Sam, Here is way to find your, or someone else's, FTDNA Kit Number or Ysearch ID that I have recorded in my I1 and I2 database. (I have over 8,000 entries, with more to be added.) At the top of the tool at http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi enter the first *four* letters of an ancestor name (in your case try EATO), and then press the button to search for all the names that match that four letter keyword. For names less than four letters, just enter that name. If the search result comes up blank, then you are not in my database. But in your case it finds a single match (kit number 148528) which I gather is your kit. Click on the link that is returned and you get more details. For other four letter keywords you may get a longer list of matches. Of course you can do all of this by visiting the various I1 Projects or Ysearch site, and do a search there. But the tool is a little easier for the things I do, so that is why I added that feature. But if you are not in the database I have, then it won't find you of course. http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Key=EATO http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=148528 Terry On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Sam Eaton <linh_my@yahoo.com> wrote: > According to FTDNA, I'm still enrolled in the I1 project and according to > the new ISOGG tree I should be I1f Z58+ Still I can't find kit number > anywhere in the project spreadsheet > >

Back to European paleolithic . I came to the conclusion that Aurignacian is the period making trouble and , as I was checking the dates for the Chauvet's painting (dated 31000 years BP) I found this : C.Züchner précise que la date donnée est celle de la fabrication du charbon de bois et non de la réalisation de la peinture. [sorry for this french sentence - I keep it for the name] "If we assume that the AMS dates are physically correct, then there must exist reasons causing results contradicting to archaeological evidence. Even if we rule out contamination, other events may entail aberrant results. One could be that prehistoric artists prepared charcoal with sub-fossil wood buried in river terraces or under glacial dunes. The idea may seem fantastic at first sight. But in fact there exists wood which survived in glacial sediments some hundred thousand years in very good condition. Roots and tree trunks of Allerød look sometimes so fresh that they cannot be distinguished from recent ones at first sight. Black paint prepared of this material today would appear 11,000 years old! The seemingly coherent sequence of dates may be explained by the fact that Gravettian people lightened fire and torches in the cave (Bednarik 1994 a.b). As its charcoal rests on the surface even today, it could be re-used by any later visitor to make some strokes. But there may ! be other reasons falsifying results of AMS dates too. Research started only at Grotte Chauvet and it is too early to jump at conclusions! Future will show what really happened there. In my opinion, Chauvet and his friends have not discovered the oldest cave sanctuary of the world, but - regarding its age and importance - a second Lascaux." and further : "The final straw came when I learned that some black dots in the Spanish cave of Candamo had been dated to more than 31,000 years ago by the lab which dated Chauvet; but samples from the same group of dots, dated by an American lab, produced two results of 15,000. (New scientist) . So I have written an article with the palaeolithic archaeologist Paul Pettit, a radiocarbon specialist, which is due to appear in the March issue of Antiquity, and in which we explain the Candamo anomaly, and examine the possible implications for Chauvet. I must stress that some figures in Chauvet may indeed be Aurignacian in date - we do not reject this - but we do argue that this is far from proven. What we urge - since it has not been done yet - is that multiple laboratories must be used in the direct dating of cave art (almost all dates so far, dozens of them, from umpteen caves, have come from the same lab); that samples should be split, where possible, for verification of results by differen! t labs; that undecorated walls should be checked for natural contamination; and that the existing dates should be published with full data in specialised journals - the new series of dates for Chauvet, for example, have as yet only been published in the coffee-table book. These points appear to us to be basic science, but none of them has yet been implemented." I now suspect tha Aurignacians people never produced arts, at least nothing comparable to the next period : Gravettian, now well documented. Gravettain is from 29000 to 22000 BP Aurignacian could be some kind of hybrid culture between Neanderthal and modern men. I suspect that genetics has plenty to say about datings and I am very sorry that it can't be posted on the I list while most people on other lists are mostly interested on R1b. > > > > > > There are many many choices for a population from K (interclade to IJ) > > > which > > > is parent to many haplogroups. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Didier VERNADE > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 4:38 PM > > > To: Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > Subject: Re: Mount Toba and the early stages of human expansion out of > > > africa > > > > > > Ahhh ! That makes a difference ; I missed the point. > > > I suggest L haplogroup as a reference point but those k* from Australia > > > and > > > Eurasia might do as well. > > > > > > May be it's some distant influence of A. Klyosov but it seems that we > > > are > > > getting to a point where a chronology can be tried. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The node I refer to where “I” branch line and “J” branch line part > > > > ways > > > > is > > > > END of IJ, more or less. Beginning of IJ would be estimated by > > > > interclade > > > > estimates between I and/or J haplotype populations and, for example, > > > > some > > > > R populations. > > > > > > > > From: Didier VERNADE > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:55 PM > > > > To: Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Subject: Re: Mount Toba and the early stages of human expansion out of > > > > africa > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the input. So, only [IJK] could fit for older times. The > > > > "Aurignacien" (french spelling...) is following Neanderthal in France > > > > and > > > > dates like 35000 are frequently mentioned... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only input to your question I have at the moment is that the node > > > > > age > > > > > for I > > > > > and J (MRCA of both I and J) has always come out less than 30,000 > > > > > years > > > > > when > > > > > I estimated it. But it has been some time since last estimate. KN > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Didier VERNADE > > > > > > > > > > My question to this list would be : how old can be [IJ] ? Can it fit > > > > > with > > > > > the earliest modern man in Europe, say around 50 000 years ago ? > > > > > > > > > > Didier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Thanks Ken. Will post Z139 results here as soon as they are available. On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > The people who classify you seem to use Z139 as brief name for a > subhaplogroup designation. You are actually Z138+ according to my records, > and they are presuming Z138 and Z139 are phyloequivalent. > > Your Z138+ raises the interesting question I mentioned a week or two ago. > Not only is the 487 = 13 clade i1-ESc-13 turning out Z138+ Z139+, but it > seems that much or most of the broader population of 487 = 13 within I1xL22 > will turn out to be Z138+/Z139+. That's something I am keeping my eye on > in > any event. > > I don't believe you are part of I1-ESc-13, however. It is only about 2000 > years old, allowing lots of upstream branch length for others to branch > off. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Bardy > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 8:23 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1xL22 tests --- Z62, Z141, Z73, DF29 > > I am not really sure if I'm in this clade (ESc) as I am classified as z139+ > (even though my z139 results are pending from FTDNA). > If you can shed any light here I would appreciate. Kit number 186577 (I > know that my dys487 is 13 but there is another 13 result in AS2 as well) > > Thanks, > > Tony > > > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > > > All quiet on the 138/139 front, except I'd love to see more I1-ESc test > > for > > those snps > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tony Bardy > > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:19 PM > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1xL22 tests --- Z62, Z141, Z73, DF29 > > > > No new developments for z138/139 right? > > > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > > <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > > > > > Are you Z60+ Z140-? > > > Then Z73 test is for you. > > > Z62 test is for you, too. > > > Z141 is also an interesting test to do. > > > > > > Are you Z140+, then Z141 test could be of interest to you. > > > > > > Are you Z58- and Z63-? Then DF29 should be of definite interest for > you > > > to test? > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ANTONIO BARDY FLORIDA CONNEXION PROPERTIES 7411 International Drive Orlando, FL 32819 Tel: 407-535-3639 Fax: 321-251-5599 E-mail: BUYHOMEINFLORIDA@GMAIL.COM Brasil SP: (11)3958-4311 Brasil RJ : (21)3958-1329

Terry, Excellent work and many thanks for all your efforts to help us. Much appreciated. Kind regards. Patrick Holland.

I am not really sure if I'm in this clade (ESc) as I am classified as z139+ (even though my z139 results are pending from FTDNA). If you can shed any light here I would appreciate. Kit number 186577 (I know that my dys487 is 13 but there is another 13 result in AS2 as well) Thanks, Tony On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > All quiet on the 138/139 front, except I'd love to see more I1-ESc test for > those snps > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Bardy > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:19 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1xL22 tests --- Z62, Z141, Z73, DF29 > > No new developments for z138/139 right? > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > > > Are you Z60+ Z140-? > > Then Z73 test is for you. > > Z62 test is for you, too. > > Z141 is also an interesting test to do. > > > > Are you Z140+, then Z141 test could be of interest to you. > > > > Are you Z58- and Z63-? Then DF29 should be of definite interest for you > > to test? > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks. I have archived the reference. Connie B. On 3/9/2012 9:50 AM, Roy Silfven wrote: > This is not my chart and I claim no involvement. If there are any inaccuracies, they're not my - nor any insights either. This chart is maintained by Pastor_Shag (screen name) who is Russian I think. He makes changes regularly. I have found it very interesting and useful. I am 154151 (MUZGY). > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag4TAbUs4_O2dDNLUHpoWWo2VEw4cHBTVUgxVURTQXc#gid=0 > > > Roy Silfven > rsilfven@bendcable.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Terry, I followed up with your results for me below and compared my 67 markers to the nearest match, a gentleman named Geib. We are 56 of 67. Not very close. However, his YSearch profile says his ancestor came from Leiben, Baden in 1811. Leiben is only 27 km from Sinsheim, the home of a family I've identified to match me 76/76. I've found several other Pennsylvania Dutch families who came from that same region ca. 1650-1750. It's getting warmer! John Rhodes On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > John, > I've just uploaded my latest database to the website. You seem to be there > now: > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=84WK4 > Not certain why it was missing before. > > A keyword search under RHOD also picks you too now. > > Terry > > > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, John M Rhodes <johnmrhodes409@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Terry. Does your tool work with ysearch number 84WK4 with 67 markers? I > > put it into YSearch in 2007 or 2008 and joined I group several months ago > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > This grouping is just, I believe, what I call "I1.000111*". A > typical... > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have one AS7E volunteer for DF29 (in the I1 project) , but he may not order for several days since he is away from home this weekend. Lindsey

The people who classify you seem to use Z139 as brief name for a subhaplogroup designation. You are actually Z138+ according to my records, and they are presuming Z138 and Z139 are phyloequivalent. Your Z138+ raises the interesting question I mentioned a week or two ago. Not only is the 487 = 13 clade i1-ESc-13 turning out Z138+ Z139+, but it seems that much or most of the broader population of 487 = 13 within I1xL22 will turn out to be Z138+/Z139+. That's something I am keeping my eye on in any event. I don't believe you are part of I1-ESc-13, however. It is only about 2000 years old, allowing lots of upstream branch length for others to branch off. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Tony Bardy Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 8:23 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1xL22 tests --- Z62, Z141, Z73, DF29 I am not really sure if I'm in this clade (ESc) as I am classified as z139+ (even though my z139 results are pending from FTDNA). If you can shed any light here I would appreciate. Kit number 186577 (I know that my dys487 is 13 but there is another 13 result in AS2 as well) Thanks, Tony On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > All quiet on the 138/139 front, except I'd love to see more I1-ESc test > for > those snps > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Bardy > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:19 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1xL22 tests --- Z62, Z141, Z73, DF29 > > No new developments for z138/139 right? > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > > > Are you Z60+ Z140-? > > Then Z73 test is for you. > > Z62 test is for you, too. > > Z141 is also an interesting test to do. > > > > Are you Z140+, then Z141 test could be of interest to you. > > > > Are you Z58- and Z63-? Then DF29 should be of definite interest for you > > to test? > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much, Terry. I'm back in the game. By any chance, does your tool include DF29 in its bag of possibilities yet? On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > John, > I've just uploaded my latest database to the website. You seem to be there > now: > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=84WK4 > Not certain why it was missing before. > > A keyword search under RHOD also picks you too now. > > Terry > > > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, John M Rhodes <johnmrhodes409@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Terry. Does your tool work with ysearch number 84WK4 with 67 markers? I > > put it into YSearch in 2007 or 2008 and joined I group several months ago > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > This grouping is just, I believe, what I call "I1.000111*". A > typical... > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It would be very helpful if some one made a chart for which SNPs should be tested for which subgroup of I. If there is such a chart, please give us the link. If not it would be appreciated if such a chart was developed and a link placed so we could refer to it. Thank you, Connie Bradish

They are not publically known. There was a mini-haplotype involving a freak value for DYS385 for one of their claimed Z131+ I recall. But no FTDNA test subject has ever turned up Z131+ -----Original Message----- From: K Ruud Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 8:07 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed Are the Z131+ DYS values very different from the others ? Or are they known at all ? 3 out of 15 were presumably Z131+, one would guess that several Z131+ would have had the chance to be found in the FTDNA tested bunch of people. A bit peculiar that not even one has been found. 2012/3/9 Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > We have not seen a Z131+ yet independently of its reported existence by > 1000 > Genomes, so this is all speculation. Indeed this is a mystery, since 1000 > Genomes reports seeing 3 (out of 15?) such Z131+ > > -----Original Message----- > From: K Ruud > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:47 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed > > I wonder if it is clear where the DF29 is located ? > > Is it downstream from M253 and upstream from Z58 and Z63 and not involving > the Z131 ? > > Just wondering if the DF29 and Z131 are running separately downstream from > M253 ? > > > Best regards > Ken Ruud > (Z58-, Z63-, Z131-) > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > 2012/3/9 Lplantagenet <lplantagenet@aol.com> > > > > > I have one AS7E volunteer for DF29 (in the I1 project) , but he may not > > order for several days since he is away from home this weekend. > > > > Lindsey > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I made my own SNP map based on a map and work done by Pastor_Shag's (his screen name) SNP map. Not sure of the over all accuracy but being a visual learner, it helps me to see the flow. https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1zY7StsPYK7y0d8UzDXRDYfyeZIuaRyurSrNnIM5fOpM/edit Roy Silfven rsilfven@bendcable.com

We have not seen a Z131+ yet independently of its reported existence by 1000 Genomes, so this is all speculation. Indeed this is a mystery, since 1000 Genomes reports seeing 3 (out of 15?) such Z131+ -----Original Message----- From: K Ruud Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:47 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed I wonder if it is clear where the DF29 is located ? Is it downstream from M253 and upstream from Z58 and Z63 and not involving the Z131 ? Just wondering if the DF29 and Z131 are running separately downstream from M253 ? Best regards Ken Ruud (Z58-, Z63-, Z131-) ---------------------------------------- 2012/3/9 Lplantagenet <lplantagenet@aol.com> > > I have one AS7E volunteer for DF29 (in the I1 project) , but he may not > order for several days since he is away from home this weekend. > > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For I1: Tree for I1 For all of I: Tree and Map for Haplogroup I both files at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Peter and Connie Bradish It would be very helpful if some one made a chart for which SNPs should be tested for which subgroup of I. If there is such a chart, please give us the link. If not it would be appreciated if such a chart was developed and a link placed so we could refer to it. Thank you, Connie Bradish

How old would this group likely be? Any chance it's Visigoth, Vandal or Alan? I think that's who would have taken I1 to Spain. I'm not actually sure the Vandals and Alans were Germanic; I think they might have been steppe people; Sarmatians or Scythians, living farther south. Dora On 3/8/2012 8:36 PM, Terry wrote: > This grouping is just, I believe, what I call "I1.000111*". A typical > member would be this person: > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=92519 > whose STR Branch Code is I1.0001111100001 . > > So that branch is already mapped, and called "I1.000111*". People in that > branch are often reporting Spain as the location of origin for their > most-distant male-line ancestor. And it is likely that most people in that > branch will be Z58+ Z59+ and onto Z60+ and then possibly Z140+ or other > things downstream (or not). >

This is not my chart and I claim no involvement. If there are any inaccuracies, they're not my - nor any insights either. This chart is maintained by Pastor_Shag (screen name) who is Russian I think. He makes changes regularly. I have found it very interesting and useful. I am 154151 (MUZGY). https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag4TAbUs4_O2dDNLUHpoWWo2VEw4cHBTVUgxVURTQXc#gid=0 Roy Silfven rsilfven@bendcable.com

Still awaiting for the SNP Z60 test results, I went ahead and ordered the new SNP Z141 test. On behalf of those Ulster (County Antrim) Anglo-Norman AS6 members in the 14/22 cludge, here is hoping for some new resolution. Terry, keep up the good work with your tables. Larry Harvey I1-M253-AS6 Kit #19860 Y-Search: S3BHN

Yellow color refers to more speculative candidate variants...could be a false positive (no-one will have Z382+). Greg On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Looks like maybe AS3 will be Z382+ > > Was this a later addition by 1000 Genomes? It shows in a different color? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Salles Torres > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:42 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed > > Here's the proposed placement: > > http://bit.ly/Z58Z63 > > Aaron Torres > > Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed > Thursday, March 8, 2012 10:12 PM > From: > "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > To: > y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > wHERE does Z382 locate in the I1 tree? > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Terry. Does your tool work with ysearch number 84WK4 with 67 markers? I put it into YSearch in 2007 or 2008 and joined I group several months ago Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Terry <tdrobb@gmail.com> wrote: > This grouping is just, I believe, what I call "I1.000111*". A typical > member would be this person: > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=92519 > whose STR Branch Code is I1.0001111100001 . > > So that branch is already mapped, and called "I1.000111*". People in that > branch are often reporting Spain as the location of origin for their > most-distant male-line ancestor. And it is likely that most people in that > branch will be Z58+ Z59+ and onto Z60+ and then possibly Z140+ or other > things downstream (or not). > > As a general principle, all such nice "groupings" of STR results are > already exhaustively mapped in the STR Branch Code Tree given in the link > at the top of > http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi . > > Just look at the picture of that tree given in the PDF file, and then find > any tight bunching of leaves and branches that you like. Then read off the > branch code if you want to give it a name. There are so many of them. > > For example, I1.011* is a nice little bunch, and it contains virtually all > the L338+ people. And I1.100* is another STR bunch that is from Finland and > has virtually all the L258+ people. Similarly, there is a main bunch for > Z63. And for I2-M438 people, there are some really nice bunches that are > tightly associated with an ancestral geographic region and with some > specific SNP alleles. > > So I1.000111* is just another STR bunch, which has a peak ancestral > location frequency in Spain. And it is associated with some SNP's etc. > > I could list many such examples. They are already mapped in the STR Branch > Code tree. > > Terry > > PS. The STR bunch I1.1100* may end up holding many of the L813+ people - I > am just waiting for more results to come in to see if that trend continues. > > > > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > >> Over last couple days Marek Skarbek Kozietulski and I have fleshed out a >> new clade in I1xL22 and which is nicknamed I1-Iber. >> >> It’s core members are from Iberia, Latin America, and New Mexico USA. The >> core looks very young back to its tmrca; and there are hints it’s members >> include Iberian Jews of earlier centuries. >> YHRD database indicates a mother lode of members from Colombia, South >> America >> >> Marek and I have maybe a different view about how far it extends beyond >> these core members; that is one of the things which z series snp tests and >> 68-111 marker extensions of haplotypes can help resolve. >> >> The core haplotype is identified by following STR values: >> >> DYS390 = 23 >> DYS391 = 11 >> DYS385 = 13/15 >> DYS447 = 22 >> DYS461 = 11 >> DYS576 = 15 >> >> and of course the DYS462 = 12 and DYS511 = 9 associated with I1xL22 >> >> It would help establish the outer boundaries of this clade if its z-series >> snp status could be determined and some extensions to 111 markers made on >> its haplotypes. >> >> Being an I1 clade, with I1 not one of the regular haplogroups associated >> with Iberia, we would also like to find out if it has any membership beyond >> Iberia in Europe. >> So far we really have not found such, unless one really relaxes the match >> to the identifying STR values indicated above. >> >> Ken >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message