Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, > well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think maybe I drew the wrong conclusion at first and the offer was to pay for a test for Childers. If so, do you want to make the choice or shall I? I seem to recal that one man perfectly matches your modal. Lindsey

Is this companion clade branch of T2 (DYS459a=7) or of Z63+? How old is this clade? Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 8:44 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk Marker identifiers are: 393 = 12 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 449 = 30 464d = 15 460 = 9 442 = 11 481 = 26 or 27 446 = 14 540 = 11 549 = 11 635 = 24 504 = 15 It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4877 - Release Date: 03/17/12

I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, > well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After sending nearly 50 e-mails to Childers concerning WTY (17 of which bounced), I decided to post the same e-mail at my old AS7E project at Ancestry. This morning I had an offer from the newest AS7E to purchase the test for himself. Trouble is, he was tested by Ancestry and then by 23 and me to confirm Ancestry--his results at the link below. http://dna.ancestry.com/compareY.aspx?uid=172449&user=2522885&preselected=true&last_flow_type=paternal If he transfers from Ancestry to FTDNA, do you (or does anyone here) know whether he would be eligible for WTY or would he have to purchase an upgrade to 37 markers at the time of transfer? I don't think from what he says that he would object to the additional cost, but it would cause a delay in ordering WTY. The only other response I've had is an offer of $200 from another AS7E, who is not a Childers either, so I'm inclined to take this offer. Lindsey

You pick the wty tester. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Lplantagenet Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:42 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Ken: AS7E Volunteer for WTY I think maybe I drew the wrong conclusion at first and the offer was to pay for a test for Childers. If so, do you want to make the choice or shall I? I seem to recal that one man perfectly matches your modal. Lindsey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk Marker identifiers are: 393 = 12 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 449 = 30 464d = 15 460 = 9 442 = 11 481 = 26 or 27 446 = 14 540 = 11 549 = 11 635 = 24 504 = 15 It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained.

DORA: In the Thousand Genomes Project, DF29 was found to be upstream of L22, Z58 and Z63 but not Z131. The Thousand Genomes Project tested 15 I1 Lx22 people and clearly missed alot. So now Ken and the others are trying to properly prove the place of DF29 in the tree. I'm sure alot of people are following the I1 SNP's. Ken is good at building phylogenetic trees but he does not have a monopoly on it. With a good deal of vague and sometimes contradictory ideas flying around, different trees aren't likely to look exactly alike. I judge trees partly by how clearly what is on them is explained. ********************************************* Thank you--I'm always skeptical when I don't see any data, and the tree didn't come directly from 1000 Genomes anyway. It shows DF29 upstream of M21,M227, M507, L22, Z58, Z63, as well as the still elusive Z131. Ken is General in charge of the I1 division at FTDNA and the least I can do is serve as one of his Lieutenants to recruit men from my family's AS7E subgroup. Two signed up last week for DF29. . I've been researching AS7E's since finding out in 2007 that my Britton cousins were members. I have 30 or 31 names in the group at this point, plus several others known or believed to be NPE's of Childers and a rather obvious--I think--NPE from Sandidge. My Brittons have no NPE's and no other family yet discovered is close enough for Britton to be its NPE. I need all the information I can get on the subgroup and I know that unless I keep other AS7E's informed about the latest research, they won't even know about new tests they ought to consider.

The following project member ordered an additional product: Carlton Eugene ( Gene) Prescott Kit Number: 160188 Test: Z58,DF29 E-mail: prescottg@gmail.com -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new!

What I found interesting from that table was the low counts for J haplotypes. Is not J more common in non-Basque Iberia? -----Original Message----- From: mattjolley@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:47 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Haploid group I samples from Basque and neighboringregions. Haploid group I samples from Basque and neighboring regions. http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/03/pre-roman-genetic-structure-has.html About 12 I1, 12 I2 M223, 57 I2 M26, and 5 other I2 out of about 900 samples. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Haploid group I samples from Basque and neighboring regions. http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/03/pre-roman-genetic-structure-has.html About 12 I1, 12 I2 M223, 57 I2 M26, and 5 other I2 out of about 900 samples.

Ken, Kit 123861, ysearch 28smf is now z58-, z63- and z131-. As a result I have ordered DF29. Do you consider my haplotype an outlier of AS generic? Carl Sheffield

In the Thousand Genomes Project, DF29 was found to be upstream of L22, Z58 and Z63 but not Z131. The Thousand Genomes Project tested 15 I1 Lx22 people and clearly missed alot. So now Ken and the others are trying to properly prove the place of DF29 in the tree. I'm sure alot of people are following the I1 SNP's. Ken is good at building phylogenetic trees but he does not have a monopoly on it. With a good deal of vague and sometimes contradictory ideas flying around, different trees aren't likely to look exactly alike. I judge trees partly by how clearly what is on them is explained. Yours, Dora On 3/14/2012 12:58 PM, Lplantagenet wrote: > A new I1 tree by Aleksandr Shtrunov. > > Does anyone know anything about this I1tree? Where is the data to support it? Do we actually know that DF29 is upstream of L22, Z58, Z63, Z131, etc.? > > I found the link to the Forum where it is posted on the Genealogy DNA list. > > http://eng.molgen.org/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=2 > > Lindsey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Your haplotype looks pretty generic, but has hints of being an outlier to the I1-ML clade but ML is Z58- Z63- and Z131-. So overall I think you are excellent case for ordering DF29. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Sheffield Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:18 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] The negative for all clade Ken, Kit 123861, ysearch 28smf is now z58-, z63- and z131-. As a result I have ordered DF29. Do you consider my haplotype an outlier of AS generic? Carl Sheffield ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A new I1 tree by Aleksandr Shtrunov. Does anyone know anything about this I1tree? Where is the data to support it? Do we actually know that DF29 is upstream of L22, Z58, Z63, Z131, etc.? I found the link to the Forum where it is posted on the Genealogy DNA list. http://eng.molgen.org/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=2 Lindsey

I think it would be good for one of the ML clade to do df29, even though variance estimates suggest ML branchline and AS4 branchline parted ways sometime toward the present, and AS4 is being tested for df29. So we need such basic one time confirmation tests for the tree structure but need not go overboard with redundant tests. It is with the generics with Z58- Z63- Z131- that I think the most thorough testing for df29 will be necessary, because test results on one generic tell us very little about what might be the situation for another generic. -----Original Message----- From: Car Low Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:04 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] DF29 Would it be any help to order DF29 or any other test for my husband who is in the ML category I1 and is Z neg for 63,58 and 131 ? Kit #34941 ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: Sharon Haggerty <smhaggerty@shaw.ca>; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] DF29 ordered for AS4 AS4 is good clade choice to do DF29 But we don’t need a bunch of redundant df29 tests for downstream clades. But the Z58- Z63- and presumably Z131- generic haplotypes need to do df29 in mass until any clear trend develops. We have absolutely no idea how they will break df29+ or df29-. From: Sharon Haggerty Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:01 PM To: knordtvedt@bresnan.net Subject: DF29 ordered for AS4 Kit #179925 has ordered DF29. His Y-DNA results for 111 markers are at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merideth/surnameproject.htm Other results posted by FTDNA are M253+ L338- Sharon Haggerty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had a dream the other day. Someone took a few clades of y haplogroups I and J, did some triangulation to make an educated guess of what the IJ MRCA haplotype might look like. She then used a program to randomly bring that IJ MRCA haplotype up to the present. Then a lab friend went into a present-day male’s y chromosome, and using dna molecular manipulation altered the STR repeats to fit this extrapolated (invented) IJ MRCA haplotype. All known present day snps relevant to fitting this deception were also altered. Then this male’s modified y chromosome was used in a fertilization of an egg, and a male child was born with this “IJ” ydna. It was announced to the world this April 1 that a child was found from IJ haplogroup. How long and at what expense would it take to expose such a joke on us? Ken P.S. These jokesters might even have gone so far as to do full y chromosome sequencing so as to find all y snps unique to I and unique to J and eliminated them.

AS4 is good clade choice to do DF29 But we don’t need a bunch of redundant df29 tests for downstream clades. But the Z58- Z63- and presumably Z131- generic haplotypes need to do df29 in mass until any clear trend develops. We have absolutely no idea how they will break df29+ or df29-. From: Sharon Haggerty Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:01 PM To: knordtvedt@bresnan.net Subject: DF29 ordered for AS4 Kit #179925 has ordered DF29. His Y-DNA results for 111 markers are at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merideth/surnameproject.htm Other results posted by FTDNA are M253+ L338- Sharon Haggerty

Would it be any help to order DF29 or any other test for my husband who is in the ML category I1 and is Z neg for 63,58 and 131 ? Kit #34941 ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: Sharon Haggerty <smhaggerty@shaw.ca>; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] DF29 ordered for AS4 AS4 is good clade choice to do DF29  But we don’t need a bunch of redundant df29 tests for downstream clades. But the Z58- Z63- and presumably Z131-  generic haplotypes need to do df29 in mass until any clear trend develops.  We have absolutely no idea how they will break df29+ or df29-. From: Sharon Haggerty Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:01 PM To: knordtvedt@bresnan.net Subject: DF29 ordered for AS4 Kit #179925 has ordered DF29. His Y-DNA results for 111 markers are at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merideth/surnameproject.htm Other results posted by FTDNA are M253+ L338- Sharon Haggerty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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