The I-M223 Project is still gleaming new information for the odd Geno 2.0 test results. And we hope to learn a lot more over the coming year from Big Y, Chromo2 and Full Genomes. A member recently transferred his Geno 2.0 data to FTDNA. It showed he was: M223+ > CTS616+, CTS9183+ > CTS10057+, CTS10100+ > Z161+ > Z183+ > CTS6433+ > (Z78) > Z171+ > Z185+ > (L1198) > Z180+, Z166-, Z187-, Z190-. (Z78 and L1198 are not on Geno 2.0 chip) This was the first result that has separated Z180 from Z166 and Z187 which were thought to be phyloequivalent. Unfortunately Z180 and Z187 are not in the FTDNA order list but a request will be made to have them added. Like a similar result that separated Z185 and L1198 which is now known to be downstream of Z185, this latest finding could have implications for those I-M223 people that have tested Z185+ or L1198+ AND Z166- or Z190-. Some members have individually tested Z78+ and Z190- or Z79-. It would be hoped they could look at some of those SNPs that fall between Z78 and Z190. Sililarly for those that have tested Z78+ and L1198-. The Continental 1 sector currently looks like: CTS6433 --> Z78 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185 --> L1198 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185 --> L1198 --> Z180 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185 --> L1198 --> Z180 --> Z166, Z187 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185 --> L1198 --> Z180 --> Z166, Z187 --> Z190 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185 --> L1198 --> Z180 --> Z166, Z187 --> Z190 --> Z79 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185 --> L1198 --> Z180 --> Z166, Z187 --> Z190 --> PF6654 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185 --> L1198 --> Z180 --> Z166, Z187 --> P195 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185 --> L1198 --> Z180 --> Z166, Z187 --> F3195 --> CTS6433 --> Z78 --> Z171 --> Z185 --> L1198 --> Z180 --> Z166, Z187 --> PF5268 --> Email me if you might be considering testing for any SNPs. Wayne

I got 11th Chromo2 raw data file today. It’s I1, probably rare M514+, and sure sets things back. A number of snps it proposes are in conflict with other. And there were a super number of “no calls” in the data. At the rate Chromo2 data dribbles out the Chinese will land on Mars before we understand much new from Chromo2. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

How about asking FTDNA for an explanation/double check? N. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 02:43:06 +0000 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > > I'm I-P109 and my result for DYS 385 was 14-15. So a while ago I decided to do a Kittler Test and I just got my result which was 14-16. I assume that this means that I'm low/high, but shouldn't it have been 14-15? > > Matthew Simonds > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken and Matthew, I am not sure Potter is of the same haplotype. Yes indeed he shares many values with Simmon(d)s, Diver and Lambert and he has a 14/16 on 385, but he has also important differences that fits better with others: Grant (43245) and Parker (69436) with 21 at 448 and 10 at 537. One could argue that Grant and Parker are also related to the Simmon(d)s & co, but they do not have the full 111 markers so it is difficult to exclude any hypothesis so far. Nicolas. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:15:39 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > You also are related to a Lambert haplotype > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Simonds > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > > 14-15 are probably the correct numbers since two other relatives of mine are > also 14-15. But we now know that these two numbers are Low/High. > > Matthew Simonds > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:55:36 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > > > ha; left hand does not know what right hand does. Your personal page has > > 14,15 in the list of STRs and Kittler 14,16 in the other tests. > > > > But remember; these STR results are produced by visual inspection, so this > > should be a reminder to all that mistakes are made now and then. > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew Simonds > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:43 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > > > > > I'm I-P109 and my result for DYS 385 was 14-15. So a while ago I decided > > to > > do a Kittler Test and I just got my result which was 14-16. I assume that > > this means that I'm low/high, but shouldn't it have been 14-15? > > > > Matthew Simonds > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I take that back. Lambert has joined the I-P109 haplogroup project. Matthew Simonds > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 03:17:07 +0000 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > > > > You seem related to a Potter and a Diver haplotype. > > > > > I'm also related to Lambert (kit 206903) but he's not in the I-P109 Hapogroup Project. My own family of Simonds (variants Symonds/Simons) and Diver and Lambert all appear to have come from East Anglia, from eastern Cambridgeshire and Suffolk. The ancestors of Lambert and Diver lived less than 10 miles from each other in the early 17th century. > Places where Simonds/Diver/Lambert match each other > but are outside the modal values for P109+: > > > DYS385b modal > for P109 = 14, Simonds/Simons/Diver/Lambert = 15 > > DYF 406S1 > modal for P109 = 9, Simonds/Simons/Diver/Lambert = 10 > > DYS 511 > modal for P109 = 10, Simonds/Simons/Diver/Lambert = 11 > > DYS413b > modal for P109 = 25, Simonds/Simons/Diver/Lambert = 24 > > DYS481 modal > for P109 = 25, Simonds/Simons/Diver/Lambert = 27 > > DYS445 modal > for P109 = 11, Simonds/Diver/Lambert = 10 > > DYS510 modal > for P109 = 18, Simonds/Diver/Lambert = 19 > > DYS461 modal > for P109 = 12, Simonds/Diver/Lambert = 11 > > Matthew Simonds > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:04:12 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > > > You seem related to a Potter and a Diver haplotype. > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew Simonds > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:43 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > > > > > I'm I-P109 and my result for DYS 385 was 14-15. So a while ago I decided to > > do a Kittler Test and I just got my result which was 14-16. I assume that > > this means that I'm low/high, but shouldn't it have been 14-15? > > > > Matthew Simonds > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > You seem related to a Potter and a Diver haplotype. > I'm also related to Lambert (kit 206903) but he's not in the I-P109 Hapogroup Project. My own family of Simonds (variants Symonds/Simons) and Diver and Lambert all appear to have come from East Anglia, from eastern Cambridgeshire and Suffolk. The ancestors of Lambert and Diver lived less than 10 miles from each other in the early 17th century. Places where Simonds/Diver/Lambert match each other but are outside the modal values for P109+: DYS385b modal for P109 = 14, Simonds/Simons/Diver/Lambert = 15 DYF 406S1 modal for P109 = 9, Simonds/Simons/Diver/Lambert = 10 DYS 511 modal for P109 = 10, Simonds/Simons/Diver/Lambert = 11 DYS413b modal for P109 = 25, Simonds/Simons/Diver/Lambert = 24 DYS481 modal for P109 = 25, Simonds/Simons/Diver/Lambert = 27 DYS445 modal for P109 = 11, Simonds/Diver/Lambert = 10 DYS510 modal for P109 = 18, Simonds/Diver/Lambert = 19 DYS461 modal for P109 = 12, Simonds/Diver/Lambert = 11 Matthew Simonds > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:04:12 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > You seem related to a Potter and a Diver haplotype. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Simonds > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > > I'm I-P109 and my result for DYS 385 was 14-15. So a while ago I decided to > do a Kittler Test and I just got my result which was 14-16. I assume that > this means that I'm low/high, but shouldn't it have been 14-15? > > Matthew Simonds > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

14-15 are probably the correct numbers since two other relatives of mine are also 14-15. But we now know that these two numbers are Low/High. Matthew Simonds > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:55:36 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > ha; left hand does not know what right hand does. Your personal page has > 14,15 in the list of STRs and Kittler 14,16 in the other tests. > > But remember; these STR results are produced by visual inspection, so this > should be a reminder to all that mistakes are made now and then. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Simonds > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > > I'm I-P109 and my result for DYS 385 was 14-15. So a while ago I decided to > do a Kittler Test and I just got my result which was 14-16. I assume that > this means that I'm low/high, but shouldn't it have been 14-15? > > Matthew Simonds > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm I-P109 and my result for DYS 385 was 14-15. So a while ago I decided to do a Kittler Test and I just got my result which was 14-16. I assume that this means that I'm low/high, but shouldn't it have been 14-15? Matthew Simonds

> > So on Geno 2.0 when they report results for Allele1 and Allele2, are these just results for a specific Y locus from two separate cells? > Or is this two separate reads of the same locus from the same cell > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 01:02:05 +0000 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > For the Y chromosome, since there is only 1 copy of the Y per cell, there > > should only be one allele for an individual at any location. > > So on Geno 2.0 when they report results for Allele1 and Allele2, are these just results for a specific Y locus from two separate cells? > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:29:06 -0600 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > For the Y chromosome, since there is only 1 copy of the Y per cell, there > > should only be one allele for an individual at any location. I don't know > > why Geno 2.0 reports two alleles for the Y, except for a few locations at > > which there is an almost identical sequence on the X chromosome,and the > > Geno 2.0 chip picks up both the Y and X alleles. For all of the autosomes, > > where there are 2 copies per cell, 2 alleles are expected, and they can be > > identical or different at any location. > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Rough, rough, rough estimate is that I recall there are a few dozen in > > > Geno2 > > > out of 12,000. You might ask the lab folks how this occurs? > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matthew Simonds > > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:06 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > > > > > > How common in DNA tests is it for people to have mixed alleles for a > > > specific chromosome locus, i.e. a G and a C in the L22+ fellow instead of > > > two Gs? > > > > > > Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:17:43 -0700 > > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > > > > > Lots of strand confusions going on. Everyone from Chromo2 tests GG- > > > while > > > > the L22+ fellow is GC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Obed W Odom > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:35 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > > > > > My FGC results show my !1-Z138 sample to be negative for both CTS11651 > > > > (C-) > > > > and CTS11561 (G-), the same as the HUGO reference sample. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > When I saw CTS11651 popping up as snp from Chromo2 today, it joggled a > > > > > memory of same snp name. CTS11561 is derived for a L22+ person; > > > > > ancestral > > > > > for three L22- persons according to Chromo2 results. > > > > > > > > > > I think this snp shows up in full genome results. Can anyone report > > > > > their > > > > > status, especially someone L22+? > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> For the Y chromosome, since there is only 1 copy of the Y per cell, there > should only be one allele for an individual at any location. So on Geno 2.0 when they report results for Allele1 and Allele2, are these just results for a specific Y locus from two separate cells? > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:29:06 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > For the Y chromosome, since there is only 1 copy of the Y per cell, there > should only be one allele for an individual at any location. I don't know > why Geno 2.0 reports two alleles for the Y, except for a few locations at > which there is an almost identical sequence on the X chromosome,and the > Geno 2.0 chip picks up both the Y and X alleles. For all of the autosomes, > where there are 2 copies per cell, 2 alleles are expected, and they can be > identical or different at any location. > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Rough, rough, rough estimate is that I recall there are a few dozen in > > Geno2 > > out of 12,000. You might ask the lab folks how this occurs? > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew Simonds > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:06 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > > > How common in DNA tests is it for people to have mixed alleles for a > > specific chromosome locus, i.e. a G and a C in the L22+ fellow instead of > > two Gs? > > > > Matthew > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:17:43 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > > > Lots of strand confusions going on. Everyone from Chromo2 tests GG- > > while > > > the L22+ fellow is GC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Obed W Odom > > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:35 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > > > My FGC results show my !1-Z138 sample to be negative for both CTS11651 > > > (C-) > > > and CTS11561 (G-), the same as the HUGO reference sample. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > When I saw CTS11651 popping up as snp from Chromo2 today, it joggled a > > > > memory of same snp name. CTS11561 is derived for a L22+ person; > > > > ancestral > > > > for three L22- persons according to Chromo2 results. > > > > > > > > I think this snp shows up in full genome results. Can anyone report > > > > their > > > > status, especially someone L22+? > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, the pseudoautosomal regions of the Y could show 2 alleles on the Geno 2.0 chip, but I would think the chip would avoid these regions since, due to their frequent recombination with the X, they are not useful for the Y phylogenetic tree. There is another region of the Y which is thought to have been copied from the X long ago and whose sequence is therefore very similar to the X. I think this region includes at least positions 3.5 to 6.0 million on the Y (corresponding to 89.3 to 91.8 million on the X). It rarely if ever recombines with the X so some useful Y SNPs are in this region, and these might also show the X allele on the Geno 2.0 chip. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]>wrote: > While 95% of the Y-chromosome does not have comparable alleles on the X, > the > tips of the X and Y do recombine. These are called pseudoautosomal > regions; > and, from the standpoint of inheritance, they behave like autosomes: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoautosomal_region > > Could these have something to do with the reporting of two alleles on a Y > test? > > Diana > > > > From: Obed W Odom > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:29 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > As far as I know, the Y should be identical in every somatic cell of an > > individual. It is true that parts of the Y have internal repeats of > > sequences, but I would think these regions would be avoided by the Geno > 2.0 > > chip. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How common in DNA tests is it for people to have mixed alleles for a specific chromosome locus, i.e. a G and a C in the L22+ fellow instead of two Gs? Matthew > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:17:43 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > Lots of strand confusions going on. Everyone from Chromo2 tests GG- while > the L22+ fellow is GC. > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Obed W Odom > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > My FGC results show my !1-Z138 sample to be negative for both CTS11651 (C-) > and CTS11561 (G-), the same as the HUGO reference sample. > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > When I saw CTS11651 popping up as snp from Chromo2 today, it joggled a > > memory of same snp name. CTS11561 is derived for a L22+ person; ancestral > > for three L22- persons according to Chromo2 results. > > > > I think this snp shows up in full genome results. Can anyone report their > > status, especially someone L22+? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While 95% of the Y-chromosome does not have comparable alleles on the X, the tips of the X and Y do recombine. These are called pseudoautosomal regions; and, from the standpoint of inheritance, they behave like autosomes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoautosomal_region Could these have something to do with the reporting of two alleles on a Y test? Diana > From: Obed W Odom > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > As far as I know, the Y should be identical in every somatic cell of an > individual. It is true that parts of the Y have internal repeats of > sequences, but I would think these regions would be avoided by the Geno 2.0 > chip.

You also are related to a Lambert haplotype Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Simonds Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test 14-15 are probably the correct numbers since two other relatives of mine are also 14-15. But we now know that these two numbers are Low/High. Matthew Simonds > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:55:36 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > ha; left hand does not know what right hand does. Your personal page has > 14,15 in the list of STRs and Kittler 14,16 in the other tests. > > But remember; these STR results are produced by visual inspection, so this > should be a reminder to all that mistakes are made now and then. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Simonds > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test > > > I'm I-P109 and my result for DYS 385 was 14-15. So a while ago I decided > to > do a Kittler Test and I just got my result which was 14-16. I assume that > this means that I'm low/high, but shouldn't it have been 14-15? > > Matthew Simonds > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You seem related to a Potter and a Diver haplotype. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Simonds Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test I'm I-P109 and my result for DYS 385 was 14-15. So a while ago I decided to do a Kittler Test and I just got my result which was 14-16. I assume that this means that I'm low/high, but shouldn't it have been 14-15? Matthew Simonds ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ha; left hand does not know what right hand does. Your personal page has 14,15 in the list of STRs and Kittler 14,16 in the other tests. But remember; these STR results are produced by visual inspection, so this should be a reminder to all that mistakes are made now and then. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Simonds Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Kittler Test I'm I-P109 and my result for DYS 385 was 14-15. So a while ago I decided to do a Kittler Test and I just got my result which was 14-16. I assume that this means that I'm low/high, but shouldn't it have been 14-15? Matthew Simonds ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As far as I know, the Y should be identical in every somatic cell of an individual. It is true that parts of the Y have internal repeats of sequences, but I would think these regions would be avoided by the Geno 2.0 chip. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Matthew Simonds <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > So on Geno 2.0 when they report results for Allele1 and Allele2, are > these just results for a specific Y locus from two separate cells? > > > > Or is this two separate reads of the same locus from the same cell > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 01:02:05 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > > For the Y chromosome, since there is only 1 copy of the Y per cell, > there > > > should only be one allele for an individual at any location. > > > > So on Geno 2.0 when they report results for Allele1 and Allele2, are > these just results for a specific Y locus from two separate cells? > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:29:06 -0600 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > > > For the Y chromosome, since there is only 1 copy of the Y per cell, > there > > > should only be one allele for an individual at any location. I don't > know > > > why Geno 2.0 reports two alleles for the Y, except for a few locations > at > > > which there is an almost identical sequence on the X chromosome,and the > > > Geno 2.0 chip picks up both the Y and X alleles. For all of the > autosomes, > > > where there are 2 copies per cell, 2 alleles are expected, and they > can be > > > identical or different at any location. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > Rough, rough, rough estimate is that I recall there are a few dozen > in > > > > Geno2 > > > > out of 12,000. You might ask the lab folks how this occurs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Matthew Simonds > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:06 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > > > > > > > > > How common in DNA tests is it for people to have mixed alleles for a > > > > specific chromosome locus, i.e. a G and a C in the L22+ fellow > instead of > > > > two Gs? > > > > > > > > Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:17:43 -0700 > > > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > > > > > > > Lots of strand confusions going on. Everyone from Chromo2 tests > GG- > > > > while > > > > > the L22+ fellow is GC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > > > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Obed W Odom > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:35 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > > > > > > > My FGC results show my !1-Z138 sample to be negative for both > CTS11651 > > > > > (C-) > > > > > and CTS11561 (G-), the same as the HUGO reference sample. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > When I saw CTS11651 popping up as snp from Chromo2 today, it > joggled a > > > > > > memory of same snp name. CTS11561 is derived for a L22+ person; > > > > > > ancestral > > > > > > for three L22- persons according to Chromo2 results. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this snp shows up in full genome results. Can anyone > report > > > > > > their > > > > > > status, especially someone L22+? > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > > > > without > > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

this one? http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/ 2014/1/16 Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]> > Can anyone send me the link to Krahn’s more recent SNP browser? I > inadvertently erased it with no way to dive into garbage to retrieve it. > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kenneth, Whould these SNP's be intersting for me? greatings, Stefan (L813+) 2014/1/16 Peterson, Phillip R. <[email protected]> > Is L75 not phyloequivalent to M253? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

For the Y chromosome, since there is only 1 copy of the Y per cell, there should only be one allele for an individual at any location. I don't know why Geno 2.0 reports two alleles for the Y, except for a few locations at which there is an almost identical sequence on the X chromosome,and the Geno 2.0 chip picks up both the Y and X alleles. For all of the autosomes, where there are 2 copies per cell, 2 alleles are expected, and they can be identical or different at any location. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > Rough, rough, rough estimate is that I recall there are a few dozen in > Geno2 > out of 12,000. You might ask the lab folks how this occurs? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Simonds > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > How common in DNA tests is it for people to have mixed alleles for a > specific chromosome locus, i.e. a G and a C in the L22+ fellow instead of > two Gs? > > Matthew > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:17:43 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > Lots of strand confusions going on. Everyone from Chromo2 tests GG- > while > > the L22+ fellow is GC. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Obed W Odom > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:35 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] CTS11651 in I1 L22+ Sector > > > > My FGC results show my !1-Z138 sample to be negative for both CTS11651 > > (C-) > > and CTS11561 (G-), the same as the HUGO reference sample. > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > When I saw CTS11651 popping up as snp from Chromo2 today, it joggled a > > > memory of same snp name. CTS11561 is derived for a L22+ person; > > > ancestral > > > for three L22- persons according to Chromo2 results. > > > > > > I think this snp shows up in full genome results. Can anyone report > > > their > > > status, especially someone L22+? > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >