I'm sure the heck am not buying the product for the 25,000 known snps. It is what is found in the 10 million sites that I am seeking. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Simonds Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 1:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results My understanding from what I've read is that the Big Y is going to test for 25,000 known SNPs AND sequence 10 million base pairs. Matthew Simonds > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:28:21 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > I thought big Y was covering 10 million sites on the Y? > > Which actual 10 million sites I have not yet learned from FTDNA or anyone > else. > > 25,000 sites would just be a double Geno2, so to speak. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Simonds > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 12:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > > I'm L22+ P109+ and for that group at the yDNA Haplogroup I: Subclade I1 > group, it says to "consider L1431 & L1438." But I ordered the Big Y during > the pre-sale and was wondering if those SNPs and others like L1439 will be > among the 25,000 SNPs that the Big Y will test for? > Matthew Simonds > > > > > Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 10:28:22 +0100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > > > You are probably lucky Diana. We have a member in the I-P109 project who > > has been waiting since the 11th of sept. (Expected result date). > > > > He is most probably positive. This goes in the same direction to your > > suspicion about FTDNA research. > > > > Nicolas > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]> > > Date: > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > > > > From: Peterson, Phillip R. > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:08 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 > > > > > > I'll be surprised if FTDNA delivers anywhere near their reported > > > deadline, > > > since I've been waiting 3 months for a single SNP which was supposed > > > to > > > be > > > resulted one month ago. They haven't even bothered to update the > > > estimated > > > due date. > > > > > > It depends. I ordered L1439 on 12/14 and had a result by 12/31! > > > > I know I was told once that they "gang" these tests, so the more people > > ordering > > them, the sooner a batch is run. Also, I suspect FTDNA's own research > > interests > > affect how quickly a test gets done. Considering how fast this L1439 > > result > > came back, I suspect they're interested in fixing its position in the > > tree, too. > > > > Or, I may have just been lucky and got included in a batch that was > > ready > > to > > roll. > > > > Diana > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FTDNA just listed "gDNAQC" for Big Y as having been done December 31 for me. FTDNA doesn't appear to define "gDNAQC" on its internet site, but I'm understanding it to mean "Genomic DNA Quality Control" and to basically mean that they've determined that my sample is viable for Big Y testing. http://www.arraystar.com/manage/UploadFile/200921121311623.pdf For me, they're continuing to list the changes to webpages for Big Y in mid-February and results by the end of February, but I don't have the access of an Administrator: Big Y gDNAQC 542 12/31/2013 Big Y HiYNGS 542 2/28/2014 We will release results from the BIG Y Pre-Sale with the BETA myFTDNA results pages in mid February 2014. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 8:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 If L1439 site is covered? 10 million is just a minority fraction of the range that known snps are found at in the y chromosome. I have asked if anyone knows what sites are covered by BigY but so far have gotten no answer. Let's hope the BigY results are eventually delivered to us. I see another delay today in their "expected" date. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Paul Stone Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 6:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 I presume we will have the data to place L1439 with the many Z63 Big Y tests once complete, so I have not pushed many individual SNP tests of late. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I did not ask for a list of the 10 million loci, just the beginning and end positions of the covered blocks if they assembled the chip by large blocks of sites. On the other hand maybe they have just taken the 25,000 snp locations and covered 200 sites each side of the each known snp? Now 25,000 known snp locations is no big deal. Geno2 has 12,000+ and Chromo2 has 14,000+ Do you really want a list of the Geno2 snps? I can easily send a name list to you. But positions are not given. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 12:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results They're testing 25,000 known SNPs and checking 10 million base pairs for new SNPs. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for someone to post a list of the 25,000 SNPs. I can't even find lists of the Geno 2.0 SNPs. And would you really want a list of the 10 million loci? Diana > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 2:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > I thought big Y was covering 10 million sites on the Y? > > Which actual 10 million sites I have not yet learned from FTDNA or anyone > else. > > 25,000 sites would just be a double Geno2, so to speak. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Scott, FTDNA just listed "gDNAQC" as having an "Expected Date" of 01/08/2014 for my kit #185952. I'm in batch 543 and it looks like we are about 9 days behind you in their schedule. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Scott E. Stewart <[email protected]>wrote: > FTDNA just listed "gDNAQC" for Big Y as having been done December 31 for > me. > FTDNA doesn't appear to define "gDNAQC" on its internet site, but I'm > understanding it to mean "Genomic DNA Quality Control" and to basically > mean > that they've determined that my sample is viable for Big Y testing. > http://www.arraystar.com/manage/UploadFile/200921121311623.pdf > For me, they're continuing to list the changes to webpages for Big Y in > mid-February and results by the end of February, but I don't have the > access > of an Administrator: > Big Y gDNAQC 542 12/31/2013 > Big Y HiYNGS 542 2/28/2014 We will release results from the BIG Y Pre-Sale > with the BETA myFTDNA results pages in mid February 2014. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Nordtvedt > Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 8:14 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 > > If L1439 site is covered? 10 million is just a minority fraction of the > range that known snps are found at in the y chromosome. I have asked if > anyone knows what sites are covered by BigY but so far have gotten no > answer. > > Let's hope the BigY results are eventually delivered to us. I see another > delay today in their "expected" date. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Stone > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 6:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 > > I presume we will have the data to place L1439 with the many Z63 Big Y > tests once complete, so I have not pushed many individual SNP tests of > late. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I thought big Y was covering 10 million sites on the Y? Which actual 10 million sites I have not yet learned from FTDNA or anyone else. 25,000 sites would just be a double Geno2, so to speak. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Simonds Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 12:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results I'm L22+ P109+ and for that group at the yDNA Haplogroup I: Subclade I1 group, it says to "consider L1431 & L1438." But I ordered the Big Y during the pre-sale and was wondering if those SNPs and others like L1439 will be among the 25,000 SNPs that the Big Y will test for? Matthew Simonds > Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 10:28:22 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > You are probably lucky Diana. We have a member in the I-P109 project who > has been waiting since the 11th of sept. (Expected result date). > > He is most probably positive. This goes in the same direction to your > suspicion about FTDNA research. > > Nicolas > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]> > Date: > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > > From: Peterson, Phillip R. > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:08 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 > > > > I'll be surprised if FTDNA delivers anywhere near their reported > > deadline, > > since I've been waiting 3 months for a single SNP which was supposed to > > be > > resulted one month ago. They haven't even bothered to update the > > estimated > > due date. > > > It depends. I ordered L1439 on 12/14 and had a result by 12/31! > > I know I was told once that they "gang" these tests, so the more people > ordering > them, the sooner a batch is run. Also, I suspect FTDNA's own research > interests > affect how quickly a test gets done. Considering how fast this L1439 > result > came back, I suspect they're interested in fixing its position in the > tree, too. > > Or, I may have just been lucky and got included in a batch that was ready > to > roll. > > Diana > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are probably lucky Diana. We have a member in the I-P109 project who has been waiting since the 11th of sept. (Expected result date). He is most probably positive. This goes in the same direction to your suspicion about FTDNA research.  Nicolas -------- Original message -------- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]> Date: To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > From: Peterson, Phillip R. > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 > > I'll be surprised if FTDNA delivers anywhere near their reported deadline, > since I've been waiting 3 months for a single SNP which was supposed to be > resulted one month ago.  They haven't even bothered to update the estimated > due date. It depends.  I ordered L1439 on 12/14 and had a result by 12/31! I know I was told once that they "gang" these tests, so the more people ordering them, the sooner a batch is run.  Also, I suspect FTDNA's own research interests affect how quickly a test gets done.  Considering how fast this L1439 result came back, I suspect they're interested in fixing its position in the tree, too. Or, I may have just been lucky and got included in a batch that was ready to roll. Diana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wasn't really serious. I know how hard it is to raise money for even one expensive test. Diana > From: Wayne R. Roberts > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 6:26 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY for DF29- > > It is not easy to even fund one, let alone five, even when the sale was on. > I'm please so many from I2-M223 Project purchased Big Y then but we still > had to fund several kits in the marginal clades and our L1228+ group missed > out altogether. Good luck. > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > "All five" what? What five places in the Tree gain this special attention?

My suggestion was really tongue-in-cheek because I can't imagine raising that amount of money. But the "five" are our root M253*, who are negative for both DF29 and Z131 - at least, these are the only five that turned up on my search of the Hg I1 haplogroup projects at FTDNA: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_M253.html#M253* Diana > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 12:17 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY for DF29- > > "All five" what? What five places in the Tree gain this special attention? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY for DF29- > > Let's fund all five. Now *that* would be interesting!! > > > > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 11:31 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY for DF29- > > > > Double that cost! Isolated single BigY tests have much, much, much less > > value than paired tests where the two are from same clade.

Ken: Did you receive my Geno 2 raw data file? I'm not trying to rush you, I know you are busy,but my e-mail provider is kind of unreliable about telling me if an e-mail was received.If I need to re-send it,what e-mail address,should I use? Also ,which STR's are in the "14/22/15" group? Thank you,for all you do. --- [email protected] wrote: From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 10:19:20 -0700 Just download the default zipped file that Geno2 offers you, and then send to me as attachment on an email. I have an unzipping application to handle it from there. Kenneth Nordtvedt http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Diana,Ken,and everyone that's tried to help me since 2008:Thanks, I suppose i am making progress,since I started out as a singleton I1*,and now have found 3 same surname relatives.And am now, I1-z140* .I would like to send my raw data to you,Ken,if I knew how. I know that you have explained how to do this,before,but I can't find it now.I know even less about computers,than I do about DNA. (if that's possible) --- [email protected] wrote: From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 10:54:02 -0700 What sense do you want made of your results? What you said so far........ ending in Z140+/Z141+ is consistent with what your haplotype says --- you look like a fringe member of the 14/22/15 complex which is Z140+ in fact. In my database I have you as generic Z140+. If you send me your raw data file from Geno2 I can compare all 12,000 + ysnps with others from your part of the tree to see if you have anything novel in the way of ysnps. Kenneth Nordtvedt http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 4:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices HI Diana: I am Garland Hogan,FTDNA 79332,y-search 3NNCA. I have been in the Z-140 group for some time,also on your list.I recently took Geno 2.0,and just got my results,this just adds to my confusion,I transferred,my results to FTDNA,and I still don't know much more about my SNP's.They confirmed that I'm positive for Z-58.Z59,and Z60,as well as Z140/Z-141,the only SNP's I saw that have been mentioned,by you or Ken,are pages00123,and CTS8647,almost all others mentioned in relation to Z-140,are negative or not called out.Can you ,or anyone else,make any sense of it? --- [email protected] wrote: From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:20:38 -0500 > From: Nicolas Taban > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 8:27 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices > > Diana, > > For your info, I had recorded that N822121 (I have no name, but is oldest > ancestor is Edward Barton in 1620) did tested PF3247+. He is not in the > P109+ > (although he tested P109+) project but was in the L22+ project. > Unfortunately > since November when I did found his haplotype and SNP list in the L22+ > project, he has most likely rethdrawn himself from the project and I can > not > find him anymore. SEMARGL.ME still shows his data: http://www.semargl.me/en/dna/ydna/haplotypes/table/501/ The kit # is N82121, and his SNPs are: M253+ DF29+ L22+ P109+ PF3247+ Interestingly, Google still has him indexed in the Norway Project, though if you click the link and go to the page, he's not there. I was able to copy the Description text on the Google hit, and it looks like this: N82121, Olav Olai Larsen 1822-95 Osterøy, HRD, I1d1, 13, 23, 14, 10, 14-15, 11, 14, 10, 13, 11, 29, 15, 8-9, 8, 11, 23, 16, 20, 28, 12-14-15-15, 10, 10, 19-21, 14 ... This haplotype jibes with the one SEMARGL.ME is showing, so this definitely is our guy. Thankfully, we got a look at it, now, because the next time Google indexes that page this information will disappear. Thank you for putting me on his trail. I've filled in the matrix for PF3247+: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_L22.html#PF3247 > Kit 46183 also relates to the same ancestor (exact same text) but his > haplotype is quite different (distance of 18 on 37 markers or only 21/37 > match). Unfortunaltely he did not test this SNP. The Google description is showing a different ancestor, which would explain the non-matching haplotypes. > As for CTS11525, I didn't find it anywhere. Only on Terry's (Robb?) web > pages > http://www.goggo.com/terry/HaplogroupI1/ > I did ask him where he found it without any respons so far. Terry? Are you > arround? You have been quiet since this summer! I, too, initially found CTS11525+ only on Terry Robb's tree, but now I've found the CTS11525+ individual! I don't know why I didn't think to do this sooner, for the SNPs not found in the Hg I1 project. I did a site search at Google with these search terms, which allows the search to cover all FTDNA projects and pages: site:familytreedna.com CTS11525+ and up he popped: #45041, a BELANGER in the French Heritage project, now in the CTS11525+ matrix: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_L22.html#CTS11525 I do love tying up loose ends. THANK YOU for your help. Now I'm going to try this search technique for the other SNPs not found... 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I'll be surprised if FTDNA delivers anywhere near their reported deadline, since I've been waiting 3 months for a single SNP which was supposed to be resulted one month ago. They haven't even bothered to update the estimated due date.

Let's fund all five. Now *that* would be interesting!! > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 11:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY for DF29- > > Double that cost! Isolated single BigY tests have much, much, much less > value than paired tests where the two are from same clade.

> From: Paul Stone > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 > > > Yes, Diana. I likewise do not understand why so few, if any, DF29- have > > elected to do the Big Y test? It seems that would be a reasonable shot at > > finding something noteworthy. Are there any DF29- Big Y out there that > > anyone knows of? > > <snip> Not that I'm aware of. I'm kicking myself, now, that we didn't think to ban together and fund a BigY test for one of our root M253*'s back when the test was on sale, especially if someone had a coupon they weren't using. Of course, we could still do that, it'll just take more donations. I'll kick in $20, if that will help get the ball rolling. Diana

> From: Peterson, Phillip R. > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 > > I'll be surprised if FTDNA delivers anywhere near their reported deadline, > since I've been waiting 3 months for a single SNP which was supposed to be > resulted one month ago. They haven't even bothered to update the estimated > due date. It depends. I ordered L1439 on 12/14 and had a result by 12/31! I know I was told once that they "gang" these tests, so the more people ordering them, the sooner a batch is run. Also, I suspect FTDNA's own research interests affect how quickly a test gets done. Considering how fast this L1439 result came back, I suspect they're interested in fixing its position in the tree, too. Or, I may have just been lucky and got included in a batch that was ready to roll. Diana

> Yes, Diana. I likewise do not understand why so few, if any, DF29- have > elected to do the Big Y test? It seems that would be a reasonable shot at > finding something noteworthy. Are there any DF29- Big Y out there that > anyone knows of? > > On another note, I received the first panel of a results from a new kit two weeks ahead of schedule. Perhaps delays depend on the testing ordered > > We already know that L1439 is upstream of CTS6364, so while finding out a > Z63 is > L1439+ will provide needed support for that position, it still leaves us > not > knowing whether L1439 is upstream or equivalent to DF29. Currently, the > only > way I know of to find that out is to test a Z131. > > I agree that, in general, this is no time to be doing a la carte SNP > testing, > and those taking the BigY shouldn't be doing any, at all. But as far as I > know, > none of the Z131's is taking the BigY, so we need one to take L1439 a la > carte. > > Right now, we have a Z63, a Z131, and an I2 testing L1439 (Thank you all!). > Until we have those results, I don't see the need for anyone else to test > L1439. > > > >

> From: Paul Stone > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 8:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 > > I presume we will have the data to place L1439 with the many > Z63 Big Y tests once complete, so I have not pushed many individual > SNP tests of late. We already know that L1439 is upstream of CTS6364, so while finding out a Z63 is L1439+ will provide needed support for that position, it still leaves us not knowing whether L1439 is upstream or equivalent to DF29. Currently, the only way I know of to find that out is to test a Z131. I agree that, in general, this is no time to be doing a la carte SNP testing, and those taking the BigY shouldn't be doing any, at all. But as far as I know, none of the Z131's is taking the BigY, so we need one to take L1439 a la carte. Right now, we have a Z63, a Z131, and an I2 testing L1439 (Thank you all!). Until we have those results, I don't see the need for anyone else to test L1439. Diana

"All five" what? What five places in the Tree gain this special attention? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY for DF29- Let's fund all five. Now *that* would be interesting!! > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 11:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY for DF29- > > Double that cost! Isolated single BigY tests have much, much, much less > value than paired tests where the two are from same clade. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Double that cost! Isolated single BigY tests have much, much, much less value than paired tests where the two are from same clade. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 9:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY for DF29- > From: Paul Stone > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 > > > Yes, Diana. I likewise do not understand why so few, if any, DF29- have > > elected to do the Big Y test? It seems that would be a reasonable shot > > at > > finding something noteworthy. Are there any DF29- Big Y out there that > > anyone knows of? > > <snip> Not that I'm aware of. I'm kicking myself, now, that we didn't think to ban together and fund a BigY test for one of our root M253*'s back when the test was on sale, especially if someone had a coupon they weren't using. Of course, we could still do that, it'll just take more donations. I'll kick in $20, if that will help get the ball rolling. Diana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I presume we will have the data to place L1439 with the many Z63 Big Y tests once complete, so I have not pushed many individual SNP tests of late.

>From the daily output in the Projects I suspect they have cut back their staff appreciably. It makes it really more difficult to recommend to anyone to do a focused test when one dwells on the waiting time one could be handing them. The waiting times for results have been a big problem with the industry from the beginning years ago. I have never felt the waiting times have had much at all to do with actual times used to carry out the tests. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Peterson, Phillip R. Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 8:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 I'll be surprised if FTDNA delivers anywhere near their reported deadline, since I've been waiting 3 months for a single SNP which was supposed to be resulted one month ago. They haven't even bothered to update the estimated due date. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Robert Dozier, Thank you for ordering the L1439 test for kit number 283178. :-) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 7:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Unbelievable Great! But please be certain you order L1439, not L1429!!! I realize this was probably a typo, but... Diana > From: Robert Dozier > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 6:37 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Unbelievable > > Thanks, I will order L1429 for my FTDNA kit # 283178 > > Robert ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message