I did not have Pauls e-mail but do have a copy of McReynolds A Noble Clan that he produced. It is in PDF format and if you would like a copy I can let you have a copy for $10.00, he charged me $15.00. If interested let me know. Bill -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Threadgill Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:00 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results Since I am one of those in the Limbo group should I be testing something else? Linda -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:28 PM To: Rossa Mullen ; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results L369 is available under "advanced tests" Don't go to advanced snp tests. FTDNA likes to trick people at their ordering site. But many people who are L126 have ordered L369, and so far it has been found phyloequivalent, including a test by a Limbo person or two. So I don't give it high priority for anyone unless your extended haplotype shows you are a real outlier in Scot clade L126+ -----Original Message----- From: Rossa Mullen Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:19 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results I'm I2b1a1, L126 also. I don;t see L369 available for test. I thought it was a case where if you're positive for L126 you're presumed positive for L369. ________________________________ From: Linda Threadgill <llt1948@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results Ken, The results for the L369 SNP test for McKenzie are in. The results were positive for L369. Prior to doing this test the FTDNA haplogroup designation was I2b1a1. Has the test results changed this? Also, is there another test that should be ordered? Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There isn't anything else to test at the moment for Limbo or Scot clades ogf L126 -----Original Message----- From: Linda Threadgill Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:59 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results Since I am one of those in the Limbo group should I be testing something else? Linda -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:28 PM To: Rossa Mullen ; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results L369 is available under "advanced tests" Don't go to advanced snp tests. FTDNA likes to trick people at their ordering site. But many people who are L126 have ordered L369, and so far it has been found phyloequivalent, including a test by a Limbo person or two. So I don't give it high priority for anyone unless your extended haplotype shows you are a real outlier in Scot clade L126+ -----Original Message----- From: Rossa Mullen Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:19 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results I'm I2b1a1, L126 also. I don;t see L369 available for test. I thought it was a case where if you're positive for L126 you're presumed positive for L369. ________________________________ From: Linda Threadgill <llt1948@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results Ken, The results for the L369 SNP test for McKenzie are in. The results were positive for L369. Prior to doing this test the FTDNA haplogroup designation was I2b1a1. Has the test results changed this? Also, is there another test that should be ordered? Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The paper and supplementary data are all free: http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/n6/full/ejhg2008249a.html http://tinyurl.com/84yr6jr In table S1 they give the I-P37.2* haplotypes, the one from Albania has DYS388=9 and is probably the I-P37.2*-France group. Ken asked why I said "most" of old I-P37.2* with DYS388=15 is L233+. My answer is a small amount is L233-, this is the closely related "Alpine" group. In table S2 they list the I-M423 haplotypes, it's hard to tell if the I-M359 (I-P41) haplotypes are part of these. I don't see the I-M26 or other kinds of I haplotypes. Bernie On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernie Cullen > > This paper by Battaglia (2008) was briefly discussed here in 2009 (see > old posts below) and mentioned again recently on dna-forums.org and I > took a look. Not only did they find three P41.2+ people in Bosniac and > Croat samples, > > [[Do they have any STR haplotypes for all three of these P41+ people?  I > think I have only one P41+ haplotype in my database.  With three we might > get a hint what to focus on to find more. n]] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- ---I read every email but I'm not always able to respond immediately. If you think you've been waiting too long for a reply, please, email me again at berniecullen@gmail.com--

Since I am one of those in the Limbo group should I be testing something else? Linda -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:28 PM To: Rossa Mullen ; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results L369 is available under "advanced tests" Don't go to advanced snp tests. FTDNA likes to trick people at their ordering site. But many people who are L126 have ordered L369, and so far it has been found phyloequivalent, including a test by a Limbo person or two. So I don't give it high priority for anyone unless your extended haplotype shows you are a real outlier in Scot clade L126+ -----Original Message----- From: Rossa Mullen Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:19 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results I'm I2b1a1, L126 also. I don;t see L369 available for test. I thought it was a case where if you're positive for L126 you're presumed positive for L369. ________________________________ From: Linda Threadgill <llt1948@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results Ken, The results for the L369 SNP test for McKenzie are in. The results were positive for L369. Prior to doing this test the FTDNA haplogroup designation was I2b1a1. Has the test results changed this? Also, is there another test that should be ordered? Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This paper by Battaglia (2008) was briefly discussed here in 2009 (see old posts below) and mentioned again recently on dna-forums.org and I took a look. Not only did they find three P41.2+ people in Bosniac and Croat samples, they also found one M26+ person and one I-P37.2* person in their FYROM-Albania sample. (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia). They go on to discuss the I-P37.2* people: Page 3 "Although I-M423 comprises virtually all the I-P37.2 Balkan-related chromosomes reported earlier, we have also detected one I-P37.2* Albanian subject and, from a screening of previously identified P37.2 chromosomes (Rootsi et al and SMGF collection), 30 further P37.2* subjects, two from Moldavia and 28 of either documented or presumed western European ancestry,were identified." (From their Figure 2, I think this Albanian is from Macedonia--Bernie) Page 8 ". Also, virtually, all the I-P37.2* paragroup members identified in this survey harbouring the peculiar DYS388-15 trinucleotide repeat motif (not observed in any other Hg I clade) likely represent a new rare P37.2 sub-clade. Their distribution (Supplementary Table S1) and the associated YSTR variation age of ~4000 years (Table 1) suggest that they expanded demographically, perhaps from central European regions during the Bronze Age. In this scenario, the only I-P37.2* chromosome observed in Albania, not characterized by the unusual DYS388-15 repeat motif marker, could either represent the consequence of a reversion event back to the ancestral allele or be a rare representative of the ancestral P37.2 state" So they have noticed the "Western" type of I-P37.2, the kind with DYS388=15. Ken Nordtvedt discovered this group some time before 2008. We now know that most of this group is L233+, called I2a3 at FTDNA. As far as I can tell most of these Western people mentioned in the paper were discovered in the SMGF collection and/or from old samples from the Rootsi 2004 paper, and have Western European ancestry mostly. They were included in this 2008 paper about the Balkan purely to describe the "new" I-P37.2* group with DYS388=15. But I wonder what the single Albanian I-P37.2* is? He doesn't have the DYS388=15, and probably doesn't have DYS388=9 like the I-P37.2* "France" group (I think they would have mentioned this). I can see the paper but I don't see the supplementary data and I don't know if they provide haplotypes for any of these people. Bernie On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Ken Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > I see I have the paper and the M423 haplotype data.  However, I don't see > the P41+ triplet indicated.  Someone must contact the paper authors I guess. > > If anyone has the identification of these three, please let us know. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zdenko" <zdenko.markovic@tel.net.ba> > To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 4:25 PM > Subject: [yDNAhgI] I-P41.2(M359.2) from "Y-chromosomal evidence of the ...." > > >> Looking at supplemental data from "Y-chromosomal evidence of the cultural >> diffusion of agriculture in southeast Europe" >> Vincenza Battaglia ... I noticed they found three I-P41.2 aka M-359.2 (one >> from Croatia and two from Bosnia and Herzegovina). >> >> Zdenko >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- ---I read every email but I'm not always able to respond immediately. If you think you've been waiting too long for a reply, please, email me again at berniecullen@gmail.com--

If clade is young, like L126+ but node age where it leaves rest of M284+ is old, chances are better for there being discovered young clade-wise snp. -----Original Message----- From: Rossa Mullen Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:35 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results I know it's pretty speculative but with the walk the y tests happening for a few M223 people what's the possibility of something significant being found for M284, L126? Given they're fairly young if something does turn I suppose it might be specific to certain surnames. ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: Rossa Mullen <rossa1978@yahoo.com>; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results L369 is available under "advanced tests" Don't go to advanced snp tests. FTDNA likes to trick people at their ordering site. But many people who are L126 have ordered L369, and so far it has been found phyloequivalent, including a test by a Limbo person or two. So I don't give it high priority for anyone unless your extended haplotype shows you are a real outlier in Scot clade L126+ -----Original Message----- From: Rossa Mullen Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:19 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results I'm I2b1a1, L126 also. I don;t see L369 available for test. I thought it was a case where if you're positive for L126 you're presumed positive for L369. ________________________________ From: Linda Threadgill <llt1948@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results Ken, The results for the L369 SNP test for McKenzie are in. The results were positive for L369. Prior to doing this test the FTDNA haplogroup designation was I2b1a1. Has the test results changed this? Also, is there another test that should be ordered? Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rossa, I had the L126 test done several years ago and it was positive. The results from L369 came back on 2/8. It is offered as a single SNP test for the $29.00 price. You can do a search for it. I thought someone mentioned having the L369 SNP tested in connected with the I2b1 WTY project, but I may be wrong. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Rossa Mullen Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:19 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results I'm I2b1a1, L126 also. I don;t see L369 available for test. I thought it was a case where if you're positive for L126 you're presumed positive for L369. ________________________________ From: Linda Threadgill <llt1948@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results Ken, The results for the L369 SNP test for McKenzie are in. The results were positive for L369. Prior to doing this test the FTDNA haplogroup designation was I2b1a1. Has the test results changed this? Also, is there another test that should be ordered? Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

L369 is available under "advanced tests" Don't go to advanced snp tests. FTDNA likes to trick people at their ordering site. But many people who are L126 have ordered L369, and so far it has been found phyloequivalent, including a test by a Limbo person or two. So I don't give it high priority for anyone unless your extended haplotype shows you are a real outlier in Scot clade L126+ -----Original Message----- From: Rossa Mullen Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:19 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results I'm I2b1a1, L126 also. I don;t see L369 available for test. I thought it was a case where if you're positive for L126 you're presumed positive for L369. ________________________________ From: Linda Threadgill <llt1948@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results Ken, The results for the L369 SNP test for McKenzie are in. The results were positive for L369. Prior to doing this test the FTDNA haplogroup designation was I2b1a1. Has the test results changed this? Also, is there another test that should be ordered? Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, The results for the L369 SNP test for McKenzie are in. The results were positive for L369. Prior to doing this test the FTDNA haplogroup designation was I2b1a1. Has the test results changed this? Also, is there another test that should be ordered? Linda

Some complementary info on Frisian Trade Route (unfortunately, I cannot find the author of it): " Trade routes along the English Channel and North Sea coasts led to the growth of ports that were best placed to channel that trade. Dorestad, on the Rhine 20 km up river from the coast, had been the major city of the dukes of Frisia, then became an important trading center by 680 AD. Its importance increased greatly as it became the major port of the new Carolingian Empire that Charlemagne carved out from his power base on the lower Rhine. The silver denarius of the Rhine delta was minted by the millions, but its value always followed that of the Islamic dirhem that it imitated in style, size, and name. Much of the minting was done in Dorestad, especially after Charlemagne's treaty with the Danes in 782, and his decision in 793 to increase the silver content of the denarius. At its peak from about 760 to 820 AD, the houses, wharves, and warehouses of Dorestad spread over 60 hectares stretching 3 km along the banks of the Rhine. Frisian traders shipped goods coming down the Meuse and the Rhine from Strasbourg, out of Dorestad all over the Rhine delta, westward along the French coast, eastward via coastal cities such as Emden and Hamburg (Hammaburg) to Denmark and into the Baltic, and northward along the coast of Britain as far as Northumbria. Dorestad exported pottery, glass, brooches, bronze goods, wine, and silver denarii in exchange for wool, furs, and slaves. Offa, the strongest of the Saxon kings in Britain, also minted high-quality silver coins at this time. Charlemagne and Offa entered into a formal trade treaty, then traded letters of complaint about it: Charlemagne complained about the length of the woollen cloaks shipped from England, and Offa complained about the poor quality of the lava grindstones he received. " Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J E DESTEIGUER Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:05 AM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Frisian Trade Route At the new I1-Z58andZ63 <I1-Z58andZ63@yahoogroups.com.au<mailto:I1-Z58andZ63@yahoogroups.com.au>> Project, I've posted a piece on the Frisian Trade Route as a pathway for the spread of I1-M253 into Germany and Switzerland. I summarize here: The Frisian Trade Route was active in the Early Middle Ages from the Netherlands to the Rhine headwaters. The key, however, is that the Route was operated mostly by Saxons, not Frisians, thus possibly accounting for a modest spread of I1 M253 into the continent. --Ed de Steiguer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4811 - Release Date: 02/15/12

I know it's pretty speculative but with the walk the y tests happening for a few M223 people what's the possibility of something significant being found for M284, L126? Given they're fairly young if something does turn I suppose it might be specific to certain surnames.   ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: Rossa Mullen <rossa1978@yahoo.com>; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results L369 is available under "advanced tests"  Don't go to advanced snp tests. FTDNA likes to trick people at their ordering site. But many people who are L126 have ordered L369, and so far it has been found phyloequivalent, including a test by a Limbo person or two. So I don't give it high priority for anyone unless your extended haplotype shows you are a real outlier in Scot clade L126+ -----Original Message----- From: Rossa Mullen Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:19 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results I'm I2b1a1, L126 also. I don;t see L369 available for test. I thought it was a case where if you're positive for L126 you're presumed positive for L369. ________________________________ From: Linda Threadgill <llt1948@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results Ken, The results for the L369 SNP test for McKenzie are in. The results were positive for L369. Prior to doing this test the FTDNA haplogroup designation was I2b1a1. Has the test results changed this? Also, is there another test that should be ordered? Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: Bernie Cullen This paper by Battaglia (2008) was briefly discussed here in 2009 (see old posts below) and mentioned again recently on dna-forums.org and I took a look. Not only did they find three P41.2+ people in Bosniac and Croat samples, [[Do they have any STR haplotypes for all three of these P41+ people? I think I have only one P41+ haplotype in my database. With three we might get a hint what to focus on to find more. n]]

-----Original Message----- From: Bernie Cullen So they have noticed the "Western" type of I-P37.2, the kind with DYS388=15. Ken Nordtvedt discovered this group some time before 2008. We now know that most [[all?]] of this group is L233+, called I2a3 at FTDNA. [[Western clade was found about 2005, but I only fleshed out its str and geographical characteristics. An engineer from Finland or Latvia (or both) who is bonified Dinaric P37+ first brought this then odd cluster to my attention using the original 37 STR markers of that time. Ken ]]

I'm I2b1a1, L126 also. I don;t see L369 available for test. I thought it was a case where if you're positive for L126 you're presumed positive for L369. ________________________________ From: Linda Threadgill <llt1948@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results Ken, The results for the L369 SNP test for McKenzie are in. The results were positive for L369. Prior to doing this test the FTDNA haplogroup designation was I2b1a1. Has the test results changed this? Also, is there another test that should be ordered? Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda, that's it for now.  They're currently running a Walk the Y on an Isles-Scottish person. I take it you're no relation to the Isles-Scottish McKinstry's, LOL!   Allegedly we share your burning volcano coat of arms.   ;) Dora --- On Wed, 2/15/12, Linda Threadgill <llt1948@gmail.com> wrote: From: Linda Threadgill <llt1948@gmail.com> Subject: [yDNAhgI] McKenzie, Kit# 65267, L369 test results To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 2:54 PM Ken, The results for the L369 SNP test for McKenzie are in. The results were positive for L369. Prior to doing this test the FTDNA haplogroup designation was I2b1a1. Has the test results changed this? Also, is there another test that should be ordered? Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Ken, I have ordered Z63 today. Regards, Stuart On 14 February 2012 20:13, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > You look generic to me. But I sense a similarity to another generic who > has > tested Z63+. You could save yourself a few bucks by testing that marker > first, and only if negative go to the Z58. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Phethean > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:25 AM > To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Further tests for I1-ASgenerics > > I have recently transferred in to FTDNA my original Relative > Genetics/Ancestry test and upgraded from 37 to 67 markers. > > I am I1-AS (generic) according to the data, with a recommendation to order > Z58 and Z63. Would you advise that I go ahead and do this, or are there any > other additional tests that I should consider? Any suggestions welcomed! > > > KIt No: B1292 > YSearch: VPCVT > > > > Regards, > > Stuart > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Too many cooks in the kitchen! -----Original Message----- From: Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:39 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1 AS2 Kit #186150 MOVE I notice on the I1 project at FTDNA that my kit has been moved from AS2 to the Z139+ grouping but in other projects I am still AS2 and on KN tree I am also AS2 I am just curious as to why the move for this I1 project. Ray Jenkins Kit#186150 Z138+/Z139+ Ysearch AETEN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You look generic to me. But I sense a similarity to another generic who has tested Z63+. You could save yourself a few bucks by testing that marker first, and only if negative go to the Z58. -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Phethean Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:25 AM To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Further tests for I1-ASgenerics I have recently transferred in to FTDNA my original Relative Genetics/Ancestry test and upgraded from 37 to 67 markers. I am I1-AS (generic) according to the data, with a recommendation to order Z58 and Z63. Would you advise that I go ahead and do this, or are there any other additional tests that I should consider? Any suggestions welcomed! KIt No: B1292 YSearch: VPCVT Regards, Stuart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I notice on the I1 project at FTDNA that my kit has been moved from AS2 to the Z139+ grouping but in other projects I am still AS2 and on KN tree I am also AS2 I am just curious as to why the move for this I1 project. Ray Jenkins Kit#186150 Z138+/Z139+ Ysearch AETEN

At the new I1-Z58andZ63 <I1-Z58andZ63@yahoogroups.com.au<mailto:I1-Z58andZ63@yahoogroups.com.au>> Project, I've posted a piece on the Frisian Trade Route as a pathway for the spread of I1-M253 into Germany and Switzerland. I summarize here: The Frisian Trade Route was active in the Early Middle Ages from the Netherlands to the Rhine headwaters. The key, however, is that the Route was operated mostly by Saxons, not Frisians, thus possibly accounting for a modest spread of I1 M253 into the continent. --Ed de Steiguer