Thx. -------- Original message -------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]> Date:04/02/2014 20:38 (GMT+01:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates You are free to use whatever mutation rates you want. At the time I considered Heinila's set of STR rates established by most comprehensive method and quantity of data. And I looked for a full set of 111 rates. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: nicolas.taban Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 12:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates What is "best" now? And how do you define the "best" mutation rates? Mvh/Regards Nicolas Taban -------- Original message -------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]> Date:04/02/2014 16:23 (GMT+01:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates Heinila's seemed most reliable at the time. Also, for a very long time I used Chandler rates. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Nicolas Taban Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 3:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates Ken, In your Generations111T.xlsx file, there are 2 sets of mutation rates (m(i) and back up). What are the differences?? You state that you use the mutation rates from M Heinila. On Yutlity111, one can choose "FTDNA" or "McDonald" mutation rates. Any idea on what the differences are between all? Why did you choose the one from M. Heinila? Regards, Nicolas. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What is "best" now? And how do you define the "best" mutation rates? Mvh/Regards Nicolas Taban -------- Original message -------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]> Date:04/02/2014 16:23 (GMT+01:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates Heinila's seemed most reliable at the time. Also, for a very long time I used Chandler rates. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Nicolas Taban Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 3:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates Ken, In your Generations111T.xlsx file, there are 2 sets of mutation rates (m(i) and back up). What are the differences?? You state that you use the mutation rates from M Heinila. On Yutlity111, one can choose "FTDNA" or "McDonald" mutation rates. Any idea on what the differences are between all? Why did you choose the one from M. Heinila? Regards, Nicolas. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Unless I missed it, Full Genomes makes no comparison of costs in their paper. Apparently, FGC charges considerable more for their test than FTDNA charges for the Big Y test, something like twice as much! Wil *********************************** Yes, more than twice as much for those who ordered Big-Y during the introductory period. And value isn't determined by coverage alone--FTDNA may provide better tools for interpreting results and an easy-to-use matching system. At least that is what I would expect/hope to see. After I posted the link, Thomas Krahn mentioned another factor which could change the analysis. Lindsey Just for the record, I was not involved in that paper from FGC, but after reading it I have the impression that the analysis was done accurately according to the few information we have about BigY. This may change if FTDNA decides to run the BigY on the MiSeq machine without barcoding. The first results reported at the FTDNA conference were based on MiSeq runs without barcoding (one sample per run). The datasets that were found on a public FTP server were from a HiSeq instrument with barcoding where 9 and 12 samples were run simultaneously. Thomas Lindsey

Hello Lindsey, I did order the Big Y test during the introductory period and having taken the WTY test and guess that I got a bargain! Dr. Krahn's comment is beyond my comprehension, so I'll just have to trust FTDNA to do the right thing. My immediate hope is that they get my results out by mid-February. Wil

The tool Generations can be adjusted by any user to put in his or her choice of rates. But if he or she then go online quoting their results, they should then surely state they put in their own rates. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: nicolas.taban Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 12:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates Thx. -------- Original message -------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]> Date:04/02/2014 20:38 (GMT+01:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates You are free to use whatever mutation rates you want. At the time I considered Heinila's set of STR rates established by most comprehensive method and quantity of data. And I looked for a full set of 111 rates. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: nicolas.taban Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 12:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates What is "best" now? And how do you define the "best" mutation rates? Mvh/Regards Nicolas Taban -------- Original message -------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]> Date:04/02/2014 16:23 (GMT+01:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates Heinila's seemed most reliable at the time. Also, for a very long time I used Chandler rates. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Nicolas Taban Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 3:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates Ken, In your Generations111T.xlsx file, there are 2 sets of mutation rates (m(i) and back up). What are the differences?? You state that you use the mutation rates from M Heinila. On Yutlity111, one can choose "FTDNA" or "McDonald" mutation rates. Any idea on what the differences are between all? Why did you choose the one from M. Heinila? Regards, Nicolas. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are free to use whatever mutation rates you want. At the time I considered Heinila's set of STR rates established by most comprehensive method and quantity of data. And I looked for a full set of 111 rates. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: nicolas.taban Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 12:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates What is "best" now? And how do you define the "best" mutation rates? Mvh/Regards Nicolas Taban -------- Original message -------- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]> Date:04/02/2014 16:23 (GMT+01:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates Heinila's seemed most reliable at the time. Also, for a very long time I used Chandler rates. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Nicolas Taban Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 3:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates Ken, In your Generations111T.xlsx file, there are 2 sets of mutation rates (m(i) and back up). What are the differences?? You state that you use the mutation rates from M Heinila. On Yutlity111, one can choose "FTDNA" or "McDonald" mutation rates. Any idea on what the differences are between all? Why did you choose the one from M. Heinila? Regards, Nicolas. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, In your Generations111T.xlsx file, there are 2 sets of mutation rates (m(i) and back up). What are the differences?? You state that you use the mutation rates from M Heinila. On Yutlity111, one can choose "FTDNA" or "McDonald" mutation rates. Any idea on what the differences are between all? Why did you choose the one from M. Heinila? Regards, Nicolas.

Posted by Greg Magoon on another List. Lindsey ******************** "The paper at http://goo.gl/0TkBwr comes from the Full Genomes company. It was released on their Facebook page on Sunday."

Unless I missed it, Full Genomes makes no comparison of costs in their paper. Apparently, FGC charges considerable more for their test than FTDNA charges for the Big Y test, something like twice as much! Wil -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Britton Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 9:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] Full Genomes vs. Big Y Posted by Greg Magoon on another List. Lindsey ******************** "The paper at http://goo.gl/0TkBwr comes from the Full Genomes company. It was released on their Facebook page on Sunday." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Heinila's seemed most reliable at the time. Also, for a very long time I used Chandler rates. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Nicolas Taban Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 3:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] mutation rates Ken, In your Generations111T.xlsx file, there are 2 sets of mutation rates (m(i) and back up). What are the differences?? You state that you use the mutation rates from M Heinila. On Yutlity111, one can choose "FTDNA" or "McDonald" mutation rates. Any idea on what the differences are between all? Why did you choose the one from M. Heinila? Regards, Nicolas. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I’ve started proof reading my trees for haplogroup I sectors from Chromo2 raw data. I started with my own personal sector, Z138+/Z139+ It is now divided into 13 branches by the Chromo2 snps. See updated “Chromo2Z58”. The Z138 sector tree will be cleaned up; it developed like natural selection operates. I’ve got to figure out a more efficient proof reading method! Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

I have seen a YFULL tree with results for four people in I-CTS5966 Dinaric and there are some SNP differences between the four. Some of the four might have beFGC customers. John O'Grady in I-L161 who posts on this list has a full Y chromosome from FGC (I think), I don't know of anyone else in I-P37.2 who is a public sharer of their full Y data like John O'Grady. There aren't any Big Y (FTDNA) results yet. Bernie On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Didier VERNADE <[email protected]>wrote: > What about other sequencing, like Big Y (FTDNA) or FGC ? > > > > > > > This is great! So much information here. > > > > It looks like you have anonymous results for > > one I-CTS5966 Dinaric person > > one l-L621, and likely Disles person > > eleven I-L161 Isles people > > two I-L233 Western people > > one I-L1294 France person!!! > > three I-M26 people > > > > the only main branch of P37.2 that is missing is the very rare L880 > > "Northern France" group. Maybe we can organize a Chromo2 test for one of > > them. > > > > The first thing I notice is that you have the I-L233 samples listed as > > PF3983. Everyone in I-L233 who tested at Geno 2.0 has a no call at this > > SNP, and one I-L233 person tested it at FTDNA but they have not been able > > to determine his result. So I'm surprised that Chromo2 was able to get a > > reading. > > > > The next thing I notice is that now we know that the I-L1286 (which > > includes L233) is sister to I-L1294, both being S21825+. > > > > And finally, judging by the number of SNPs involved, the main branches of > > P37.2 diverged very rapidly from each other: > > there are dozens of SNPs equivalent to M423, M26 and (L1286 or L233), but > > only three SNPs to group these branches together (CTS595/PF3983 and > S21825). > > > > I will take a closer look soon. > > > > Bernie > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ---I read every email but I'm not always able to respond immediately. If you think you've been waiting too long for a reply, please, email me again at [email protected]

Kenneth, It has been pointed out by a I-M223 member that sample number 269 appears twice in the Chromo2M223 tree.

S6275 sounds interesting, Ken, and maybe it will even match one of my Full Genomes "private" mutations, but it is very frustrating that the company won't even tell us where it is located on the Y. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > I peeled another four members of Z138+ into another branch with snp S6275+. > (absence of) Color coding in Chromo2 raw data file led to my overlooking > this first time around. > See update of "Chromo2Z58". > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Francois Marquis > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > Hello Ken, > Where is your Chromo2 result in the Z58 powerpoint slide? > Is Z2541 included in Chromo2? > Best regards, > Francois Marquis > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Nordtvedt > Sent: dimanche 2 février 2014 01:06 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I raw > data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. > > They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names "Chromo2......" > with > suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. > > Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those in > that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right now. > I'll get that corrected shortly. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, lots of frustrations in this hobby! Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Obed W Odom Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees S6275 sounds interesting, Ken, and maybe it will even match one of my Full Genomes "private" mutations, but it is very frustrating that the company won't even tell us where it is located on the Y. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > I peeled another four members of Z138+ into another branch with snp > S6275+. > (absence of) Color coding in Chromo2 raw data file led to my overlooking > this first time around. > See update of "Chromo2Z58". > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Francois Marquis > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > Hello Ken, > Where is your Chromo2 result in the Z58 powerpoint slide? > Is Z2541 included in Chromo2? > Best regards, > Francois Marquis > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Nordtvedt > Sent: dimanche 2 février 2014 01:06 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I raw > data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. > > They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names "Chromo2......" > with > suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. > > Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those in > that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right now. > I'll get that corrected shortly. > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What about other sequencing, like Big Y (FTDNA) or FGC ? > > This is great! So much information here. > > It looks like you have anonymous results for > one I-CTS5966 Dinaric person > one l-L621, and likely Disles person > eleven I-L161 Isles people > two I-L233 Western people > one I-L1294 France person!!! > three I-M26 people > > the only main branch of P37.2 that is missing is the very rare L880 > "Northern France" group. Maybe we can organize a Chromo2 test for one of > them. > > The first thing I notice is that you have the I-L233 samples listed as > PF3983. Everyone in I-L233 who tested at Geno 2.0 has a no call at this > SNP, and one I-L233 person tested it at FTDNA but they have not been able > to determine his result. So I'm surprised that Chromo2 was able to get a > reading. > > The next thing I notice is that now we know that the I-L1286 (which > includes L233) is sister to I-L1294, both being S21825+. > > And finally, judging by the number of SNPs involved, the main branches of > P37.2 diverged very rapidly from each other: > there are dozens of SNPs equivalent to M423, M26 and (L1286 or L233), but > only three SNPs to group these branches together (CTS595/PF3983 and S21825). > > I will take a closer look soon. > > Bernie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> > Now if only we knew what placement these S series SNPs were on the Y > chromosome. > If we don't know where they are, how will we know that they are the same when some other testing company like Family Tree DNA "discovers" them again? > Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 15:18:01 +1000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > The M223 tree makes more sense now with those two samples added and CTS616 > and Z161 placed on the tree. > > Thanks for all the work you have done with the Chromo2 results. > > Now if only we knew what placement these S series SNPs were on the Y > chromosome. > > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > > > And I had missed sample 184. He appears to be CTS616- and of that YCA > > 17/19 > > clade. > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wayne R. Roberts > > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 6:59 PM > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > > > Kenneth, > > > > For M223, it appears all the samples (thus branches) are downstream of > > CTS616, CTS9183. Is that correct? > > > > Also of those downstream of CTS10057, CTS10100, all samples (branches) are > > Z161 and all of those are L801. Correct? > > > > So the implications are: no M223* samples upstream of CTS616, no L1228* > > samples, no L701*/L702* samples, no L623* samples and no Z161* samples > > upstream of L801/Z183. Also there are no M284 samples that are L1195-. > > > > I am unclear of the placement of sample 189. It appears to be parallel to > > the Z2054-Z2102 branch. I assume 189 is not a Roots 911 person as he would > > still be positive for some or all of Z2055 to Z2102 and negative for Z2054. > > Therefore 189 is a unique new branch and there are no samples that are > > L1229 and Z2054-. > > > > Wayne > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I > > raw > > > data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. > > > > > > They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names "Chromo2......" > > > with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. > > > > > > Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those > > in > > > that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right > > now. > > > I'll get that corrected shortly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow, that is a lot of S series SNPs associated with the L1228 sample. Great work. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <[email protected]>wrote: > One of those M223 dna samples from Chromo2 is indeed L1228+ See latest > update of "Chromo2M223" > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne R. Roberts > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:18 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > The M223 tree makes more sense now with those two samples added and CTS616 > and Z161 placed on the tree. > > Thanks for all the work you have done with the Chromo2 results. > > Now if only we knew what placement these S series SNPs were on the Y > chromosome. > > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > And I had missed sample 184. He appears to be CTS616- and of that YCA > > 17/19 > > clade. > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wayne R. Roberts > > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 6:59 PM > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees > > > > Kenneth, > > > > For M223, it appears all the samples (thus branches) are downstream of > > CTS616, CTS9183. Is that correct? > > > > Also of those downstream of CTS10057, CTS10100, all samples (branches) > are > > Z161 and all of those are L801. Correct? > > > > So the implications are: no M223* samples upstream of CTS616, no L1228* > > samples, no L701*/L702* samples, no L623* samples and no Z161* samples > > upstream of L801/Z183. Also there are no M284 samples that are L1195-. > > > > I am unclear of the placement of sample 189. It appears to be parallel to > > the Z2054-Z2102 branch. I assume 189 is not a Roots 911 person as he > would > > still be positive for some or all of Z2055 to Z2102 and negative for > > Z2054. > > Therefore 189 is a unique new branch and there are no samples that are > > L1229 and Z2054-. > > > > Wayne > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I > > raw > > > data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. > > > > > > They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names "Chromo2......" > > > with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. > > > > > > Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those > > in > > > that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right > > now. > > > I'll get that corrected shortly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > > > > > Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: > > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I peeled another four members of Z138+ into another branch with snp S6275+. (absence of) Color coding in Chromo2 raw data file led to my overlooking this first time around. See update of "Chromo2Z58". Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Francois Marquis Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees Hello Ken, Where is your Chromo2 result in the Z58 powerpoint slide? Is Z2541 included in Chromo2? Best regards, Francois Marquis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: dimanche 2 février 2014 01:06 To: [email protected] Subject: [yDNAhgI] Chromo2 Trees I have finished my first cut at putting all the anonymous haplogroup I raw data files I obtained for Chromo2 results. They are in my website as powerpoint slides under names “Chromo2......” with suffixes F597 L22 Z58 I1xZ58xL22 M223 and P37. Now F597 is an erroneous snp name which should be L597. But only those in that division of haplogroup I will probably know the difference right now. I’ll get that corrected shortly. Kenneth Nordtvedt Haplogroup I Clade Modalities and Trees at: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, I decided to compare your new file *Chromo2I1xZ58xL22 *to your older file *Tree for I1xL22xZ58* to see what might apply to me. Being one of the I1a1*= CTS6364+, L69+, L22-, M227-, L1275- guys, I noticed that *S7657* might relate to AS161616 or Mav11. And *S26291 S4795* might lead toward I1-P1 or I1-P2. Hopefully the new Big Y test will sort these paths out, enabling them to be blended together into one file, and giving guidance to we lurkers who are waiting to test single SNPs. Thanks for your continued efforts, Jim Robeson (N20789)