I just ordered SNP Z73 from FTDNA. Kit 154151, y-Search MUZGY Z60+, Z59+, Z58+, P38+, P212+, M253+, L41+ Z63-, Z140-, Z139-, Z138-, Z131, etc. Roy

Hil I am working on a Cladeagram for my Hulse /Hults project. I could use a table of Mutation rates for the STR values. Does anyone know where I might find that? Thanks Allen

Hans, Thanks for your question, which does raise some important issues. First, I should say that I do have some smaller regional bins inside some of the countries (Germany, France, Spain, and Italy), but I am not currently plotting the data on that finer scale (yet) for a couple of reasons. If I were to plot the frequency of say I1 or I2 as a whole, than I have more than enough data with geographic origin, to make such maps. But when I split I1 and I2 up into the various branches, as determined by the STR tree, then the number of data points inside each regional bin can occasionally get a bit scarce, and so the corresponding frequency that is computed can get unstable. In the end, I ended up only doing regional bins for Scotland, England, and Wales. Next, the bias for high DNA testing countries/regions (such as England) is removed, because I always just do *frequency* maps. The frequency of occurrence of a particular DNA result, can be estimated for any country/region by dividing the raw count of people that have that particular result of interest, divided by the number of people that were tested - so the country population size, either large or small, is irrelevant and should not effect the frequency calculation. Finally, one should note that I am just presenting the results based on (hopefully) a clearly explained methodology. The method is simple, and the results are what they are. I am aware that the self-reported place of geographic origin, that I am obtaining from public sources, may not be totally reliable. That and other issues need to be remembered when reading the maps. But as I say, the results are what they are. With finer geographic binning, I would suspect you would be correct in saying that the I2.0110* branch would have a higher frequency in certain parts of France compared to others. I may work on that later, to see if there is enough data to make a better map. In the meantime, the I2.0110* map erroneously indicates that the frequency is uniform all over France because that is the binning unit I used there unfortunately. With time I will improve the maps. Terry On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Hans De Beule <hans.debeule@hotmail.com>wrote: > > Hi Terry, > > I like your approach, but I think that using countries as a "unit of > reference" is misleading. Some countries are big, other are small; some > have lots of (extented) DNA-samples others few ... The problem to overcome > the bias created by the succes of DNA testing in the anglosaxon word and > the fear of ADN tests in France is not an easy one. > > In case of I2.0110* (Hg I-L39 aka I-L38) there are indications that its > resolution in the Alsace (bordering Germany) and Northern France (bordering > Flanders) are higher. I have no indications that its frequency in the other > French regions has a similar (higher) frequency. Tracing I-L38 family lines > mostly results in a direct or indirect link to the Rhine region. > > Looking at the frenchheritage FTDNA project group I only can conclude that > the % of I-L39 (the projects still calls them I2b2) in France (as a whole) > is low. > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/frenchheritage/default.aspx?vgroup=frenchheritage&vgroup=frenchheritage&vgroup=frenchheritage&vgroup=frenchheritage&section=yresults > > Best, > > Hans > > > > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:12:24 +1100 > > From: tdrobb@gmail.com > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] STR Branches, SNP's, Geographic Origin > > > > Daniel, > > The data sources I used, for the STR 67-markers, are from various public > > FTDNA Projects (mainly the I1 Project), plus data from Ysearch (making > sure > > not to double count the same data). > > > > The maps are the *frequency* of occurrence of the particular branch > within > > the given country/region. Here the frequency is the number of people in > the > > branch, divided by the number of people that have been tested in the > > region. That weighting hopefully reduces the bias of popular DNA testing > > regions like England, compared to some less popular testing regions. > > > > For your I2.0110* Branch, that frequency comes out highest in France and > > Switzerland. Numerically, there are a large number of I2.0110* people > with > > a reported origin from England, but that large number should be scaled > down > > by the correspondingly large number of people from England that have > taken > > the STR 67-marker test. After that is accounted for, places like France > and > > Switzerland come out the dominant (highest frequency) place. But England, > > and even Norway, still have a significant frequency of I2.0110*. (In > > contrast, the I2.00* branch for example, has a very low frequency in > > England, and a high frequency in Eastern Europe.) > > > > Terry > > > > 2012/2/23 Daniel Suárez Díaz <dsuarez_job@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > Terry, > > > > > > Thank you for share your work. Let me make you some questions about the > > > branch I2.0110*. These branch correspon to the I2ab2 haplogroup and > > > acording to the studies of Hans de Beule, the present day distribution > is > > > limited to the Upper Rhine and the British Isles. Also in the I2ab2 > FDNA > > > project, the most of the samples are British. However in your I2.0110* > map > > > with 63 samples, the major figures correspon to France and Switzerland. > > > > > > Therefore my questions are: > > > > > > - How many French and Swiss samples have you used? > > > > > > - Which are your sources? > > > > > > - And if the sources are public, Have you overweighted them or in other > > > words, Have you underweighted the British samples because many of them > are > > > the same family? > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Daniel Suarez. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:27:04 +1100 > > > > From: tdrobb@gmail.com > > > > To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] STR Branches, SNP's, Geographic Origin > > > > > > > > Often people ask about what SNP's they should look at testing, given > > > their > > > > particular STR values. In addition, people sometimes ask what can be > said > > > > about their ancestral geographic origin based again on their STR > values. > > > > > > > > One can in fact answer those types of questions in an objective > sense. > > > > > > > > The methodology I used is quite simple. First, I collected as much > STR > > > > haplotype data as I could (I got over eight thousand I1 and I2 > samples > > > from > > > > various FTDNA Projects and from the Ysearch database). Next, I > organised > > > > that large STR dataset into "hierarchical clusters" using a standard > > > > mathematical technique. Finally, I counted up the number of SNP > alleles > > > > (either positive or negative) that occurred within each cluster, now > > > called > > > > an STR "Branch", and I displayed the results; and I also plotted > maps of > > > > the frequency distribution of the most-distant-known-ancestor of > each STR > > > > Branch member across all regions of Europe. > > > > > > > > The results are very informative. > > > > > > > > The answer to many questions just depend on knowing your STR "Branch > > > Code". > > > > In the system I use, the Branch Code is essentially just a way of > > > labelling > > > > the STR branches in the computed hierarchical tree, and it is very > > > similar > > > > to the "Henry System" used in genealogy for numbering the > descendants of > > > an > > > > ancestor. > > > > > > > > To determine your very own STR Branch Code in the system I use, see: > > > > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi > > > > > > > > Enter you FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID, and (hopefully) it will > return > > > > your STR Branch Code. (Only works for y-haplogroups I1 and I2, and > 67 or > > > > more STR markers at present.) > > > > > > > > Follow the links to see what your STR Branch Code can tell you. > > > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm about to launch a campaign to encourage my Haplogroup I1 members to be SNP tested, and I'm bound to be asked what you would get with a deep clade test. As we know, you can never be certain, but I decided to go back and look at all my Haplogroup I/I1/I1d/I1d1 project members who've been deep clade tested, to see what they got on their deep clade test. I've listed them below, grouped by subclade and in chronological order. Any SNPs tested a la carte were removed from the listing as was anyone who got deep clade tested more than once. It looks like most got 6 or 7 SNPs, while a few got only 5 or as many as 13 or 14. Not surprisingly, the number has tapered off over time, presumably as FTDNA has gotten better at predicting what the most downstream SNP would be. As usual, I did this for my own use, but thought I might as well share it. Diana ===================================================================== Hg I 58687 STROUP - 13 May 2006 M170+ P38+ P19+ M258+ P37.2- P30- M72- M307- M26- M253- M227- M223- M21- M161- ===================================================================== Hg I1 24212 STROUP - 28 May 2006 M170+ P38+ P30+ M307+ M258+ M253+ P37.2- M72- M26- M227- M223- M21- M161- 67326 BAKTOFT - 30 Jan 2007 P38+ P30+ P19+ M307+ M258+ M253+ M170+ P37.2- M72- M26- M227- M223- M21- M161- 50052 CRUMP - 11 Sep 2008 P30+ M253+ P259- P109- M227- M21- 24343 STRAUB - 22 Apr 2009 P19+ M253+ M170+ L22+ P109- M227- 147715 CORBIN - 8 May 2009 M253+ M170+ P259- M72- M284- M26- M227- M223- M21- M161- L39- L22 152077 NELSON - 1 Jun 2009 M253+ P259- M72- M227- M21- L22- N68011 KAMP - 31 Aug 2009 M253+ P259- P109- M72- M227- M21- L22- 133507 STROUPE - 6 Mar 2010 M253+ P259- P109- M72- M227- M21- L22- 184551 BIDDLE - 26 Jul 2010 M253+ P259- P109- M72- M227- M21- L22- 143803 CORBIN - 14 Mar 2011 M253+ P259- M72- M227- M21- L22- L211- N82342 OLSEN - 31 May 2011 M253+ P259- M227- M21- L22- L211- ===================================================================== Hg I1d1 N15923 MORCK - 17 Apr 2010 P109+ M253+ M72- M227- M21- 173756 DAHL - 28 Jul 2010 P109+ M253+ L22+ P259- M72- M227- M21- L258-

Hi Terry, I like your approach, but I think that using countries as a "unit of reference" is misleading. Some countries are big, other are small; some have lots of (extented) DNA-samples others few ... The problem to overcome the bias created by the succes of DNA testing in the anglosaxon word and the fear of ADN tests in France is not an easy one. In case of I2.0110* (Hg I-L39 aka I-L38) there are indications that its resolution in the Alsace (bordering Germany) and Northern France (bordering Flanders) are higher. I have no indications that its frequency in the other French regions has a similar (higher) frequency. Tracing I-L38 family lines mostly results in a direct or indirect link to the Rhine region. Looking at the frenchheritage FTDNA project group I only can conclude that the % of I-L39 (the projects still calls them I2b2) in France (as a whole) is low. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/frenchheritage/default.aspx?vgroup=frenchheritage&vgroup=frenchheritage&vgroup=frenchheritage&vgroup=frenchheritage&section=yresults Best, Hans > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:12:24 +1100 > From: tdrobb@gmail.com > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] STR Branches, SNP's, Geographic Origin > > Daniel, > The data sources I used, for the STR 67-markers, are from various public > FTDNA Projects (mainly the I1 Project), plus data from Ysearch (making sure > not to double count the same data). > > The maps are the *frequency* of occurrence of the particular branch within > the given country/region. Here the frequency is the number of people in the > branch, divided by the number of people that have been tested in the > region. That weighting hopefully reduces the bias of popular DNA testing > regions like England, compared to some less popular testing regions. > > For your I2.0110* Branch, that frequency comes out highest in France and > Switzerland. Numerically, there are a large number of I2.0110* people with > a reported origin from England, but that large number should be scaled down > by the correspondingly large number of people from England that have taken > the STR 67-marker test. After that is accounted for, places like France and > Switzerland come out the dominant (highest frequency) place. But England, > and even Norway, still have a significant frequency of I2.0110*. (In > contrast, the I2.00* branch for example, has a very low frequency in > England, and a high frequency in Eastern Europe.) > > Terry > > 2012/2/23 Daniel Suárez Díaz <dsuarez_job@hotmail.com> > > > > > Terry, > > > > Thank you for share your work. Let me make you some questions about the > > branch I2.0110*. These branch correspon to the I2ab2 haplogroup and > > acording to the studies of Hans de Beule, the present day distribution is > > limited to the Upper Rhine and the British Isles. Also in the I2ab2 FDNA > > project, the most of the samples are British. However in your I2.0110* map > > with 63 samples, the major figures correspon to France and Switzerland. > > > > Therefore my questions are: > > > > - How many French and Swiss samples have you used? > > > > - Which are your sources? > > > > - And if the sources are public, Have you overweighted them or in other > > words, Have you underweighted the British samples because many of them are > > the same family? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Daniel Suarez. > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:27:04 +1100 > > > From: tdrobb@gmail.com > > > To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] STR Branches, SNP's, Geographic Origin > > > > > > Often people ask about what SNP's they should look at testing, given > > their > > > particular STR values. In addition, people sometimes ask what can be said > > > about their ancestral geographic origin based again on their STR values. > > > > > > One can in fact answer those types of questions in an objective sense. > > > > > > The methodology I used is quite simple. First, I collected as much STR > > > haplotype data as I could (I got over eight thousand I1 and I2 samples > > from > > > various FTDNA Projects and from the Ysearch database). Next, I organised > > > that large STR dataset into "hierarchical clusters" using a standard > > > mathematical technique. Finally, I counted up the number of SNP alleles > > > (either positive or negative) that occurred within each cluster, now > > called > > > an STR "Branch", and I displayed the results; and I also plotted maps of > > > the frequency distribution of the most-distant-known-ancestor of each STR > > > Branch member across all regions of Europe. > > > > > > The results are very informative. > > > > > > The answer to many questions just depend on knowing your STR "Branch > > Code". > > > In the system I use, the Branch Code is essentially just a way of > > labelling > > > the STR branches in the computed hierarchical tree, and it is very > > similar > > > to the "Henry System" used in genealogy for numbering the descendants of > > an > > > ancestor. > > > > > > To determine your very own STR Branch Code in the system I use, see: > > > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi > > > > > > Enter you FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID, and (hopefully) it will return > > > your STR Branch Code. (Only works for y-haplogroups I1 and I2, and 67 or > > > more STR markers at present.) > > > > > > Follow the links to see what your STR Branch Code can tell you. > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have several cousins who are I1 or I2, and I've been getting confused over which SNPs they've taken and/or need to take and what the results mean, so I created a small table to keep track of them. That table then expanded to creating a "character matrix" for everyone in the Haplogroup I1 project who was positive for any of the Z-SNPs. Having gone to the work of creating it, I decided to put it online, in case it would help anyone else: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/SNP-maxout-HgI1.html I also needed to "get this straight" in my head because I have a number of Hg I1's in my Danish Demes project who have not done much, if any, SNP testing: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Danish_Demes/default.aspx?section= yresults As you all know, in the past there wasn't much reason for someone who was DYS455=8 to be SNP tested. You were going to be P19+ or (later) M253+. Ho hum. Of course, first L22 and now the Z-SNPs have changed all that, so I'm going to begin urging my Danish Demes members to SNP test - and join the Hg I1 project. I wish there were some prospect of FTDNA having a sale on SNP tests, but it hasn't happened, yet. Diana

Ken, Do you have any SNP recommendations for either of these two men who are in my Kevan project? Kit 42164 ordered L161 before he joined the project--results are expected tomorrow. Kit 113806 has tested positive for L161. He matches Maxwell 33/37 but differs on 8 markers at the 67 marker level. #42164 (Maxwell)-- P38+ P37.2+ P19+ M423+ M258+ M170+ P41.2- P30- M72- M307- M26- M253- M227- M223- M21- M161- #113806 (Keaveney)--P37.2+ M423+ L178+ L161+ P41.2- M26- L61 http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Kevan/?iframe=ydnacolor We've offered a free 37 marker test to another Kevan from the same line already tested, but haven't yet received a reply. Lindsey

Looks like my SNP result has come through as L812+. (Kit N9738) I’m one of the roots clade with DYS438=8 and DYS446=8. I believe it is looking like L812 marks that clade. I’m not sure if there’s been any more results through to rule in it in or out of being any broader or narrower than that? Neville

Hello, Neville We have several L812- results from the various other Roots subgroups. So this SNP currently equates with DYS438=8 and DYS446=8. No broader and no narrower. Thanks, Aaron Torres [yDNAhgI] L812+result Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:15 PM From: "Neville Spencer" <neville@ns.id.au> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Looks like my SNP result has come through as L812+. (Kit N9738) I’m one of the roots clade with DYS438=8 and DYS446=8. I believe it is looking like L812 marks that clade. I’m not sure if there’s been any more results through to rule in it in or out of being any broader or narrower than that? Neville

You have been very friendly for this thorough explanation. I have understood it all perfectly. Greetings, Daniel Suarez > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:12:24 +1100 > From: tdrobb@gmail.com > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] STR Branches, SNP's, Geographic Origin > > Daniel, > The data sources I used, for the STR 67-markers, are from various public > FTDNA Projects (mainly the I1 Project), plus data from Ysearch (making sure > not to double count the same data). > > The maps are the *frequency* of occurrence of the particular branch within > the given country/region. Here the frequency is the number of people in the > branch, divided by the number of people that have been tested in the > region. That weighting hopefully reduces the bias of popular DNA testing > regions like England, compared to some less popular testing regions. > > For your I2.0110* Branch, that frequency comes out highest in France and > Switzerland. Numerically, there are a large number of I2.0110* people with > a reported origin from England, but that large number should be scaled down > by the correspondingly large number of people from England that have taken > the STR 67-marker test. After that is accounted for, places like France and > Switzerland come out the dominant (highest frequency) place. But England, > and even Norway, still have a significant frequency of I2.0110*. (In > contrast, the I2.00* branch for example, has a very low frequency in > England, and a high frequency in Eastern Europe.) > > Terry > > 2012/2/23 Daniel Suárez Díaz <dsuarez_job@hotmail.com> > > > > > Terry, > > > > Thank you for share your work. Let me make you some questions about the > > branch I2.0110*. These branch correspon to the I2ab2 haplogroup and > > acording to the studies of Hans de Beule, the present day distribution is > > limited to the Upper Rhine and the British Isles. Also in the I2ab2 FDNA > > project, the most of the samples are British. However in your I2.0110* map > > with 63 samples, the major figures correspon to France and Switzerland. > > > > Therefore my questions are: > > > > - How many French and Swiss samples have you used? > > > > - Which are your sources? > > > > - And if the sources are public, Have you overweighted them or in other > > words, Have you underweighted the British samples because many of them are > > the same family? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Daniel Suarez. > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:27:04 +1100 > > > From: tdrobb@gmail.com > > > To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] STR Branches, SNP's, Geographic Origin > > > > > > Often people ask about what SNP's they should look at testing, given > > their > > > particular STR values. In addition, people sometimes ask what can be said > > > about their ancestral geographic origin based again on their STR values. > > > > > > One can in fact answer those types of questions in an objective sense. > > > > > > The methodology I used is quite simple. First, I collected as much STR > > > haplotype data as I could (I got over eight thousand I1 and I2 samples > > from > > > various FTDNA Projects and from the Ysearch database). Next, I organised > > > that large STR dataset into "hierarchical clusters" using a standard > > > mathematical technique. Finally, I counted up the number of SNP alleles > > > (either positive or negative) that occurred within each cluster, now > > called > > > an STR "Branch", and I displayed the results; and I also plotted maps of > > > the frequency distribution of the most-distant-known-ancestor of each STR > > > Branch member across all regions of Europe. > > > > > > The results are very informative. > > > > > > The answer to many questions just depend on knowing your STR "Branch > > Code". > > > In the system I use, the Branch Code is essentially just a way of > > labelling > > > the STR branches in the computed hierarchical tree, and it is very > > similar > > > to the "Henry System" used in genealogy for numbering the descendants of > > an > > > ancestor. > > > > > > To determine your very own STR Branch Code in the system I use, see: > > > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi > > > > > > Enter you FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID, and (hopefully) it will return > > > your STR Branch Code. (Only works for y-haplogroups I1 and I2, and 67 or > > > more STR markers at present.) > > > > > > Follow the links to see what your STR Branch Code can tell you. > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken etal, I see by Terry’s STR branch code routine that I ought to test for Z58 and Z59. Is it best to test for both at once or one at a time? Also FTDNA says L211 is recommended. Is that a worthwhile move for me? Bill Hawk #117095 Ysearch J65K4

Daniel, The data sources I used, for the STR 67-markers, are from various public FTDNA Projects (mainly the I1 Project), plus data from Ysearch (making sure not to double count the same data). The maps are the *frequency* of occurrence of the particular branch within the given country/region. Here the frequency is the number of people in the branch, divided by the number of people that have been tested in the region. That weighting hopefully reduces the bias of popular DNA testing regions like England, compared to some less popular testing regions. For your I2.0110* Branch, that frequency comes out highest in France and Switzerland. Numerically, there are a large number of I2.0110* people with a reported origin from England, but that large number should be scaled down by the correspondingly large number of people from England that have taken the STR 67-marker test. After that is accounted for, places like France and Switzerland come out the dominant (highest frequency) place. But England, and even Norway, still have a significant frequency of I2.0110*. (In contrast, the I2.00* branch for example, has a very low frequency in England, and a high frequency in Eastern Europe.) Terry 2012/2/23 Daniel Suárez Díaz <dsuarez_job@hotmail.com> > > Terry, > > Thank you for share your work. Let me make you some questions about the > branch I2.0110*. These branch correspon to the I2ab2 haplogroup and > acording to the studies of Hans de Beule, the present day distribution is > limited to the Upper Rhine and the British Isles. Also in the I2ab2 FDNA > project, the most of the samples are British. However in your I2.0110* map > with 63 samples, the major figures correspon to France and Switzerland. > > Therefore my questions are: > > - How many French and Swiss samples have you used? > > - Which are your sources? > > - And if the sources are public, Have you overweighted them or in other > words, Have you underweighted the British samples because many of them are > the same family? > > Thanks in advance. > > Daniel Suarez. > > > > > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:27:04 +1100 > > From: tdrobb@gmail.com > > To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] STR Branches, SNP's, Geographic Origin > > > > Often people ask about what SNP's they should look at testing, given > their > > particular STR values. In addition, people sometimes ask what can be said > > about their ancestral geographic origin based again on their STR values. > > > > One can in fact answer those types of questions in an objective sense. > > > > The methodology I used is quite simple. First, I collected as much STR > > haplotype data as I could (I got over eight thousand I1 and I2 samples > from > > various FTDNA Projects and from the Ysearch database). Next, I organised > > that large STR dataset into "hierarchical clusters" using a standard > > mathematical technique. Finally, I counted up the number of SNP alleles > > (either positive or negative) that occurred within each cluster, now > called > > an STR "Branch", and I displayed the results; and I also plotted maps of > > the frequency distribution of the most-distant-known-ancestor of each STR > > Branch member across all regions of Europe. > > > > The results are very informative. > > > > The answer to many questions just depend on knowing your STR "Branch > Code". > > In the system I use, the Branch Code is essentially just a way of > labelling > > the STR branches in the computed hierarchical tree, and it is very > similar > > to the "Henry System" used in genealogy for numbering the descendants of > an > > ancestor. > > > > To determine your very own STR Branch Code in the system I use, see: > > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi > > > > Enter you FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID, and (hopefully) it will return > > your STR Branch Code. (Only works for y-haplogroups I1 and I2, and 67 or > > more STR markers at present.) > > > > Follow the links to see what your STR Branch Code can tell you. > > > > Terry > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My latest as expected, the ultimate I1* generic: M253+ *Z63- Z59- Z58- Z131-* P259- P109- M72- M227- M21- L22- The only thing positive is that from here on it will be rather cheap - no more SNPs to test in any direction. Best regards Ken 2012/2/11 Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > Actually, the Z58- Z63- Z131- I1xL22 population is quite large. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dora Smith > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 11:41 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] My Z-SNP results > > My brother and his Y DNA clone have tested everything and they're negative > for everything. > > Dora > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Automatic reverse lookup now added to http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi* .* So there are now four principle uses, once you have got your STR Branch Code: 1) You can graphically see in the maps the frequency that various countries/regions are listed as the place of origin (for the most distant known male-line ancestor), as reported in the various FTDNA Projects, for others in your STR Branch; 2) You can see what sort of SNP alleles (either positive or negative) that others with similar STR Branch Codes have; 3) If you know someone else's STR Branch Code, then by marking the two code positions in the tree, you can follow the two branches back to where they join, and read the horizontal axis to get an idea of the date when you might have had a common male-line ancestor (add a larger margin of error to that date though); 4) and finally with the automatic reverse lookup, you now get a list of FTDNA Kit Numbers, and Ysearch ID's and other details, for people that closely match your own STR Branch Code. Terry

Diana has kindly answered my question. Thank you. There is no need for any other answers on this topic.

SNP L803 test results: L803- Vic Jensen FTDNA Kit N29579 Ysearch DM35M

Unless you are a DNA match with someone, in which case their name and email address will be showing up on the Y-DNA Matches page of your member account, there is no direct way to get that information. Project administrators are not supposed to give it out: http://www.familytreedna.com/privacy-policy.aspx The most they can do (are supposed to do) is contact the person for you, giving them your address and the option to contact you. As for their lineage, some projects supply the lineage, some don't. If the project hasn't supplied it, the only way to get it is to contact the person. If you can't contact the person, or if you contact them and they don't respond, you may be out of luck. Occasionally, I'm able to figure out the line once I have the name and email address of the test subject. If someone is an active researcher, they have probably messaged online about their genealogy and their postings will turn up on a Google search. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter and Connie Bradish > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:19 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Question > > To those of you who have access to other people's information on > Family > Tree DNA: > My husband and I both have kit numbers and passwords to get into > our > accounts on Family Tree DNA. However we are working another surname > besides Bradish. Going on WorldFamilies.net we have found 5 37 > marker > sets of results with surnames and Kit Numbers. > We need the following information: name of person tested if > possible, > known genealogy of that person or at a minimum contact (e mail > address) > information for that person. I have not found a way to do that on > Family > Tree DNA. > I realize this is off topic. But since some of you have access > into > Family Tree DNA information, could you please contact me > (bradish@attglobal.net) with some suggestions. > Thank you for your time. Connie Ohlman Bradish

To those of you who have access to other people's information on Family Tree DNA: My husband and I both have kit numbers and passwords to get into our accounts on Family Tree DNA. However we are working another surname besides Bradish. Going on WorldFamilies.net we have found 5 37 marker sets of results with surnames and Kit Numbers. We need the following information: name of person tested if possible, known genealogy of that person or at a minimum contact (e mail address) information for that person. I have not found a way to do that on Family Tree DNA. I realize this is off topic. But since some of you have access into Family Tree DNA information, could you please contact me (bradish@attglobal.net) with some suggestions. Thank you for your time. Connie Ohlman Bradish

Some improvements, and changes to come: 1) Case sensitivity fixed. 2) Thousands more Ysearch ID's will be handled (sometime next week), including the missing I2 Ysearch ID's. 3) Reverse lookup will come sometime next week as well, and you will get links to your closest Branch Code matches. Terry On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > ... > To determine your very own STR Branch Code in the system I use, see: > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi > > Enter your FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID, and (hopefully) it will return > your STR Branch Code. (Only works for y-haplogroups I1 and I2, and 67 or > more STR markers at present.) > > Terry >

Hi Terry First - thank you very much for this. I find it very useful. Second - I think that both you and FTDNA have forgotten the new SNP L813. It seems to be in the shade of all the new SNPs. Being L813+ I would like to draw your attention to the 5 derived and 8 ancestral L813 that has been found so far. The derived are all from the BBA cluster. Ole -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Terry Sendt: 23. februar 2012 15:07 Til: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com Emne: Re: [yDNAhgI] STR Branches, SNP's, Geographic Origin Some improvements, and changes to come: 1) Case sensitivity fixed. 2) Thousands more Ysearch ID's will be handled (sometime next week), including the missing I2 Ysearch ID's. 3) Reverse lookup will come sometime next week as well, and you will get links to your closest Branch Code matches. Terry On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > ... > To determine your very own STR Branch Code in the system I use, see: > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi > > Enter your FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID, and (hopefully) it will return > your STR Branch Code. (Only works for y-haplogroups I1 and I2, and 67 or > more STR markers at present.) > > Terry > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message