I'm glad things are being checked to the degree that can be done. S5025 snp is downstream of the triplet of snps which includes CTS1977, so if you look again at "Chromo2M223" you will see the correction. thanks for the vigilance. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 3:08 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees Kenneth, It has been pointed out by a I-M223 member that sample number 269 appears twice in the Chromo2M223 tree. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good work, John. The Full Genomes results for my I1-Z138 sample show 17 reads of "deletion" vs 248 reads of G at 17997206. I see that there are 9 consecutive G's in this region, so it seems that one would be hard-pressed to know which one had been deleted. Such long strings of G are often difficult to sequence or read, so my small number of "deletion" reads may just reflect that, but if most of the reads show "deletion" it is probably real. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 2:59 PM, John O'Grady <[email protected]>wrote: > I figured it out by looking at my Full Genomes results. PF7359 is located > at 17,997,207. All M423 have a deletion at 17,997,206. > > John O'Grady > > ---------------------------------------- > > My tree show PF7359 as no call for ALL L161 and L621 samples and G for > > everyone else throughout haplogroup I. So there is some mutation > > phyloequivalent to M423 happening near PF7359 site which consistently > > renders a no call only for people downstream. I did not find it is C for > > anyone. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt >

The M223 tree makes more sense now with those two samples added and CTS616 and Z161 placed on the tree. Thanks for all the work you have done with the Chromo2 results. Now if only we knew what placement these S series SNPs were on the Y chromosome. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > And I had missed sample 184. He appears to be CTS616- and of that YCA > 17/19 > clade. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne R. Roberts > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 6:59 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > Kenneth, > > For M223, it appears all the samples (thus branches) are downstream of > CTS616, CTS9183. Is that correct? > > Also of those downstream of CTS10057, CTS10100, all samples (branches) are > Z161 and all of those are L801. Correct? > > So the implications are: no M223* samples upstream of CTS616, no L1228* > samples, no L701*/L702* samples, no L623* samples and no Z161* samples > upstream of L801/Z183. Also there are no M284 samples that are L1195-. > > I am unclear of the placement of sample 189. It appears to be parallel to > the Z2054-Z2102 branch. I assume 189 is not a Roots 911 person as he would > still be positive for some or all of Z2055 to Z2102 and negative for Z2054. > Therefore 189 is a unique new branch and there are no samples that are > L1229 and Z2054-. > > Wayne > > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I > raw > > data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. > > > > They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names "Chromo2......" > > with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. > > > > Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those > in > > that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right > now. > > I'll get that corrected shortly. > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The tribulations of working with independent agents! Yes, there are lots of "what ifs.....". Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Simonds Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 1:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > Now if only we knew what placement these S series SNPs were on the Y > chromosome. > If we don't know where they are, how will we know that they are the same when some other testing company like Family Tree DNA "discovers" them again? > Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 15:18:01 +1000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > The M223 tree makes more sense now with those two samples added and CTS616 > and Z161 placed on the tree. > > Thanks for all the work you have done with the Chromo2 results. > > Now if only we knew what placement these S series SNPs were on the Y > chromosome. > > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > And I had missed sample 184. He appears to be CTS616- and of that YCA > > 17/19 > > clade. > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wayne R. Roberts > > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 6:59 PM > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > > > Kenneth, > > > > For M223, it appears all the samples (thus branches) are downstream of > > CTS616, CTS9183. Is that correct? > > > > Also of those downstream of CTS10057, CTS10100, all samples (branches) > > are > > Z161 and all of those are L801. Correct? > > > > So the implications are: no M223* samples upstream of CTS616, no L1228* > > samples, no L701*/L702* samples, no L623* samples and no Z161* samples > > upstream of L801/Z183. Also there are no M284 samples that are L1195-. > > > > I am unclear of the placement of sample 189. It appears to be parallel > > to > > the Z2054-Z2102 branch. I assume 189 is not a Roots 911 person as he > > would > > still be positive for some or all of Z2055 to Z2102 and negative for > > Z2054. > > Therefore 189 is a unique new branch and there are no samples that are > > L1229 and Z2054-. > > > > Wayne > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I > > raw > > > data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. > > > > > > They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names > > > "Chromo2......" > > > with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. > > > > > > Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only > > > those > > in > > > that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right > > now. > > > I'll get that corrected shortly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are five M26+ people on Ken's P37.2 Chromo2 tree (I said three in my last message). Of course, it looks like Chromo2 didn't test M26 but I am calling these people M26+ for convenience. I looked at the SNPs shared by all five, and some of them had already been included in the Geno 2.0 chip so their position is known: equivalent to M26: CTS1272 CTS5932 CTS6027 PF3875 PF3975 PF4061 PF4075 equivalent to L672: CTS1448 CTS8968 CTS10546 PF3984 None of the Chromo2 SNPs are known to be equivalent to L160 as far as we know. So maybe all five anonymous results are L160+ or all five are L160- or some are L160+ and others L160-. CTS2515 was a no call in all five anonymous Chromo2 M26+ results, and at Geno 2.0 it is a frequent no call in M26+ people, both L672+ L160+ and L672+ L160- and even L672- people, but other people in these groups have the normal A allele. And in all other P37.2 results from Geno 2.0 I only see the A. I know Ken's Chromo2 tree also shows a nocall for L621+, but all L621+ and all L161+ results from Geno 2.0 have the A. Bernie

This is great! So much information here. It looks like you have anonymous results for one I-CTS5966 Dinaric person one l-L621, and likely Disles person eleven I-L161 Isles people two I-L233 Western people one I-L1294 France person!!! three I-M26 people the only main branch of P37.2 that is missing is the very rare L880 "Northern France" group. Maybe we can organize a Chromo2 test for one of them. The first thing I notice is that you have the I-L233 samples listed as PF3983. Everyone in I-L233 who tested at Geno 2.0 has a no call at this SNP, and one I-L233 person tested it at FTDNA but they have not been able to determine his result. So I'm surprised that Chromo2 was able to get a reading. The next thing I notice is that now we know that the I-L1286 (which includes L233) is sister to I-L1294, both being S21825+. And finally, judging by the number of SNPs involved, the main branches of P37.2 diverged very rapidly from each other: there are dozens of SNPs equivalent to M423, M26 and (L1286 or L233), but only three SNPs to group these branches together (CTS595/PF3983 and S21825). I will take a closer look soon. Bernie

My tree show PF7359 as no call for ALL L161 and L621 samples and G for everyone else throughout haplogroup I. So there is some mutation phyloequivalent to M423 happening near PF7359 site which consistently renders a no call only for people downstream. I did not find it is C for anyone. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: John O'Grady Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 12:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees Ken, I compared your P37 tree with my Full Genomes results. I am negative for all the PF and CTS SNPs on the 283 branch. I am negative for all the CTS SNPs that are equivalent to L621. For the M423 equivalents, I am positive for CTS2753. However, Full Genomes says that I am PF7359=G-. Since PF7359 is G to C, perhaps Chromo2 is reading the negative strand. John O'Grady ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I figured it out by looking at my Full Genomes results. PF7359 is located at 17,997,207. All M423 have a deletion at 17,997,206. John O'Grady ---------------------------------------- > My tree show PF7359 as no call for ALL L161 and L621 samples and G for > everyone else throughout haplogroup I. So there is some mutation > phyloequivalent to M423 happening near PF7359 site which consistently > renders a no call only for people downstream. I did not find it is C for > anyone. > > Kenneth Nordtvedt

I have seen quite a lot of reading of different strands in Chromo2. So I am not shocked about PF7359, but I'll check it out across the board of all samples. As I often point out in messages, I most of the time pay no attention to what anyone is calling "derived" or "ancestral", but rather check a snp result against that snp on a broad spectrum of other people from different places in the tree. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: John O'Grady Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 12:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees Ken, I compared your P37 tree with my Full Genomes results. I am negative for all the PF and CTS SNPs on the 283 branch. I am negative for all the CTS SNPs that are equivalent to L621. For the M423 equivalents, I am positive for CTS2753. However, Full Genomes says that I am PF7359=G-. Since PF7359 is G to C, perhaps Chromo2 is reading the negative strand. John O'Grady ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I didn't know the significance of your "nc" notation. Full Genomes has 98 reads for me at PF7359, so I think my G- is reliable. For the no-call at CTS2515, Full Genomes shows me as A-. John O'Grady > > My tree show PF7359 as no call for ALL L161 and L621 samples and G for > everyone else throughout haplogroup I. So there is some mutation > phyloequivalent to M423 happening near PF7359 site which consistently > renders a no call only for people downstream. I did not find it is C for > anyone. > > Kenneth Nordtvedt

The folks putting together the Chromo2 chip did not forget the major section of haplogroup I, L38/39/40. I just did it last. If you go to my Chromo2F597 or Chromo2L597, you will see I just added the L38/39/40 sector. Chromo2 chip does a fantastic job of dividing L38/39/40 into multiple branches. Too bad we don’t know haplotypes or names or chromosome positions for the S series snps? All in all, Chromo2 chip was put together by folks who were very kind to haplogroup I. I think this is because haplogroup I is well present in the British Isles. In constructing the L38/39/40 tree I have one snp, S2523, which seems to present quite contradictory results. So I am asking Britains DNA to check that snp. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

Kenneth, For M223, it appears all the samples (thus branches) are downstream of CTS616, CTS9183. Is that correct? Also of those downstream of CTS10057, CTS10100, all samples (branches) are Z161 and all of those are L801. Correct? So the implications are: no M223* samples upstream of CTS616, no L1228* samples, no L701*/L702* samples, no L623* samples and no Z161* samples upstream of L801/Z183. Also there are no M284 samples that are L1195-. I am unclear of the placement of sample 189. It appears to be parallel to the Z2054-Z2102 branch. I assume 189 is not a Roots 911 person as he would still be positive for some or all of Z2055 to Z2102 and negative for Z2054. Therefore 189 is a unique new branch and there are no samples that are L1229 and Z2054-. Wayne On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I raw > data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. > > They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names "Chromo2......" > with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. > > Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those in > that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right now. > I'll get that corrected shortly. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, I compared your P37 tree with my Full Genomes results. I am negative for all the PF and CTS SNPs on the 283 branch. I am negative for all the CTS SNPs that are equivalent to L621. For the M423 equivalents, I am positive for CTS2753. However, Full Genomes says that I am PF7359=G-. Since PF7359 is G to C, perhaps Chromo2 is reading the negative strand. John O'Grady

Z2541 is not included in the Chromo2 chip. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Francois Marquis Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees Hello Ken, Where is your Chromo2 result in the Z58 powerpoint slide? Is Z2541 included in Chromo2? Best regards, Francois Marquis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: dimanche 2 février 2014 01:06 To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I raw data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names “Chromo2......” with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those in that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right now. I’ll get that corrected shortly. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Probably they did a full genome on the fellow. And the root node connection of the line is far far ago. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 2:30 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees Wow, that is a lot of S series SNPs associated with the L1228 sample. Great work. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > One of those M223 dna samples from Chromo2 is indeed L1228+ See latest > update of "Chromo2M223" > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne R. Roberts > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:18 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > The M223 tree makes more sense now with those two samples added and CTS616 > and Z161 placed on the tree. > > Thanks for all the work you have done with the Chromo2 results. > > Now if only we knew what placement these S series SNPs were on the Y > chromosome. > > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > And I had missed sample 184. He appears to be CTS616- and of that YCA > > 17/19 > > clade. > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wayne R. Roberts > > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 6:59 PM > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > > > Kenneth, > > > > For M223, it appears all the samples (thus branches) are downstream of > > CTS616, CTS9183. Is that correct? > > > > Also of those downstream of CTS10057, CTS10100, all samples (branches) > are > > Z161 and all of those are L801. Correct? > > > > So the implications are: no M223* samples upstream of CTS616, no L1228* > > samples, no L701*/L702* samples, no L623* samples and no Z161* samples > > upstream of L801/Z183. Also there are no M284 samples that are L1195-. > > > > I am unclear of the placement of sample 189. It appears to be parallel > > to > > the Z2054-Z2102 branch. I assume 189 is not a Roots 911 person as he > would > > still be positive for some or all of Z2055 to Z2102 and negative for > > Z2054. > > Therefore 189 is a unique new branch and there are no samples that are > > L1229 and Z2054-. > > > > Wayne > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I > > raw > > > data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. > > > > > > They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names > > > "Chromo2......" > > > with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. > > > > > > Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only > > > those > > in > > > that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right > > now. > > > I'll get that corrected shortly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ken, Where is your Chromo2 result in the Z58 powerpoint slide? Is Z2541 included in Chromo2? Best regards, Francois Marquis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: dimanche 2 février 2014 01:06 To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I raw data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names “Chromo2......” with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those in that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right now. I’ll get that corrected shortly. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One of those M223 dna samples from Chromo2 is indeed L1228+ See latest update of "Chromo2M223" Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:18 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees The M223 tree makes more sense now with those two samples added and CTS616 and Z161 placed on the tree. Thanks for all the work you have done with the Chromo2 results. Now if only we knew what placement these S series SNPs were on the Y chromosome. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > And I had missed sample 184. He appears to be CTS616- and of that YCA > 17/19 > clade. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne R. Roberts > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 6:59 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > Kenneth, > > For M223, it appears all the samples (thus branches) are downstream of > CTS616, CTS9183. Is that correct? > > Also of those downstream of CTS10057, CTS10100, all samples (branches) are > Z161 and all of those are L801. Correct? > > So the implications are: no M223* samples upstream of CTS616, no L1228* > samples, no L701*/L702* samples, no L623* samples and no Z161* samples > upstream of L801/Z183. Also there are no M284 samples that are L1195-. > > I am unclear of the placement of sample 189. It appears to be parallel to > the Z2054-Z2102 branch. I assume 189 is not a Roots 911 person as he would > still be positive for some or all of Z2055 to Z2102 and negative for > Z2054. > Therefore 189 is a unique new branch and there are no samples that are > L1229 and Z2054-. > > Wayne > > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I > raw > > data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. > > > > They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names "Chromo2......" > > with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. > > > > Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those > in > > that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right > now. > > I'll get that corrected shortly. > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm the little k after my ID number 128 Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Francois Marquis Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees Hello Ken, Where is your Chromo2 result in the Z58 powerpoint slide? Is Z2541 included in Chromo2? Best regards, Francois Marquis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: dimanche 2 février 2014 01:06 To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I raw data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names “Chromo2......” with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those in that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right now. I’ll get that corrected shortly. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And I had missed sample 184. He appears to be CTS616- and of that YCA 17/19 clade. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 6:59 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees Kenneth, For M223, it appears all the samples (thus branches) are downstream of CTS616, CTS9183. Is that correct? Also of those downstream of CTS10057, CTS10100, all samples (branches) are Z161 and all of those are L801. Correct? So the implications are: no M223* samples upstream of CTS616, no L1228* samples, no L701*/L702* samples, no L623* samples and no Z161* samples upstream of L801/Z183. Also there are no M284 samples that are L1195-. I am unclear of the placement of sample 189. It appears to be parallel to the Z2054-Z2102 branch. I assume 189 is not a Roots 911 person as he would still be positive for some or all of Z2055 to Z2102 and negative for Z2054. Therefore 189 is a unique new branch and there are no samples that are L1229 and Z2054-. Wayne On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I raw > data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. > > They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names "Chromo2......" > with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. > > Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those in > that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right now. > I'll get that corrected shortly. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sample 190 which I had inadvertently left out is Z161+ and L801- But it does not have the two S series snps that sample 189 does. So we cover two clades in that interval. There are two clades on the tree, so there could be one from each. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Wayne R. Roberts Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 6:59 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees Kenneth, For M223, it appears all the samples (thus branches) are downstream of CTS616, CTS9183. Is that correct? Also of those downstream of CTS10057, CTS10100, all samples (branches) are Z161 and all of those are L801. Correct? So the implications are: no M223* samples upstream of CTS616, no L1228* samples, no L701*/L702* samples, no L623* samples and no Z161* samples upstream of L801/Z183. Also there are no M284 samples that are L1195-. I am unclear of the placement of sample 189. It appears to be parallel to the Z2054-Z2102 branch. I assume 189 is not a Roots 911 person as he would still be positive for some or all of Z2055 to Z2102 and negative for Z2054. Therefore 189 is a unique new branch and there are no samples that are L1229 and Z2054-. Wayne On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I raw > data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. > > They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names "Chromo2......" > with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. > > Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those in > that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right now. > I'll get that corrected shortly. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message