been actively encouraging a couple from this bunch to do some other testing, both STR and SNP and wonder what suggestion/direction you might give? My own genealogy research back to c. 1450 at Åland Islands includes speculation of migration from the Northern Baltic shore (perhaps the area now know as Germany) to perhaps from what is now Sweden before 1000 CE, . This is surely much to late for any help in better understanding "the first arriving populations into northerly Scandinavia." I'm biting my nails to a nub waiting for Z73. Roy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marilyn <<Julie, Do you have a virus on your computer? My cousin, who is the participant for the dna testing, has just notified me that he's getting a lot of emails from FTDNA. Apparently they're saying "Dear Julie">> I surely hope not, Marilyn - it's a fairly new computer and virus detection is not picking up anything. Marilyn, if your cousin recently joined our new I1>Z58 and I1>Z63 Project at FTDNA, we automatically add new participants to our private Mailing List. This is explained on our website and also when they receive a confirmation from Yahoo that they have been added. There is also a link to opt out (unsubscribe) if they wish. We've found this works better than sending invitations which some folk either get confused with, or don't like filling in a Yahoo profile. Via our Mailing List, your cousin will very likely find he receives emails that are addressed to 'Dear Julie', and also to other folk, as the case may be. Posts and Replies go to all members. I suspect this may be what he is receiving. I've not had anyone else say they suspect a virus and a large volume of email is dealt with daily. I will run another check using a different anti-virus program just to be sure, though! Kindest regards Julie

Ken ~ Thanks once again for your work in helping (me) to better understand this HG stuff. You said: "Their snp status seems to be Z60+ but Z140- It includes AS9 and AS16, but is more. L803+ branch line leaves this population quite early, but I have not done a node age estimate yet. Their geography seems more than usual amount of Scandinavian. Their str identifiers consist of DYS19 = 15 or 16, DYS442 = 11, DYS464d = 15, 458 = 16, and t o some extent DYS463 = 20 Overall, this population looks relatively old back to its break up into multiple clusters; that’s why I wonder if it was one of the first I1 arriving populations into more northerly Scandinavia?" I'm Kit 154151 (y-Search MUZGY) Z60+ Z140- L803-, and I think I'm in this group although I'm DYS463=21. I've been actively encouraging a couple from this bunch to do some other testing, both STR and SNP and wonder what suggestion/direction you might give? My own genealogy research back to c. 1450 at Åland Islands includes speculation of migration from the Northern Baltic shore (perhaps the area now know as Germany) to perhaps from what is now Sweden before 1000 CE, . This is surely much to late for any help in better understanding "the first arriving populations into northerly Scandinavia." I'm biting my nails to a nub waiting for Z73. Roy

Please do not post such messages to the list. If you have technical questions or concerns, please write to the administrator via y-dna-haplogroup-i-admin@rootsweb.com. Aaron, List Admin ________________________________ From: Marilyn <pilking@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] GD Comparisons between SNP groups Julie, Do you have a virus on your computer?  My cousin, who is the participant for the dna testing, has just notified me that he's getting a lot of emails from FTDNA.  Apparently they're saying "Dear Julie". Marilyn

I found a second Z58+ within I1-EE, so it seems solid -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:07 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z snps for I1-EE???? OK, I will do that. -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:05 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z snps for I1-EE???? Fisher is Z58+; that's good enough for me. We should move on from there to downstream snps. -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:59 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z snps for I1-EE???? OK, I will ask some of them to order the tests. Who of them already is Z58+? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:53 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z snps for I1-EE???? We need some bonified members of I1-EE to test for Z138, Z59, etc. We have confirmed this clade is Z58+ 426=10 389 =12/29 447 = 22 464 = 12/14/14/15 442 = 13 444 = 14 identifies I1-EE. It’s heartland seems to be Austria, CZ, Slovenia, Hungary....... and beyond. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4805 - Release Date: 02/12/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4805 - Release Date: 02/12/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fisher is Z58+; that's good enough for me. We should move on from there to downstream snps. -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:59 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z snps for I1-EE???? OK, I will ask some of them to order the tests. Who of them already is Z58+? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:53 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z snps for I1-EE???? We need some bonified members of I1-EE to test for Z138, Z59, etc. We have confirmed this clade is Z58+ 426=10 389 =12/29 447 = 22 464 = 12/14/14/15 442 = 13 444 = 14 identifies I1-EE. It’s heartland seems to be Austria, CZ, Slovenia, Hungary....... and beyond. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4805 - Release Date: 02/12/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We need some bonified members of I1-EE to test for Z138, Z59, etc. We have confirmed this clade is Z58+ 426=10 389 =12/29 447 = 22 464 = 12/14/14/15 442 = 13 444 = 14 identifies I1-EE. It’s heartland seems to be Austria, CZ, Slovenia, Hungary....... and beyond.

OK, I will do that. -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:05 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z snps for I1-EE???? Fisher is Z58+; that's good enough for me. We should move on from there to downstream snps. -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:59 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z snps for I1-EE???? OK, I will ask some of them to order the tests. Who of them already is Z58+? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:53 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z snps for I1-EE???? We need some bonified members of I1-EE to test for Z138, Z59, etc. We have confirmed this clade is Z58+ 426=10 389 =12/29 447 = 22 464 = 12/14/14/15 442 = 13 444 = 14 identifies I1-EE. It’s heartland seems to be Austria, CZ, Slovenia, Hungary....... and beyond. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4805 - Release Date: 02/12/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4805 - Release Date: 02/12/12

OK, I will ask some of them to order the tests. Who of them already is Z58+? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:53 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z snps for I1-EE???? We need some bonified members of I1-EE to test for Z138, Z59, etc. We have confirmed this clade is Z58+ 426=10 389 =12/29 447 = 22 464 = 12/14/14/15 442 = 13 444 = 14 identifies I1-EE. It’s heartland seems to be Austria, CZ, Slovenia, Hungary....... and beyond. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4805 - Release Date: 02/12/12

Julie, Do you have a virus on your computer? My cousin, who is the participant for the dna testing, has just notified me that he's getting a lot of emails from FTDNA. Apparently they're saying "Dear Julie". Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Frame Falk" <jdf4072@gmail.com> To: <genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>; "Y-DNA Haplogroup I" <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:51 AM Subject: [yDNAhgI] GD Comparisons between SNP groups > Dear All > > As a follow up to adding surnames/geographic origins to SNP clusters for > the I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ Project, I thought I would make some genetic > distance comparisons over 67 and 111 markers between kit 64529 who is at > the tip of a branch (L803+, L802+), and others in the Project (in blue > text) on different SNP branches downstream of Z58, and also those on the > Z63 branch. The tree with GD comparisons can be viewed here: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32097634/I1-%20Z58%2B%20%26%20Z63%2B%20Project%20-%20SNP%20Tree%20GD%20Comparisons.pdf > > I’m still trying to process what I am seeing but if anyone has the time, I > would appreciate some comment. I’ve put GD ranges for the longer lists. > I was surprised that 64529 (outside of his own L803 cluster) had closer > comparisons with the Z63+ column than with any on the Z58+ subgroups. As I > understand it, the interclade node age of Z58 and Z63 is estimated to be > 4,150 years (if that is still current). I’ve always checked YSearch to > see who 64529 matches outside of the FTDNA threshold (for historical > research purposes) and matches such as 67-13 – 67-18 are always considered > for further exploration. Looking now at these Z58 and Z63 branches, I can > see 64529 has matches of equal GD on both the Z58 and Z63 branches. If I > didn’t now know 64529’s correct SNP branch, then these other ‘close’ > matches would all be red herrings. I suppose this is telling me that > possibly a large percentage of seemingly close matches at YSearch etc. are > simply coincidences due to convergence. The flip side would then seem to > be that some of those at a greater GD but with whom 64529 shares a series > of SNPs, may actually be much more closely related than they seem. I’m > still thinking this through but worried about the extent - how confident > can we really be that a close match is really that, if we don’t personally > test SNPs ourselves to ensure convergence is not an issue with our > haplotypes? I may be worrying unnecessarily, so if anyone can help me > understand a little better, I would sincerely appreciate it. > > Kindest regards > Julie Frame Falk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kit # 99448 and Y-Search RDQ7Y Z58- Z63+

Wil, Thanks for the reminder, I just emailed one of those fellows and I hope he will test Z106 as a first step, then we can try some of the other Z-SNPs. There are several other Spanish-ancestry people who are likely Z106+ I need to contact them too. Bernie > > Have any of those Puerto Rican fellows tested for more of the Z-SNPs? I > surely like to see their results. > > I'll take a look at the dna.ancestry.com site and add my stuff. > > Wil > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- ---I read every email but I'm not always able to respond immediately. If you think you've been waiting too long for a reply, please, email me again at berniecullen@gmail.com--

Bernie, This could be very interesting if the Spanish ancestry guys do test positive for Z106 and then test for the other Z-SNPs. I found that my Y-DNA results are already posted on dna.ancestry.com. The old memory failed me again! I was trying to add my mtDNA results but ran into site maintenance and will try again later. Wil -----Original Message----- From: Bernie Cullen Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:45 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] M26+ results, DNA groups at dna.ancesty.com Wil, Thanks for the reminder, I just emailed one of those fellows and I hope he will test Z106 as a first step, then we can try some of the other Z-SNPs. There are several other Spanish-ancestry people who are likely Z106+ I need to contact them too. Bernie > > Have any of those Puerto Rican fellows tested for more of the Z-SNPs? I > surely like to see their results. > > I'll take a look at the dna.ancestry.com site and add my stuff. > > Wil

Bryan, No one has responded to you as far as I can tell, a while back I asked I2a (I-P37.2) people on this list to contact me and there weren't very many here. You might have better luck at the I2a group at dna.ancestry.com, you can create an account there and enter your marker values (some will need to be converted, maybe they do this automatically) and join the I2a Project there. If you post a question or story there you will be more likely to get a response. This is completely free, no credit card info or trial period required. As you say you are now I2a1 according to FTDNA and very likely will be called I2a1b when you receive L160+ results. Some people on this list use a newer tree, so don't be surprised if you see discussions about I2a1b that don't seem to have much to do with your I-L160 "Sardinian" group. I think your Y-DNA testing has been very successful and I don't seethe need for more tests because one of your distant Fant relatives has Z128- results and another has 67 markers. For studying the branching of your I-L160 group thousands of years ago I would interested in one of you testing 111 markers, but it would be cheapest for the guy with 67 markers to do this. Although a Fant is Z128- there is a very small chance that the Fant family would be positive for one or more of Z119 Z125 Z126 Z127 and either you or any of your Fant matches could test these. But I think the best thing would be to wait a few months or more for more results from the 1000 Genomes project to be released. I am optimistic that there will be more I-L160 results which will find new Z-SNPs worth testing. On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Bryan Shew <bryanshew@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi.I am kit 218282. I was I2a. My M26 results came back +, as expected from my Fant yDNA. The results of my L160 test are supposed to done by the end of March. I would expect it to be positive also. > Bryan Shew, now I2a1

Actually, the Z58- Z63- Z131- I1xL22 population is quite large. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 11:41 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] My Z-SNP results My brother and his Y DNA clone have tested everything and they're negative for everything. Dora

Bernie, Have any of those Puerto Rican fellows tested for more of the Z-SNPs? I surely like to see their results. I'll take a look at the dna.ancestry.com site and add my stuff. Wil

False alarm, Dora. The three Z131+ I counted in that database were those of the 1000 genomes project, you mentioned before here at this forum. Sorry fort hat misunderstanding. Wim -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Dora Smith [mailto:tiggernut24@yahoo.com] Verzonden: donderdag 9 februari 2012 22:14 Aan: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics Someone was finally found who is positive for Z131? Dora --- On Thu, 2/9/12, Wim Callewaert <callmewimpy@telenet.be> wrote: From: Wim Callewaert <callmewimpy@telenet.be> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, February 9, 2012, 2:01 PM Of course. I forgot to mention those negative for all Z snps, but in the database I looked at, 55 % were Z58+, 18 % Z63+, 2 % Z131+ and 25 % negative for all. Wim