I especially collect 68-111 haplotype extensions. Unfortunately the Worldfamilies spreadsheet for Rhodes project only goes up to 67 markers. Where can I see the Rhodes/Klein 68-111 marker haplotypes? - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: John M Rhodes Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:51 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade There's another question, too, having to do with my NPE relatives named KLEIN. I just received the full 111-markers for my KLEIN line that matches my RHODES modal 109 of 111. John M. Rhodes
John and Stuart, My view is that you may still be "miscellaneous" but you are a lot *less* miscellaneous than you were before you were discovered to be in the Z63+ clade, just as I am a lot less miscellaneous than I was before being found to be in the Z138+/Z139+ clade. Thank goodness for the 1000 Genomes Project which discovered these new SNPs. Obed On 3/19/2012 7:58 AM, John M Rhodes wrote: > Join the crowd, Stuart. My middle name is "Vanilla". > John M Rhodes > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 19, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Stuart Phethean<stuart.phethean@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Ken, >> >> I'm "Z63+ not T2" and not I1-Yk, so do I assume I'm still just >> "miscellaneous"? >> >> :-( >> >> Regards, >> >> Stuart >> Kit No B1292 >> >> On 18 March 2012 15:43, Kenneth Nordtvedt<knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: >> >>> I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were >>> miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. >>> >>> But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk >>> >>> Marker identifiers are: >>> >>> 393 = 12 >>> 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 >>> 449 = 30 >>> 464d = 15 >>> 460 = 9 >>> 442 = 11 >>> >>> 481 = 26 or 27 >>> 446 = 14 >>> >>> 540 = 11 >>> 549 = 11 >>> 635 = 24 >>> 504 = 15 >>> >>> It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, >>> well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - - - - >>> Kenneth Nordtvedt >>> See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at >>> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >>> showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are >>> periodically updated as new information is obtained. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Why can you rule out that the adoption or hanky panky or whatever happened in PA rather than back in the old country? Rhodes does not sound like a German surname? - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: John M Rhodes There's another question, too, having to do with my NPE relatives named KLEIN. I just received the full 111-markers for my KLEIN line that matches my RHODES modal 109 of 111. The connection must have been before 1776, the birth year of my ggg-gf, probably in Lancaster Co., PA. The KLEIN line can be traced back to ca. 1650 in Baden, Germany and arrived in Lancaster Co., PA ca. 1740. "Oh, what tangled webs we weave when first we decide to sleep around." Arrrggghhh. The village was run over multiple times in the 30 Years War. Goodness knows what transpired during those years. John M. Rhodes
For the unaffiliated who are Z60+ the remaining snp question is whether Z140+, or Z73+, or Z140- Z73- - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pallette Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:33 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253-AS6 Z60 Results Ken, make that two of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew who have tested positive for Z60. Mark Pallette Kit# 185952 Ysearch: 65X9Z On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Larry Harvey <lharvey03@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Ken, Just got my Z60+ results back and now have to wait for the Z141 test. > So now, one of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew is Z60+ so hope this helps. > Cead mille fialte from an Ulster Anlgo-Norman. > Larry Harvey > Kit# 19860 Ysearch: S3BHN > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Early American history. The first recorded European expedition to visit Cape Cod, arrived on May 15, 1602 it was led by Englishman, Bartholomew Gosnold (1572-1607) . He is considered by Preservation Virginia (formerly known as the Association for the Preservation of Virginia Antiquities) to be the "prime mover of the colonization of Virginia " . He was one of the co-founders of Jamestown, Virginia, where he died in 1607. DNA testing is being used to prove that remains found in an unmarked grave in Jamestown belong to Bartholomew. In 1606, his first cousin, known as Anthony Gosnold the Younger , age 18, accompanied Bartholomew Gosnold to Jamestown. He remained in Virginia for nearly 16 years before he returned to Suffolk, England, c 1632. Another cousin, Anthony Gosnold, (1569-1638) married one of my ancestors, Christian Segrodt (1590-1638) in Suffolk, England in 1612. Y-DNA tests on Segrotts indicate that they belong to Hg I1 (M263) AS Generic, I have also found a very high % of red heads (>25%) in the group I am studying. Patrick Holland. On 3/19/2012 6:18 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > New Netherlands is closer to the New England than was Captain Smith of > Jamestown. > Member of I1-Yk was probably Governor Bradford of Plymouth Colony > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Stone > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:13 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132 > > Is it one of the Dutch Directors-General of New Netherlands? > > > On Mar 18, 2012, at 4:31 PM, y-dna-haplogroup-i-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (Kenneth Nordtvedt) >> 2. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (John Ausman) >> 3. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (Kenneth Nordtvedt) >> >> From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt"<knordtvedt@bresnan.net> >> Date: March 18, 2012 4:03:58 PM EDT >> To:<kharris@psych-science.com>,<y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade >> Reply-To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> >> >> This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Join the crowd, Stuart. My middle name is "Vanilla". John M Rhodes Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Stuart Phethean <stuart.phethean@gmail.com> wrote: > Ken, > > I'm "Z63+ not T2" and not I1-Yk, so do I assume I'm still just > "miscellaneous"? > > :-( > > Regards, > > Stuart > Kit No B1292 > > On 18 March 2012 15:43, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > >> >> I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were >> miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. >> >> But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk >> >> Marker identifiers are: >> >> 393 = 12 >> 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 >> 449 = 30 >> 464d = 15 >> 460 = 9 >> 442 = 11 >> >> 481 = 26 or 27 >> 446 = 14 >> >> 540 = 11 >> 549 = 11 >> 635 = 24 >> 504 = 15 >> >> It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, >> well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ >> >> >> >> >> >> - - - - >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are >> periodically updated as new information is obtained. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
That summarizes the situation pretty well. But "miscelaneous" in original message usage really was pointing to the multiple branches of I1xL22 that we now have, so it was pointing in the same direction. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Obed W Odom Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:23 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade John and Stuart, My view is that you may still be "miscellaneous" but you are a lot *less* miscellaneous than you were before you were discovered to be in the Z63+ clade, just as I am a lot less miscellaneous than I was before being found to be in the Z138+/Z139+ clade.
As early as Captain Smith? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: <kharris@psych-science.com>; <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: K S Harris > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:34 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > The neglect of history widespread; kids barely know who Elvis was, and > don't > even have the general outline of what it might be that they don't know > anything about of real historical significance. "Ancient history [meaning > anything that happened pre-Beatles] just isn't very useful in modern > times," > as one of my daughters explained when she was still in high school. > > Even historians wouldn't likely know much about genetic genealogy, I'd > suppose. I can think of two 19th century governors that were almost > certainly I1, though, one from the far north and one from the south. > Their > Y-DNA haplogroups can be inferred from testing of living descendants. > I'll > be interested to hear about the fellow you're thinking of. > > Keith > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Nordtvedt > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows > any early American colonial history? > My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood > celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was > started. > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: G. Magoon > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? > On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > wrote: > >> >> I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were >> miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. >> >> But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname >> I1-Yk >> >> Marker identifiers are: >> >> 393 = 12 >> 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 >> 449 = 30 >> 464d = 15 >> 460 = 9 >> 442 = 11 >> >> 481 = 26 or 27 >> 446 = 14 >> >> 540 = 11 >> 549 = 11 >> 635 = 24 >> 504 = 15 >> >> It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial >> governor, well known in my era's school books, was a member of clade >> I1-Yk Z63+ >> >> >> >> >> >> - - - - >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are >> periodically updated as new information is obtained. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Your Bradish ancestor may have arrived on same ship as my ancestor Jeremey Adams who also came over about same time, acquired land in Cambridge where Harvard now sits, and eventually went to Connecticutt with the Hooker folks. Ken - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Peter and Connie Bradish Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:03 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132 FYI Peter Bradish is I1d1 and is a direct male descendant of Robert Bradish who arrived in Cambridge, Mass in 1634. Robert Bradish was a member of the Puritan groups led by Rev Thomas Hooker and Thomas Shepard. These Puritans brought families rather than single individuals to develop a colony and canvased Suffolk and Norfolk in England for families to come to America. Robert Bradish and his family were from Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk. The house Robert Bradish had in Cambridge was directly across from the house of the Rev Thomas Shepard. This land is now part of Harvard University. Bradish family members are buried in the Old Burying Ground in Harvard Square. Connie Bradish On 3/18/2012 9:00 PM, patrick holland wrote: > Early American history. > > The first recorded European expedition to visit Cape Cod, arrived on May > 15, 1602 it was led by Englishman, Bartholomew Gosnold (1572-1607) . He > is considered by Preservation Virginia (formerly known as the > Association for the Preservation of Virginia Antiquities) to be the > "prime mover of the colonization of Virginia " . He was one of the > co-founders of Jamestown, Virginia, where he died in 1607. DNA testing > is being used to prove that remains found in an unmarked grave in > Jamestown belong to Bartholomew. > > In 1606, his first cousin, known as Anthony Gosnold the Younger , age > 18, accompanied Bartholomew Gosnold to Jamestown. He remained in > Virginia for nearly 16 years before he returned to Suffolk, England, c > 1632. > > Another cousin, Anthony Gosnold, (1569-1638) married one of my > ancestors, Christian Segrodt (1590-1638) in Suffolk, England in 1612. > > Y-DNA tests on Segrotts indicate that they belong to Hg I1 (M263) AS > Generic, I have also found a very high % of red heads (>25%) in the > group I am studying. > > Patrick Holland. > > > On 3/19/2012 6:18 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: >> New Netherlands is closer to the New England than was Captain Smith of >> Jamestown. >> Member of I1-Yk was probably Governor Bradford of Plymouth Colony >> >> >> >> - - - - >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are >> periodically >> updated as new information is obtained. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Stone >> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:13 PM >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132 >> >> Is it one of the Dutch Directors-General of New Netherlands? >> >> >> On Mar 18, 2012, at 4:31 PM, y-dna-haplogroup-i-request@rootsweb.com >> wrote: >> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (Kenneth Nordtvedt) >>> 2. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (John Ausman) >>> 3. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (Kenneth Nordtvedt) >>> >>> From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt"<knordtvedt@bresnan.net> >>> Date: March 18, 2012 4:03:58 PM EDT >>> To:<kharris@psych-science.com>,<y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade >>> Reply-To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> >>> >>> This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
John, Why do you think the yDNA transfer took place before 1776. With a match of 109/111, I would think it took place around the 2nd or 3rd cousin level, depending on the stability of the yDNA in those families. Marleen Van Horne
There are miscelaneous clades and miscelaneous generics and ...... Question is; can we find you relatively close to a sizeable population of other haplotypes? - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Phethean Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:47 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Ken, I'm "Z63+ not T2" and not I1-Yk, so do I assume I'm still just "miscellaneous"? :-( Regards, Stuart Kit No B1292 On 18 March 2012 15:43, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, > well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> However, my antecedent received 1,000 acres land grant or patent when > Governor Spottswood was colonial governor of Virginia in 1710. This was down > in southern Virginia in the area known as Isle of Wight, which has been > broken off into Isle of Wight, Southampton, and Nansemond counties. Since > then, of course, that land has been divided and divided as the family grew." Alexander Spotswood was born in the <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Tangier> Colony of Tangier, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco> Morocco, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa> Africa, about 1676 to Catharine (née Maxwell, c. 1638 - December 1709) and her second husband, Dr Robert Spottiswoode (17 September 1637 - 1680), the Chirurgeon ( <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgeon> surgeon) to the Tangier Garrison. Through his father, Alexander was a grandson of Judge <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spottiswoode> Robert Spottiswoode (15961646), a great-grandson of Archbishop <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Spottiswoode> John Spottiswoode (15651639), and a descendant of King <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_II_of_Scotland> Robert II of Scotland through the 2nd Earls of Crawford <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Spotswood#cite_note-Lee-0> [1]. Alexander's older half-brother (by his mother's first marriage to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Elliott_(surgeon)> George Elliott) was <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Elliott> Roger Elliott (c. 1655 - 15 May 1714), who became one of the first <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Gibraltar> Governors of Gibraltar. Following the death of Robert Spotswood, his mother married thirdly, Reverend Dr. George Mercer, the Garrison's Schoolmaster. So its likely that he was haplogroup A1. The original Spiveys were from Yorkshire & arrived in the colony of Virginia about 1640. Most of the Spiveys tested at FTDNA, about 10 of us, are A1 & all have the fairly unusual allele of 9 at DYS 391. This includes me although my branch of the family remained in Yorkshire. Any action required? John Spivey From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of y-dna-haplogroup-i-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 19 March 2012 7:32 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132
FYI Peter Bradish is I1d1 and is a direct male descendant of Robert Bradish who arrived in Cambridge, Mass in 1634. Robert Bradish was a member of the Puritan groups led by Rev Thomas Hooker and Thomas Shepard. These Puritans brought families rather than single individuals to develop a colony and canvased Suffolk and Norfolk in England for families to come to America. Robert Bradish and his family were from Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk. The house Robert Bradish had in Cambridge was directly across from the house of the Rev Thomas Shepard. This land is now part of Harvard University. Bradish family members are buried in the Old Burying Ground in Harvard Square. Connie Bradish On 3/18/2012 9:00 PM, patrick holland wrote: > Early American history. > > The first recorded European expedition to visit Cape Cod, arrived on May > 15, 1602 it was led by Englishman, Bartholomew Gosnold (1572-1607) . He > is considered by Preservation Virginia (formerly known as the > Association for the Preservation of Virginia Antiquities) to be the > "prime mover of the colonization of Virginia " . He was one of the > co-founders of Jamestown, Virginia, where he died in 1607. DNA testing > is being used to prove that remains found in an unmarked grave in > Jamestown belong to Bartholomew. > > In 1606, his first cousin, known as Anthony Gosnold the Younger , age > 18, accompanied Bartholomew Gosnold to Jamestown. He remained in > Virginia for nearly 16 years before he returned to Suffolk, England, c > 1632. > > Another cousin, Anthony Gosnold, (1569-1638) married one of my > ancestors, Christian Segrodt (1590-1638) in Suffolk, England in 1612. > > Y-DNA tests on Segrotts indicate that they belong to Hg I1 (M263) AS > Generic, I have also found a very high % of red heads (>25%) in the > group I am studying. > > Patrick Holland. > > > On 3/19/2012 6:18 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: >> New Netherlands is closer to the New England than was Captain Smith of >> Jamestown. >> Member of I1-Yk was probably Governor Bradford of Plymouth Colony >> >> >> >> - - - - >> Kenneth Nordtvedt >> See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at >> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically >> updated as new information is obtained. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Stone >> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:13 PM >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132 >> >> Is it one of the Dutch Directors-General of New Netherlands? >> >> >> On Mar 18, 2012, at 4:31 PM, y-dna-haplogroup-i-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (Kenneth Nordtvedt) >>> 2. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (John Ausman) >>> 3. Re: I1-T2 has a companion clade (Kenneth Nordtvedt) >>> >>> From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt"<knordtvedt@bresnan.net> >>> Date: March 18, 2012 4:03:58 PM EDT >>> To:<kharris@psych-science.com>,<y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade >>> Reply-To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> >>> >>> This governor was REALLY early --- early colonial. >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
Ken, Just got my Z60+ results back and now have to wait for the Z141 test. So now, one of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew is Z60+ so hope this helps. Cead mille fialte from an Ulster Anlgo-Norman. Larry Harvey Kit# 19860 Ysearch: S3BHN
Ken, make that two of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew who have tested positive for Z60. Mark Pallette Kit# 185952 Ysearch: 65X9Z On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Larry Harvey <lharvey03@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Ken, Just got my Z60+ results back and now have to wait for the Z141 test. So now, one of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew is Z60+ so hope this helps. > Cead mille fialte from an Ulster Anlgo-Norman. > Larry Harvey > Kit# 19860 Ysearch: S3BHN > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks - It is not a question of what you learn, but a question of learning how to find it and using all the opportunities. Proud grandfather -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af K S Harris Sendt: 19. marts 2012 00:31 Til: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Emne: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Bravo to an extraordinary 7 year old internet investigator! And another bit of I1 history in Massachusetts, although from a later century: A.H. Rice was governor of Massachusetts from 1876-78; he was a descendant of Edmund Rice, a well-known figure in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, having arrived there in 1638, and holding various political positions thereafter. There's a Rice family DNA group and a public listing of many of the inferred Y-markers for Edmund at Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Rice_%281638%29#Genetic_research> . According to that site, Rice is inferred to have been I1, DYS455 = 8; YCA-IIa,b = 19, 21. Another 19th century politician, Isham Green Harris, was governor of Tennessee 1857-1862. He was I1* as inferred from the analysis of his own descendants DNA, and the DNA of other living instances of the same Harris line that arrived in Virginia in or before the 1630s. Best, Keith -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 4:20 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade There he is, on and off again Governor of Plymouth Colony --- William Bradford I1-Yk ? Z63+ - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt -----Original Message----- From: Ole Selmer Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:10 PM To: <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I phoned my granddaughter earlier to nigth; she is 7. After googling she came up with this although she doesnt speak English: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_Massachusetts> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_Massachusetts Ole -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com> y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [ <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com> mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Kenneth Nordtvedt Sendt: 18. marts 2012 17:20 Til: <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Emne: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at <http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: <mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" < <mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net> knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, > well known in my eras school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > <http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > <mailto:Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I phoned my granddaughter earlier to nigth; she is 7. After googling she came up with this although she doesnt speak English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_governors_of_Massachusetts Ole -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne af Kenneth Nordtvedt Sendt: 18. marts 2012 17:20 Til: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Emne: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, > well known in my eras school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I do not recall VanCouvenhouven when I was studying my cousin's husband's family that arrived from Netherlands ca. 1662. His 6g-gf, Isaac Boilleau (now Burlew), a Huguenot family from Leyden, actually, was born on the ship one week before arriving in New Amsterdam. Peter Stuyvesant was eager to settle Staten Island so gave the new immigrants free farms if they could keep them. They were the sixth boat load to try farming on Staten Island but the Indians got 'em! Fortunately, my cousins ancestors whupped the Indians as necessary and set up their farms only to have the English arrive in a couple years and take over. Most of the Dutch were allowed to stay on their Staten Island farms. In the Map Room of the NYPL I found a Dutch map from the 1600's showing the Boilleau farm on Staten Island. John M Rhodes On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > I'll guess L338+ AS1 for Stuyvesant. My oldest ancestral line in western > hemisphere was one of the first Dutch guys to come to Manhattan island --- > about 1626 I think. > > Did you come across grave for a VanCouvenhouven (spellings were variable) > He ran a brewery down on the south tip of Manhattan and later a > "plantation" > in "flatbush" across the East River. > > > >
My guess is Peter Stuyvesant. I used to live near his grave in the East Village of NYC.
FWIW, These early colonial North American surnames have I1-T2 lines: Bradberry, Foster, Buie, Whitehead, Moore, Morris. So far as I now know, they are all southern (Virginia or Maryland) and none are "prominent". Also, I have no solid links across the "pond", but Foster and Buie may be Scots, Bradberry and Whitehead northern English, and Moore associated with Essex. I stress the "may". Brent Bradberry