I am the person doing the Arce genealogy research in Baja California and want to ask if I should get any further testing done for Francisco Arce? I believe I did the 67 and that was it as far as Y. These boys (3) are I-P37.2. I have just returned from 6+ weeks on a muletrip collecting DNA in Mexico and will be returning to finish off another 350 miles in a few weeks, I will not be in the mountain range he lives in until the fall. Teddi Montes The Californio DNA Project On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Bernie Cullen wrote: > I have drawn up a new tree of the main branches of I-P37.2: > http://i2aproject.blogspot.com/2014/01/top-level-snps-in-i-p372.html > > There is no new information on the tree, but maybe I haven't > presented it > all in one place before. > > Let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions. > > Bernie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi, Phil, Thank you for this information. I didn't know that L69 had been removed from trees at FTDNA and ISOGG but consider that decision a mistake since it has already proven its worth in sorting subgroups on the CTS6364 branch and probably has equal potential at other points in the tree where it occurs. Lindsey ******************** Hi Lindsey, I don't know the details of how the yfull tree is assembled, but when I see L69, it's a clue to the confusion. Here are my thoughts on why the yfull tree shows these SNPS as parallel: * If the dataset is limited, some intervening SNPs may be unaccounted for. * L69 has over two dozen known state changes. For some period of time in the past, it derived vs. ancestral state was not clear. Because of its unstable nature, it was removed from the ISOGG and FTDNA trees in 2012. This doesn't mean its not a useful SNP, but rather it was deemed to not comply with the ISOGG Listing Criteria. I think the yfull tree is automated. Perhaps the variability of L69 is causing issues with the logic. For the above and other reasons, I consult various trees online as each is built on different criteria and sometimes with different data. For me, they all helpful in different ways. * Re L22, I suspect the issue is actually CTS10028, which has limited testing data. Re the ISOGG Tree, the Listing Criteria are at http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_SNP_Requirements13.html. Items 6 and 7 are often hurdles due to limited testing of a SNP. If you would like to see a SNP added to the ISOGG Tree, please email me off list with the necessary details that satisfy the Listing Criteria. Thanks, Phil

I attempted to copy paste record from FTDNA. Unfortunately the formatting was lost making the post difficult to read. Kit 160188 test for L1439 has been sent to lab for processing. Expected completion date is 3/13/2014. On prior SNP tests actual results have been returned prior to expected completion date. I note that FTDNA apparently sends new orders to lab on Wednesdays, regardless of when during preceding week an order is made.

Kit NumberNameProductsLab ProcedureBatchExpected DateNote160188<http://my.familytreedna.com/?ekit=t6i89jMLuPg%3d>Mr. Carlton Eugene ( Gene) PrescottL1439L14395523/13/2014

I have drawn up a new tree of the main branches of I-P37.2: http://i2aproject.blogspot.com/2014/01/top-level-snps-in-i-p372.html There is no new information on the tree, but maybe I haven't presented it all in one place before. Let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions. Bernie

All, I emailed Helen with www.scotlandsdna.com which is affiliated with the Cromo2 kits looking for a Z63/S243 sample. Here is her reply: Dear Paul Thanks for your email. Hopefully in the next week we will be releasing an anonymised dataset of the raw Y data for 1000 random men, which will surely include one or a few S243 individuals. I'll keep you posted on the progress with this as we'd like to help if we can. Best wishes Helen *Helen Moffat* *Marketing Manager* *ScotlandsDNA* Inside all of us lies a hidden history, the story of an immense journey told by our DNA. *www.scotlandsdna.com <www.scotlandsdna.com>* Twitter: @ScotlandsDNA Renwick Suite A, High Street Melrose, TD6 9PB T: 01896 800 720 M: 07881 249 368

Yes Martha, please join the Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project. Wayne Roberts Volunteer Co-Administrator I-M223 Project and Roberts Surname Project On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > At the present L126 would be the most defining snp for the Isles-Scot > clade. > That could change after a number of the Isles-Scot people who ordered BigY > get their results starting next month. More downstream markers for the > clade should surely be found. > > The M223 Project should be the best place to join and keep track of latest > developments for Isles-Scot. > > See"Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at my website link below to see the > place > of L126 Isles-Scot in the overall Tree as of today. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: BowesSurnames > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:24 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] DYS425=Null in FTDNA I2b1 > > On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > > > > From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> > > > > You did not mention the most unusual or rare feature of your Isles-Scot > > L126+ haplotype. DYS640=8 I have never seen before. Standard value is > 11 > > for this clade. > > > Thanks so much for your help Ken. I didn't point out DYS640=8 'cause I'm > not > well versed in the nuances ;-). I appreciate you mentioning it! > > Doing a google search for Isles-Scot, I don't find a separate DNA project > or > website for them? Is the best place to follow Isles-Scots developments this > list? I'll be interested in how SNP testing begins to break them out so I > can get advice, in due course, on which advanced SNP test my group might > want to order. I'll try to get the 67 marker Bowes to join the I Hap DNA > project. > > Thanks again, Martha > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

FWIW... Based on what data I could dig up (i.e., actual SNP test results), this L69 is downstream of CTS6364 and upstream of M227, not parallel to it: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_matrix_M253.html#L69.1 I've yet to find anyone who's tested CTS8252: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_haplotree.html#tree Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Phillip Goff > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:17 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Position of M227 in Tree > > Hi Lindsey, > > I don't know the details of how the yfull tree is assembled, but when I see > L69, it's a clue to the confusion. Here are my thoughts on why the yfull > tree shows these SNPS as parallel: > > * If the dataset is limited, some intervening SNPs may be unaccounted for. > * L69 has over two dozen known state changes. For some period of time in the > past, it derived vs. ancestral state was not clear. Because of its unstable > nature, it was removed from the ISOGG and FTDNA trees in 2012. This doesn't > mean its not a useful SNP, but rather it was deemed to not comply with the > ISOGG Listing Criteria. I think the yfull tree is automated. Perhaps the > variability of L69 is causing issues with the logic. For the above and other > reasons, I consult various trees online as each is built on different > criteria and sometimes with different data. For me, they all helpful in > different ways. > * Re L22, I suspect the issue is actually CTS10028, which has limited > testing data. > > Re the ISOGG Tree, the Listing Criteria are at > http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_SNP_Requirements13.html. Items 6 and 7 are > often hurdles due to limited testing of a SNP. If you would like to see a > SNP added to the ISOGG Tree, please email me off list with the necessary > details that satisfy the Listing Criteria. Thanks, > > Phil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Britton > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 11:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Position of M227 in Tree > > > Does anyone know why M227 is parallel to L69.1, F3312, CTS8582, and L22 on > the Y-Full Tree? > > http://www.yfull.com/tree/I1a/ > > What about CTS8582? Has anyone tested positive? > > Lindsey > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

Hi Lindsey, I don't know the details of how the yfull tree is assembled, but when I see L69, it's a clue to the confusion. Here are my thoughts on why the yfull tree shows these SNPS as parallel: * If the dataset is limited, some intervening SNPs may be unaccounted for. * L69 has over two dozen known state changes. For some period of time in the past, it derived vs. ancestral state was not clear. Because of its unstable nature, it was removed from the ISOGG and FTDNA trees in 2012. This doesn't mean its not a useful SNP, but rather it was deemed to not comply with the ISOGG Listing Criteria. I think the yfull tree is automated. Perhaps the variability of L69 is causing issues with the logic. For the above and other reasons, I consult various trees online as each is built on different criteria and sometimes with different data. For me, they all helpful in different ways. * Re L22, I suspect the issue is actually CTS10028, which has limited testing data. Re the ISOGG Tree, the Listing Criteria are at http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_SNP_Requirements13.html. Items 6 and 7 are often hurdles due to limited testing of a SNP. If you would like to see a SNP added to the ISOGG Tree, please email me off list with the necessary details that satisfy the Listing Criteria. Thanks, Phil -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Britton Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 11:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] Position of M227 in Tree Does anyone know why M227 is parallel to L69.1, F3312, CTS8582, and L22 on the Y-Full Tree? http://www.yfull.com/tree/I1a/ What about CTS8582? Has anyone tested positive? Lindsey

Connie, I know we have quite a few in the I-M223 Project. We would be happy to have all of them join up. I think it is good to see the different haplotypes that have emerged in branches of a paternal line. On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Connie <[email protected]> wrote: > > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/GillespieDNAProject/default.aspx?section=ycolorized > > I2a M223>M284>L1195>L369/L137/L126 Isles-Scot, Kittler 16-15 (Grp 1) The > Gillespie Isles-Scot kits have DYS460 results of the usual 11, but also 7, > 10 & 12. > > One ancestral line with two testees has one kit with DYS460 = 10 and the > other is DYS460=7. > > Not all of the Gillespie kits in this subgroup have been joined to the Hap > I project. Do you want all of them? > > Connie McKenzie - Gillespie DNA Project Volunteer Admin > > =============================================================== > > > You did not mention the most unusual or rare feature of your Isles-Scot > > L126+ haplotype. DYS640=8 I have never seen before. Standard value is 11 > for this clade. > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: BowesSurnames > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [yDNAhgI] DYS425=Null in FTDNA I2b1 > > This occurs in one of my Bowes light blue groups, Scotland to Ireland. One > has a 0 and the other simply shows an empty spot. Should that be 0 also? Do > I need to have FTDNA rerun it? Is this unique or meaningful in any way? > > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/bowes/default.aspx?section=yresults > > Thanks in advance, Martha Bowes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The I-M223 Project has one person that is M284+ L126+ and has DYS425=12. He is Kit # 55362 Falconer. On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > You did not mention the most unusual or rare feature of your Isles-Scot > L126+ haplotype. DYS640=8 I have never seen before. Standard value is 11 > for this clade. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: BowesSurnames > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [yDNAhgI] DYS425=Null in FTDNA I2b1 > > This occurs in one of my Bowes light blue groups, Scotland to Ireland. One > has a 0 and the other simply shows an empty spot. Should that be 0 also? Do > I need to have FTDNA rerun it? Is this unique or meaningful in any way? > > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/bowes/default.aspx?section=yresults > > Thanks in advance, Martha Bowes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have compared 22 Geno 2.0 raw data files from people in "Dinaric" (which has been called various names over the years, currently I2a2 at FTDNA, also has been called I-P37.2xM26, I-M423, I-L621, I-L69, I-L147 and now and most accurately, I-CTS5966). Whatever you call it, this is the branch of I-P37.2 that is very common in Eastern and Central Europe. I have found 6 of the 22 people who each have a single unique SNP result not shared with any of the others. The two new SNP discoveries are on top: PF4309+ found in one man with Austrian paternal ancestry, no STRs for him yet PF879+ found in one man with Montenegrin paternal ancestry CTS5780+ found in one man with Ukrainian paternal ancestry PF3915+ found in one man with Jewish paternal ancestry from Belarus. unfortunately this seems to be a Geno 2.0 error or at least not useful. Several people with matching markers have tested this SNP at FTDNA, including a very close relative, and they have all been PF3915-. CTS8429+ found in one man with Greek paternal ancestry. This SNP is available at FTDNA but no one has tested it, the first person to test it at FTDNA should probably be the guy who did the Geno 2.0 test. PF3618- found in one man with Czech paternal ancestry. The rest of haplogroup I is PF3618+. Someone explained to me earlier that maybe this PF3618- result isn't very interesting. You can see all these results and the kit numbers, surnames, countries of origin here: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup,I2aHapGroup/default.aspx?section=ysnp Bernie

Anyone who depends on the FTDNA conversion process rather than the raw data itself is skating on thin ice. Sometimes we do not have or never get the raw data from someone and need to use FTDNA's conversion/rendition. But when doing so one must remember the ice. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB McCrummen Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion My mistake on Z61. Thanks for your correction. The fundamental issue I am raising is that FTDNA conversion process appears to have some problems and that they may be in correcting the problem. Hopefully the problem has not been incorrect on the most important SNPs. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][email protected]> Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 8:22 pm To: <[2][email protected]> Geno2 has no Z61 on it, and Z62 is broken and reads the same TT for everyone regardless if upstream or downstream. Regarding the other snps you mention, you are normal and showing same values as other I1 people: L244=DD, L380=AA, L705=TT, L706=AA, PF1248=TT Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB McCrummen Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:07 PM To: [4][email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion Since my original posting, I have found 9 of my SNPs not converted (ie not posted) in the FTDNA conversion process. All nine SNPs are derived, at least based on specific information found for each in the ISOGG (Krahn) browser. The nine SNPs are: L244, L380, L705, L706, L707, PF1248, Z61, Z62. Earlier this month I sent an email to Rebekah Canada at FTDNA; her response was that FTDNA is in process of updating the conversion process. However, due to an employee on holiday, no additional information was available at the time of her response. So, perhaps in the next few days we will get further info on the update. JB McCrummen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][5][email protected]> Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 6:56 pm To: <[2][6][email protected]> Main problem with FTDNA readings of Geno2 results is that no calls get lost in the negatives; only "positives" are reported and sometimes what is positive is in error. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3][7]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB McCrummen Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:19 AM To: [4][8][email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion Ken- Is your explanation below, then, the reason that the GENO 2.0 derived reading on L380 is not reported by FTDNA in their conversion process? If not, have you found other GENO 2.0 readings not reported in the FTDNA conversion? JB McCrummen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][5][9][email protected]> Date: Fri, January 03, 2014 3:33 pm To: <[2][6][10][email protected]> I'm afraid everyone is AA for L380. Whether that is technically ancestral or derived is of secondary importance it seems; it could have mutated somewhere upstream in the tree rendering IJK as well as R haplogroups as derived AA. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3][7][11]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB MCCRUMMEN Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 12:53 PM To: YDNA I_ROOTSWEB LIST Subject: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion In previous post, Diana mentioned a missing derived GENO 2.0 result (L380+) in the Project I conversion by FTDNA. I checked the FTDNA GENO 2.0 conversion for my results and L380+ is also missing in the FTDNA conversion table. My GENO 2.0 L380 reading is derived ( AA and ISOGG/Krahn Browser confirms this is derived). Two Questions: 1- Are there other GENO 2.0 participants whose readings (L380 and other SNPs) missing and/or not accurately converted? 2- Are there other GENO 2.0 SNP readings missing and/or not accurately converted? JB MCCRUMMEN FTDNA KIT: 75432 --------------- Previous posting from Diana: From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <[4][8][12][email protected]> Subject: [yDNAhgI] Rasey I2 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:04:28 -0500 Well, duhhh. I could just go look at the ISOGG tree, so I did. Given that he's Z78-, it does surprise me that he's also CTS6433-. But I guess what does surprise me is that his L380+ is still not on the page, even at the bottom as a private SNP. My first impulse is to order CTS1977 and L1290, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't just pop for the BigY, instead of this drip, drip, drip ordering of a la carte SNPs. Diana ----------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5][9][13][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. [10][14]mailto:[email protected] 2. [11][15]mailto:[email protected] 3. [12][16]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/ 4. 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My mistake on Z61. Thanks for your correction. The fundamental issue I am raising is that FTDNA conversion process appears to have some problems and that they may be in correcting the problem. Hopefully the problem has not been incorrect on the most important SNPs. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][email protected]> Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 8:22 pm To: <[2][email protected]> Geno2 has no Z61 on it, and Z62 is broken and reads the same TT for everyone regardless if upstream or downstream. Regarding the other snps you mention, you are normal and showing same values as other I1 people: L244=DD, L380=AA, L705=TT, L706=AA, PF1248=TT Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB McCrummen Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:07 PM To: [4][email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion Since my original posting, I have found 9 of my SNPs not converted (ie not posted) in the FTDNA conversion process. All nine SNPs are derived, at least based on specific information found for each in the ISOGG (Krahn) browser. The nine SNPs are: L244, L380, L705, L706, L707, PF1248, Z61, Z62. Earlier this month I sent an email to Rebekah Canada at FTDNA; her response was that FTDNA is in process of updating the conversion process. However, due to an employee on holiday, no additional information was available at the time of her response. So, perhaps in the next few days we will get further info on the update. JB McCrummen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][5][email protected]> Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 6:56 pm To: <[2][6][email protected]> Main problem with FTDNA readings of Geno2 results is that no calls get lost in the negatives; only "positives" are reported and sometimes what is positive is in error. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3][7]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB McCrummen Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:19 AM To: [4][8][email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion Ken- Is your explanation below, then, the reason that the GENO 2.0 derived reading on L380 is not reported by FTDNA in their conversion process? If not, have you found other GENO 2.0 readings not reported in the FTDNA conversion? JB McCrummen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][5][9][email protected]> Date: Fri, January 03, 2014 3:33 pm To: <[2][6][10][email protected]> I'm afraid everyone is AA for L380. Whether that is technically ancestral or derived is of secondary importance it seems; it could have mutated somewhere upstream in the tree rendering IJK as well as R haplogroups as derived AA. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3][7][11]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB MCCRUMMEN Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 12:53 PM To: YDNA I_ROOTSWEB LIST Subject: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion In previous post, Diana mentioned a missing derived GENO 2.0 result (L380+) in the Project I conversion by FTDNA. I checked the FTDNA GENO 2.0 conversion for my results and L380+ is also missing in the FTDNA conversion table. My GENO 2.0 L380 reading is derived ( AA and ISOGG/Krahn Browser confirms this is derived). Two Questions: 1- Are there other GENO 2.0 participants whose readings (L380 and other SNPs) missing and/or not accurately converted? 2- Are there other GENO 2.0 SNP readings missing and/or not accurately converted? JB MCCRUMMEN FTDNA KIT: 75432 --------------- Previous posting from Diana: From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <[4][8][12][email protected]> Subject: [yDNAhgI] Rasey I2 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:04:28 -0500 Well, duhhh. I could just go look at the ISOGG tree, so I did. Given that he's Z78-, it does surprise me that he's also CTS6433-. But I guess what does surprise me is that his L380+ is still not on the page, even at the bottom as a private SNP. My first impulse is to order CTS1977 and L1290, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't just pop for the BigY, instead of this drip, drip, drip ordering of a la carte SNPs. 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On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > > From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> > > You did not mention the most unusual or rare feature of your Isles-Scot L126+ haplotype. DYS640=8 I have never seen before. Standard value is 11 for this clade. > Thanks so much for your help Ken. I didn't point out DYS640=8 'cause I'm not well versed in the nuances ;-). I appreciate you mentioning it! Doing a google search for Isles-Scot, I don't find a separate DNA project or website for them? Is the best place to follow Isles-Scots developments this list? I'll be interested in how SNP testing begins to break them out so I can get advice, in due course, on which advanced SNP test my group might want to order. I'll try to get the 67 marker Bowes to join the I Hap DNA project. Thanks again, Martha

At the present L126 would be the most defining snp for the Isles-Scot clade. That could change after a number of the Isles-Scot people who ordered BigY get their results starting next month. More downstream markers for the clade should surely be found. The M223 Project should be the best place to join and keep track of latest developments for Isles-Scot. See"Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at my website link below to see the place of L126 Isles-Scot in the overall Tree as of today. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: BowesSurnames Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] DYS425=Null in FTDNA I2b1 On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > > From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[email protected]> > > You did not mention the most unusual or rare feature of your Isles-Scot > L126+ haplotype. DYS640=8 I have never seen before. Standard value is 11 > for this clade. > Thanks so much for your help Ken. I didn't point out DYS640=8 'cause I'm not well versed in the nuances ;-). I appreciate you mentioning it! Doing a google search for Isles-Scot, I don't find a separate DNA project or website for them? Is the best place to follow Isles-Scots developments this list? I'll be interested in how SNP testing begins to break them out so I can get advice, in due course, on which advanced SNP test my group might want to order. I'll try to get the 67 marker Bowes to join the I Hap DNA project. Thanks again, Martha ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/GillespieDNAProject/default.aspx?section=ycolorized I2a M223>M284>L1195>L369/L137/L126 Isles-Scot, Kittler 16-15 (Grp 1) The Gillespie Isles-Scot kits have DYS460 results of the usual 11, but also 7, 10 & 12. One ancestral line with two testees has one kit with DYS460 = 10 and the other is DYS460=7. Not all of the Gillespie kits in this subgroup have been joined to the Hap I project. Do you want all of them? Connie McKenzie - Gillespie DNA Project Volunteer Admin =============================================================== You did not mention the most unusual or rare feature of your Isles-Scot  L126+ haplotype.  DYS640=8 I have never seen before.  Standard value is 11 for this clade. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: BowesSurnames Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] DYS425=Null in FTDNA I2b1 This occurs in one of my Bowes light blue groups, Scotland to Ireland. One has a 0 and the other simply shows an empty spot. Should that be 0 also? Do I need to have FTDNA rerun it? Is this unique or meaningful in any way? http://www.familytreedna.com/public/bowes/default.aspx?section=yresults Thanks in advance, Martha Bowes

This occurs in one of my Bowes light blue groups, Scotland to Ireland. One has a 0 and the other simply shows an empty spot. Should that be 0 also? Do I need to have FTDNA rerun it? Is this unique or meaningful in any way? http://www.familytreedna.com/public/bowes/default.aspx?section=yresults Thanks in advance, Martha Bowes

Geno2 has no Z61 on it, and Z62 is broken and reads the same TT for everyone regardless if upstream or downstream. Regarding the other snps you mention, you are normal and showing same values as other I1 people: L244=DD, L380=AA, L705=TT, L706=AA, PF1248=TT Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB McCrummen Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion Since my original posting, I have found 9 of my SNPs not converted (ie not posted) in the FTDNA conversion process. All nine SNPs are derived, at least based on specific information found for each in the ISOGG (Krahn) browser. The nine SNPs are: L244, L380, L705, L706, L707, PF1248, Z61, Z62. Earlier this month I sent an email to Rebekah Canada at FTDNA; her response was that FTDNA is in process of updating the conversion process. However, due to an employee on holiday, no additional information was available at the time of her response. So, perhaps in the next few days we will get further info on the update. JB McCrummen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][email protected]> Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 6:56 pm To: <[2][email protected]> Main problem with FTDNA readings of Geno2 results is that no calls get lost in the negatives; only "positives" are reported and sometimes what is positive is in error. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB McCrummen Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:19 AM To: [4][email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion Ken- Is your explanation below, then, the reason that the GENO 2.0 derived reading on L380 is not reported by FTDNA in their conversion process? If not, have you found other GENO 2.0 readings not reported in the FTDNA conversion? JB McCrummen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][5][email protected]> Date: Fri, January 03, 2014 3:33 pm To: <[2][6][email protected]> I'm afraid everyone is AA for L380. Whether that is technically ancestral or derived is of secondary importance it seems; it could have mutated somewhere upstream in the tree rendering IJK as well as R haplogroups as derived AA. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3][7]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB MCCRUMMEN Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 12:53 PM To: YDNA I_ROOTSWEB LIST Subject: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion In previous post, Diana mentioned a missing derived GENO 2.0 result (L380+) in the Project I conversion by FTDNA. I checked the FTDNA GENO 2.0 conversion for my results and L380+ is also missing in the FTDNA conversion table. My GENO 2.0 L380 reading is derived ( AA and ISOGG/Krahn Browser confirms this is derived). Two Questions: 1- Are there other GENO 2.0 participants whose readings (L380 and other SNPs) missing and/or not accurately converted? 2- Are there other GENO 2.0 SNP readings missing and/or not accurately converted? JB MCCRUMMEN FTDNA KIT: 75432 --------------- Previous posting from Diana: From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <[4][8][email protected]> Subject: [yDNAhgI] Rasey I2 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:04:28 -0500 Well, duhhh. I could just go look at the ISOGG tree, so I did. Given that he's Z78-, it does surprise me that he's also CTS6433-. But I guess what does surprise me is that his L380+ is still not on the page, even at the bottom as a private SNP. My first impulse is to order CTS1977 and L1290, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't just pop for the BigY, instead of this drip, drip, drip ordering of a la carte SNPs. Diana ----------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5][9][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. [10]mailto:[email protected] 2. [11]mailto:[email protected] 3. [12]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/ 4. [13]mailto:[email protected] 5. 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Since my original posting, I have found 9 of my SNPs not converted (ie not posted) in the FTDNA conversion process. All nine SNPs are derived, at least based on specific information found for each in the ISOGG (Krahn) browser. The nine SNPs are: L244, L380, L705, L706, L707, PF1248, Z61, Z62. Earlier this month I sent an email to Rebekah Canada at FTDNA; her response was that FTDNA is in process of updating the conversion process. However, due to an employee on holiday, no additional information was available at the time of her response. So, perhaps in the next few days we will get further info on the update. JB McCrummen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][email protected]> Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 6:56 pm To: <[2][email protected]> Main problem with FTDNA readings of Geno2 results is that no calls get lost in the negatives; only "positives" are reported and sometimes what is positive is in error. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB McCrummen Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:19 AM To: [4][email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion Ken- Is your explanation below, then, the reason that the GENO 2.0 derived reading on L380 is not reported by FTDNA in their conversion process? If not, have you found other GENO 2.0 readings not reported in the FTDNA conversion? JB McCrummen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <[1][5][email protected]> Date: Fri, January 03, 2014 3:33 pm To: <[2][6][email protected]> I'm afraid everyone is AA for L380. Whether that is technically ancestral or derived is of secondary importance it seems; it could have mutated somewhere upstream in the tree rendering IJK as well as R haplogroups as derived AA. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: [3][7]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: JB MCCRUMMEN Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 12:53 PM To: YDNA I_ROOTSWEB LIST Subject: [yDNAhgI] Missing GENO 2.0 Results in FTDNA Conversion In previous post, Diana mentioned a missing derived GENO 2.0 result (L380+) in the Project I conversion by FTDNA. I checked the FTDNA GENO 2.0 conversion for my results and L380+ is also missing in the FTDNA conversion table. My GENO 2.0 L380 reading is derived ( AA and ISOGG/Krahn Browser confirms this is derived). Two Questions: 1- Are there other GENO 2.0 participants whose readings (L380 and other SNPs) missing and/or not accurately converted? 2- Are there other GENO 2.0 SNP readings missing and/or not accurately converted? JB MCCRUMMEN FTDNA KIT: 75432 --------------- Previous posting from Diana: From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <[4][8][email protected]> Subject: [yDNAhgI] Rasey I2 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:04:28 -0500 Well, duhhh. I could just go look at the ISOGG tree, so I did. Given that he's Z78-, it does surprise me that he's also CTS6433-. But I guess what does surprise me is that his L380+ is still not on the page, even at the bottom as a private SNP. My first impulse is to order CTS1977 and L1290, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't just pop for the BigY, instead of this drip, drip, drip ordering of a la carte SNPs. Diana ----------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5][9][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. [10]mailto:[email protected] 2. [11]mailto:[email protected] 3. [12]http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/ 4. [13]mailto:[email protected] 5. [14]mailto:[email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [15][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/ 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. mailto:[email protected] 6. mailto:[email protected] 7. http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/ 8. mailto:[email protected] 9. mailto:[email protected] 10. mailto:[email protected] 11. mailto:[email protected] 12. http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/ 13. mailto:[email protected] 14. mailto:[email protected] 15. mailto:[email protected]