Or AS13 = Z382+? -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:17 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed Looks like maybe AS3 will be Z382+ Was this a later addition by 1000 Genomes? It shows in a different color? -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Salles Torres Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:42 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed Here's the proposed placement: http://bit.ly/Z58Z63 Aaron Torres Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed Thursday, March 8, 2012 10:12 PM From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com wHERE does Z382 locate in the I1 tree? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looks like maybe AS3 will be Z382+ Was this a later addition by 1000 Genomes? It shows in a different color? -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Salles Torres Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:42 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed Here's the proposed placement: http://bit.ly/Z58Z63 Aaron Torres Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed Thursday, March 8, 2012 10:12 PM From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com wHERE does Z382 locate in the I1 tree? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What's your kit number? What's the surname? (I assume Eaton.) Is your most distant ancestor added to your profile? Aaron ________________________________ From: Sam Eaton <linh_my@yahoo.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2012, 13:42 Subject: [yDNAhgI] Can't find my kit According to FTDNA, I'm still enrolled in the I1 project and according to the new ISOGG tree I should be I1f Z58+ Still I can't find kit number anywhere in the project spreadsheet

wHERE does Z382 locate in the I1 tree? -----Original Message----- From: Roy Silfven Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:00 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed Hi Ken ~ I've ordered DF29. Other SNPs I've order are Z382, Z73, Z62. Z58+, Z59+, Z60+ L22-, P109-, Z63- Z131-, Z138-, Z139-, L211-, L803-, L802-, L573- Z140- L592- L338- Roy Roy Silfven rsilfven@bendcable.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's the proposed placement: http://bit.ly/Z58Z63 Aaron Torres Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed Thursday, March 8, 2012 10:12 PM From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com wHERE does Z382 locate in the I1 tree?

Hi Ken ~ I've ordered DF29. Other SNPs I've order are Z382, Z73, Z62. Z58+, Z59+, Z60+ L22-, P109-, Z63- Z131-, Z138-, Z139-, L211-, L803-, L802-, L573- Z140- L592- L338- Roy Roy Silfven rsilfven@bendcable.com

Hi, I Have ordered SNPs Z62 and Z141. Vic Jensen FTDNA Kit N29579 YSEARCH DM35M

No new developments for z138/139 right? On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Are you Z60+ Z140-? > Then Z73 test is for you. > Z62 test is for you, too. > Z141 is also an interesting test to do. > > Are you Z140+, then Z141 test could be of interest to you. > > Are you Z58- and Z63-? Then DF29 should be of definite interest for you > to test? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

-----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Last time someone suggested that [[getting df29 into catalog?]] it was the last thing they actually wanted anyone to do. Dora [[So what does "last thing THEY actually wanted anyone to do" have to do with it? It is what WE want to do that counts. KN ]]

DF29 is in the catalog as of today. I'd recommend it. In the early hours of testing for a slightly upstream snp like this, just about anyone can't go wrong ordering it. I will reiterate importance of DF29. An amazing fraction of the I1xL22 generics are turning out Z58- Z63-, along with a number of well established clades of I1 doing the same. Are they DF29 derived or ancestral? They could fall either way, so DF29 testing can make an important division of the population. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:50 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed So, to confirm that, Ken, you actually want us to write to Thomas Krahn? Last time someone suggested that it was the last thing they actually wanted anyone to do.

KEN: Once the snp status of a clear cut clade is determined consistently for a couple members, it is pretty safe to assume others in the clade follow suit. This assumption might be weakened for outliers. *********************************** Yes, that's what I am assuming. I hope I'll get one or two volunteers for DF 29, as I did for the three Z-SNPs. RE: outliers--I don't know anyone from the Ward, Titus, or Lindeburg families, but I would be interested in finding out whether they are negative or positive for the three SNPs already tested. Titus is a considerable distance from the modal and the rest at 67 markers--even more than I'd have expected from his 43 marker results. One AS7E Titus claims Frisian ancestry, but I was told by a Titus researcher that the line hasn't been proven. Lindsey

I believe I have asked FT DNA to look into this before. I'll have to check with them again. Aaron Torres Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22 Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:31 PM From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Does Martinez really have a null at DYS531?

All quiet on the 138/139 front, except I'd love to see more I1-ESc test for those snps -----Original Message----- From: Tony Bardy Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:19 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1xL22 tests --- Z62, Z141, Z73, DF29 No new developments for z138/139 right? On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Are you Z60+ Z140-? > Then Z73 test is for you. > Z62 test is for you, too. > Z141 is also an interesting test to do. > > Are you Z140+, then Z141 test could be of interest to you. > > Are you Z58- and Z63-? Then DF29 should be of definite interest for you > to test? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does Martinez really have a null at DYS531? -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Salles Torres Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:03 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22 As administrator of the Iberian I1 project, I have been trying to get individuals belonging to this group to test for the Z SNP's for ages, without any success. The only one of them in my project who upgraded to the 111 markers (Martinez) won't even test. Other surnames include Diaz, Baca, Lucero: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I1Iberico/default.aspx?section=yresults . This is a generalized problem concerning individuals of Portuguese or Spanish ancestry. They all tend to test very few markers, then completely abandon genetic genealogy. The biggest difficulty with individuals of Iberian ancestry is the language barrier. I have been trying to get FT DNA to do a version of their website in Spanish for a long time (it would be ideal if they did one in Portuguese as well). But it seems the company sees no value in that. Aaron Torres [yDNAhgI] New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22 Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:03 PM From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Over last couple days Marek Skarbek Kozietulski and I have fleshed out a new clade in I1xL22 and which is nicknamed I1-Iber. Being an I1 clade, with I1 not one of the regular haplogroups associated with Iberia, we would also like to find out if it has any membership beyond Iberia in Europe. So far we really have not found such, unless one really relaxes the match to the identifying STR values indicated above. Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One upgrade is better than none! I see that Martinez upgrade yields DYS525 = 11 which could potentially be another indicator of I1-Iber. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Salles Torres Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:03 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22 As administrator of the Iberian I1 project, I have been trying to get individuals belonging to this group to test for the Z SNP's for ages, without any success. The only one of them in my project who upgraded to the 111 markers (Martinez) won't even test. Other surnames include Diaz, Baca, Lucero: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I1Iberico/default.aspx?section=yresults . This is a generalized problem concerning individuals of Portuguese or Spanish ancestry. They all tend to test very few markers, then completely abandon genetic genealogy. The biggest difficulty with individuals of Iberian ancestry is the language barrier. I have been trying to get FT DNA to do a version of their website in Spanish for a long time (it would be ideal if they did one in Portuguese as well). But it seems the company sees no value in that. Aaron Torres [yDNAhgI] New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22 Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:03 PM From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Over last couple days Marek Skarbek Kozietulski and I have fleshed out a new clade in I1xL22 and which is nicknamed I1-Iber. Being an I1 clade, with I1 not one of the regular haplogroups associated with Iberia, we would also like to find out if it has any membership beyond Iberia in Europe. So far we really have not found such, unless one really relaxes the match to the identifying STR values indicated above. Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are you Z60+ Z140-? Then Z73 test is for you. Z62 test is for you, too. Z141 is also an interesting test to do. Are you Z140+, then Z141 test could be of interest to you. Are you Z58- and Z63-? Then DF29 should be of definite interest for you to test?

That was quick! I've just sent an e-mail to my AS7E's telling them they don't need to request DF29 after all. I also asked for a couple of volunteers willing to test it, so that we don't have too unnecessary orders. The SNP page of the I1 project indicates that St. Clair is negative for Z58, Z63, and Z131. I didn't realise until I saw that page a couple of weeks ago that St. Clair had ordered any SNPs. Allred is negative for Z58 and Z63 and we are still waiting for Creed's results for Z131. I've already told two AS7Es that you recommend WTY and have asked for suggestions about raising the money. I think a lottery for the Childers might work if enough of them are interested--$15 per ticket and if you buy more than one ticket you increase your chance of winning. Lindsey

Hi Sam Your results are towards the end, under 'Z58+........' There are over 3400 members, so you either have to change the size setting to 3500, or you can click on the last page of results. Steve Trangsrud --- On Thu, 3/8/12, Sam Eaton <linh_my@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Sam Eaton <linh_my@yahoo.com> Subject: [yDNAhgI] Can't find my kit To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, March 8, 2012, 1:42 PM According to FTDNA, I'm still enrolled in the I1 project and according to the new ISOGG tree I should be I1f Z58+ Still I can't find kit number anywhere in the project spreadsheet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As administrator of the Iberian I1 project, I have been trying to get individuals belonging to this group to test for the Z SNP's for ages, without any success. The only one of them in my project who upgraded to the 111 markers (Martinez) won't even test. Other surnames include Diaz, Baca, Lucero: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I1Iberico/default.aspx?section=yresults . This is a generalized problem concerning individuals of Portuguese or Spanish ancestry. They all tend to test very few markers, then completely abandon genetic genealogy. The biggest difficulty with individuals of Iberian ancestry is the language barrier. I have been trying to get FT DNA to do a version of their website in Spanish for a long time (it would be ideal if they did one in Portuguese as well). But it seems the company sees no value in that. Aaron Torres [yDNAhgI] New I1-Iber clade in I1xL22 Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:03 PM From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Over last couple days Marek Skarbek Kozietulski and I have fleshed out a new clade in I1xL22 and which is nicknamed I1-Iber. Being an I1 clade, with I1 not one of the regular haplogroups associated with Iberia, we would also like to find out if it has any membership beyond Iberia in Europe. So far we really have not found such, unless one really relaxes the match to the identifying STR values indicated above. Ken

According to FTDNA, I'm still enrolled in the I1 project and according to the new ISOGG tree I should be I1f Z58+ Still I can't find kit number anywhere in the project spreadsheet