Ken, I sent you the list that I extracted from my Full Genomes results. I can send you a list of additional M423 phyloequivalents, including indels, if you are interested. John O'Grady > > John, I am confused as to how I got a file of snps (I believe they are from > your full genome) which were alleged to be phyloequivalent to > M423/L161/L178. Did you send it, or did I try to make it from having your > full genome? > > The problem I have with me making that list is I don't know which upstream > or downstream full genomes there are to compare you with so as to isolate > the M423 phyloequivalents? > > Anyway, I sent it to the 8000 year old bone people, and they were able to > read and returned status for many of your snps. For Motala3 man some were > derived, some ancestral. Same for Lorschbour man. Motala 2 and Motala 9 > men were ancestral for all of your snps on "your" list, but I had suspected > both these guys were from elsewhere in haplogroup I already. They are still > not pinned down, but I think we can learn more about those two as well. > > Kenneth Nordtvedt

Looking at some of what has been written about C6 (C-V20) on the Internet, some people have said that the C subclade closest to it is Japanese C1 (C-M8). That's amazing that these two would be so very far apart. Matthew > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:44:19 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > Here's the link to the actual *Nature *article: > http://www.nbcnews.com/science/dark-skin-blue-eyes-genes-paint-picture-7-000-year-2D11996418 > > T.J. White > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Matthew Simonds <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Here's an interesting quote from an article in the Guardian: > > "The Spanish team went on to compare the genome of the hunter-gatherer to > > those of modern Europeans from different regions to see how they might be > > related. They found that the ancient DNA most closely matched the genetic > > makeup of people living in northern Europe, in particular Sweden and > > Finland." > > > > http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/26/swarthy-blue-eyed-caveman-dna-tooth > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:37:25 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > > > > > > > > Finding haplogroup C or it's subclades of C5 or C6 in Spain 7000 years > > ago does seem odd. According to Wikipedia, "This was probably at least > > 60,000 years before present. Although Haplogroup C-M130 attains its highest > > frequencies among the indigenous populations of Mongolia, the Russian Far > > East, Plynesia, Australia, and at moderate frequency in the Korean > > Peninsula and among the Manchus, it displays high diversity among modern > > populations of India...Haplogroup C5 has been detected with low frequency > > in samples from India, Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Arabia, and northern > > China. > > > However, it says about C6 (C-V20) : "Found with low frequency in > > Europeans." > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:06:40 -0700 > > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > > > > > > > Is not the "heartland" of haplogroup C in the far east? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Peterson, Phillip R. > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:50 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > > > > > > > The preprint is available at > > > > > > http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12960.html - > > > > from the supplemental material, La Braña 1 appears to belong to > > haplogroup > > > > C6, though based on a single SNP, as he was ancestral for the other > > > > C6-equivalent SNPs. They didn't get a read on the SNP that defines C5 > > as > > > > well. So he could be C6, maybe C5, and maybe C(xC6). > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > "All forces have been steadily employ’d to complete and delight me. ..." > > Walt Whitman, "Leaves of Grass," 14, line 1165 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's an interesting quote from an article in the Guardian: "The Spanish team went on to compare the genome of the hunter-gatherer to those of modern Europeans from different regions to see how they might be related. They found that the ancient DNA most closely matched the genetic makeup of people living in northern Europe, in particular Sweden and Finland." http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/26/swarthy-blue-eyed-caveman-dna-tooth > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:37:25 +0000 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > > Finding haplogroup C or it's subclades of C5 or C6 in Spain 7000 years ago does seem odd. According to Wikipedia, "This was probably at least 60,000 years before present. Although Haplogroup C-M130 attains its highest frequencies among the indigenous populations of Mongolia, the Russian Far East, Plynesia, Australia, and at moderate frequency in the Korean Peninsula and among the Manchus, it displays high diversity among modern populations of India...Haplogroup C5 has been detected with low frequency in samples from India, Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Arabia, and northern China. > However, it says about C6 (C-V20) : "Found with low frequency in Europeans." > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:06:40 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > > > Is not the "heartland" of haplogroup C in the far east? > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peterson, Phillip R. > > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:50 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > > > The preprint is available at > > http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12960.html - > > from the supplemental material, La Braña 1 appears to belong to haplogroup > > C6, though based on a single SNP, as he was ancestral for the other > > C6-equivalent SNPs. They didn't get a read on the SNP that defines C5 as > > well. So he could be C6, maybe C5, and maybe C(xC6). > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, but C6-V20 is an European clade. Bernard Le 26/01/2014 21:06, Kenneth Nordtvedt a écrit : > Is not the "heartland" of haplogroup C in the far east? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peterson, Phillip R. > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:50 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > The preprint is available at > http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12960.html - > from the supplemental material, La Braña 1 appears to belong to haplogroup > C6, though based on a single SNP, as he was ancestral for the other > C6-equivalent SNPs. They didn't get a read on the SNP that defines C5 as > well. So he could be C6, maybe C5, and maybe C(xC6). > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Sorry! THIS is the actual link to the article: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12960.html T.J. White On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:44 PM, T.J. White <[email protected]> wrote: > Here's the link to the actual *Nature *article: > http://www.nbcnews.com/science/dark-skin-blue-eyes-genes-paint-picture-7-000-year-2D11996418 > > T.J. White > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Matthew Simonds <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> Here's an interesting quote from an article in the Guardian: >> "The Spanish team went on to compare the genome of the hunter-gatherer to >> those of modern Europeans from different regions to see how they might be >> related. They found that the ancient DNA most closely matched the genetic >> makeup of people living in northern Europe, in particular Sweden and >> Finland." >> >> http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/26/swarthy-blue-eyed-caveman-dna-tooth >> >> >> >> > From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected] >> > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:37:25 +0000 >> > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones >> > >> > >> > Finding haplogroup C or it's subclades of C5 or C6 in Spain 7000 years >> ago does seem odd. According to Wikipedia, "This was probably at least >> 60,000 years before present. Although Haplogroup C-M130 attains its highest >> frequencies among the indigenous populations of Mongolia, the Russian Far >> East, Plynesia, Australia, and at moderate frequency in the Korean >> Peninsula and among the Manchus, it displays high diversity among modern >> populations of India...Haplogroup C5 has been detected with low frequency >> in samples from India, Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Arabia, and northern >> China. >> > However, it says about C6 (C-V20) : "Found with low frequency in >> Europeans." >> > >> > >> > > From: [email protected] >> > > To: [email protected] >> > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:06:40 -0700 >> > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones >> > > >> > > Is not the "heartland" of haplogroup C in the far east? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Kenneth Nordtvedt >> > > >> > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: >> > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Peterson, Phillip R. >> > > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:50 PM >> > > To: [email protected] >> > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones >> > > >> > > The preprint is available at >> > > >> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12960.html- >> > > from the supplemental material, La Braña 1 appears to belong to >> haplogroup >> > > C6, though based on a single SNP, as he was ancestral for the other >> > > C6-equivalent SNPs. They didn't get a read on the SNP that defines >> C5 as >> > > well. So he could be C6, maybe C5, and maybe C(xC6). >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > "All forces have been steadily employ’d to complete and delight me. ..." > > Walt Whitman, "Leaves of Grass," 14, line 1165 > -- "All forces have been steadily employ’d to complete and delight me. ..." Walt Whitman, "Leaves of Grass," 14, line 1165

Here's the link to the actual *Nature *article: http://www.nbcnews.com/science/dark-skin-blue-eyes-genes-paint-picture-7-000-year-2D11996418 T.J. White On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Matthew Simonds <[email protected]>wrote: > > Here's an interesting quote from an article in the Guardian: > "The Spanish team went on to compare the genome of the hunter-gatherer to > those of modern Europeans from different regions to see how they might be > related. They found that the ancient DNA most closely matched the genetic > makeup of people living in northern Europe, in particular Sweden and > Finland." > > http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/26/swarthy-blue-eyed-caveman-dna-tooth > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:37:25 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > > > > > Finding haplogroup C or it's subclades of C5 or C6 in Spain 7000 years > ago does seem odd. According to Wikipedia, "This was probably at least > 60,000 years before present. Although Haplogroup C-M130 attains its highest > frequencies among the indigenous populations of Mongolia, the Russian Far > East, Plynesia, Australia, and at moderate frequency in the Korean > Peninsula and among the Manchus, it displays high diversity among modern > populations of India...Haplogroup C5 has been detected with low frequency > in samples from India, Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Arabia, and northern > China. > > However, it says about C6 (C-V20) : "Found with low frequency in > Europeans." > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:06:40 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > > > > > Is not the "heartland" of haplogroup C in the far east? > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Peterson, Phillip R. > > > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:50 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > > > > > The preprint is available at > > > > http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12960.html - > > > from the supplemental material, La Braña 1 appears to belong to > haplogroup > > > C6, though based on a single SNP, as he was ancestral for the other > > > C6-equivalent SNPs. They didn't get a read on the SNP that defines C5 > as > > > well. So he could be C6, maybe C5, and maybe C(xC6). > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "All forces have been steadily employ’d to complete and delight me. ..." Walt Whitman, "Leaves of Grass," 14, line 1165

Finding haplogroup C or it's subclades of C5 or C6 in Spain 7000 years ago does seem odd. According to Wikipedia, "This was probably at least 60,000 years before present. Although Haplogroup C-M130 attains its highest frequencies among the indigenous populations of Mongolia, the Russian Far East, Plynesia, Australia, and at moderate frequency in the Korean Peninsula and among the Manchus, it displays high diversity among modern populations of India...Haplogroup C5 has been detected with low frequency in samples from India, Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Arabia, and northern China. However, it says about C6 (C-V20) : "Found with low frequency in Europeans." > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:06:40 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > Is not the "heartland" of haplogroup C in the far east? > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peterson, Phillip R. > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:50 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones > > The preprint is available at > http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12960.html - > from the supplemental material, La Braña 1 appears to belong to haplogroup > C6, though based on a single SNP, as he was ancestral for the other > C6-equivalent SNPs. They didn't get a read on the SNP that defines C5 as > well. So he could be C6, maybe C5, and maybe C(xC6). > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My understanding is that C is found at low frequencies across Eurasia (and among indigenous Americans) and that C6 (C-V20) is more European.

The preprint is available at http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12960.html - from the supplemental material, La Braña 1 appears to belong to haplogroup C6, though based on a single SNP, as he was ancestral for the other C6-equivalent SNPs. They didn't get a read on the SNP that defines C5 as well. So he could be C6, maybe C5, and maybe C(xC6).

Is not the "heartland" of haplogroup C in the far east? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Peterson, Phillip R. Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] 7000 year old La Brana bones The preprint is available at http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12960.html - from the supplemental material, La Braña 1 appears to belong to haplogroup C6, though based on a single SNP, as he was ancestral for the other C6-equivalent SNPs. They didn't get a read on the SNP that defines C5 as well. So he could be C6, maybe C5, and maybe C(xC6). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have information on any y dna haplogroup determination for La Brana 1 and La Brana 2 bones which were found in Spain and dated at 7000 years b.p.? Or maybe they were female with no ydna? 8000 years b.p. bones of males found in more northerly Europe had their reconstructed genome compared with the I Tree and found to represent a new (now probably extinct) branch of the tree just a ways ancestral to L161 Isles and L147 Dinaric branches of the I Tree. See “Tree and Map for haplogroup I”. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

I think there is a type found in South West Asia. Apparently it pops up in a couple Scottish surnames like Elliot and Armstrong, Roman mercenaries have been mentioned as a source.

It sure would be great to get a Chromo2 raw data for someone from Z63+ branch of I1. There is a new snp, S2007, which is derived for Z58+ branch of I1 but not for the CTS6364+ branch (S2007 is presently phyloequivalent to Z58). Status of S2007 for Z63+ would allow us to learn order of some key I1 tree nodes of 4000 years ago. See "Tree for I1 x Z58 x L22". If you are Z63+ and have Chromo2 results but don't wish to share raw data file, nevertheless please just read your S2007 result and let us know that. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: John Ritchings Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 2:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] Serbian I1 Macura Clan, Z63? > Greetings Simo Your observation that "Z63 is much more represented in parts of Britain settled with Angles" directly corresponds with my research around my family which I have traced to the Gloucestershire/Wiltshire borders in England along the Thames which was the border between the ancient kingdoms of Mercia and Wessex. Whilst there is an outside chance of Viking ancestry in that area, an Angle or Saxon origin is much more likely given its history. Given that the family was more concentrated to the north of the Thames, we were tending towards the Angles as our ancestors, so thank you for your information which reinforces our suspicions. Regards John > From: simo <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Serbian I1 Macura Clan, Z63? > Date: 13 January 2014 12:31:25 GMT > To: [email protected] > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > I would like just to inform you that we have done SNP tests , both Z63 and > Z58, on Macura haplotype and it appears that Macura's are Z63+. It helps > me > a lot to understand its possible migration to Balkan, but it doesn't solve > its connection with the Goths. > > Observing all clades of Z63: in Britain, Spain and continental Europe, I > came to conclusion that Z63 cannot be connected with Goths but with some > other continental Europe germanic people. There two candidates, equally > interesting: Suebi or Suevi and Vandals. > Angli were mentioned as part of Suevic tribal union, and it seems to me > that Z63 is much more represented in parts of Britain settled with Angles. > It is also represented in central and northern Germany where Suevic tribes > lived. Even the part od Sweden known as Svealand (area around Stockholm) > have Z63 haplotypes in contrast with southern Sweden which is Z63 empty > (region from where supposedly Goths came from). Some scientist connects > these Svealand region and tribe of Suiones with Suevi. Also Z63 could be > found around region of Braga in northern Portugal and Spanish Galicia, > where for long period existed Suevic kingdom. > > Z63 is also very common in region of central Poland where people of > Vandals > once lived. It is also region of Przeworsk archeological culture > associated > with Vandals. Vandals according to some historians came from nowadays > Sweden from the area of Vendel, and it is the same region as Svealand > around Stockholm and also the only region in Sweden with higher Z63. > Vandals migrated together with Suevi to Spain, one of Vandals tribes > Hasdingi were incorporated in Suevic kingdom. > > So, as we see, Z63 coincide very well both with the Vandali and Suevi, but > it very little coincide with Goths. It is not presented in significant > numbers in some regions settled with Goths: sothern Ukraine, Italy, > southern France, Gotland in Sweden. Also it is presented in Britain where > goths never lived. Probably some Goths absorbed groups of Vandals on their > way from northern to Southern europe. Maybe that's how we can explain some > "crimean Goths" Z63 haplotypes found in southern Russia. > > Balkan Z63 could be very easily descended from some slavicized germanic > tribes of central Europe which together with Slavs in 7th century AD > settled on Balkan peninsula. For example Vandali Silingi became Slavic > Silesians, there is a lot of such examples. > > Simo > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wish more I-M223 people would come forward so we have more comparisons with the three you already have (a Roots2a, Isles Sc. and Cont2a). I feel that most that tested Chromo2 are in the UK and Eire and do not know about our mailing lists. It would be good if ScotlandsDNA etc, provided links to such lists as part of a resources package to customers or resources page on their website. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > Raw data files for Hg I Chromo2 people ---- where are you hiding? > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Teddi, I remember you of course. I think it's great what you are doing, and I think you could best spend your dollars on your travel expenses and testing new people, not doing more tests on these Arces. Personally I would love to see one of the I-P37.2 Arces with 111 markers, and I also think a Geno 2.0 test would be useful. But probably better to get more people to do initial testing. Please get in touch before you are heading to the area because we may have learned more by then and my recommendations might change. bernie On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Teddi Montes <[email protected]> wrote: > I am the person doing the Arce genealogy research in Baja California > and want to ask if I should get any further testing done for Francisco > Arce? I believe I did the 67 and that was it as far as Y. These > boys (3) are I-P37.2. > > I have just returned from 6+ weeks on a muletrip collecting DNA in > Mexico and will be returning to finish off another 350 miles in a few > weeks, I will not be in the mountain range he lives in until the fall. > > Teddi Montes > The Californio DNA Project > > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Bernie Cullen wrote: > > > I have drawn up a new tree of the main branches of I-P37.2: > > http://i2aproject.blogspot.com/2014/01/top-level-snps-in-i-p372.html > > > > There is no new information on the tree, but maybe I haven't > > presented it > > all in one place before. > > > > Let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions. > > > > Bernie > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ---I read every email but I'm not always able to respond immediately. If you think you've been waiting too long for a reply, please, email me again at [email protected]

The Arce family of Baja California was from there in the 1720s... Teddi On Jan 24, 2014, at 12:59 PM, wendy quinlan wrote: > Bernie, > Do you have I2a's in Jalisco Mexico? Any with the surname Medel? > > Wendy > Glover Surname Project > > > > On Friday, January 24, 2014 12:40 PM, Bernie Cullen <[email protected] > > wrote: > > Hi Teddi, > > I remember you of course. I think it's great what you are doing, and I > think you could best spend your dollars on your travel expenses and > testing new people, not doing more tests on these Arces. > > Personally I would love to see one of the I-P37.2 Arces with 111 > markers, > and I also think a Geno 2.0 test would be useful. But probably > better to > get more people to do initial testing. > > Please get in touch before you are heading to the area because we > may have > learned more by then and my recommendations might change. > > bernie > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Teddi Montes <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I am the person doing the Arce genealogy research in Baja California >> and want to ask if I should get any further testing done for >> Francisco >> Arce? I believe I did the 67 and that was it as far as Y. These >> boys (3) are I-P37.2. >> >> I have just returned from 6+ weeks on a muletrip collecting DNA in >> Mexico and will be returning to finish off another 350 miles in a few >> weeks, I will not be in the mountain range he lives in until the >> fall. >> >> Teddi Montes >> The Californio DNA Project >> >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Bernie Cullen wrote: >> >>> I have drawn up a new tree of the main branches of I-P37.2: >>> http://i2aproject.blogspot.com/2014/01/top-level-snps-in-i-p372.html >>> >>> There is no new information on the tree, but maybe I haven't >>> presented it >>> all in one place before. >>> >>> Let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions. >>> >>> Bernie >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > ---I read every email but I'm not always able to respond > immediately. If > you think you've been waiting too long for a reply, please, email me > again > at [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Bernie, Do you have I2a's in Jalisco Mexico? Any with the surname Medel?   Wendy Glover Surname Project On Friday, January 24, 2014 12:40 PM, Bernie Cullen <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Teddi, I remember you of course. I think it's great what you are doing, and I think you could best spend your dollars on your travel expenses and testing new people, not doing more tests on these Arces. Personally I would love to see one of the I-P37.2 Arces with 111 markers, and I also think a Geno 2.0 test would be useful. But probably better to get more people to do initial testing. Please get in touch before you are heading to the area because we may have learned more by then and my recommendations might change. bernie On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Teddi Montes <[email protected]> wrote: > I am the person doing the Arce genealogy research in Baja California > and want to ask if I should get any further testing done for Francisco > Arce?  I believe I did the 67 and that was it as far as Y.  These > boys (3) are I-P37.2. > > I have just returned from 6+ weeks on a muletrip collecting DNA in > Mexico and will be returning to finish off another 350 miles in a few > weeks, I will not be in the mountain range he lives in until the fall. > > Teddi Montes > The Californio DNA Project > > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Bernie Cullen wrote: > > > I have drawn up a new tree of the main branches of I-P37.2: > > http://i2aproject.blogspot.com/2014/01/top-level-snps-in-i-p372.html > > > > There is no new information on the tree, but maybe I haven't > > presented it > > all in one place before. > > > > Let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions. > > > > Bernie > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > >  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ---I read every email but I'm not always able to respond immediately. If you think you've been waiting too long for a reply, please, email me again at [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree. L69+ appears in at least three different places in the Hg I1 tree: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/matrices/HgI1/HgI1_haplotree.html#tree Who knows where else it will pop up if more people test it? Diana > From: Elizabeth Britton > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:50 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Position of M227 in the Tree > > > Hi, Phil, > > Thank you for this information. I didn't know that L69 had been removed from > trees at FTDNA and ISOGG but consider that decision a mistake since it has > already proven its worth in sorting subgroups on the CTS6364 branch and > probably has equal potential at other points in the tree where it occurs. > > Lindsey >

Hi Gene, I don't understand what this is all about could you please clarify your message. Thanks. Patrick Holland.what you are On 1/23/2014 9:28 PM, Gene Prescott wrote: > Kit NumberNameProductsLab ProcedureBatchExpected > DateNote160188<http://my.familytreedna.com/?ekit=t6i89jMLuPg%3d>Mr. > Carlton Eugene ( Gene) PrescottL1439L14395523/13/2014 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Raw data files for Hg I Chromo2 people ---- where are you hiding? Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net