I never received a Hogan Geno2 file, but would be glad to check it out. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 8:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Ken: Did you receive my Geno 2 raw data file? I'm not trying to rush you, I know you are busy,but my e-mail provider is kind of unreliable about telling me if an e-mail was received.If I need to re-send it,what e-mail address,should I use? Also ,which STR's are in the "14/22/15" group? Thank you,for all you do. --- [email protected] wrote: From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 10:19:20 -0700 Just download the default zipped file that Geno2 offers you, and then send to me as attachment on an email. I have an unzipping application to handle it from there. Kenneth Nordtvedt http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Diana,Ken,and everyone that's tried to help me since 2008:Thanks, I suppose i am making progress,since I started out as a singleton I1*,and now have found 3 same surname relatives.And am now, I1-z140* .I would like to send my raw data to you,Ken,if I knew how. I know that you have explained how to do this,before,but I can't find it now.I know even less about computers,than I do about DNA. (if that's possible) --- [email protected] wrote: From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 10:54:02 -0700 What sense do you want made of your results? What you said so far........ ending in Z140+/Z141+ is consistent with what your haplotype says --- you look like a fringe member of the 14/22/15 complex which is Z140+ in fact. In my database I have you as generic Z140+. If you send me your raw data file from Geno2 I can compare all 12,000 + ysnps with others from your part of the tree to see if you have anything novel in the way of ysnps. Kenneth Nordtvedt http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 4:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices HI Diana: I am Garland Hogan,FTDNA 79332,y-search 3NNCA. I have been in the Z-140 group for some time,also on your list.I recently took Geno 2.0,and just got my results,this just adds to my confusion,I transferred,my results to FTDNA,and I still don't know much more about my SNP's.They confirmed that I'm positive for Z-58.Z59,and Z60,as well as Z140/Z-141,the only SNP's I saw that have been mentioned,by you or Ken,are pages00123,and CTS8647,almost all others mentioned in relation to Z-140,are negative or not called out.Can you ,or anyone else,make any sense of it? --- [email protected] wrote: From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:20:38 -0500 > From: Nicolas Taban > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 8:27 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-M253 haplotree and SNP matrices > > Diana, > > For your info, I had recorded that N822121 (I have no name, but is oldest > ancestor is Edward Barton in 1620) did tested PF3247+. He is not in the > P109+ > (although he tested P109+) project but was in the L22+ project. > Unfortunately > since November when I did found his haplotype and SNP list in the L22+ > project, he has most likely rethdrawn himself from the project and I can > not > find him anymore. SEMARGL.ME still shows his data: http://www.semargl.me/en/dna/ydna/haplotypes/table/501/ The kit # is N82121, and his SNPs are: M253+ DF29+ L22+ P109+ PF3247+ Interestingly, Google still has him indexed in the Norway Project, though if you click the link and go to the page, he's not there. I was able to copy the Description text on the Google hit, and it looks like this: N82121, Olav Olai Larsen 1822-95 Osterøy, HRD, I1d1, 13, 23, 14, 10, 14-15, 11, 14, 10, 13, 11, 29, 15, 8-9, 8, 11, 23, 16, 20, 28, 12-14-15-15, 10, 10, 19-21, 14 ... This haplotype jibes with the one SEMARGL.ME is showing, so this definitely is our guy. Thankfully, we got a look at it, now, because the next time Google indexes that page this information will disappear. Thank you for putting me on his trail. I've filled in the matrix for PF3247+: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_L22.html#PF3247 > Kit 46183 also relates to the same ancestor (exact same text) but his > haplotype is quite different (distance of 18 on 37 markers or only 21/37 > match). Unfortunaltely he did not test this SNP. The Google description is showing a different ancestor, which would explain the non-matching haplotypes. > As for CTS11525, I didn't find it anywhere. Only on Terry's (Robb?) web > pages > http://www.goggo.com/terry/HaplogroupI1/ > I did ask him where he found it without any respons so far. Terry? Are you > arround? You have been quiet since this summer! I, too, initially found CTS11525+ only on Terry Robb's tree, but now I've found the CTS11525+ individual! I don't know why I didn't think to do this sooner, for the SNPs not found in the Hg I1 project. I did a site search at Google with these search terms, which allows the search to cover all FTDNA projects and pages: site:familytreedna.com CTS11525+ and up he popped: #45041, a BELANGER in the French Heritage project, now in the CTS11525+ matrix: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_L22.html#CTS11525 I do love tying up loose ends. THANK YOU for your help. Now I'm going to try this search technique for the other SNPs not found... 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Two for sure, maybe three. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 4:38 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Believable Waiting on 37 marker upgrade for Jesatko. What about the others in this Z161 cluster? Do they separate into three subgroups? On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > Probably too early to say who Jesatko belongs with. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne R. Roberts > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 10:16 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Believable > > Do you see Vella, Membrana & Micallef as a Mediterranean subgroup, then > Jesatko, Perkins & Rogers as another subgroup and then Macmillan, > McMillan, > Tanner, McPhee and Cameron as a Scottish subgroup? > > What age estimates do you have for this cluster's founder and subgroup > founders? > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Vella peels off 1800 years b.p. from rest of the McMillan group in M223 > > Tree. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

$20 from me. John M Rhodes On 2014-01-03, at 6:55 AM, "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <[email protected]> wrote: > We've had one of the root I1-M253* individuals offer to be BigY tested, and he's > offered to chip in $200. I'll raise my offer to contribute $20 up to $50, if we > can get enough pledges to purchase the test. > > Diana > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We've had one of the root I1-M253* individuals offer to be BigY tested, and he's offered to chip in $200. I'll raise my offer to contribute $20 up to $50, if we can get enough pledges to purchase the test. Diana

Thanks for the added info, Wayne. My I2 RASEY's result has just come in, so now we have double proof: as expected, he, too, is L1439-. This was another fast SNP test return. I ordered the test on December 15th and it returned January 2nd. Diana > From: Wayne R. Roberts > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 7:02 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Unbelievable > > L1439 is ancestral in I2-M223 (I2a2a, old I2b1) for Kit 69631. >

Probably too early to say who Jesatko belongs with. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 10:16 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Believable Do you see Vella, Membrana & Micallef as a Mediterranean subgroup, then Jesatko, Perkins & Rogers as another subgroup and then Macmillan, McMillan, Tanner, McPhee and Cameron as a Scottish subgroup? What age estimates do you have for this cluster's founder and subgroup founders? On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > Vella peels off 1800 years b.p. from rest of the McMillan group in M223 > Tree. > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is not easy to even fund one, let alone five, even when the sale was on. I'm please so many from I2-M223 Project purchased Big Y then but we still had to fund several kits in the marginal clades and our L1228+ group missed out altogether. Good luck. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > "All five" what? What five places in the Tree gain this special attention? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY for DF29- > > Let's fund all five. Now *that* would be interesting!! > > > > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 11:31 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY for DF29- > > > > Double that cost! Isolated single BigY tests have much, much, much less > > value than paired tests where the two are from same clade. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

"I can't even find lists of the Geno 2.0 SNPs" The raw data file from the Geno 2.0 test shows what SNPs they tested for. My own Geno 2.0 excel file shows that they tested for 12,052 SNPs and they list what those SNPs were and what was in each allele location (G, G or A,A, or C,C, etc.) > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 14:58:42 -0500 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > They're testing 25,000 known SNPs and checking 10 million base pairs for new > SNPs. > > I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for someone to post a list of the 25,000 SNPs. > I can't even find lists of the Geno 2.0 SNPs. And would you really want a list > of the 10 million loci? > > Diana > > > > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 2:28 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > > > I thought big Y was covering 10 million sites on the Y? > > > > Which actual 10 million sites I have not yet learned from FTDNA or anyone > > else. > > > > 25,000 sites would just be a double Geno2, so to speak. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My understanding from what I've read is that the Big Y is going to test for 25,000 known SNPs AND sequence 10 million base pairs. Matthew Simonds > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:28:21 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > I thought big Y was covering 10 million sites on the Y? > > Which actual 10 million sites I have not yet learned from FTDNA or anyone > else. > > 25,000 sites would just be a double Geno2, so to speak. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Simonds > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 12:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > > I'm L22+ P109+ and for that group at the yDNA Haplogroup I: Subclade I1 > group, it says to "consider L1431 & L1438." But I ordered the Big Y during > the pre-sale and was wondering if those SNPs and others like L1439 will be > among the 25,000 SNPs that the Big Y will test for? > Matthew Simonds > > > > > Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 10:28:22 +0100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > > > You are probably lucky Diana. We have a member in the I-P109 project who > > has been waiting since the 11th of sept. (Expected result date). > > > > He is most probably positive. This goes in the same direction to your > > suspicion about FTDNA research. > > > > Nicolas > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]> > > Date: > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > > > > From: Peterson, Phillip R. > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:08 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 > > > > > > I'll be surprised if FTDNA delivers anywhere near their reported > > > deadline, > > > since I've been waiting 3 months for a single SNP which was supposed to > > > be > > > resulted one month ago. They haven't even bothered to update the > > > estimated > > > due date. > > > > > > It depends. I ordered L1439 on 12/14 and had a result by 12/31! > > > > I know I was told once that they "gang" these tests, so the more people > > ordering > > them, the sooner a batch is run. Also, I suspect FTDNA's own research > > interests > > affect how quickly a test gets done. Considering how fast this L1439 > > result > > came back, I suspect they're interested in fixing its position in the > > tree, too. > > > > Or, I may have just been lucky and got included in a batch that was ready > > to > > roll. > > > > Diana > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm L22+ P109+ and for that group at the yDNA Haplogroup I: Subclade I1 group, it says to "consider L1431 & L1438." But I ordered the Big Y during the pre-sale and was wondering if those SNPs and others like L1439 will be among the 25,000 SNPs that the Big Y will test for? Matthew Simonds > Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 10:28:22 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > You are probably lucky Diana. We have a member in the I-P109 project who has been waiting since the 11th of sept. (Expected result date). > > He is most probably positive. This goes in the same direction to your suspicion about FTDNA research. > > Nicolas > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]> > Date: > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > > From: Peterson, Phillip R. > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:08 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 > > > > I'll be surprised if FTDNA delivers anywhere near their reported deadline, > > since I've been waiting 3 months for a single SNP which was supposed to be > > resulted one month ago. They haven't even bothered to update the estimated > > due date. > > > It depends. I ordered L1439 on 12/14 and had a result by 12/31! > > I know I was told once that they "gang" these tests, so the more people ordering > them, the sooner a batch is run. Also, I suspect FTDNA's own research interests > affect how quickly a test gets done. Considering how fast this L1439 result > came back, I suspect they're interested in fixing its position in the tree, too. > > Or, I may have just been lucky and got included in a batch that was ready to > roll. > > Diana > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Vella peels off 1800 years b.p. from rest of the McMillan group in M223 Tree. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 5:01 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Unbelievable L1439 is ancestral in I2-M223 (I2a2a, old I2b1) for Kit 69631. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Ken, I received the file. > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 4:01 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > Each of those sources, cts, pf, ysc, etc have their own complete lists of > the snps they discovered or used in their own research. Then Geno2 chip > maker and the Chromo2 chip maker in Scotland incorporated PART of those > various snp series. There is partial overlap from one series to another; > i.e. the same snp (location) pops up with different names in different > folks' series. But we have seen that happen for many years, starting back > with the S series.... > > I will look for your private email to send an attached excel file of the > Geno2 snps

Not being male, I don't have one. > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 3:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > The list is the left most column in anyone's database who is collecting > Geno2 raw data. The list is ubiquitous by now. Every tester of the Geno2 > has it.

> From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 3:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > <snip> > > Do you really want a list of the Geno2 snps? I can easily send a name list > to you. But positions are not given. Yes, I'd appreciate a name list very much. Thank you for offering. Are all these CTS, PF, YSC, etc. SNPs I see on the FTDNA Results tables from the same Geno 2.0 test? Or were there other Y-DNA SNP tests that people took and uploaded to their FTDNA account? Diana

I'm afraid I haven't had anyone take the Geno 2.0 test, except myself, so I've never seen what the raw data for the male Y-chromosome look like. I still don't think there's an actual *list* posted anywhere. It would be useful, so we wouldn't have to keep asking each other whether such-and-such a SNP was covered. But who's going to volunteer to compile a list (or searchable database) of 12,052 SNPs? Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew Simonds > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 3:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > "I can't even find lists of the Geno 2.0 SNPs" > The raw data file from the Geno 2.0 test shows what SNPs they tested for. My > own Geno 2.0 excel file shows that they tested for 12,052 SNPs and they list > what those SNPs were and what was in each allele location (G, G or A,A, or > C,C, etc.) > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 14:58:42 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > > > They're testing 25,000 known SNPs and checking 10 million base pairs for new > > SNPs. > > > > I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for someone to post a list of the 25,000 > SNPs. > > I can't even find lists of the Geno 2.0 SNPs. And would you really want a > list > > of the 10 million loci? > > > > Diana

They're testing 25,000 known SNPs and checking 10 million base pairs for new SNPs. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for someone to post a list of the 25,000 SNPs. I can't even find lists of the Geno 2.0 SNPs. And would you really want a list of the 10 million loci? Diana > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 2:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > I thought big Y was covering 10 million sites on the Y? > > Which actual 10 million sites I have not yet learned from FTDNA or anyone > else. > > 25,000 sites would just be a double Geno2, so to speak. >

AS3 is a large population clade. It is Z382+ Someone from AS3 some time ago found two new snps in his Geno2 results --- CTS2729 and CTS8649. These snps should be being tested by AS3 folks to see how much of AS3 is derived for them. I know of a couple negatives from other Geno2 tests, so AS3 is surely split. But first if you are AS3 you may have to request FTDNA to add these snps to their catalog if they are not yet there. So try to order these snps. If the catalog says they are not part of the product line, then request FTDNA to add them to catalog. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

If you have ordered the BigY, I would not do any a la carte SNP testing, until after you've seen the results. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Simonds > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 2:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > > I'm L22+ P109+ and for that group at the yDNA Haplogroup I: Subclade I1 group, > it says to "consider L1431 & L1438." But I ordered the Big Y during the pre- > sale and was wondering if those SNPs and others like L1439 will be among the > 25,000 SNPs that the Big Y will test for? > Matthew Simonds

Each of those sources, cts, pf, ysc, etc have their own complete lists of the snps they discovered or used in their own research. Then Geno2 chip maker and the Chromo2 chip maker in Scotland incorporated PART of those various snp series. There is partial overlap from one series to another; i.e. the same snp (location) pops up with different names in different folks' series. But we have seen that happen for many years, starting back with the S series.... I will look for your private email to send an attached excel file of the Geno2 snps Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 1:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 3:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > <snip> > > Do you really want a list of the Geno2 snps? I can easily send a name > list > to you. But positions are not given. Yes, I'd appreciate a name list very much. Thank you for offering. Are all these CTS, PF, YSC, etc. SNPs I see on the FTDNA Results tables from the same Geno 2.0 test? Or were there other Y-DNA SNP tests that people took and uploaded to their FTDNA account? Diana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The list is the left most column in anyone's database who is collecting Geno2 raw data. The list is ubiquitous by now. Every tester of the Geno2 has it. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 1:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results I'm afraid I haven't had anyone take the Geno 2.0 test, except myself, so I've never seen what the raw data for the male Y-chromosome look like. I still don't think there's an actual *list* posted anywhere. It would be useful, so we wouldn't have to keep asking each other whether such-and-such a SNP was covered. But who's going to volunteer to compile a list (or searchable database) of 12,052 SNPs? Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew Simonds > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 3:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > "I can't even find lists of the Geno 2.0 SNPs" > The raw data file from the Geno 2.0 test shows what SNPs they tested for. > My > own Geno 2.0 excel file shows that they tested for 12,052 SNPs and they > list > what those SNPs were and what was in each allele location (G, G or A,A, or > C,C, etc.) > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 14:58:42 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] slow-fast return of SNP test results > > > > They're testing 25,000 known SNPs and checking 10 million base pairs for > > new > > SNPs. > > > > I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for someone to post a list of the > > 25,000 > SNPs. > > I can't even find lists of the Geno 2.0 SNPs. And would you really want > > a > list > > of the 10 million loci? > > > > Diana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message