Is L75 not phyloequivalent to M253?

If I recall correctly, Z74 and Z75 are thought to be phyloequivalent; but as Z75 is not offered by FTDNA, I couldn't test this hypothesis. Additionally, my understanding is that S297/Z718 (and Z720 which hasn't really been tested at all) was also thought to be phyloequivalent to S436/Z719/L813. Furthermore, I've dug through the 23andme data for both me and my father and found that we are L277-, which should suggest that L277 is downstream of Z74. Are any of those CTS series SNPs you list synonyms for Z2338? We have Z2336=CTS6364 and Z2337=CTS10028. It'd be great if Z2337 and Z2338 could finally be placed with some certainty.

Rough, rough, rough estimate is that I recall there are a few dozen in Geno2 out of 12,000. You might ask the lab folks how this occurs? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Simonds Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector How common in DNA tests is it for people to have mixed alleles for a specific chromosome locus, i.e. a G and a C in the L22+ fellow instead of two Gs? Matthew > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:17:43 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > Lots of strand confusions going on. Everyone from Chromo2 tests GG- while > the L22+ fellow is GC. > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Obed W Odom > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > My FGC results show my !1-Z138 sample to be negative for both CTS11651 > (C-) > and CTS11561 (G-), the same as the HUGO reference sample. > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > When I saw CTS11651 popping up as snp from Chromo2 today, it joggled a > > memory of same snp name. CTS11561 is derived for a L22+ person; > > ancestral > > for three L22- persons according to Chromo2 results. > > > > I think this snp shows up in full genome results. Can anyone report > > their > > status, especially someone L22+? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lots of strand confusions going on. Everyone from Chromo2 tests GG- while the L22+ fellow is GC. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Obed W Odom Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector My FGC results show my !1-Z138 sample to be negative for both CTS11651 (C-) and CTS11561 (G-), the same as the HUGO reference sample. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > When I saw CTS11651 popping up as snp from Chromo2 today, it joggled a > memory of same snp name. CTS11561 is derived for a L22+ person; ancestral > for three L22- persons according to Chromo2 results. > > I think this snp shows up in full genome results. Can anyone report their > status, especially someone L22+? > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My FGC results show my !1-Z138 sample to be negative for both CTS11651 (C-) and CTS11561 (G-), the same as the HUGO reference sample. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > When I saw CTS11651 popping up as snp from Chromo2 today, it joggled a > memory of same snp name. CTS11561 is derived for a L22+ person; ancestral > for three L22- persons according to Chromo2 results. > > I think this snp shows up in full genome results. Can anyone report their > status, especially someone L22+? > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > >

When I saw CTS11651 popping up as snp from Chromo2 today, it joggled a memory of same snp name. CTS11561 is derived for a L22+ person; ancestral for three L22- persons according to Chromo2 results. I think this snp shows up in full genome results. Can anyone report their status, especially someone L22+? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

Z718 seems to be position 7352846 while L813 is position 7659777 and CTS9346 is position 18839451 So Z718 seems to be useful for the uN L22+ L813+ folks, especially the McDonald and Howard members. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Peterson, Phillip R. Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] uN Snps L75, L718, L719 Is L75 not phyloequivalent to M253? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FTDNA has predicted Jonsbraten haplotype M253 I1. I predict this haplotype to be Z73+ I1-AS9 Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

Diana, You can contact FTDNA and place the order for the Big Y and then FTDNA will deduct the cost from the Project Fund. Wayne On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]>wrote: > A few weeks ago we got the ball rolling for a BigY test for one of our root > I1-M253*'s. We have a volunteer in the form of SHEFFIELD #123861 (1st row > in > the table): > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_M253.html#M253* > > The SHEFFIELD, himself, pledged $200 and so did someone else. I pledged > $50 and > someone else pledged $25, so we are up to $475 pledged. That leaves us > just > $220 to raise and we'll have enough! > > I've been questioned how to accomplish the donations and purchase. > Normally, it > would be easy: We would all make our donations to the Hg I1 project > General > Fund, then the SHEFFIELD would purchase the test using the Invoice payment > method, then the Hg I1 project admin would pay the Invoice from the project > General Fund. > > Unfortunately, as I have discovered, the BigY must be paid for by credit > card. > Payment by Invoice is greyed out when you go to purchase the test. > > It *may* be possible to get FTDNA to make an exception, taking the order > over > the phone and extracting the money from the project General Fund to pay > for it > manually on their end. Frankly, it's rather dense of them to make it so > difficult for their customers to pay for an expensive test! > > If anyone has an idea for getting the purchase accomplished, please > suggest it. > But first things first, we need the rest of the pledges! > > Diana > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Z718=S297 would be. The other two are either identical to or phyloequivalent to L813 and Z74. So do just Z718. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Steutel Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] uN Snps L75, L718, L719 Hi Kenneth, Whould these SNP's be intersting for me? greatings, Stefan (L813+) 2014/1/16 Peterson, Phillip R. <[email protected]> > Is L75 not phyloequivalent to M253? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone send me the link to Krahn’s more recent SNP browser? I inadvertently erased it with no way to dive into garbage to retrieve it. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

I meant Z75, Z718, Z719 Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] uN Snps L75, L718, L719 I would give highest priority for L75, L718, L719 tests for McDonald and Howard in the L813+ L22+ clade. They are close to Gillispie who showed these three derived snps on his Chromo2. Next tier of people to consider these three tests, available in catalog at FTDNA, are Day, Pacot, and Wernstrom from the L22+ L813+ uN clade. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] New I1 SNPs from Chromo2 Today I received 10th Chromo2 raw data and from an L813+ L22+ person. He shows a good number of new snps on the L22+ branch that are negative for all three L22- persons. He even shows derived for L75, L718, and L719 which are negative for other L813+ persons. These snps are in the catalog. See “Chromo2I1work” file for this new branch of snps from Chromo2. Results are subject to change as more files are obtained and troublesome SNPs detected on the chip. I would recommend those of you of the uN clade L22+ L813+ to order L75, L718, L719 snps from FTDNA catalog. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would give highest priority for L75, L718, L719 tests for McDonald and Howard in the L813+ L22+ clade. They are close to Gillispie who showed these three derived snps on his Chromo2. Next tier of people to consider these three tests, available in catalog at FTDNA, are Day, Pacot, and Wernstrom from the L22+ L813+ uN clade. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] New I1 SNPs from Chromo2 Today I received 10th Chromo2 raw data and from an L813+ L22+ person. He shows a good number of new snps on the L22+ branch that are negative for all three L22- persons. He even shows derived for L75, L718, and L719 which are negative for other L813+ persons. These snps are in the catalog. See “Chromo2I1work” file for this new branch of snps from Chromo2. Results are subject to change as more files are obtained and troublesome SNPs detected on the chip. I would recommend those of you of the uN clade L22+ L813+ to order L75, L718, L719 snps from FTDNA catalog. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The browser is here: http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/ You can also access it through the ISOGG SNP index page: http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNA_SNP_Index.html John O'Grady > > Can anyone send me the link to Krahn’s more recent SNP browser? I inadvertently erased it with no way to dive into garbage to retrieve it. > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt

Thank you, Paul! Diana > From: Paul Stone > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:50 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 9, Issue 58 > > Thanks for getting the ball rolling Diana. I just chipped in $30 toward > the Big Y (DF29-) cause. > > Paul > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > A few weeks ago we got the ball rolling for a BigY test for one of > > our root I1-M253*'s. We have a volunteer in the form of SHEFFIELD > > #123861 (1st row in The table): > > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_M253.html#M253* > > > > The SHEFFIELD, himself, pledged $200 and so did someone else. I > > pledged $50 and someone else pledged $25, so we are up to $475 > > pledged. That leaves us just $220 to raise and we'll have enough!

ISOGG hosts it now.   http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/ ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:55 AM Subject: [yDNAhgI] Krahn's new snp browser Can anyone send me the link to Krahn’s more recent SNP browser?  I inadvertently erased it with no way to dive into garbage to retrieve it. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

Today I received 10th Chromo2 raw data and from an L813+ L22+ person. He shows a good number of new snps on the L22+ branch that are negative for all three L22- persons. He even shows derived for L75, L718, and L719 which are negative for other L813+ persons. These snps are in the catalog. See “Chromo2I1work” file for this new branch of snps from Chromo2. Results are subject to change as more files are obtained and troublesome SNPs detected on the chip. I would recommend those of you of the uN clade L22+ L813+ to order L75, L718, L719 snps from FTDNA catalog. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

Thanks for getting the ball rolling Diana. I just chipped in $30 toward the Big Y (DF29-) cause. Paul > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > A few weeks ago we got the ball rolling for a BigY test for one of our > root > > I1-M253*'s. We have a volunteer in the form of SHEFFIELD #123861 (1st > row > > in > > the table): > > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_M253.html#M253* > > > > The SHEFFIELD, himself, pledged $200 and so did someone else. I pledged > > $50 and > > someone else pledged $25, so we are up to $475 pledged. That leaves us > > just > > $220 to raise and we'll have enough! > > > > I've been questioned how to accomplish the donations and purchase. > > Normally, it > > would be easy: We would all make our donations to the Hg I1 project > > General > > Fund, then the SHEFFIELD would purchase the test using the Invoice > payment > > method, then the Hg I1 project admin would pay the Invoice from the > project > > General Fund. > > > > Unfortunately, as I have discovered, the BigY must be paid for by credit > > card. > > Payment by Invoice is greyed out when you go to purchase the test. > > > > It *may* be possible to get FTDNA to make an exception, taking the order > > over > > the phone and extracting the money from the project General Fund to pay > > for it > > manually on their end. Frankly, it's rather dense of them to make it so > > difficult for their customers to pay for an expensive test! > > > > If anyone has an idea for getting the purchase accomplished, please > > suggest it. > > But first things first, we need the rest of the pledges! > > > > Diana > > > > >

Ken, are there, in your opinion, better sites on Y to measure than others? Is it better to measure large blocks as opposed to 400 on each side of known SNPs? Does it make a difference? Matthew Simonds > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:51:23 -0700 > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Which Ten million? > > A couple weeks ago I asked FTDNA which ten million sites on Y are measured in the BigY? Large blocks of sites or 400 each way from each known snp on the chip? > For some reason they have chosen not to answer the question so far. > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just got an OK from the project admin to handle the transaction. You would donate here, using the link to the General Fund lower down the page: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_I1/default.aspx Only $220 to go... We're so close! Diana > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY test for our I1-M253* > > Thanks, Wayne. That's the way we used to have to do it, before they added the > feature to our GAP allowing the admin to do it. I hope I'm safe in assuming > the > Hg I1 project admin is willing to accept the donations and arrange for the > payment... > > So, the hurdle now is to get enough donations to proceed. > > Diana > > > > From: Wayne R. Roberts > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 8:10 PM > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] BigY test for our I1-M253* > > > > Diana, > > > > You can contact FTDNA and place the order for the Big Y and then FTDNA will > > deduct the cost from the Project Fund. > > > > Wayne