If my haplogroup is I1d and I have tested: L22+ P109- L300- L287- L258- L205- then it is unlikely that I would be positive for L813? Thanks, Ritch Pruitt Kit #177347 Ysearch.org = GBWJA FTDNA.com/public/Pittsylvania1700s Admin

It depends not on all those listed negative snps, it depends on your str haplotype. There is nothing between L22 and L813 right now. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: buddhapup@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:54 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Haplogroup I1d (L22+) If my haplogroup is I1d and I have tested: L22+ P109- L300- L287- L258- L205- then it is unlikely that I would be positive for L813? Thanks, Ritch Pruitt Kit #177347 Ysearch.org = GBWJA FTDNA.com/public/Pittsylvania1700s Admin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just discovered that Eupedia has updated its website on "Distribution of European Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups by country in percentage" http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml The new shares of I1 in particular countries are a little changed. Some countries are divided in regions, eg. Spain, we have discussed recently. In Spain I1-leaders are Galicia, Extramadura and Valencia, but the general Spain's I1-share is low - 1.5%. Still France is very high with 9.5%. I think this is absolutely unrealistic. Also East Germany with 16.5% is absolutely unrealistic. The sources of these numbers are unknown. It makes an impression that somebody has prepared this numbers based on his intuition only (or even on ideological assumptions). Best, Marek Skarbek Kozietulski

I also have a Bowman in I1-AS7e who should be Z58- Z63- Z131- Don't know if the 68-111 markers go with him? Lots of Bowman from different sectors of I1 There must have been lots of bowmen in the days before guns. Ken ********************************************* Is he from SMGF's database? The only AS7E Bowman I have came from SMGF; however, I haven't checked for Bowmans at FTDNA for about 6 months. Last fall I tried to encourage a descendant of the Henrico Bowmans to test, since we know that two AS7E famileis were in Henrico before 1700 and two more were in neighboring New Kent. Lindsey

Ken, I'm "Z63+ not T2" and not I1-Yk, so do I assume I'm still just "miscellaneous"? :-( Regards, Stuart Kit No B1292 On 18 March 2012 15:43, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, > well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, I just got them two nights ago and so they are now just on my computer. Where can I "hang" 111-markers? YSearch is no good for that. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > I especially collect 68-111 haplotype extensions. Unfortunately the > Worldfamilies spreadsheet for Rhodes project only goes up to 67 markers. > > Where can I see the Rhodes/Klein 68-111 marker haplotypes? > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: John M Rhodes > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:51 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > There's another question, too, having to do with my NPE relatives named > KLEIN. I just received the full 111-markers for my KLEIN line that matches > my RHODES modal 109 of 111. John M. Rhodes > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Marlene, We have a very good family/paper trail to my ggg-gf, Jacob RHODES, born 1776, died 1829 and all his descendants. I've tested descendants of my g-gf, and his four brothers to 68 or 111 markers and have been able to estimate the 111-marker profile of their father, Christian RHODES, (1811-1859). On the KLEIN/KLINE side the paper genealogy has been traced back from a gentleman, born in 1917, died Jan 2012, to the KLEIN immigrant who arrived from Kirchardt, Baden ca. 1740 and settled in Warwick Twp., Lancaster Co., PA. I've traced two other American lines to this same Kirchardt family and church. It is, indeed, possible that my ggg-gf was a KLEIN orphan adopted into a ROTH / RHODES family, ca. 1780-1790 in the Lancaster Co. area. I sort of doubt that as there were about six sons of the immigrant who could/would have adopted orphaned nephews in Lancaster Co. But it is possible that a KLEIN man died leaving a widow and with children who remarried a ROTH or RHODES. There were precious few RHODES as such in Lancaster Co. But there was a Philip ROTH in Warwick Twp for which Rothville is named. I'm tracing several families of ROTHs, RHODES etc. to determine relatedness etc. Most RHODES in PA were English or else were German ROTHs. Most KLEINs and RHODES are R1b with some R1a and some I1. I should know much more in six months. John M Rhodes On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> wrote: > John, > > Why do you think the yDNA transfer took place before 1776. With a match > of 109/111, I would think it took place around the 2nd or 3rd cousin > level, depending on the stability of the yDNA in those families. > > Marleen Van Horne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

yes, from smgf - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Lplantagenet Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:58 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] AS7E Bowman I also have a Bowman in I1-AS7e who should be Z58- Z63- Z131- Don't know if the 68-111 markers go with him? Lots of Bowman from different sectors of I1 There must have been lots of bowmen in the days before guns. Ken ********************************************* Is he from SMGF's database? The only AS7E Bowman I have came from SMGF; however, I haven't checked for Bowmans at FTDNA for about 6 months. Last fall I tried to encourage a descendant of the Henrico Bowmans to test, since we know that two AS7E famileis were in Henrico before 1700 and two more were in neighboring New Kent. Lindsey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, anything new on my Bowman cousin FTDNA kit #201437. Is he still "generic" or can he be placed within a clade. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt [mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:50 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I1 proj3ect - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: John M Rhodes Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:16 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Ken, I just got them two nights ago and so they are now just on my computer. Where can I "hang" 111-markers? YSearch is no good for that. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > I especially collect 68-111 haplotype extensions. Unfortunately the > Worldfamilies spreadsheet for Rhodes project only goes up to 67 markers. > > Where can I see the Rhodes/Klein 68-111 marker haplotypes? > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: John M Rhodes > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:51 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > There's another question, too, having to do with my NPE relatives named > KLEIN. I just received the full 111-markers for my KLEIN line that > matches > my RHODES modal 109 of 111. John M. Rhodes > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I also have a Bowman in I1-AS7e who should be Z58- Z63- Z131- Don't know if the 68-111 markers go with him? Lots of Bowman from different sectors of I1 There must have been lots of bowmen in the days before guns. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:35 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade You folks are having me chase all over the place to find the haplotypes you refer to. Please identify exactly where your haplotype can be found in one public database or the other. I have a Bowman 68-111 markers with Z58- Z63- Z131- but otherwise not identified. He does not cluster with the other unaffiliated Z58- Z63- Z131- of which there are many. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Phil Alfeld Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:59 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Ken, anything new on my Bowman cousin FTDNA kit #201437. Is he still "generic" or can he be placed within a clade. Thanks. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You folks are having me chase all over the place to find the haplotypes you refer to. Please identify exactly where your haplotype can be found in one public database or the other. I have a Bowman 68-111 markers with Z58- Z63- Z131- but otherwise not identified. He does not cluster with the other unaffiliated Z58- Z63- Z131- of which there are many. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Phil Alfeld Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:59 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Ken, anything new on my Bowman cousin FTDNA kit #201437. Is he still "generic" or can he be placed within a clade. Thanks.

Ken, even with my I3 processor and 1 G of RAM, that whole I1 table will barely load on my computer, and when I try to sort it hangs up. For Petes' sake! Dora On 3/18/2012 4:48 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > Take the I1 project and sort on 393 and 460 (small to large). Answer will > be apparent. > >

Ken once told me that I was loosely affiliated with AS6, but the STR he had me check to put me in As6 came up negative, so maybe I'm AS6b or something. I've tested Z58+ and Z59+ and am waiting for Z60. Maybe this will put our cluster more clearly into one group. Greg Francis Francis-Rose cluster Ftdna kit: 105913 Y-search:XM82D >>> For the unaffiliated who are Z60+ the remaining snp question is whether Z140+, or Z73+, or Z140- Z73- >>> Ken, make that two of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew who have tested positive for Z60. Mark Pallette Kit# 185952 Ysearch: 65X9Z >>>> > Ken, Just got my Z60+ results back and now have to wait for the Z141 test. > So now, one of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew is Z60+ so hope this helps. > Cead mille fialte from an Ulster Anlgo-Norman. > Larry Harvey > Kit# 19860 Ysearch: S3BHN

There's another question, too, having to do with my NPE relatives named KLEIN. I just received the full 111-markers for my KLEIN line that matches my RHODES modal 109 of 111. The connection must have been before 1776, the birth year of my ggg-gf, probably in Lancaster Co., PA. The KLEIN line can be traced back to ca. 1650 in Baden, Germany and arrived in Lancaster Co., PA ca. 1740. "Oh, what tangled webs we weave when first we decide to sleep around." Arrrggghhh. The village was run over multiple times in the 30 Years War. Goodness knows what transpired during those years. John M. Rhodes On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > There are miscelaneous clades and miscelaneous generics and ...... > > Question is; can we find you relatively close to a sizeable population of > other haplotypes? > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Phethean > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:47 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > Ken, > > I'm "Z63+ not T2" and not I1-Yk, so do I assume I'm still just > "miscellaneous"? > > :-( > > Regards, > > Stuart > Kit No B1292 > > On 18 March 2012 15:43, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > > > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > > > > Marker identifiers are: > > > > 393 = 12 > > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > > 449 = 30 > > 464d = 15 > > 460 = 9 > > 442 = 11 > > > > 481 = 26 or 27 > > 446 = 14 > > > > 540 = 11 > > 549 = 11 > > 635 = 24 > > 504 = 15 > > > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, > > well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > > > > > > > - - - - > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I1 proj3ect - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: John M Rhodes Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:16 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Ken, I just got them two nights ago and so they are now just on my computer. Where can I "hang" 111-markers? YSearch is no good for that. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > I especially collect 68-111 haplotype extensions. Unfortunately the > Worldfamilies spreadsheet for Rhodes project only goes up to 67 markers. > > Where can I see the Rhodes/Klein 68-111 marker haplotypes? > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: John M Rhodes > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:51 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > There's another question, too, having to do with my NPE relatives named > KLEIN. I just received the full 111-markers for my KLEIN line that > matches > my RHODES modal 109 of 111. John M. Rhodes > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wondered too. Ken, did you actually attend a school where they made you learn the names of the colonial governors of Massachsuetts? Of course there are one or two that a school child should recognize. It's a very relevant question. If you've got a thousand year old group of people of which you've managed to collect eight members who are related from before 1600, and one of them was a colonial governor of Massachusetts, or of any colony, then what you've more than likely got is descendants of a family that was prominent in Norman times and remained so. Or, if this family was Dutch, it gets even more interesting. So the governor's identity could not be more relevant. Inquiring minds are burning to know. Who are the other surnames? And their emigrant ancestry, if they all came to the colonial U.S.? PLEASE don't make us wait until U.S. school children are well educated! Inquiring minds want to know this century! Dora -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:20 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade I won't tell right now. I'm curious whether the younger generation knows any early American colonial history? My grandchildren in school are probably told more about which hollywood celeb visited a OWS ghetto last month than how and why their country was started. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: G. Magoon Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:09 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Interesting...who is the colonial New England governor? On Mar 18, 2012 11:43 AM, "Kenneth Nordtvedt"<knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote:

Z73+ and Z140+ are mutually exclusive; one derived implies the other ancestral. But in principle both could be ancestral. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Harvey Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:26 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253-AS6 Z60 Results Ken, I just ordered the Z140 and now await both the Z141 & Z140. Should I wait the results of the Z140 and then move on to the Z73? Appreciate your thoughts. In setting up the qualifiers to your questions, does a Z140+ result then imply a Z73+ result or vice versa? Terry with regard to your new branch tool for my kit #19860, it suggests 2 logical progressions one on which involves L338. I have already test L338- so does the other progression become more likely? Thoughts appreciate. All the best. Larry Harvey Kit #19860 Y-search: S3BHN --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:10:14 -0600 Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253-AS6 Z60 Results For the unaffiliated who are Z60+ the remaining snp question is whether Z140+, or Z73+, or Z140- Z73- - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pallette Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:33 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253-AS6 Z60 Results Ken, make that two of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew who have tested positive for Z60. Mark Pallette Kit# 185952 Ysearch: 65X9Z On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Larry Harvey <lharvey03@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Ken, Just got my Z60+ results back and now have to wait for the Z141 test. > So now, one of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew is Z60+ so hope this helps. > Cead mille fialte from an Ulster Anglo-Norman. > Larry Harvey > Kit# 19860 Ysearch: S3BHN > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You can always see what customer service says. You'd think transferring from Ancestry or 23andMe would qualify him. Lord knows what the current price of doing that is. At worst, if you admit him to your project, he can order something relatively inexpensive, like a 12 marker STR test. Dora On 3/18/2012 8:53 AM, Lplantagenet wrote: > After sending nearly 50 e-mails to Childers concerning WTY (17 of which bounced), I decided to post the same e-mail at my old AS7E project at Ancestry. This morning I had an offer from the newest AS7E to purchase the test for himself. Trouble is, he was tested by Ancestry and then by 23 and me to confirm Ancestry--his results at the link below. > > http://dna.ancestry.com/compareY.aspx?uid=172449&user=2522885&preselected=true&last_flow_type=paternal > > If he transfers from Ancestry to FTDNA, do you (or does anyone here) know whether he would be eligible for WTY or would he have to purchase an upgrade to 37 markers at the time of transfer? I don't think from what he says that he would object to the additional cost, but it would cause a delay in ordering WTY. > > The only other response I've had is an offer of $200 from another AS7E, who is not a Childers either, so I'm inclined to take this offer. > > Lindsey > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My Edmund Rice line was also from Bury St. Edmond. The family group is Norse I1, but if they've had any SNP testing done I don't yet know it. I think he came from Hertsfordshire (not very far away) with a small group of families from that village, and it didn't have much to do with Hooker and Shepard. But I have alot of Puritan ancestors, including those led by Shepard and Hooker, and this is the first I've heard of a roundup in Suffolk and Norfolk. I thought that Archbishop Laud's antics drove alot of people from East Anglia, and that some entire large groups, led by their clergy, travelled together. I'll always read more about those people, if you've got any reading material on this particular roundup. Dora On 3/19/2012 7:03 AM, Peter and Connie Bradish wrote: > FYI > Peter Bradish is I1d1 and is a direct male descendant of Robert Bradish > who arrived in Cambridge, Mass in 1634. Robert Bradish was a member of > the Puritan groups led by Rev Thomas Hooker and Thomas Shepard. These > Puritans brought families rather than single individuals to develop a > colony and canvased Suffolk and Norfolk in England for families to come > to America. Robert Bradish and his family were from Bury St Edmunds in > Suffolk. The house Robert Bradish had in Cambridge was directly across > from the house of the Rev Thomas Shepard. This land is now part of > Harvard University. Bradish family members are buried in the Old Burying > Ground in Harvard Square. > > Connie Bradish > > > >

Wow! No, if more than one member of this family group tested A1, I'd say that confirms it. A1 is subsaharan Africa. Quite alot is genetically out of place in Yorkshire - especially around the city of York. It was founded by the Romans, who settled great numbers of soldiers there as payment for their services, and to help control the natives. The majority came from southwestern Asia/ southeast Europe, but by no means all of them. Dora On 3/18/2012 4:04 PM, John Spivey wrote: So it’s likely that he was haplogroup A1. The original Spiveys were from Yorkshire& arrived in the colony of Virginia about 1640. Most of the Spiveys tested at FTDNA, about 10 of us, are A1& all have the fairly unusual allele of 9 at DYS 391. This includes me although my branch of the family remained in Yorkshire. Any action required? John Spivey