If they have 67 markers including the DYS565=9, then Dinarics need no snps right now in my opinion. Dinarics and Disles will sometimes be a bit iffy to separate with the shorter haplotypes. -----Original Message----- From: Bernie Cullen Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:42 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] What SNP tests should Dinarics do? Are Dinarics I2a2, I2a2a, I2a1b1a or I2a1b3? My response. Ken, I've given my recommendations for SNP testing for Dinarics: "None", if you have different recommendations please let me know before I email them. bernie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[[ I personally don't consider it very important to consider whether a key snp pertinent to your haplotype is or will likely eventually be in some company's or organization's y tree. Such organizations by their nature and inertia will always be somewhat behind the times in the constant redrawing of the y tree as new knowledge is accumulated, and the things put in or omitted from organizations' trees are somewhat influenced by political and business matters not important to us hobbyists . Better to collect the full evidence and recommendations of those especially tracking the portion of the y tree where you reside. This way you will learn about the most informative snps and/or key STR marker values for pinpointing your location in the most up to date y tree. And it is important to keep in mind that this tree is a constantly changing construction based on the growing body of empirical data from tests and the organization of that data. KN ]] -----Original Message----- From: Bernie Cullen Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:00 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: [yDNAhgI] What SNP tests should Dinarics do? Are Dinarics I2a2, I2a2a, I2a1b1a or I2a1b3? My response. As one of the volunteer administrators of the FTDNA I2a Project (I-P37.2) I often get questions from "Dinarics" asking about SNP testing and their place in the Haplogroup I tree. Below is my response earlier today to one of our members, I'm sending it to this mailing list and I will probably send a similar message to all of our Dinaric members too. Bernie Cullen What SNP tests have you done? None. FTDNA has only predicted you to be P37.2+ which is I2a according to their tree. That is the most specific prediction that they will make, even though it is obvious that you are I2a2. What SNP tests should you do? None, according to Bill Morrow and me, because your 25 markers match the Dinaric modal very well and all Dinarics have tested exactly the same way on all known SNPs. (except see note below about P41.2). What SNP tests could you do if you wanted certainty? M423, you will be M423+ like Dinarics and Disles and Isles, and your official haplogroup designation at FTDNA will be changed to a green I2a2. L69, you will be L69+ like Dinarics and Disles but Isles are L69-. This SNP is not part of the FTDNA tree and will never be part of the tree, and your official FTDNA haplogroup designation will not change based on your L69 result. L621, you will be L621+ like Dinarics and Disles but Isles are L621-. This SNP is not part of the FTDNA tree and your official FTDNA haplogroup designation will not change right now based on your L69 result. But probably it will be added to the tree later this year or next. L147, you will be L147+ like Dinarics but Disles and Isles are L147-. This SNP is not part of the FTDNA tree and will never be part of the tree, and your official FTDNA haplogroup designation will not change based on your L147 result. P41.2, you will very likely be P41.2- like all Dinarics in our project and all known I2a people at Family Tree DNA. Scientific papers have reported that about 1% of M423+ people in Bosnia and Croatia are P41.2+ but P41.2+ has not been found in other countries. There is a very small chance you could be P41.2+. Should you order a Deep Clade test or individual SNP tests? Probably individual SNP tests. A Deep Clade test cost $89 and you will very likely receive P37.2+ M423+ P41.2- results. Individual SNP tests cost $29 each plus a one time $9.50 charge for your first individual SNP order. There are multiple versions of the L147 test and you should order the L147.2 version. How do you order the tests? Login to your FTDNA personal page with your kit number and password.Click "Order an Upgrade" at the upper right. For a Deep Clade Test, click "Order Deep Clade Test" For individual SNPs, click "Order Advanced Test" (NOT Order Advanced SNP Test). In the Test Type box, choose SNP. In the marker box, type the test you want to order and click Find. Click Add and the page will refresh and you will see the test in your cart. Click Next at the lower right to give payment information. Finally, should you be called I2a or I2a2 or I2a2a or I2a1b or something else? At the Family Tree DNA project, Bill Morrow and I have been calling all Dinarics and Disles I2a2a and all Isles people I2a2b. Officially Family Tree DNA calls Dinarics and Disles I2a2 and Isles people I2a2b, or they call someone just I2a if he has not done SNP testing. Other sources, like haplgroup I expert Ken Nordvedt and www.isogg.org have rearranged the entire I2 tree and call Dinarics I2a1b1a or I2a1b3. (The difference between Ken and ISOGG comes from whether P41.2 and L147 are included in the tree). Our project probably will keep calling Dinarics I2a2a until one of two things happens: FTDNA updates its tree or new discoveries are made that clarify the relationship between the five known branches of P37.2 (which are M26, M423, L233 and "Alpine", L880, and P37.2*-"France") Bernie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Another case in point is L840. So far, the few who have tested it are all positive and, up until now, also P109+, so on the FTDNA draft tree, L840 is associated with P109+. However, in compiling these matrices, I found someone who is L840+, but negative for P109 and L22, while positive for Z63. Therefore, the SNP is logically upstream of L22 and Z63. The question, now, is whether it is upstream or downstream of M253." [[I believe the quote above is the operative part of your message for L840. Concerning your last sentence --- the issue is not upstream or downstream of M253; rather it is present phyloequivalence to M253 or not. As long as L840 remains phyloequivalent to M253 you will have no way to tell which is upstream or downstream of the other. And that ambiquity may remain forever and be a fact concerning the underlying tree. There are presently over 30 known snps presently phyloequivalent to M253 with many of these available for testing. There is nothing special about L840 which is presently in the same situation. The tiny number of I1xL22 who have tested L840 is matched by most of those 30 phyloequivalent snps which have either hardly been tested or not tested at all since their discoveries and additions to FTDNA catalog. At least we do know L840 happened quite upstream --- actually upstream of the NODE which is MRCA to both Z63 and L22 --- a node necessarily earlier than both the Z63 and L22 mutational events. That's very early in time and close to the MRCA for all of I1, diminishing even further the chances a L840- M253+ will be found. A lot of money can be sunk into trying to split such phyloequivalences and with no guarantee of success; probably more useful investments into testing can be encouraged, especially if the recommendations are directed to the general hobbyist. This being March 2012, the association of L840 with P109 in a "draft tree" is an error or failure to keep up to date --- certainly no good guide to testing. That an I1xL22 is L840+ has been known by many of us, and certainly FTDNA, since November 2011. KN ]] -----Original Message----- From: Diana Matthiesen Some people test SNPs for the reasons given on this page: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/SNP-maxout-HgI1.html Diana On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:59 PM > It is not clear why you would be urged to do L840? It seems far > upstream > and common to all I1.

Now that Dr Krahn has been able to cover so many more sites in his WTY, coupled with the apparent deep time separation of 7e from other branches of Z58- Z63- Z131-, yet the young age of 7e MRCA, you have a decent chance of finding a snp for 7e. I'd pick the most "normal" or central 7e haplotype that you can if you proceed with this WTY. Good luck, Ken -----Original Message----- From: Lplantagenet Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 7:12 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Question about WTY Ken, What do you think about WTY for AS7E? What's the chance of discovering a new SNP that would separate it from other subgroups negative for Z58, Z63, and Z131? I'm aware of only one man who has tested 111 markers; he has asked about further testing, but I told him that WTY is the only other option at present. I've also considered trying to encourage AS7E's to contribute to the I1 project so that one of them could participate in WTY. If you think that's a good idea, and enough people were willing to contribute, how would the successful candidate be chosen? Lindsey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tony Thanks for getting the clarification. Regards Julie Frame Falk <<-----Original Message----- From: Tony Bardy Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:51 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test Got an answer from Phillip Goff (ISOGG) who is responsible for the I Haplogroup : "I missed this in proofing the changes I sent in on January 29: >>>> “Z73: downstream of Z60/Z61 and parallel to Z62 and is 1f1a2 (1000 Genomes)” Tony’s observations agree with my instructions. Z73 needs to be downstream of Z60. Thanks, Phil >>

Toba eruption caused the genetic bottleneck, all survivors of which lived in Africa. Some descendants later populated Eurasia. People living on the Asian coast at the time of the eruption were probably killed. It was a very long time before IJK, which appeared in Central Asia. . Haplogroup I is quite broad enough a focus for this list. Emphasis is on haplotype clusters, finding new SNP's, and anthropology since the last ice age. Yours, Dora On 3/7/2012 5:48 AM, Didier VERNADE wrote: > List, > > This list is dedicated to I haplogroup , an early group in Europe. I would like to enlarge the picture and I would like to consider an approach of the early stages, those that > eventually ended in the IJK then [IJ] and I haplogroups : M89 (F) → M523 → M429 → M170 . > > Mount Toba is a volcano that went into eruption 73000 years ago (+/- 3000) . I know that very early stages are now in discussion but my point is that the very migratory > process is to be considered near the Toba's eruption date as it might have been influenced by this cataclysm. Link 1 is a map with mount Toba, north of Sumatra island, > indicated by a black spot, the blue circle depicting a wide area where the effect of the eruption was probably too strong for a survival. > http://sd-4.archive-host.com/membres/images/90261920431217746/Oppenheimer-toba.jpg > >

It means they've predicted their haplogroup. It's part of their standard Y-DNA STR test. It's nothing new in terms of what they do, they've just started giving it a name. Diana > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 6:32 PM > > It seems FTDNA reported out a lot of customer orders for > “prediction” today. What is this product? >

Ken, What do you think about WTY for AS7E? What's the chance of discovering a new SNP that would separate it from other subgroups negative for Z58, Z63, and Z131? I'm aware of only one man who has tested 111 markers; he has asked about further testing, but I told him that WTY is the only other option at present. I've also considered trying to encourage AS7E's to contribute to the I1 project so that one of them could participate in WTY. If you think that's a good idea, and enough people were willing to contribute, how would the successful candidate be chosen? Lindsey

KEN: I'm not sure what you are asking? Both Maxwell and Keaveney 113806 ought to be L161+ And then all that remains are more STR markers --- the 68-111 set. They will narrow somewhat the statistical uncertainty in the tmrca between the two. ******************************************* Thank you--you answered my question. I wanted to make sure there weren't any new downstream SNP's they should consider. I'll suggest an upgrade to Y-111, but at the moment I think they are more interested in testing another Kevan if we can find one who is willing to accept a free DNA test. We've made one offer, but so far he hasn't accepted. Lindsey

You're welcome Julie. On Tuesday, March 6, 2012, Julie Frame Falk <jdf4072@gmail.com> wrote: > Tony > > Thanks for getting the clarification. > > Regards > Julie Frame Falk > > <<-----Original Message----- > From: Tony Bardy > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:51 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test > > Got an answer from Phillip Goff (ISOGG) who is responsible for the I > Haplogroup : > > "I missed this in proofing the changes I sent in on January 29: > >>>>> “Z73: downstream of Z60/Z61 and parallel to Z62 and is 1f1a2 (1000 > Genomes)” > > Tony’s observations agree with my instructions. Z73 needs to be downstream > of Z60. Thanks, > > Phil >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ANTONIO BARDY FLORIDA CONNEXION PROPERTIES 7411 International Drive Orlando, FL 32819 Tel: 407-535-3639 Fax: 321-251-5599 E-mail: BUYHOMEINFLORIDA@GMAIL.COM Brasil SP: (11)3958-4311 Brasil RJ : (21)3958-1329

It seems FTDNA reported out a lot of customer orders for “prediction” today. What is this product?

Some people test SNPs for the reasons given on this page: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/SNP-maxout-HgI1.html Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna- > haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:59 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New Online Tool for Haplotype Analysis (only > for y-Haplogroups I1 and I2 at present) (Diana Matthiesen) > > It is not clear why you would be urged to do L840? It seems far > upstream > and common to all I1. > > L813+ has been restricted to a clade called I1-uN2 which has some > STR > characteristics you do not show. So I would expect you to be > negative > > So an L840+ would not signify anything other than what all previous > tests > have revealed about this snp --- it is positive for all I1. > An L813+ would be a surprising indication of your membership in > clade uN2, > but odds are for a negative here. > > Ken

I did submit the L840 and L813 tests on FTDNA. What would a positive test denote for each SNP? Best, Ritch Kit #:177347 ysearch: GBWJA Haplotype: I1d (L22+ P109- L300- L287- L258- L205-) > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Diana Matthiesen" <Diana@danishdemes.org> > To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com>, <buddhapup@gmail.com> > Cc: > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:44:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New Online Tool for Haplotype Analysis (only for y-Haplogroups I1 and I2 at present) > You could test L813: > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/SNP-maxout-HgI1.html#Top > > And L840... > > Diana > > >> From: buddhapup@gmail.com >> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 1:10 PM > <snip> >> >> My issue is that I am I1d (L22+ P109- >> L300- L287- L258- L205-) Kit No: 177347 and I have no other tests at >> the moment. Anyone aware of any new recent tests afoot or on the >> horizon for a L22+ who has tested negative for all downstream? >> >> Regards, Ritch

Martha, Thanks for that. When I next update things, that kit will appear, and presumably he will end up being placed quite near your kit number 15927. And for kit number 15927, his L233+ status is (currently) the end of the line for SNP testing. That may change as new SNPs get discovered. Terry On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:57 AM, MM Parker <mmparker@gmail.com> wrote: > Terry, > > Kit #96388 is not on ysearch but it is on the Ards Peninsua site under the > name Curran. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ardsdnaproject/default.aspx?section=yresults > > I will ask the owner of kit #96388 if he will join ysearch. > > I am in charge of kit #15927. Do you recommend more testing? > > Thanks. > > Martha Parker > > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Martha, > > I can see the results for Kit Number 159727 at > > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=159727 > > which says that that person is likely to be L233+. > > > > But for Kit Number 96388, I cannot see him appearing in any of the public > > FTDNA projects that I normally look at. > > > > So, given that his data is not publicly visible that explains why he is > not > > returned as a close match. > > > > Note even if he was to be included in the FTDNA I1 Project today, it will > > be a while before I fetch that data and incorporate it. > > > > Terry > > > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:50 AM, MM Parker <mmparker@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Thank you for the test Terry. > > > > > > I entered in kit #159727 in order to check the close matches for James > > > Curran b.1795 in Ballyhalbert. I was surprised that kit #96388 was not > > > shown as a close match since both the Currans who took the tests > descend > > > from James Curran b. 1795. Both were 67 marker tests. > > > > > > The person for kit #159727 was tested for L233 and the other was not. > Is > > > this the reason that a match is not shown? > > > > > > Is the information from this test FTDNA? If not perhaps that is the > > reason > > > kit #96388 does not show up. > > > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > Martha Parker > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Martha > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Martha, I can see the results for Kit Number 159727 at http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=159727 which says that that person is likely to be L233+. But for Kit Number 96388, I cannot see him appearing in any of the public FTDNA projects that I normally look at. So, given that his data is not publicly visible that explains why he is not returned as a close match. Note even if he was to be included in the FTDNA I1 Project today, it will be a while before I fetch that data and incorporate it. Terry On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:50 AM, MM Parker <mmparker@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for the test Terry. > > I entered in kit #159727 in order to check the close matches for James > Curran b.1795 in Ballyhalbert. I was surprised that kit #96388 was not > shown as a close match since both the Currans who took the tests descend > from James Curran b. 1795. Both were 67 marker tests. > > The person for kit #159727 was tested for L233 and the other was not. Is > this the reason that a match is not shown? > > Is the information from this test FTDNA? If not perhaps that is the reason > kit #96388 does not show up. > > Thanks for your help. > > Martha Parker > >

It is not clear why you would be urged to do L840? It seems far upstream and common to all I1. L813+ has been restricted to a clade called I1-uN2 which has some STR characteristics you do not show. So I would expect you to be negative So an L840+ would not signify anything other than what all previous tests have revealed about this snp --- it is positive for all I1. An L813+ would be a surprising indication of your membership in clade uN2, but odds are for a negative here. Ken -----Original Message----- From: buddhapup@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:17 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] New Online Tool for Haplotype Analysis (only for y-Haplogroups I1 and I2 at present) (Diana Matthiesen) I did submit the L840 and L813 tests on FTDNA. What would a positive test denote for each SNP? Best, Ritch Kit #:177347 ysearch: GBWJA Haplotype: I1d (L22+ P109- L300- L287- L258- L205-) > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Diana Matthiesen" <Diana@danishdemes.org> > To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com>, <buddhapup@gmail.com> > Cc: > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:44:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New Online Tool for Haplotype Analysis (only for > y-Haplogroups I1 and I2 at present) > You could test L813: > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/SNP-maxout-HgI1.html#Top > > And L840... > > Diana > > >> From: buddhapup@gmail.com >> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 1:10 PM > <snip> >> >> My issue is that I am I1d (L22+ P109- >> L300- L287- L258- L205-) Kit No: 177347 and I have no other tests at >> the moment. Anyone aware of any new recent tests afoot or on the >> horizon for a L22+ who has tested negative for all downstream? >> >> Regards, Ritch ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Got an answer from Phillip Goff (ISOGG) who is responsible for the I Haplogroup : "I missed this in proofing the changes I sent in on January 29: >>>> “Z73: downstream of Z60/Z61 and parallel to Z62 and is 1f1a2 (1000 Genomes)” Tony’s observations agree with my instructions. Z73 needs to be downstream of Z60. Thanks, Phil On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Why would you want to do Z58 if positive for Z`138 and Z139? > Makes very minimal sense to me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:07 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test > > Good morning > Could someone advise if the Z73 snp test is one that I should take now that > it is available at FTDNA. > It was also suggested in a recent project group email that I backtrack and > do Z58,would that be necessary ? > Thanks > Ray Jenkins > I1-AS@ Z138+/Z139+ > Ysearch AETEN > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A small group of volunteers update the tree from time to time. Check the bottom of the respective page. "Contact People for Haplogroup I: Phil Goff and Charles Moore" http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI.html -- Aaron ________________________________ From: Tony Bardy <tonybardy@gmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 5 March 2012, 14:31 Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test Thanks Ken, I have e-mailed  ISOGG asking what was the criteria used for placing z73 there. I hope they reply... Best regards, Tony Bardy

Thanks Ken, I have e-mailed ISOGG asking what was the criteria used for placing z73 there. I hope they reply... Best regards, Tony Bardy On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > It would be best if ISOGG explained why they place Z73 downstream of > Z138/Z139. > > The tree put out by 1000 Genomes organization which discovered these Z > series snps place Z73 downstream of Z60 or maybe Z60/Z61. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Bardy > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 2:41 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test > > I have pretty much the same question as ISOGG is placing Z73 as a > downstream of z138/z139 (which I tested positive for) but other groups are > placing it as a downstream of z60. > > Any inputs ? > > My kit number: 186577 > > Thanks, > > Tony > > > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > > > Why would you want to do Z58 if positive for Z`138 and Z139? > > Makes very minimal sense to me. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ray > > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:07 AM > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test > > > > Good morning > > Could someone advise if the Z73 snp test is one that I should take now > > that > > it is available at FTDNA. > > It was also suggested in a recent project group email that I backtrack > and > > do Z58,would that be necessary ? > > Thanks > > Ray Jenkins > > I1-AS@ Z138+/Z139+ > > Ysearch AETEN > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > ANTONIO BARDY > FLORIDA CONNEXION PROPERTIES > 7411 International Drive > Orlando, FL 32819 > Tel: 407-535-3639 > Fax: 321-251-5599 > E-mail: BUYHOMEINFLORIDA@GMAIL.COM > Brasil SP: (11)3958-4311 > Brasil RJ : (21)3958-1329 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ANTONIO BARDY FLORIDA CONNEXION PROPERTIES 7411 International Drive Orlando, FL 32819 Tel: 407-535-3639 Fax: 321-251-5599 E-mail: BUYHOMEINFLORIDA@GMAIL.COM Brasil SP: (11)3958-4311 Brasil RJ : (21)3958-1329

Thank you Terry. Great test! Martha On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > Martha, > Thanks for that. When I next update things, that kit will appear, and > presumably he will end up being placed quite near your kit number 15927. > > And for kit number 15927, his L233+ status is (currently) the end of the > line for SNP testing. That may change as new SNPs get discovered. > > Terry > > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:57 AM, MM Parker <mmparker@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Terry, > > > > Kit #96388 is not on ysearch but it is on the Ards Peninsua site under > the > > name Curran. > > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ardsdnaproject/default.aspx?section=yresults > > > > I will ask the owner of kit #96388 if he will join ysearch. > > > > I am in charge of kit #15927. Do you recommend more testing? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Martha Parker > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Martha, > > > I can see the results for Kit Number 159727 at > > > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=159727 > > > which says that that person is likely to be L233+. > > > > > > But for Kit Number 96388, I cannot see him appearing in any of the > public > > > FTDNA projects that I normally look at. > > > > > > So, given that his data is not publicly visible that explains why he is > > not > > > returned as a close match. > > > > > > Note even if he was to be included in the FTDNA I1 Project today, it > will > > > be a while before I fetch that data and incorporate it. > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:50 AM, MM Parker <mmparker@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Thank you for the test Terry. > > > > > > > > I entered in kit #159727 in order to check the close matches for > James > > > > Curran b.1795 in Ballyhalbert. I was surprised that kit #96388 was > not > > > > shown as a close match since both the Currans who took the tests > > descend > > > > from James Curran b. 1795. Both were 67 marker tests. > > > > > > > > The person for kit #159727 was tested for L233 and the other was not. > > Is > > > > this the reason that a match is not shown? > > > > > > > > Is the information from this test FTDNA? If not perhaps that is the > > > reason > > > > kit #96388 does not show up. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > > > Martha Parker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Martha > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Martha