I had one of my NPE relatives' results get returned today and Cullen's predictor puts him as an AS13. On your best estimates, where did this subclade originate. Thanks, Jim Jim Owston James M. Owston, EdD Dean of Distance Learning Associate Professor: Communication & Media Mountain State University PO Box 9003 Beckley, WV 25802-9003 304.929.1356 800.766.6167, ext. 1356

Gene, Some of the Ysearch branch codes, including all of the I2 ones, are not returned by the web link. I'll change the web script to get them out next week. Also, only the branch codes for 67 markers in I1 and I2 are returned. I can do 37 markers, but it is harder to place them in the correct position. I will add some error messages to explain any non-returned Branch Codes. You are in I1.000*, which you can see from the tree is a very large branch with many terminal leaves, and the leaves (people) are spread all over Europe. Fifty percent of people in that branch are Z58+. I have included the geographic frequency plots of the distribution of I1.000* & Z58+, and I1.000* & Z58-, which does narrow down the geographic distribution of those two cases. Things work better for the other branches. Terry On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Gene Prescott <prescottg@gmail.com> wrote: > Terry, > > FYI, a received a Branch Code (I1.0000000001010 on entering FTDNA #; did > not received a code on enterying YSearch identifier (EYVZS). > > I assume the above code places my in your SNP Count for each I1 STR Branch > I1.000*, N-692 on your thumbnail map. > > -- > Gene Prescott > Greenville, NC > > C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/There > is always something new! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

George, Yes, you are in the STR branch I2.00*. Here, I am using the "*" (star) to mean a wildcard, with any values allowed to follow. All members (so far) of the branch I2.00* have P37.2+ and M423+, and so are I2a1b (ISOGG Feb 2012). This branch is mainly found in Eastern Europe, but see the map for the detailed frequency distribution. Terry On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:10 AM, george knysh <gknysh@yahoo.com> wrote: > I take it that my BCode of I2.0001010001 is contained within your I2.00*? > George Knysh > > --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] STR Branches, SNP's, Geographic Origin > > To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 2:27 PM > > Often people ask about what SNP's > > they should look at testing, given their > > particular STR values. In addition, people sometimes ask > > what can be said > > about their ancestral geographic origin based again on their > > STR values. > > > > One can in fact answer those types of questions in an > > objective sense. > > > > The methodology I used is quite simple. First, I collected > > as much STR > > haplotype data as I could (I got over eight thousand I1 and > > I2 samples from > > various FTDNA Projects and from the Ysearch database). Next, > > I organised > > that large STR dataset into "hierarchical clusters" using a > > standard > > mathematical technique. Finally, I counted up the number of > > SNP alleles > > (either positive or negative) that occurred within each > > cluster, now called > > an STR "Branch", and I displayed the results; and I also > > plotted maps of > > the frequency distribution of the > > most-distant-known-ancestor of each STR > > Branch member across all regions of Europe. > > > > The results are very informative. > > > > The answer to many questions just depend on knowing your STR > > "Branch Code". > > In the system I use, the Branch Code is essentially just a > > way of labelling > > the STR branches in the computed hierarchical tree, and it > > is very similar > > to the "Henry System" used in genealogy for numbering the > > descendants of an > > ancestor. > > > > To determine your very own STR Branch Code in the system I > > use, see: > > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi > > > > Enter you FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID, and (hopefully) it > > will return > > your STR Branch Code. (Only works for y-haplogroups I1 and > > I2, and 67 or > > more STR markers at present.) > > > > Follow the links to see what your STR Branch Code can tell > > you. > > > > Terry > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Often people ask about what SNP's they should look at testing, given their particular STR values. In addition, people sometimes ask what can be said about their ancestral geographic origin based again on their STR values. One can in fact answer those types of questions in an objective sense. The methodology I used is quite simple. First, I collected as much STR haplotype data as I could (I got over eight thousand I1 and I2 samples from various FTDNA Projects and from the Ysearch database). Next, I organised that large STR dataset into "hierarchical clusters" using a standard mathematical technique. Finally, I counted up the number of SNP alleles (either positive or negative) that occurred within each cluster, now called an STR "Branch", and I displayed the results; and I also plotted maps of the frequency distribution of the most-distant-known-ancestor of each STR Branch member across all regions of Europe. The results are very informative. The answer to many questions just depend on knowing your STR "Branch Code". In the system I use, the Branch Code is essentially just a way of labelling the STR branches in the computed hierarchical tree, and it is very similar to the "Henry System" used in genealogy for numbering the descendants of an ancestor. To determine your very own STR Branch Code in the system I use, see: http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi Enter you FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID, and (hopefully) it will return your STR Branch Code. (Only works for y-haplogroups I1 and I2, and 67 or more STR markers at present.) Follow the links to see what your STR Branch Code can tell you. Terry

Any chance that's what's going on with Z131? Dora On 2/22/2012 4:28 PM, Bernie Cullen wrote: > Yesterday we received a L277+ result for someone in I-M26 "Sardinian" > (currently called I2a1 at FTDNA, it may be called something else by > other people). This result was expected based on results from 23andMe. > But since last May at least, FTDNA has been unable to reliably do the > L277 test. FTDNA does its SNP tests by sequencing the Y chromosome for > around a couple hundred base pairs around the SNP location, and the > sequencing worked for people expected to be L277- and they were in > fact L277- according to FTDNA. But for people expected to be L277+ no > sequence could be obtained by FTDNA. > >

Terry, Thank you for share your work. Let me make you some questions about the branch I2.0110*. These branch correspon to the I2ab2 haplogroup and acording to the studies of Hans de Beule, the present day distribution is limited to the Upper Rhine and the British Isles. Also in the I2ab2 FDNA project, the most of the samples are British. However in your I2.0110* map with 63 samples, the major figures correspon to France and Switzerland. Therefore my questions are: - How many French and Swiss samples have you used? - Which are your sources? - And if the sources are public, Have you overweighted them or in other words, Have you underweighted the British samples because many of them are the same family? Thanks in advance. Daniel Suarez. > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:27:04 +1100 > From: tdrobb@gmail.com > To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] STR Branches, SNP's, Geographic Origin > > Often people ask about what SNP's they should look at testing, given their > particular STR values. In addition, people sometimes ask what can be said > about their ancestral geographic origin based again on their STR values. > > One can in fact answer those types of questions in an objective sense. > > The methodology I used is quite simple. First, I collected as much STR > haplotype data as I could (I got over eight thousand I1 and I2 samples from > various FTDNA Projects and from the Ysearch database). Next, I organised > that large STR dataset into "hierarchical clusters" using a standard > mathematical technique. Finally, I counted up the number of SNP alleles > (either positive or negative) that occurred within each cluster, now called > an STR "Branch", and I displayed the results; and I also plotted maps of > the frequency distribution of the most-distant-known-ancestor of each STR > Branch member across all regions of Europe. > > The results are very informative. > > The answer to many questions just depend on knowing your STR "Branch Code". > In the system I use, the Branch Code is essentially just a way of labelling > the STR branches in the computed hierarchical tree, and it is very similar > to the "Henry System" used in genealogy for numbering the descendants of an > ancestor. > > To determine your very own STR Branch Code in the system I use, see: > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi > > Enter you FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID, and (hopefully) it will return > your STR Branch Code. (Only works for y-haplogroups I1 and I2, and 67 or > more STR markers at present.) > > Follow the links to see what your STR Branch Code can tell you. > > Terry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yesterday we received a L277+ result for someone in I-M26 "Sardinian" (currently called I2a1 at FTDNA, it may be called something else by other people). This result was expected based on results from 23andMe. But since last May at least, FTDNA has been unable to reliably do the L277 test. FTDNA does its SNP tests by sequencing the Y chromosome for around a couple hundred base pairs around the SNP location, and the sequencing worked for people expected to be L277- and they were in fact L277- according to FTDNA. But for people expected to be L277+ no sequence could be obtained by FTDNA. I hope FTDNA has worked out the problems with L277. For a long time, all known I-M26 people had the very distinctive marker value YCAIIa,b=11,21 or something very close to that, or they might have had 11, 11 or 21,21 but were very close at other markers to people with 11,21. But a couple years ago we noticed a new group within I-M26 which usually has YCAIIa,b=18,21 and other distinctive marker values and 23andMe testing of these people showed that they fall into two groups: one is L277+ and L247+ and has about 5 known members, all with Mexican paternal ancestry the other is L277+ and L247- and has about 3 known members, all with "German" paternal ancestry (from the Rhineland, Switzerland. and the German speaking Sudentenland in modern Czech Republic). >From WTY testing, another SNP was discovered which distinguishes the YCAa,b=11,21 people from the L277+ people with YCAIIa,b=18.21: the 11,21 people are all L672+ and the L277+ people are all L672- You can see a tree I drew up here, http://cullengene.blogspot.com/2011/10/l672-placed-in-i-m26-tree.html the ages are based on Ken Nordtvedt's tree: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/Tree%20and%20Map%20for%20Hg%20I.pdf Bernie Cullen one of the volunteer administrators, I2a Project at Family Tree DNA and dna.ancestry.com

Terry, FYI, a received a Branch Code (I1.0000000001010 on entering FTDNA #; did not received a code on enterying YSearch identifier (EYVZS). I assume the above code places my in your SNP Count for each I1 STR Branch I1.000*, N-692 on your thumbnail map. -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new!

Several weeks ago I mentioned a new member at the FTDNA I2a (I-P37.2) Project, he has paternal ancestry from southern Iraq and 111 markers that are a very distant match to our "Isles" members. All of the "Isles" people who have done the L161 SNP test have received L161+ results, and recently the person from Iraq did also. The name "Isles" is just a nickname that helps people remember which group we are talking about, I'm not making a statement about where this group arose or started to flourish. At FTDNA, Isles is currently called I2a2b and it may be called something else by other people. Ken Nordtvedt has placed the Iraq people on his own branch of the tree, separate from other I-L161 people: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/Tree%20and%20Map%20for%20Hg%20I.pdf Bernie Cullen one of the volunteer administrators. I2a Project at FTDNA and at DNA.Ancestry.com http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup/default.aspx?section=ycolorized

Terry: Thank you for your work on the clusters or STR branches. It is interesting to see the haplogroups from another view point. By the way, your maps confirm (at least for me) certain suspicions about my cluster. Philip Anasovich On 2/22/2012 6:27 AM, Terry wrote: > Often people ask about what SNP's they should look at testing, given their > particular STR values. In addition, people sometimes ask what can be said > about their ancestral geographic origin based again on their STR values. > > One can in fact answer those types of questions in an objective sense. > > The methodology I used is quite simple. First, I collected as much STR > haplotype data as I could (I got over eight thousand I1 and I2 samples from > various FTDNA Projects and from the Ysearch database). Next, I organised > that large STR dataset into "hierarchical clusters" using a standard > mathematical technique. Finally, I counted up the number of SNP alleles > (either positive or negative) that occurred within each cluster, now called > an STR "Branch", and I displayed the results; and I also plotted maps of > the frequency distribution of the most-distant-known-ancestor of each STR > Branch member across all regions of Europe. > > The results are very informative. > > The answer to many questions just depend on knowing your STR "Branch Code". > In the system I use, the Branch Code is essentially just a way of labelling > the STR branches in the computed hierarchical tree, and it is very similar > to the "Henry System" used in genealogy for numbering the descendants of an > ancestor. > > To determine your very own STR Branch Code in the system I use, see: > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi > > Enter you FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID, and (hopefully) it will return > your STR Branch Code. (Only works for y-haplogroups I1 and I2, and 67 or > more STR markers at present.) > > Follow the links to see what your STR Branch Code can tell you. > > Terry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6905 (20120222) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > >

Hello Stuart Thank you, and thank you to the others I noticed who took the trouble to add their ancestor information. It makes a world of difference! Stuart, please do join us if you test positive for Z63. We are currently in the midst of arranging some Walk the Y test for some Z63+ (Hap. I1g) participants. Anyone who has tested positive for one or more of the following SNPs is welcome to join: L338, L573, L592, L802, L803, Z138, Z139, Z140, Z382, Z58, Z59, Z60, Z63 Instructions in case they are needed: To Join the ‘I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+Project’ 1. Log into your personal page at Family Tree DNA 2. Under ‘My Projects’ in the left column click ‘Join Projects’ 3. Scroll down to ‘Y-DNA Haplogroup Projects’ and click ‘I (11)’ 4. Under ‘Matching Projects’ click on ‘I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+’ 5. On the next page click the yellow ‘Join’ button Thanks once again. Stuart! Julie Frame Falk << From: Stuart Phethean Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:20 AM Have updated my ancestor info. I wondered why the place info never showed up! Now I know. Z63 result due early March - so may be joining your project.>>

I take it that my BCode of I2.0001010001 is contained within your I2.00*? George Knysh --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> > Subject: [yDNAhgI] STR Branches, SNP's, Geographic Origin > To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 2:27 PM > Often people ask about what SNP's > they should look at testing, given their > particular STR values. In addition, people sometimes ask > what can be said > about their ancestral geographic origin based again on their > STR values. > > One can in fact answer those types of questions in an > objective sense. > > The methodology I used is quite simple. First, I collected > as much STR > haplotype data as I could (I got over eight thousand I1 and > I2 samples from > various FTDNA Projects and from the Ysearch database). Next, > I organised > that large STR dataset into "hierarchical clusters" using a > standard > mathematical technique. Finally, I counted up the number of > SNP alleles > (either positive or negative) that occurred within each > cluster, now called > an STR "Branch", and I displayed the results; and I also > plotted maps of > the frequency distribution of the > most-distant-known-ancestor of each STR > Branch member across all regions of Europe. > > The results are very informative. > > The answer to many questions just depend on knowing your STR > "Branch Code". > In the system I use, the Branch Code is essentially just a > way of labelling > the STR branches in the computed hierarchical tree, and it > is very similar > to the "Henry System" used in genealogy for numbering the > descendants of an > ancestor. > > To determine your very own STR Branch Code in the system I > use, see: >   http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi > > Enter you FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID, and (hopefully) it > will return > your STR Branch Code. (Only works for y-haplogroups I1 and > I2, and 67 or > more STR markers at present.) > > Follow the links to see what your STR Branch Code can tell > you. > > Terry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

FTDNA Kit# 59297 (Y67) is I1 and grouped with AS1. He is interested in ordering a test to try and find his most downstream SNP. His current SNP results are: P38+ P30+ P19+ M307+ M258+ M253+ M170+ P37.2- M72- M26- M227- M223- M21- M161- L211- So that rules him out of I1a, I1b and I1e while leaving I1c, I1d and I1f as possibilities. Are there any of the 67 STRs that can be examined to help narrow down which SNP he should test next? If not, what would be the best guess? Cheers! Sean

Suddenly FTDNA made a minor update to their draft tree, and P95 appears as a subhaplogroup of L801. That's an improvement. http://ytree.ftdna.com/index.php?name=Draft&parent=53054057 H.Styri > From: Aaron Salles Torres [sallfertorr@yahoo.com] > Sent: 2012-02-19 16:59:39 MET > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] ISOGG "I1" tree? > > FT DNA has updated their draft tree (both L801 and L812 are there). Unfortunately, there is some incorrect information that Thomas Krahn, responsible for the tree, needs to fix. > > Aaron Torres > > Re: [yDNAhgI] ISOGG "I1" tree? > Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:53 AM > From: > "Haakon Styri" <styri@online.no> > To: > y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Unfortunately, you didn't answer my question. I asked why FTDNA haven't updated their _draft_ tree. I guess only FTDNA can provide us with an answer. > > H.Styri > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Julie, Have updated my ancestor info. I wondered why the place info never showed up! Now I know. Z63 result due early March - so may be joining your project. Regards, Stuart Kit B1292 On 17 February 2012 07:44, Julie Frame Falk <jdf4072@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All > > If you could spare a few minutes of your valuable time – I am seeking your > cooperation on a fairly simple task! Volunteer administrators in various > projects often visit other publicly viewable project pages at FTDNA to > acquire relevant data, especially from the large Haplogroup projects such > as I1, and CE Normans etc. which are my main ports of call for the I1>Z58+ > and I1>Z63+ Project. Currently, I am tracking Z63+, and Z58+ and all of > the SNPs downstream of Z58 to show on both a Surname SNP Tree and also SNP > Maps, for our members. The country of origin of the Most Distant Ancestor > on the paternal side is vital information for these purposes. However, in > many instances, this information is not available on the publicly viewable > Results and SNP pages. For example – see the I1 Project SNP page here: > > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_I1/default.aspx?section=ysnp > > This is a very large page and takes a lot of searching for various SNP > results, but even at the top there are many gaps in the *Paternal Ancestor > Name* field where not even a surname is viewable. Unfortunately, if > someone has tested positive for a SNP that I am personally tracking, and I > cannot see a surname or place of origin, then it’s a loss to our project > even if the tester is not one of our members yet. However, the people who > write in Name, Town, County/State and Country of origin in the *Paternal > Ancestor Name* field are helping us all enormously! We cannot even view > Country of Origin from the public Results and SNP pages, so the collectors > of such information really need your assistance. If your ancestor details > need updating, this is very easy for you to do: > > 1. Log into your personal page at FTDNA > > 2. Select *My Account* from the top menu bar > > 3. Select *Most Distant Ancestors* > > 4. Under *Direct Paternal* select Country of Origin from the drop > down list, > > 5. In the *Name* field, fill in as much info as you can: > Name/Birthyear/Town/County/Country ID abbreviation. > > 6. *Save* > > Thank you in advance for your cooperation! > > Kindest regards > > Julie Frame Falk (Project Administrator) > > I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ Project, Frame DNA Project, Frain DNA Project, Bemis > DNA Project > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Its not the best use of the word Expats but I mean people in the US trying to trace genealogy in Europe. Best Derek ------Original Message------ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt To: Derek Paterson To: Ydna I1 list Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Fw: I1* KN Z138/Z139 Sent: 19 Feb 2012 16:45 What do you mean by matches being expats? Yes, other than the two Scandinavians, the clade looks solidly lowland or east Scot. There are no further snps downstream of Z138/Z139 right now. I noticed you are one of the five or 6 who has done the 111 markers in the clade. I have urged others in the clade to expand to 111 markers to eventually help us improve the time estimates for its evolution. There is a certain extra amount of interest here on my part concerning ESc-13; I'm one of the core members. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Derek Paterson Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 2:31 PM To: Ydna I1 list Subject: [yDNAhgI] Fw: I1* KN Z138/Z139 ------Original Message------ From: Derek Paterson To: Ydna I1 list Subject: I1* KN Z138/Z139 Sent: 9 Feb 2012 03:01 Hi Ken/all I've just done a bunch of new tests (FTDNA kit 128312) and following Ken's latest tree I seem to be alongside him in a generic bucket next to AS2. Are there many others in this clade/lack of clade? Genealogy is pretty solid lowland Scot back to early 18th century. Matches in FTDNA are all expats which I think skews things a little. P38+ M253+ P30+ P40+ Z58+ Z139+ Z138+ P259- P109- M227- M21- M72- L338- L33- S142/L22- L211- Z63- Z59- Z131- Anything promising in new Z tests that might further split this group? Best Derek ------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------

------Original Message------ From: Derek Paterson To: Ydna I1 list Subject: I1* KN Z138/Z139 Sent: 9 Feb 2012 03:01 Hi Ken/all I've just done a bunch of new tests (FTDNA kit 128312) and following Ken's latest tree I seem to be alongside him in a generic bucket next to AS2. Are there many others in this clade/lack of clade? Genealogy is pretty solid lowland Scot back to early 18th century. Matches in FTDNA are all expats which I think skews things a little. P38+ M253+ P30+ P40+ Z58+ Z139+ Z138+ P259- P109- M227- M21- M72- L338- L33- S142/L22- L211- Z63- Z59- Z131- Anything promising in new Z tests that might further split this group? Best Derek ------------------

Unfortunately, you didn't answer my question. I asked why FTDNA haven't updated their _draft_ tree. I guess only FTDNA can provide us with an answer. H.Styri > From: Aaron Salles Torres [sallfertorr@yahoo.com] > Sent: 2012-02-19 15:22:40 MET > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Cc: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] ISOGG "I1" tree? > > Answering your question, there are no issues with L801. FT DNA, however, updates their official tree only once a year. > > There are many misunderstandings regarding SNP's downstream from M223. I don't know where such misunderstandings originate but I know why they are perpetuated: people aren't looking at the sources. The biggest, most reliable source is the SNP results page of our M223 project, which can then be contrasted with our Y-STR results page. It is publicly available for anyone to see here: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?section=ysnp . > > As Ken said, the incorrect interpretations perpetuated by the ISOGG M223 tree and by the FT DNA y tree are leading customers to order tests that are not applicable to them. > > The only correct, updated M223 tree is the one displayed here: > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?section=news . > > Please note that I don't touch on M379 for a reason: it was mentioned by a single source as being observed in an individual in Pakistan many years ago and hasn't been seen again since. I don't believe there is enough information to discard a lab error, much less to place it correctly on the M223 tree. > > I copy the only up-to-date M223 tree here: > > > 1- M223* (I2b1-X, I2b1-XX, Roots-X, Roots/L812-) > > 1.1- L812* (Roots) > > 1.1.1- L319 (Roots) > > 1.2- L801* (Cont1, Cont1a, Cont1b, Cont2a, Cont2b/P95-) > > 1.2.1- P95 (Cont2b) > > 1.3- P78 (Cont3a) > > 1.4- L623, L147.4 (Cont2c) > > 1.5- M284* (Isles E) > > 1.5.1-L126, L137, L369 (Isles Limbo, Isles Sc) > > Best regards, > Aaron Torres > > Re: [yDNAhgI] ISOGG "I1" tree? > Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:56 PM > From: > "Haakon Styri" <styri@online.no> > To: > y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Using ISOGG haplogroup names the P95 haplogroup needs to be renamed because it's a subhaplogroup of L801. Not a big issue, really. > > If there are any issues regarding L801 I don't know about them, but FTDNA haven't adjusted their draft tree to display P95 as a subhaplogroup of L801. That makes me ask: are there any issues? Why is FTDNA delaying a simple update of > the draft tree? > > H.Styri > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

FTDNA Kit Number: 94611 YSearch ID: RVKNK I have just received 2 SNP results Z60+ and L592-. No surprises. The purpose of this note is to provide ALL my (I1) SNP results to those constructing SNP trees for Haplogroup I1. I've noticed that some of my results are missing from several tables I have seen - presumably because I have tested with 2 other companies in addition to FTDNA. Here are my TESTED (ie no presumptions) results: Positive (derived): M253+,P30+,P40+,M307+,S62+,S63+,S64+,S65+,S66+,S107+,S108+,S109+,S110+,S111+ ,Z58+,Z59+,Z60+,Z140+ Negative (ancestral): M21-,M227-,M72-,P259-,L22-,P109-,L211-,P37.2-,M26-,M284-,M223-,L803-,L592-,L 338-,Z138-,Z139-,Z63-,M514-,Z131- Duncan Robertson

What do you mean by matches being expats? Yes, other than the two Scandinavians, the clade looks solidly lowland or east Scot. There are no further snps downstream of Z138/Z139 right now. I noticed you are one of the five or 6 who has done the 111 markers in the clade. I have urged others in the clade to expand to 111 markers to eventually help us improve the time estimates for its evolution. There is a certain extra amount of interest here on my part concerning ESc-13; I'm one of the core members. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Derek Paterson Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 2:31 PM To: Ydna I1 list Subject: [yDNAhgI] Fw: I1* KN Z138/Z139 ------Original Message------ From: Derek Paterson To: Ydna I1 list Subject: I1* KN Z138/Z139 Sent: 9 Feb 2012 03:01 Hi Ken/all I've just done a bunch of new tests (FTDNA kit 128312) and following Ken's latest tree I seem to be alongside him in a generic bucket next to AS2. Are there many others in this clade/lack of clade? Genealogy is pretty solid lowland Scot back to early 18th century. Matches in FTDNA are all expats which I think skews things a little. P38+ M253+ P30+ P40+ Z58+ Z139+ Z138+ P259- P109- M227- M21- M72- L338- L33- S142/L22- L211- Z63- Z59- Z131- Anything promising in new Z tests that might further split this group? Best Derek ------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message