Hello Terry, I commend you for your efforts, but I'm afraid I see problems here. I'm the admin of the STRAUB Y-DNA Surname Project, and STRAUB #23492 is my Hg I1-AS5 first cousin. If you search on his kit number, you get a list of STRAUB, STROUP, STROPP, CRUMP, and BELEW: http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=23492 Everyone on this list (as of this morning) is a member of the same family in my STRAUB project, and they are matching at high STR marker levels (107/111 or better): http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Straub/StraubDNA-results-HgI1-AS5.html Several have been deep SNP tested, and one has been exhaustively SNP tested, even to the extent of discovering L592+ in a WTY. Unless a new SNP is discovered and needs testing, I see no reason for any of them to be further SNP tested, and I especially don't see any reason for any of them to test a SNP upstream of Z58: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/SNP-maxout-HgI1.html#L592 I'm sorry to be a wet blanket, here, but I really don't see how this decision can be automated, at all. There are other factors to take into account, such as, "Have any other members of this family been SNP tested, and what were their results?" If someone can't figure out, for themselves, what they need to test, my best advice is to ask on this list - or privately ask one of the admins of the Hg I1 project. Diana > From: Behalf Of Terry > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:46 PM > > There are common questions that people often have in regards to > their > 67-marker STR test results. > > Such as place of geographic origin, likely SNP mutations, or close > haplotype matches etc. > > To answer such questions it helps to know where someone's 67-marker > STR > result fits in with everyone else's result. A rational way of > organising > results is to compute a hierarchical cluster tree, and then > systematically > label each person in that tree according to an STR "Branch Code". > This > Branch Code labelling system is very similar to the "Henry System" > used in > genealogy for numbering the known descendants of an ancestor. > > Easiest to see what I mean, by checking out the tool at: > > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi > > You can enter your FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID (currently only > works for > haplogroups I1 and I2), and if the entry is valid, you will get your > Branch > Code, and then the following output: > > 1) a short list of close matches, and the estimated time-frame for > the > common ancestor of the very closest match; > > 2) a map showing the frequency of occurrence of your Branch Code > in all > countries/regions across Europe; > > 3) a list of SNP mutation pathways, with suggestions for your > likely path > based on your Branch Code. > > Finally, there is a link that discusses the simple methodology I > used, and > that link also gives additional details such as the computed tree > showing > the "big picture" view of how people in y-Haplogroups I1 and I2 are > connected. > > Eventually, I may add y-Haplogroups R1b and R1a. > > In the meantime, for I1 and I2 people, let me know how you go. > > Terry

Ken and all, Your hunch paid off - results in today - I am Z63+ Any further suggestions now? Thanks! Stuart KIt No: B1292 YSearch: VPCVT On 14 February 2012 20:13, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > You look generic to me. But I sense a similarity to another generic who > has > tested Z63+. You could save yourself a few bucks by testing that marker > first, and only if negative go to the Z58. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Phethean > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:25 AM > To: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Further tests for I1-ASgenerics > > I have recently transferred in to FTDNA my original Relative > Genetics/Ancestry test and upgraded from 37 to 67 markers. > > I am I1-AS (generic) according to the data, with a recommendation to order > Z58 and Z63. Would you advise that I go ahead and do this, or are there any > other additional tests that I should consider? Any suggestions welcomed! > > > KIt No: B1292 > YSearch: VPCVT > > > > Regards, > > Stuart > > >

Hi, William and Phil There are no Z SNP's for either Roots (Phil) or Isles (William) at the moment. Regarding Roots, we got our 5th L812+ member yesterday, proving that this SNP is geographically spread out (England, France, Portugal and consequently the US and Brazil as well). Thanks, Aaron Torres Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Continentals: SNP Z186 now available on FT DNA! Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:34 PM From: "Phil Alfeld" <palfeld@skndlaw.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Aaron, is there any tests which M223 Roots should be undergoing?  Thanks. Forwarded Message: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Continentals: SNP Z186 now available on FT DNA! Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Continentals: SNP Z186 now available on FT DNA! Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:50 PM From: "William McReynolds" <bill4csa@bellsouth.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com I have attempted to view results at FTDNA and when I change the page s? It's been a long wait but the new M223 Z series SNP's are now finally available on FT  DNA! What Z's should I order? To see were you fit on the M223 tree, please look for your kit#, surname or ancestor name at http://bit.ly/M223ClassicResults . Make sure to set table size to 1100 to view all results. When I try to view the results on FTDNA page and change the view size it returns to default view. Also when I click page 2 it doesn't change the page. What should I do? kit 12835 William McReynolds

CORRECTION from my post! I had a mistake in the row for Kit #148258. I had shown you as having taken Z-138, Z-139, and Z-140, which you have not taken. This is what I get for not proof-reading my table: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/SNP-maxout-HgI1.html#matrix I'll go back and proofread it, now. I was too burned out to do it at the time. Painful lesson learned... Sorry. Diana > From: Behalf Of Sam Eaton > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:20 PM > > Kit 148528 results are in, > > Your Halogroup Tests > I1 Z58+ P40+ P30+ M307+ M253+ L81+ L80+ L75+ L64+ L348+ L187+ > L186+ L157.1+ L125+ L124+ L123+ L121+ Z63- Z131- P259- P109- M72- > M507- M227- M21- L338- L242- L234- L22- L211- L205- > > Suggestions for further tests? Conclusions?

Of the Z-SNPs downstream of M253 currently available at FTDNA, you are missing only Z59, Z60, and Z73. If you want to max out *all* SNPs downstream of M253, which you have almost done: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/SNP-maxout-HgI1.html#matrix you would add L258, L287, and L300. Based on the current haplotree, you would presumably be negative for Z73 and the three L-SNPs. The critical ones are Z59 and Z60. Diana > From: Sam Eaton > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:20 PM > > Kit 148528 results are in, > > Your Halogroup Tests > I1 Z58+ P40+ P30+ M307+ M253+ L81+ L80+ L75+ L64+ L348+ L187+ > L186+ L157.1+ L125+ L124+ L123+ L121+ Z63- Z131- P259- P109- M72- > M507- M227- M21- L338- L242- L234- L22- L211- L205- > > Suggestions for further tests? Conclusions?

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~geneticgenealogy/ratestuff.htm On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Allen <KE7IQQ@comcast.net> wrote: > Hil > > I am working on a Cladeagram for my Hulse /Hults project. > I could use a table of Mutation rates for the STR values. Does anyone know > where I might find that? > > Thanks > Allen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have attempted to view results at FTDNA and when I change the page s? It's been a long wait but the new M223 Z series SNP's are now finally available on FT DNA! What Z's should I order? To see were you fit on the M223 tree, please look for your kit#, surname or ancestor name at http://bit.ly/M223ClassicResults . Make sure to set table size to 1100 to view all results. When I try to view the results on FTDNA page and change the view size it returns to default view. Also when I click page 2 it doesn't change the page. What should I do? kit 12835 William McReynolds

Aaron, is there any tests which M223 Roots should be undergoing? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Salles Torres [mailto:sallfertorr@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:59 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Continentals: SNP Z186 now available on FT DNA! Hi, Rossa 6 of our 8 participants are currently showing on the Finch server as currently in progress. 8 of 8 are showing on GAP as currently in progress. Expected dates officially vary from mid-March to the end of April. In any case, it should be a while before the newly discovered SNP's are available for purchase at FT DNA. Our current M223 WTY participants are (some of them applied independently): 12526 - 3/26/2012 22066 - 3/28/2012 48274 - 3/21/2012 65183 - 3/26/2012 83425 - 4/23/2012 127052 - 3/26/2012 199243 - 4/16/2012 E5922 - 4/23/2012 A note by FT DNA: "Your WTY test is still in progress. The WTY can take some time as each test includes sequencing of three plates of ninety-six Ychromosome PCR segments. We are sequencing in both the forward and the reverse directions. Thus, the average number of total unique bases sequenced on the Y-chromosome will exceed 180 kB. The DNA segments chosen can be considered as randomly chosen regions on the Ychromosome which are unlikely to recombine. There will be no re-runs (unless the sample failed completely or returns results for less than half the expected sequence). Your test results are expected by this date. " Thanks, Aaron Torres Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Continentals: SNP Z186 now available on FT DNA! Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:27 AM From: "Rossa Mullen" <rossa1978@yahoo.com> To: "y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com" <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sorry to be off topic, but do you know when the reults of the recent M223 walk the y participants will be available? ________________________________

The two sub-branches of Z58 are Z59 and Z138/Z139. On 2/28/2012 11:20 AM, Sam Eaton wrote: > Kit 148528 results are in, > > Your Halogroup Tests > I1 Z58+ P40+ P30+ M307+ M253+ L81+ L80+ L75+ L64+ L348+ L187+ L186+ L157.1+ L125+ L124+ L123+ L121+ Z63- Z131- P259- P109- M72- M507- M227- M21- L338- L242- L234- L22- L211- L205- > > Suggestions for further tests? Conclusions? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I just ordered Z73 for my AS2 CORBIN (Z138+/Z139+), AS5 STRAUB (L592+), and AS1 THOMPSON (L338+). Diana > From: Robert Haskins > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:39 AM > > I also just ordered SNP Z73 from FTDNA. This will > check it from the I1 AS-2 perspective. > > Bob Haskins

They're due the end of March. At least mine are.... Dave On 2/28/12, Rossa Mullen <rossa1978@yahoo.com> wrote: > Sorry to be off topic, but do you know when the reults of the recent M223 > walk the y participants will be available? > > > > ________________________________ > From: Aaron Salles Torres <sallfertorr@yahoo.com> > To: ISOGG@yahoogroups.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; > y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:07 PM > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Attention Continentals: SNP Z186 now available on FT DNA! > > Dear I2b1/M223 Project Members, > > It's been a long wait but the new M223 Z series SNP's are now finally > available on FT > DNA! > > If > you belong to the large Cont group of M223 and/or have previously > tested positive for L801, please consider ordering SNP Z186. > > Other > than the fact that this SNP was discovered by 1000 Genome Project > volunteers in individuals that were supposedly positive for L801, we > currently have little information on Z186. So we need the cooperation of > members from the various Cont subgroups to determine where Z186 fits on > the Y-tree (hopefully it will equate to one or more of the Cont groups). > > > If you do test positive for Z186, then please test for its > downstream SNP's as well: Z78 and Z79. They are also available on FT > DNA! To see the current M223 Z SNP tree proposed by > the 1000 Genome researchers, please visit: http://bit.ly/M223Z186 . > > If > you belong to the Cont subgroups (Cont3a and Cont2c) that are negative > for L801 and would like to volunteer to test for Z186, your cooperation > would be appreciated as well. > > > > To order these SNP's, follow the steps: > > 1- Log into your FT DNA account > > 2- Click on "Order an upgrade" (upper right corner) > > 3- Click on "Order advanced tests" (note: not "Order advanced SNP > tests") > > 4- Select SNP in the dropdown > menu > > 5- Type the SNP name in the box > > 6- Add to your basket, place your order > > To see were you fit on > the M223 tree, please look for your kit#, surname or ancestor name at > http://bit.ly/M223ClassicResults . Make sure to set table size to 1100 > to view all results. > > Other test recommendations are: > > If > you belong to the Roots subgroup of M223, please upgrade to the 67 > markers. At the moment, this is the only way we can classify your > results. > > And if you belong to the Ungrouped (unclear) group, > please upgrade to the 67 markers as well and/or test for the recommended > SNP's. There are some very interesting results in that unknown group > and we'd love to learn more. Surnames include > > Nijwening, > > Chantereau, Thomas, Hesse, Taintor, Pastrana, Gautret, > > Costa, Young, Belding, Ferreiro, Wentworth, > > Spangenberg, > > Jesatko, Olivera, > > Fischbach, Loew and more. > > Finally, > no matter what your subgroup, please invite all your matches to join > the I2b1/M223 project so we can investigate your results together. > > > > Best regards, > > Aaron Torres > > I2b1/M223 Project Administrator > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kit 148528 results are in, Your Halogroup Tests I1 Z58+ P40+ P30+ M307+ M253+ L81+ L80+ L75+ L64+ L348+ L187+ L186+ L157.1+ L125+ L124+ L123+ L121+ Z63- Z131- P259- P109- M72- M507- M227- M21- L338- L242- L234- L22- L211- L205- Suggestions for further tests? Conclusions?

I, too, have ordered Z73. Vic Jensen N29579 DM35M

I also just ordered SNP Z73 from FTDNA. This will check it from the I1 AS-2 perspective. Bob Haskins rjhaskins@qwest.net FTDNA #N5004 Ysearch 5ET8U AS2, I1f2 (Z58+ Z139+ Z138+ Z59- L338-) -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Silfven Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:14 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP I just ordered SNP Z73 from FTDNA. Kit 154151, y-Search MUZGY Z60+, Z59+, Z58+, P38+, P212+, M253+, L41+ Z63-, Z140-, Z139-, Z138-, Z131, etc. Roy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you both. ________________________________ From: Aaron Salles Torres <sallfertorr@yahoo.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Continentals: SNP Z186 now available on FT DNA! Hi, Rossa 6 of our 8 participants are currently showing on the Finch server as currently in progress. 8 of 8 are showing on GAP as currently in progress. Expected dates officially vary from mid-March to the end of April. In any case, it should be a while before the newly discovered SNP's are available for purchase at FT DNA. Our current M223 WTY participants are (some of them applied independently): 12526 - 3/26/2012 22066 - 3/28/2012                     48274 - 3/21/2012                     65183 - 3/26/2012 83425 - 4/23/2012 127052 - 3/26/2012 199243 - 4/16/2012 E5922 - 4/23/2012 A note by FT DNA: "Your WTY test is still in progress.  The WTY can take some time as each test includes sequencing of three plates of ninety-six Ychromosome PCR segments. We are sequencing in both the forward and the reverse directions. Thus, the average number of total unique bases sequenced on the Y-chromosome will exceed 180 kB. The DNA segments chosen can be considered as randomly chosen regions on the Ychromosome which are unlikely to recombine. There will be no re-runs (unless the sample failed completely or returns results for less than half the expected sequence). Your test results are expected by this date. " Thanks, Aaron Torres Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Continentals: SNP Z186 now available on FT DNA! Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:27 AM From: "Rossa Mullen" <rossa1978@yahoo.com> To: "y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com" <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sorry to be off topic, but do you know when the reults of the recent M223 walk the y participants will be available? ________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Rossa 6 of our 8 participants are currently showing on the Finch server as currently in progress. 8 of 8 are showing on GAP as currently in progress. Expected dates officially vary from mid-March to the end of April. In any case, it should be a while before the newly discovered SNP's are available for purchase at FT DNA. Our current M223 WTY participants are (some of them applied independently): 12526 - 3/26/2012 22066 - 3/28/2012 48274 - 3/21/2012 65183 - 3/26/2012 83425 - 4/23/2012 127052 - 3/26/2012 199243 - 4/16/2012 E5922 - 4/23/2012 A note by FT DNA: "Your WTY test is still in progress. The WTY can take some time as each test includes sequencing of three plates of ninety-six Ychromosome PCR segments. We are sequencing in both the forward and the reverse directions. Thus, the average number of total unique bases sequenced on the Y-chromosome will exceed 180 kB. The DNA segments chosen can be considered as randomly chosen regions on the Ychromosome which are unlikely to recombine. There will be no re-runs (unless the sample failed completely or returns results for less than half the expected sequence). Your test results are expected by this date. " Thanks, Aaron Torres Re: [yDNAhgI] Attention Continentals: SNP Z186 now available on FT DNA! Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:27 AM From: "Rossa Mullen" <rossa1978@yahoo.com> To: "y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com" <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sorry to be off topic, but do you know when the reults of the recent M223 walk the y participants will be available? ________________________________

Sorry to be off topic, but do you know when the reults of the recent M223 walk the y participants will be available? ________________________________ From: Aaron Salles Torres <sallfertorr@yahoo.com> To: ISOGG@yahoogroups.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:07 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] Attention Continentals: SNP Z186 now available on FT DNA! Dear I2b1/M223 Project Members, It's been a long wait but the new M223 Z series SNP's are now finally available on FT DNA! If you belong to the large Cont group of M223 and/or have previously tested positive for L801, please consider ordering SNP Z186. Other than the fact that this SNP was discovered by 1000 Genome Project volunteers in individuals that were supposedly positive for L801, we currently have little information on Z186. So we need the cooperation of members from the various Cont subgroups to determine where Z186 fits on the Y-tree (hopefully it will equate to one or more of the Cont groups). If you do test positive for Z186, then please test for its downstream SNP's as well: Z78 and Z79. They are also available on FT DNA! To see the current M223 Z SNP tree proposed by the 1000 Genome researchers, please visit: http://bit.ly/M223Z186 . If you belong to the Cont subgroups (Cont3a and Cont2c) that are negative for L801 and would like to volunteer to test for Z186, your cooperation would be appreciated as well. To order these SNP's, follow the steps: 1- Log into your FT DNA account 2- Click on "Order an upgrade" (upper right corner) 3- Click on "Order advanced tests" (note: not "Order advanced SNP tests") 4- Select SNP in the dropdown menu 5- Type the SNP name in the box 6- Add to your basket, place your order To see were you fit on the M223 tree, please look for your kit#, surname or ancestor name at http://bit.ly/M223ClassicResults . Make sure to set table size to 1100 to view all results. Other test recommendations are: If you belong to the Roots subgroup of M223, please upgrade to the 67 markers. At the moment, this is the only way we can classify your results. And if you belong to the Ungrouped (unclear) group, please upgrade to the 67 markers as well and/or test for the recommended SNP's. There are some very interesting results in that unknown group and we'd love to learn more. Surnames include                                             Nijwening,                                             Chantereau, Thomas, Hesse, Taintor, Pastrana, Gautret,                                             Costa, Young, Belding, Ferreiro, Wentworth,                                             Spangenberg,                                             Jesatko, Olivera,                                             Fischbach, Loew and more. Finally, no matter what your subgroup, please invite all your matches to join the I2b1/M223 project so we can investigate your results together. Best regards, Aaron Torres I2b1/M223 Project Administrator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No need to order Z58, if you are Z138+/Z139+. You will be Z58+ Steve On 2/28/2012 8:07 AM, Ray wrote: > Good morning > Could someone advise if the Z73 snp test is one that I should take now that > it is available at FTDNA. > It was also suggested in a recent project group email that I backtrack and > do Z58,would that be necessary ? > Thanks > Ray Jenkins > I1-AS@ Z138+/Z139+ > Ysearch AETEN > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear I2b1/M223 Project Members, It's been a long wait but the new M223 Z series SNP's are now finally available on FT DNA! If you belong to the large Cont group of M223 and/or have previously tested positive for L801, please consider ordering SNP Z186. Other than the fact that this SNP was discovered by 1000 Genome Project volunteers in individuals that were supposedly positive for L801, we currently have little information on Z186. So we need the cooperation of members from the various Cont subgroups to determine where Z186 fits on the Y-tree (hopefully it will equate to one or more of the Cont groups). If you do test positive for Z186, then please test for its downstream SNP's as well: Z78 and Z79. They are also available on FT DNA! To see the current M223 Z SNP tree proposed by the 1000 Genome researchers, please visit: http://bit.ly/M223Z186 . If you belong to the Cont subgroups (Cont3a and Cont2c) that are negative for L801 and would like to volunteer to test for Z186, your cooperation would be appreciated as well. To order these SNP's, follow the steps: 1- Log into your FT DNA account 2- Click on "Order an upgrade" (upper right corner) 3- Click on "Order advanced tests" (note: not "Order advanced SNP tests") 4- Select SNP in the dropdown menu 5- Type the SNP name in the box 6- Add to your basket, place your order To see were you fit on the M223 tree, please look for your kit#, surname or ancestor name at http://bit.ly/M223ClassicResults . Make sure to set table size to 1100 to view all results. Other test recommendations are: If you belong to the Roots subgroup of M223, please upgrade to the 67 markers. At the moment, this is the only way we can classify your results. And if you belong to the Ungrouped (unclear) group, please upgrade to the 67 markers as well and/or test for the recommended SNP's. There are some very interesting results in that unknown group and we'd love to learn more. Surnames include Nijwening, Chantereau, Thomas, Hesse, Taintor, Pastrana, Gautret, Costa, Young, Belding, Ferreiro, Wentworth, Spangenberg, Jesatko, Olivera, Fischbach, Loew and more. Finally, no matter what your subgroup, please invite all your matches to join the I2b1/M223 project so we can investigate your results together. Best regards, Aaron Torres I2b1/M223 Project Administrator

Good morning Could someone advise if the Z73 snp test is one that I should take now that it is available at FTDNA. It was also suggested in a recent project group email that I backtrack and do Z58,would that be necessary ? Thanks Ray Jenkins I1-AS@ Z138+/Z139+ Ysearch AETEN