Is it one of the Dutch Directors-General of New Netherlands? On Mar 18, 2012, at 4:31 PM, y-dna-haplogroup-i-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (Kenneth Nordtvedt) > 2. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (John Ausman) > 3. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (Kenneth Nordtvedt) > > From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > Date: March 18, 2012 4:03:58 PM EDT > To: <kharris@psych-science.com>, <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > Reply-To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > > This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. > >

I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. *********************************** You are right about that. In my field, one is lucky if they've heard of Shakespeare. The names Milton, Spencer, Dryden, Fielding, Austen, and Dickens or Horace and Vergil, etc. are uknown to most. Lindsey

As early as Captain Smith? ********************* Captain John Smith was President of the Council (not Governor) of Jamestown. Jamestown was the first permanent English colony--established in 1607. WE had already celebrated the First Thanksgiving here in VA at Berkeley Plantation(a VA-first recognised by JFK) before the Mayflower landed. Virginia's first Governor was Sir Thomas West, 3rd Lord Delaware of the New Creation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_West,_3rd_Baron_De_La_Warr Lindsey

There he is, on and off again Governor of Plymouth Colony --- William Bradford I1-Yk ? Z63+ - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Ole Selmer Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:10 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I phoned my granddaughter earlier to nigth; she is 7. After googling she came up with this although she doesn’t speak English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_Massachusetts Ole -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Kenneth Nordtvedt Sendt: 18. marts 2012 17:20 Til: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Emne: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, > well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'll guess L338+ AS1 for Stuyvesant. My oldest ancestral line in western hemisphere was one of the first Dutch guys to come to Manhattan island --- about 1626 I think. Did you come across grave for a VanCouvenhouven (spellings were variable) He ran a brewery down on the south tip of Manhattan and later a "plantation" in "flatbush" across the East River. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: John M Rhodes Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:29 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132 My guess is Peter Stuyvesant. I used to live near his grave in the East Village of NYC. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bravo to an extraordinary 7 year old internet investigator! And another bit of I1 history in Massachusetts, although from a later century: A.H. Rice was governor of Massachusetts from 1876-78; he was a descendant of Edmund Rice, a well-known figure in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, having arrived there in 1638, and holding various political positions thereafter. There's a Rice family DNA group and a public listing of many of the inferred Y-markers for Edmund at Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Rice_%281638%29#Genetic_research> . According to that site, Rice is inferred to have been I1, DYS455 = 8; YCA-IIa,b = 19, 21. Another 19th century politician, Isham Green Harris, was governor of Tennessee 1857-1862. He was I1* as inferred from the analysis of his own descendants’ DNA, and the DNA of other living instances of the same Harris line that arrived in Virginia in or before the 1630s. Best, Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:20 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade There he is, on and off again Governor of Plymouth Colony --- William Bradford I1-Yk ? Z63+ - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt -----Original Message----- From: Ole Selmer Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:10 PM To: <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I phoned my granddaughter earlier to nigth; she is 7. After googling she came up with this although she doesn’t speak English: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_Massachusetts> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_Massachusetts Ole -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com> y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [ <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com> mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Kenneth Nordtvedt Sendt: 18. marts 2012 17:20 Til: <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Emne: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at <http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" < <mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net> knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, > well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > <http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > <mailto:Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bradfords were rich farmers family from Yorkshire. Is there anything known on their earlier, medieval roots? -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:20 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade There he is, on and off again Governor of Plymouth Colony --- William Bradford I1-Yk ? Z63+ - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Ole Selmer Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:10 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I phoned my granddaughter earlier to nigth; she is 7. After googling she came up with this although she doesn’t speak English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_Massachusetts Ole -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Kenneth Nordtvedt Sendt: 18. marts 2012 17:20 Til: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Emne: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, > well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4878 - Release Date: 03/18/12

New Netherlands is closer to the New England than was Captain Smith of Jamestown. Member of I1-Yk was probably Governor Bradford of Plymouth Colony - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Stone Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:13 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132 Is it one of the Dutch Directors-General of New Netherlands? On Mar 18, 2012, at 4:31 PM, y-dna-haplogroup-i-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (Kenneth Nordtvedt) > 2. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (John Ausman) > 3. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (Kenneth Nordtvedt) > > From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > Date: March 18, 2012 4:03:58 PM EDT > To: <kharris@psych-science.com>, <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > Reply-To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > > This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Or check out group 3 of the Bradford Project - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: John Ausman Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:29 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Winthrop? John (Ausman) ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: kharris@psych-science.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:03:58 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: K S Harris Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and don't even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern times," as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. Their Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. I'll be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname > I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial > governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade > I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Take the I1 project and sort on 393 and 460 (small to large). Answer will be apparent. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: John Ausman Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:29 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Winthrop? John (Ausman) ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: kharris@psych-science.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:03:58 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: K S Harris Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and don't even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern times," as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. Their Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. I'll be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname > I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial > governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade > I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Captain Smith was Jamestown? That's a bit early and too south. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Gammage Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:26 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade As early as Captain Smith? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: <kharris@psych-science.com>; <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: K S Harris > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and > don't > even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know > anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning > anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern > times," > as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. > > Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd > suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost > certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. > Their > Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. > I'll > be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. > > Keith > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Nordtvedt > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows > any early American colonial history? > My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood > celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was > started. > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: G. Magoon > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? > On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > wrote: > >> >> I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were >> miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. >> >> But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname >> I1-Yk >> >> Marker identifiers are: >> >> 393 = 12 >> 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 >> 449 = 30 >> 464d = 15 >> 460 = 9 >> 442 = 11 >> >> 481 = 26 or 27 >> 446 = 14 >> >> 540 = 11 >> 549 = 11 >> 635 = 24 >> 504 = 15 >> >> It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial >> governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade >> I1-Yk Z63+ >> >> >> >> >> >> - - - - >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are >> periodically updated as new information is obtained. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

getting warmer! - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: John Ausman Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:29 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Winthrop? John (Ausman) ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: kharris@psych-science.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:03:58 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: K S Harris Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and don't even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern times," as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. Their Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. I'll be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname > I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial > governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade > I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: K S Harris Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and don't even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern times," as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. Their Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. I'll be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname > I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial > governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade > I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

York has something to do with it. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:39 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade <dr Nordtvedt: Clade has very young MRCA based on the 8 haplotypes --- 1000 years.> It is already the second clade in short time which I see with a young age (recently was I1-Iber; I hope I1-P2 will join this list too). Slowly, we start to notice more clades with their MRCAs in Middle Ages. I see here a research opportunity, because probably there are more such clades in I1. Some of them may be have started either with founders documented in historical sources, or in circumstances which were well documented and/or geographically defined. The more such clades are defined, the more clear picture we can have of the rest of I1 - after filtering out the well defined younger clades. What was the reason for the name I1-Yk? York? Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:30 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade It is not a branch of T2. See "tree for I1" to see its ancient node with T2 (3900 years ago). I said it was Z63+; that's what it shares with T2. Clade has very young MRCA based on the 8 haplotypes --- 1000 years. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:20 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Is this companion clade branch of T2 (DYS459a=7) or of Z63+? How old is this clade? Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 8:44 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk Marker identifiers are: 393 = 12 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 449 = 30 464d = 15 460 = 9 442 = 11 481 = 26 or 27 446 = 14 540 = 11 549 = 11 635 = 24 504 = 15 It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4877 - Release Date: 03/17/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4878 - Release Date: 03/18/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Winthrop?   John (Ausman) ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: kharris@psych-science.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:03:58 PM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: K S Harris Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and don't even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know anything about of real historical significance.  "Ancient history [meaning anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern times," as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd suppose.  I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south.  Their Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants.  I'll be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now.  I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are  probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how  and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+  Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname > I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial > governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade > I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You pick the wty tester. **************************** In that case, maybe I should say that it's available to whoever is first to upgrade to Y-111 and see whether anyone does. If not, I'll choose. Lindsey

< I hope I1-P2 will join this list too > I mean I1-P1... Sorry for mistake. -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski [mailto:msskarbek@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:39 PM To: 'y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade <dr Nordtvedt: Clade has very young MRCA based on the 8 haplotypes --- 1000 years.> It is already the second clade in short time which I see with a young age (recently was I1-Iber; I hope I1-P2 will join this list too). Slowly, we start to notice more clades with their MRCAs in Middle Ages. I see here a research opportunity, because probably there are more such clades in I1. Some of them may be have started either with founders documented in historical sources, or in circumstances which were well documented and/or geographically defined. The more such clades are defined, the more clear picture we can have of the rest of I1 - after filtering out the well defined younger clades. What was the reason for the name I1-Yk? York? Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:30 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade It is not a branch of T2. See "tree for I1" to see its ancient node with T2 (3900 years ago). I said it was Z63+; that's what it shares with T2. Clade has very young MRCA based on the 8 haplotypes --- 1000 years. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:20 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Is this companion clade branch of T2 (DYS459a=7) or of Z63+? How old is this clade? Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 8:44 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk Marker identifiers are: 393 = 12 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 449 = 30 464d = 15 460 = 9 442 = 11 481 = 26 or 27 446 = 14 540 = 11 549 = 11 635 = 24 504 = 15 It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4877 - Release Date: 03/17/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4878 - Release Date: 03/18/12

<dr Nordtvedt: Clade has very young MRCA based on the 8 haplotypes --- 1000 years.> It is already the second clade in short time which I see with a young age (recently was I1-Iber; I hope I1-P2 will join this list too). Slowly, we start to notice more clades with their MRCAs in Middle Ages. I see here a research opportunity, because probably there are more such clades in I1. Some of them may be have started either with founders documented in historical sources, or in circumstances which were well documented and/or geographically defined. The more such clades are defined, the more clear picture we can have of the rest of I1 - after filtering out the well defined younger clades. What was the reason for the name I1-Yk? York? Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:30 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade It is not a branch of T2. See "tree for I1" to see its ancient node with T2 (3900 years ago). I said it was Z63+; that's what it shares with T2. Clade has very young MRCA based on the 8 haplotypes --- 1000 years. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:20 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Is this companion clade branch of T2 (DYS459a=7) or of Z63+? How old is this clade? Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 8:44 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk Marker identifiers are: 393 = 12 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 449 = 30 464d = 15 460 = 9 442 = 11 481 = 26 or 27 446 = 14 540 = 11 549 = 11 635 = 24 504 = 15 It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4877 - Release Date: 03/17/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4878 - Release Date: 03/18/12

The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and don't even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern times," as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. Their Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. I'll be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname > I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial > governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade > I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is not a branch of T2. See "tree for I1" to see its ancient node with T2 (3900 years ago). I said it was Z63+; that's what it shares with T2. Clade has very young MRCA based on the 8 haplotypes --- 1000 years. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:20 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Is this companion clade branch of T2 (DYS459a=7) or of Z63+? How old is this clade? Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 8:44 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk Marker identifiers are: 393 = 12 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 449 = 30 464d = 15 460 = 9 442 = 11 481 = 26 or 27 446 = 14 540 = 11 549 = 11 635 = 24 504 = 15 It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4877 - Release Date: 03/17/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message