I have a spreadsheet with two long columns of data that i wish to switch to two long rows of data. How is this done? Apologies to Aaron John M Rhodes Sent from my iPhone

An additional piece of information worth mentioning is that fewer than twenty people, as of March 2012, have done the L813 test as recorded in any of the FTDNA Projects. Out of those, four came out as L813+ (positive), with the rest returning L813- (negative). Terry On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Looking at your haplotype, I do not think you will be in L813+ L813+ is > typically high at 449 (above 28) 11 at 461, and 11,14,14,16 at 464 > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: buddhapup@gmail.com > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:35 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Haplogroup I1d (L22+) > > I am in the (I1-N) Norse group according to your charts. These are the only > differences using your modal for comparison. My numbers are in parenthesis. > 449 28 (27) > 446 13 (12) > 460 10 (11) > 463 19 (21) > > Thanks, > Ritch Pruitt > Kit #177347 > Ysearch.org = GBWJA > FTDNA.com/public/Pittsylvania1700s Admin > > *(From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > > It depends not on all those listed negative snps, it depends on your str > haplotype. > > There is nothing between L22 and L813 right now.)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Even more interesting is that he died before he arrived :-) -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new!

We are a hearty stock indeed. :o) I'm thinking my Viking Folk invaded Northern France then was either part of the Norman invasion or my GGGGGGGGGGGGGGand a few more Greats Grandmother's brother was Odo the Crossbowman (I can't spell the Latin Version) and we inherited some land in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire or something like. Sent from my MOTOROLA ATRIX™ 2 on AT&T -----Original message----- From: John M Rhodes <johnmrhodes409@gmail.com> To: "bradish@attglobal.net" <bradish@attglobal.net>, "y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com" <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 20, 2012 15:29:29 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Haplogroup I1d (L22+) Wow, he was a tough old bird if he arrived in his 111th year! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 20, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Peter and Connie Bradish <bradish@attglobal.net> wrote: > I assume you are speaking of Rev. Charles Chauncey arrived a few days > before Jan 1, 1698 from Ha(e)rtfordshire where he was born in 1589. > Educated at Westminster School, BA of Trinity College, reproved for > Puritan Teaching, President of Harvard College. Died Feb 19, 1671-2. > > I find it quite interesting that many I haplogroup came to the US by way > of the Puritan movement. That eastern area of England (Puritan > stronghold) was also the area of the Danelaw. Many of our ancestors may > be descendants from those individuals who were "Vikings" and crossed > from the Denmark area and came to live in Britain. > > Connie Bradish > > > On 3/20/2012 4:45 AM, Carole wrote: >> Most of L205+ I1d2 now are Todds, Chaunceys, Chances... Youngs, Littles, >> Wiltshire& Terry... or in other words UK.. is there some other reason you >> would say Netherlands is peak, statistics was never my strong suit. >> >> One thing I wonder about though is one of my close matches turned out to be >> I1d1, and the Chance's are never considered a match at 37. At DYS570 all >> but one of the Chance's are 24, Chauncey's 21, and we just had a Chauncey >> (Chancey originally) from Dorset come in at 23 at DYS570. The new Chauncey >> had the Chauncey signature 14-14 at 385 (Chances are 13-14) and 29 at 449 >> and I was very surprised at the 23 at DYS570 when it came in. The only >> difference I can see between my I1d1 close match and the Chauncey/Chances is >> we are 25-25 at DYS413 and I1d1 is 23-24 and we are 16 at DYS534 and I1d1 is >> 18 at DYS534. >> >> Does that happen very often that a close match is not in the same Haplo but >> a non-match is? >> >> Speaking of Puritans my ancestor is Charles Chauncy who came to Plymouth in >> 1638. >> >> Carole J Chauncey >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry >> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:02 AM >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Haplogroup I1d (L22+) >> >> Allen, >> For the main SNPs (P109+, L205+, L258+, L300+, L813+) within I1d (L22+) one >> can say this: >> >> 87% of P109+ people have I1.1101* or I1.11000* as their I1 STR Branch Code. >> Peak frequency is in Norway/Sweden and Russia respectively. >> >> 83% of L205+ people have I1.11001* as their I1 STR Branch Code. >> Peak frequency is in the Netherlands. >> >> 83% of L258+ (and L287+) people have I1.100* as their I1 STR Branch Code. >> Peak frequency is in Finland. >> >> For L300+ and L813+ the sample size is currently too small. >> >> Terry >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Allen<KE7IQQ@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> ... >>> >>> Maybe Ken or Terry can shed some light on what might be the >>> significance of the marker value. >>> >>> ... >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: Ole Selmer In the I1 and I1L22 projects I can count 7 L813+ (incl. the WTY) and 12 L813-(incl. 3 L22- and 1 P109+). Personally I think that 8 L22* is to small a sample size for L22* not to test L813. It would be quite a coincidence if the STR mutation and the SNP mutation occurred in the same person. Either are some N L813+ or some uN L813-. Ole [[ The str and snp mutations you talk about need not have happened in same person, and most very likely did not. It is the long ancestral branch line leading to clade MRCA which contains the L813 anywhere along its length, and over that same ancestral branch line on which the founder uN2 haplotype had a chance to mutate away from standard L22+, and then slowly mutate apart among its post-MRCA population up until today. Most very distinct clades with thousands of years age had a very barren ancestral branch line leading further back into the past. KN ]] - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained.

Wow, he was a tough old bird if he arrived in his 111th year! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 20, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Peter and Connie Bradish <bradish@attglobal.net> wrote: > I assume you are speaking of Rev. Charles Chauncey arrived a few days > before Jan 1, 1698 from Ha(e)rtfordshire where he was born in 1589. > Educated at Westminster School, BA of Trinity College, reproved for > Puritan Teaching, President of Harvard College. Died Feb 19, 1671-2. > > I find it quite interesting that many I haplogroup came to the US by way > of the Puritan movement. That eastern area of England (Puritan > stronghold) was also the area of the Danelaw. Many of our ancestors may > be descendants from those individuals who were "Vikings" and crossed > from the Denmark area and came to live in Britain. > > Connie Bradish > > > On 3/20/2012 4:45 AM, Carole wrote: >> Most of L205+ I1d2 now are Todds, Chaunceys, Chances... Youngs, Littles, >> Wiltshire& Terry... or in other words UK.. is there some other reason you >> would say Netherlands is peak, statistics was never my strong suit. >> >> One thing I wonder about though is one of my close matches turned out to be >> I1d1, and the Chance's are never considered a match at 37. At DYS570 all >> but one of the Chance's are 24, Chauncey's 21, and we just had a Chauncey >> (Chancey originally) from Dorset come in at 23 at DYS570. The new Chauncey >> had the Chauncey signature 14-14 at 385 (Chances are 13-14) and 29 at 449 >> and I was very surprised at the 23 at DYS570 when it came in. The only >> difference I can see between my I1d1 close match and the Chauncey/Chances is >> we are 25-25 at DYS413 and I1d1 is 23-24 and we are 16 at DYS534 and I1d1 is >> 18 at DYS534. >> >> Does that happen very often that a close match is not in the same Haplo but >> a non-match is? >> >> Speaking of Puritans my ancestor is Charles Chauncy who came to Plymouth in >> 1638. >> >> Carole J Chauncey >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry >> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:02 AM >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Haplogroup I1d (L22+) >> >> Allen, >> For the main SNPs (P109+, L205+, L258+, L300+, L813+) within I1d (L22+) one >> can say this: >> >> 87% of P109+ people have I1.1101* or I1.11000* as their I1 STR Branch Code. >> Peak frequency is in Norway/Sweden and Russia respectively. >> >> 83% of L205+ people have I1.11001* as their I1 STR Branch Code. >> Peak frequency is in the Netherlands. >> >> 83% of L258+ (and L287+) people have I1.100* as their I1 STR Branch Code. >> Peak frequency is in Finland. >> >> For L300+ and L813+ the sample size is currently too small. >> >> Terry >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Allen<KE7IQQ@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> ... >>> >>> Maybe Ken or Terry can shed some light on what might be the >>> significance of the marker value. >>> >>> ... >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Larry, The information given in http://www.goggo.com/cgi-bin/branchFind.cgi?Kit=19860 is saying other people, in your branch of the tree, are most likely to be along the path I1-M253 -> Z58 -> Z59 -> Z60 -> Z140. There are some statistics that are computed for that, but I don't show them. The next known points along the path would be either L338 or very unlikely L592. But others in your branch are likely to stop before that at Z140. Given that you already know you are L338-, your best bet would be to confirm whether you are Z140+ or not. Note things like Z141 (which is probably tree equivalent to Z140) and Z62 (which is upstream of Z140) are not shown in the suggested paths. Terry On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 3:26 AM, Larry Harvey <lharvey03@hotmail.com> wrote: > > ... > > Terry with regard to your new branch tool for my kit #19860, it suggests 2 > logical progressions one on which involves L338. I have already test L338- > so does the other progression become more likely? Thoughts appreciate. > > ...

I assume you are speaking of Rev. Charles Chauncey arrived a few days before Jan 1, 1698 from Ha(e)rtfordshire where he was born in 1589. Educated at Westminster School, BA of Trinity College, reproved for Puritan Teaching, President of Harvard College. Died Feb 19, 1671-2. I find it quite interesting that many I haplogroup came to the US by way of the Puritan movement. That eastern area of England (Puritan stronghold) was also the area of the Danelaw. Many of our ancestors may be descendants from those individuals who were "Vikings" and crossed from the Denmark area and came to live in Britain. Connie Bradish On 3/20/2012 4:45 AM, Carole wrote: > Most of L205+ I1d2 now are Todds, Chaunceys, Chances... Youngs, Littles, > Wiltshire& Terry... or in other words UK.. is there some other reason you > would say Netherlands is peak, statistics was never my strong suit. > > One thing I wonder about though is one of my close matches turned out to be > I1d1, and the Chance's are never considered a match at 37. At DYS570 all > but one of the Chance's are 24, Chauncey's 21, and we just had a Chauncey > (Chancey originally) from Dorset come in at 23 at DYS570. The new Chauncey > had the Chauncey signature 14-14 at 385 (Chances are 13-14) and 29 at 449 > and I was very surprised at the 23 at DYS570 when it came in. The only > difference I can see between my I1d1 close match and the Chauncey/Chances is > we are 25-25 at DYS413 and I1d1 is 23-24 and we are 16 at DYS534 and I1d1 is > 18 at DYS534. > > Does that happen very often that a close match is not in the same Haplo but > a non-match is? > > Speaking of Puritans my ancestor is Charles Chauncy who came to Plymouth in > 1638. > > Carole J Chauncey > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:02 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Haplogroup I1d (L22+) > > Allen, > For the main SNPs (P109+, L205+, L258+, L300+, L813+) within I1d (L22+) one > can say this: > > 87% of P109+ people have I1.1101* or I1.11000* as their I1 STR Branch Code. > Peak frequency is in Norway/Sweden and Russia respectively. > > 83% of L205+ people have I1.11001* as their I1 STR Branch Code. > Peak frequency is in the Netherlands. > > 83% of L258+ (and L287+) people have I1.100* as their I1 STR Branch Code. > Peak frequency is in Finland. > > For L300+ and L813+ the sample size is currently too small. > > Terry > > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Allen<KE7IQQ@comcast.net> wrote: > >> ... >> >> Maybe Ken or Terry can shed some light on what might be the >> significance of the marker value. >> >> ... >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Most of L205+ I1d2 now are Todds, Chaunceys, Chances... Youngs, Littles, Wiltshire & Terry... or in other words UK.. is there some other reason you would say Netherlands is peak, statistics was never my strong suit. One thing I wonder about though is one of my close matches turned out to be I1d1, and the Chance's are never considered a match at 37. At DYS570 all but one of the Chance's are 24, Chauncey's 21, and we just had a Chauncey (Chancey originally) from Dorset come in at 23 at DYS570. The new Chauncey had the Chauncey signature 14-14 at 385 (Chances are 13-14) and 29 at 449 and I was very surprised at the 23 at DYS570 when it came in. The only difference I can see between my I1d1 close match and the Chauncey/Chances is we are 25-25 at DYS413 and I1d1 is 23-24 and we are 16 at DYS534 and I1d1 is 18 at DYS534. Does that happen very often that a close match is not in the same Haplo but a non-match is? Speaking of Puritans my ancestor is Charles Chauncy who came to Plymouth in 1638. Carole J Chauncey -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:02 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Haplogroup I1d (L22+) Allen, For the main SNPs (P109+, L205+, L258+, L300+, L813+) within I1d (L22+) one can say this: 87% of P109+ people have I1.1101* or I1.11000* as their I1 STR Branch Code. Peak frequency is in Norway/Sweden and Russia respectively. 83% of L205+ people have I1.11001* as their I1 STR Branch Code. Peak frequency is in the Netherlands. 83% of L258+ (and L287+) people have I1.100* as their I1 STR Branch Code. Peak frequency is in Finland. For L300+ and L813+ the sample size is currently too small. Terry On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Allen <KE7IQQ@comcast.net> wrote: > ... > > Maybe Ken or Terry can shed some light on what might be the > significance of the marker value. > > ... > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please remember the purpose of this list. DNA, relating specifically to haplogroup I. Aaron ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: bradish@attglobal.net; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 19 March 2012, 17:15 Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Puritans Is Pioneers of Massachusetts by Pope still in print?  It would seem a must for those of us with a few ancestors of this migration. I guess I can just check with Amazon?

From: Terry Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:02 PM For L300+ and L813+ the sample size is currently too small. [[4 of 4 L813+ falling within a large and geographically as well as STR defined clade uN2, and never an L813- among the many falling within it as far as I know of, and never an L813+ falling outside, gives very good odds to reach a working conclusion about relationship between L813+ and uN2. KN ]] On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Allen <KE7IQQ@comcast.net> wrote: > ... > > Maybe Ken or Terry can shed some light on what might be the significance > of > the marker value. >

I am in the (I1-N) Norse group according to your charts. These are the only differences using your modal for comparison. My numbers are in parenthesis. 449 28 (27) 446 13 (12) 460 10 (11) 463 19 (21) Thanks, Ritch Pruitt Kit #177347 Ysearch.org = GBWJA FTDNA.com/public/Pittsylvania1700s Admin *(From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> It depends not on all those listed negative snps, it depends on your str haplotype. There is nothing between L22 and L813 right now.)*

We have researched Hooker and Shepard because Robert Bradish shows up in Cambridge, Massachusetts by buying property there in 1634. This is right in the period of the Puritan ministers Rev. Hooker and Rev. Shepard. These two Reverends both graduated from Cambridge and Thomas Shepard married Joanna Hooker, daughter of Thomas Hooker. Therefore Shepard following Hooker to America is a logical extension of not only their Puritan faith but family connections as well. There are several books which are full of good information. Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fischer is especially good for explaining how East Anglia (Norfolk and Suffolk) was a hot bed of Puritanism (the chapter entitled East Anglia to Massachusetts: The Exodus of the English Puritans, 1629-41). Albion's Seed is also gives very descriptive information about the type of people (families) who came to America and the areas of England they came from. Also Cambridge Cameos by Roger Thompson has a good explanation of the movements of Thomas Shepard while he was "on the run in England." The book Pioneers of Massachusetts by Charles Henry Pope is a descriptive list of people who arrived in MA between 1620-1650. It is an alphabetical listing which gives not only information about where they are in MA by also where many of them came from. Again East Anglia is heavily represented. Hope this is what you are looking for. Connie Bradish

Looking at your haplotype, I do not think you will be in L813+ L813+ is typically high at 449 (above 28) 11 at 461, and 11,14,14,16 at 464 - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: buddhapup@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:35 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Haplogroup I1d (L22+) I am in the (I1-N) Norse group according to your charts. These are the only differences using your modal for comparison. My numbers are in parenthesis. 449 28 (27) 446 13 (12) 460 10 (11) 463 19 (21) Thanks, Ritch Pruitt Kit #177347 Ysearch.org = GBWJA FTDNA.com/public/Pittsylvania1700s Admin *(From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> It depends not on all those listed negative snps, it depends on your str haplotype. There is nothing between L22 and L813 right now.)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ritch; I see your DYS390 is a 13 not a 14. I have a 14 at that point. I see others who are L22+ and P109+ with a 14 and while there is a small group with the 14 It does seem to me that it is a significant marker for a subclade of the I1D1 group. Maybe Ken or Terry can shed some light on what might be the significance of the marker value. My 449 goes the other direction to a 29 my 446 is a 13 and 460 is a 10 my 463 is a 22 I have been compareing to the Ysearch modal of CZVMA but you are useing a different modal. What one is that? Thanks Albert Allen Hulse Kit B1424 Ysearch 37GHU Ancestry TU2FB FTDNA ----- Original Message ----- From: <buddhapup@gmail.com> To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:35 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] Haplogroup I1d (L22+) >I am in the (I1-N) Norse group according to your charts. These are the only > differences using your modal for comparison. My numbers are in > parenthesis. > 449 28 (27) > 446 13 (12) > 460 10 (11) > 463 19 (21) > > Thanks, > Ritch Pruitt > Kit #177347 > Ysearch.org = GBWJA > FTDNA.com/public/Pittsylvania1700s Admin > > *(From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > > It depends not on all those listed negative snps, it depends on your str > haplotype. > > There is nothing between L22 and L813 right now.)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Edmund Rice was specifically Norse I1 (predicted), and he was originally from Bury St. Edmonds, Suffolk. His biography is extensively presented in the book, Puritan Village, and its follow-up journal article. Only nominally a Puritan, he collected a group of people from the village where he lived, some of whom didn't care for the established church, came to Massachusetts and founded a village, and helped lead it. Eventually he became very grouchy, gathered a few particularly close friends, and went and founded another village. All his life he repeatedly got very successful somewhere, got grouchy and irritable, stopped getting on with people, and left to go elsewhere. Edmund Rice himself was a land speculator who had moved several times between communities, and found that people around him distrusted what they saw as instability. He continued land speculating in the back woods around Sudbury and became wealthy (all over again). I don't know if any of his project have had their SNP's further pinned down. Now, his family group carries bipolar disorder, and (besides land speculating in the 17th century and the obvious cycling mood disorder), a red flag for a family group that carries this genetic condition appears to be insistent belief that your ancestors were kings. This is called genetic memory. ;) The Edmund Rice Association staunchly insists that their line is descended from the Plantagenet kings of England, via the Welsh aristocracy, and a strange, complex bunch of marriages that criss-crossed England. At one time they were admitting on their web site that the Y DNA is Norse, but they insisted that that does NOT mean that their ancestors were Vikings. They also insisted that large numbers of Vikings settled in Wales. From this post it sounds like they've dropped the admission that the lineage is Norse. I guess it would be a brave member of that group who would get SNP tested to further break their clade membership down! For whatever it's worth, my mitochondrial lineage goes through the wives of three of Edmund Rice's sons, who married daughters of Thomas and Anne King from Somersetshire. Assuming they all had the same mother. H1*. Yours, Dora On 3/18/2012 6:31 PM, K S Harris wrote: > Bravo to an extraordinary 7 year old internet investigator! > > > > And another bit of I1 history in Massachusetts, although from a later century: > > > > A.H. Rice was governor of Massachusetts from 1876-78; he was a descendant of Edmund Rice, a well-known figure in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, having arrived there in 1638, and holding various political positions thereafter. > > > > There's a Rice family DNA group and a public listing of many of the inferred Y-markers for Edmund at Wikipedia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Rice_%281638%29#Genetic_research> . According to that site, Rice is inferred to have been I1, DYS455 = 8; YCA-IIa,b = 19, 21. > > > > Best, > > Keith > >

Please remember to change the subject line when responding to the digest. Please also edit. There is no need to re-post the entire digest to the list. GOOD: Surname So-and-so in Scotland BAD: "Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 7, Issue 132" -- Aaron

Is Pioneers of Massachusetts by Pope still in print? It would seem a must for those of us with a few ancestors of this migration. I guess I can just check with Amazon? - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Peter and Connie Bradish Also Cambridge Cameos by Roger The book Pioneers of Massachusetts by Charles Henry Pope is a descriptive list of people who arrived in MA between 1620-1650. It is an alphabetical listing which gives not only information about where they are in MA by also where many of them came from. Again East Anglia is heavily represented. Hope this is what you are looking for. Connie Bradish ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, I just ordered the Z140 and now await both the Z141 & Z140. Should I wait the results of the Z140 and then move on to the Z73? Appreciate your thoughts. In setting up the qualifiers to your questions, does a Z140+ result then imply a Z73+ result or vice versa? Terry with regard to your new branch tool for my kit #19860, it suggests 2 logical progressions one on which involves L338. I have already test L338- so does the other progression become more likely? Thoughts appreciate. All the best. Larry Harvey Kit #19860 Y-search: S3BHN --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:10:14 -0600 Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253-AS6 Z60 Results For the unaffiliated who are Z60+ the remaining snp question is whether Z140+, or Z73+, or Z140- Z73- - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pallette Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:33 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253-AS6 Z60 Results Ken, make that two of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew who have tested positive for Z60. Mark Pallette Kit# 185952 Ysearch: 65X9Z On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Larry Harvey <lharvey03@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Ken, Just got my Z60+ results back and now have to wait for the Z141 test. > So now, one of the 14/22 bunch AS6 crew is Z60+ so hope this helps. > Cead mille fialte from an Ulster Anglo-Norman. > Larry Harvey > Kit# 19860 Ysearch: S3BHN >

Well, yes - better to be Miscellaneous Z63+ than Generic! Stuart On 19 March 2012 14:23, Obed W Odom <owodom@mail.utexas.edu> wrote: > John and Stuart, > > My view is that you may still be "miscellaneous" but you are a lot > *less* miscellaneous than you were before you were discovered to be in > the Z63+ clade, just as I am a lot less miscellaneous than I was before > being found to be in the Z138+/Z139+ clade. Thank goodness for the 1000 > Genomes Project which discovered these new SNPs. > > Obed > > On 3/19/2012 7:58 AM, John M Rhodes wrote: > > Join the crowd, Stuart. My middle name is "Vanilla". > > John M Rhodes > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Mar 19, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Stuart Phethean<stuart.phethean@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Ken, > >> > >> I'm "Z63+ not T2" and not I1-Yk, so do I assume I'm still just > >> "miscellaneous"? > >> > >> :-( > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Stuart > >> Kit No B1292 > >> > >> On 18 March 2012 15:43, Kenneth Nordtvedt<knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > wrote: > >> > >>> I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > >>> miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > >>> > >>> But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > >>> > >>> Marker identifiers are: > >>> > >>> 393 = 12 > >>> 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > >>> 449 = 30 > >>> 464d = 15 > >>> 460 = 9 > >>> 442 = 11 > >>> > >>> 481 = 26 or 27 > >>> 446 = 14 > >>> > >>> 540 = 11 > >>> 549 = 11 > >>> 635 = 24 > >>> 504 = 15 > >>> > >>> It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial > governor, > >>> well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> - - - - > >>> Kenneth Nordtvedt > >>> See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > >>> http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > >>> showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > >>> periodically updated as new information is obtained. > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >