good and efficient/intelligent tools for admin are the key. *************** Good tools are the key for everyone, but I haven't seen any indication that they will be provided. I couldn't recommend Big-Y to anyone at this point, and I fear it may be a long time before tests like this deliver the genealogically-relevant matches most people want and expect. Lindsey

That's seems to be a reasonable approach ... but you do not necessarily need a highly skilled admin ... good and efficient/intelligent tools for admin are the key. Mvh/Regards Nicolas Taban -------- Original message -------- From: Lawrence Mayka <lmayka@ameritech.net> Date:08/05/2014 17:21 (GMT+01:00) To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] So that' s all folks? What do people think of this idea to get more out of your Big Y results, if you have at least a few STR-based near-matches? First, you need a reliable list of your "private" SNPs, such as provided by YFull or FGC or perhaps a highly skilled administrator. For each "private" SNP, enter its location into YBrowse. Then zoom out to the "Show 500 bp" level. Look for any nearby SNPs for which FTDNA already offers individual tests. (You will probably have to check FTDNA's Advanced menu.) If you find one, ask an administrator to request an individual test for the SNP from FTDNA. The administrator should specifically note in the Rationale box that the SNP test may be able to reuse the existing primers for SNP <Xnnn>. If you have fairly close STR-based matches (e.g., within a genetic distance of 7 at 67 markers), it is reasonable to hope that at least some of your matches will test positive for at least one of these SNPs. I suggest doing this for no more than 2 such SNPs, in order not to swamp FTDNA's request system. I also do not recommend this if you have no 60-out-of-67 matches, because more distant men are less likely to test positive for either SNP and may be annoyed that you wasted their money. This idea assumes that the greatest expense in offering individual SNP tests is the design, ordering, testing, and storage of primers. This idea also assumes that at least some of your STR-based matches will be willing to order one or two SNP tests-otherwise, FTDNA will quickly balk at offering tests that no one ever orders. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Y-full has placed me in I1a1b* Terminal SNP S142/L22. They use terms like "1a1b* private" where they show known SNPs. I wonder in what way they are Private? They also use the term "1a1b* equivalent or upstream" where they have known SNPs as well as what they mark as "new". The new SNPs, mustn't they have been found in two samples or more? They have seven new SNPs in my list: 22803391 C instead of T 19420298 A instead of C 22298941 A instead of G 22948319 G instead of C 14388450 A instead of C 17946911 G instead of T 18124512 C instead of T Mats

interesting post: https://theexomeexperience.quora.com/Comparing-Exome-with-Big-Y Regards, Nicolas Taban

​I have an updated list​ for new SNPs available individually for I1-M253 and Z140 branch members. In addition to those available at FTDNA, we now have several available at YSEQ in order to post YSEQ results, share and compare, we also have a new groups at YSEQ: Group I1-Z140 Project http://shop.yseq.net/group_alleles.php?gid=22 Group I1-M253 Project http://shop.yseq.net/group_alleles.php?gid=23 This is the current list of Hg-I1 SNPs available at YSEQ: A261 I1 for I1-Z2535+ L338+members of HAMILTON and TATE subgroups A262 I1 for I1-Z2535+ L338+members of HAMILTON and TATE subgroups A264 I1 for I1-Z2535+ L338+members of HAMILTON and TATE subgroups A266 I1 A269 I1 A270 I1 A271 I1 A272 I1 A280 I1 A282 I1 A284 I1 A285 I1 CTS11651 I1 CTS11995 I1 CTS1793 I1 CTS6739 I1 [aka S2166] for I1-Z140+ F2642+ branch members CTS6772 I1 for F2642+GROUP B members, close to Y1966 CTS8716 I1 FGC12741 I1 FGC12743 I1 FGC12744 I1 FGC12745 I1 FGC12746 I1 FGC12748 I1 FGC12749 I1 FGC12751 I1 FGC12752 I1 FGC12753 I1 FGC12754 I1 FGC12756 I1 FGC12757 I1 FGC12758 I1 FGC12759 I1 FGC12761 I1 FGC12762 I1 FGC12764 I1 FGC2491 I1 for F2642+GROUP A members FGC2491 = Y1884 = S2158. FGC3500 I1 FGC8677 I1 FGC8681 I1 FGC8682 I1 FGC8684 I1 FGC8685 I1 FGC8686 I1 FGC8688 I1 L573 I1 S12289 I1 for I1-Z2535+ L338+ membersof DOUGLAS and SMITH subgroups. S1990 I1 for I1-Z2535+ L338+ members of DUNBAR, JAMES, HAMILTON and TATE subgroups S2001 I1 for I1-Z2535+ L338+members of DUNBAR, JAMES, HAMILTON and TATE subgroups S20246 I1 S2155 I1 [aka Z2904] for I1-Z140+ F2642+ branch members S2158 I1 for F2642+GROUP A members FGC2491 = Y1884 = S2158. S2195 I1 for I1-Z2538+branch members. S239 I1 S297 I1 S5619 I1 S6277 I1 S8412 I1 Z2338 I1 Z718 I1 Z75 I1 Testing Kit: If you order a DNA analysis from YSEQ you don't need to order this separately. We'll ship the kit at the first order anyways. until Fathers' Day 2014, individual testing of SNPs at YSEQ is only $25 [normally $35] William Hartley I1-M253&Z140 Projects at FTDNA, ​YSEQ, ​ Facebook and YFull On 6 May 2014 21:33, <y-dna-haplogroup-i-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Subject: [yDNAhgI] New SNPs for I1-Z140 Project members > ​I submitted well over a dozen new SNPs, taken from Chromo 2.0, Full > Genomes and Big-Y results, for I1-Z140 Project members to test > individually​ at FTDNA. > If you are a member of any Z140 subgroup, please test ones that are > relevant to your branch, as per the charts posted on our Project. If in > doubt, please ask. > > This is not a full list. And due to technical reasons, not all the new SNPs > submitted will necessarily be added to the catalogue. > > There are more new SNPs to come. I submitted another batch last week.. > > So, watch this space!! >

Bernie, if I understand correctly what you're asking, you want to know whether we can see our I2a... group anywhere on the site now, or if we only see I-P37 and the like. After browsing around, I only see I2a listed on the "Y-DNA Migration Map<https://my.familytreedna.com/pdf-docs/2010-ydna-migration-map.pdf>" that's in the printable certificates area. I agree there needs to be a good way of steering folks to the appropriate projects; I know from experience that it can take a bit to figure out where exactly one should be... Best, Mark On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Bernie Cullen <berniecullen@gmail.com>wrote: > As an FTDNA project administrator I can go to the Member Subgrouping page > and I can see that FTDNA updated their alphanumeric haplogroup names when > they updated the haplogroup tree. For haplogroup I2 it was a strange way of > updating, it looks like they aren't paying attention to L460 even though > it's on their tree, so I-P37 is still I2a. But they did pay attention to > the new SNPs under P37. > > But if FTDNA customers can't see their I2a type haplogroup name anywhere, > there's no need to pay attention to these fine details I think. > > I just hope customers can find their way to haplogroup projects. > > I am glad that FTDNA has changed I-P37.2 to I-P37, now we can consider > changing the url of our project to something ending in I-P37 without the > confusing decimal point (if that's even allowed) > > Bernie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What do people think of this idea to get more out of your Big Y results, if you have at least a few STR-based near-matches? First, you need a reliable list of your "private" SNPs, such as provided by YFull or FGC or perhaps a highly skilled administrator. For each "private" SNP, enter its location into YBrowse. Then zoom out to the "Show 500 bp" level. Look for any nearby SNPs for which FTDNA already offers individual tests. (You will probably have to check FTDNA's Advanced menu.) If you find one, ask an administrator to request an individual test for the SNP from FTDNA. The administrator should specifically note in the Rationale box that the SNP test may be able to reuse the existing primers for SNP <Xnnn>. If you have fairly close STR-based matches (e.g., within a genetic distance of 7 at 67 markers), it is reasonable to hope that at least some of your matches will test positive for at least one of these SNPs. I suggest doing this for no more than 2 such SNPs, in order not to swamp FTDNA's request system. I also do not recommend this if you have no 60-out-of-67 matches, because more distant men are less likely to test positive for either SNP and may be annoyed that you wasted their money. This idea assumes that the greatest expense in offering individual SNP tests is the design, ordering, testing, and storage of primers. This idea also assumes that at least some of your STR-based matches will be willing to order one or two SNP tests-otherwise, FTDNA will quickly balk at offering tests that no one ever orders.

To answer my own question, FTDNA customers and the general public can see the I2a1b style names on the public SNP results pages like: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup/default.aspx?section=ysnp I see that we have some ridiculously long names like kit 183699 who is I2a1a1a1a1a2 Bernie On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Bernie Cullen <berniecullen@gmail.com>wrote: > As an FTDNA project administrator I can go to the Member Subgrouping page > and I can see that FTDNA updated their alphanumeric haplogroup names when > they updated the haplogroup tree. For haplogroup I2 it was a strange way of > updating, it looks like they aren't paying attention to L460 even though > it's on their tree, so I-P37 is still I2a. But they did pay attention to > the new SNPs under P37. > > But if FTDNA customers can't see their I2a type haplogroup name anywhere, > there's no need to pay attention to these fine details I think. > > I just hope customers can find their way to haplogroup projects. > > I am glad that FTDNA has changed I-P37.2 to I-P37, now we can consider > changing the url of our project to something ending in I-P37 without the > confusing decimal point (if that's even allowed) > > Bernie > -- ---I read every email but I'm not always able to respond immediately. If you think you've been waiting too long for a reply, please, email me again at berniecullen@gmail.com--

As an FTDNA project administrator I can go to the Member Subgrouping page and I can see that FTDNA updated their alphanumeric haplogroup names when they updated the haplogroup tree. For haplogroup I2 it was a strange way of updating, it looks like they aren't paying attention to L460 even though it's on their tree, so I-P37 is still I2a. But they did pay attention to the new SNPs under P37. But if FTDNA customers can't see their I2a type haplogroup name anywhere, there's no need to pay attention to these fine details I think. I just hope customers can find their way to haplogroup projects. I am glad that FTDNA has changed I-P37.2 to I-P37, now we can consider changing the url of our project to something ending in I-P37 without the confusing decimal point (if that's even allowed) Bernie

My origins under the new My Origins component are: 36% European Coastal Islands, 29% European Northlands, 29% North Mediterranean Basin, 3% European Coastal Plain, and 3% Trans-Ural Peneplain. Under the original PF I was listed as 88% Orcadian and 12% Middle East. So far as I know, my ancestors come from Scotland and England. Emil Crawford Kit#56928 -----Original Message----- From: Ray Jenkins [mailto:ray-jenkins@shaw.ca] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 11:35 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] My Origins For those interested My Origins results are 99% European broken down to 43% European Coastal Islands 36% European Coastal Plain 20% European Northlands Paternal Ancestry is mostly Northwest UK English, with Welsh, Isle of Man and Scottish connections Maternal Ancestry is mostly UK English, with Irish, and Isle of Man connections Ray Jenkins FTDNA Kit#186150 I1 AS2-Z138/Z139+, Z2541- Ysearch AETEN

It surprises me that two brothers can have significant variations like you have described. I supposed it has much to do genetic recombination. It could also mean that we have genetically "silent" lineages within each of us given one brother or sibling can show inheritance from a group that the another sibling does not. It makes me wonder what my silent lineages are. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Stephen Smith <xphile2868@gmail.com> > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 21:14:50 +0100 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] My Origins > I've got 100% Euro, further broken down into 85% European Coastal Islands > and 15% European Northlands. My brother has a bit more - he is 98% Euro and > 2% Middle Eastern - further broken down into 65% European Coastal Islands, > 24% European Coastal Plain, 9% European Northlands and 2% Eastern > Afroasiatic. > > Our ancestry is mostly English, with some Irish and Welsh, whilst two of > our maternal great great grandfathers are unknown. > > > On 6 May 2014 18:30, Paul Stone <vaeringi@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Here is what My Origins says based on the Family Finder results: > > > > 59% Trans Ural Peneplain (I have two R1a great grandfathers) > > 26% European Costal Plain (perhaps my I1 great grandfather) > > 13% European Coastal Islands (I have one Irish and probably R1b great > > grandfather) > > 2% European Northlands (perhaps my I1 great grandfather) > > > > Paul I1 Z63, S2078 > >

I received notice a few minutes ago of a 12/12 match for my Britton family. Surname is Bronson from Australia, earliest-known ancestor was born in 1884, no birthplace given. Lindsey

This new 'My Origins' feature at FTDNA comes coincidentally on the heels of another discussion on this forum regarding the newly touted GPS service that claims to locate your ancestor's origins to (in some very isolated cases) 30 miles. I'm guessing FTDNA has placed a different spin on it. If so, then It's complete and utter garbage. The GPS service was reported to have ties to FTDNA and has drawn so much negative feedback as to rival FTDNA's customer service. This from customers who received coordinates in the middle of a river or the Atlantic. I would do some reading up on the process they use before putting much stock or cash into any service claiming to know the coordinates of your ancestor's origins. Lean on your project administrators to tell you that. They're the ones who know best, not that any company offering a paid service would listen to them. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Jenkins [mailto:ray-jenkins@shaw.ca] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 11:35 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] My Origins For those interested My Origins results are 99% European broken down to 43% European Coastal Islands 36% European Coastal Plain 20% European Northlands Paternal Ancestry is mostly Northwest UK English, with Welsh, Isle of Man and Scottish connections Maternal Ancestry is mostly UK English, with Irish, and Isle of Man connections Ray Jenkins FTDNA Kit#186150 I1 AS2-Z138/Z139+, Z2541- Ysearch AETEN

Many thanks Greg for your reply. On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM, G. Magoon <gregm4584@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Wayne, > A step that could be taken by those concerned about sharing their non-Y > data is to extract the portion mapped to the Y chromosome into a separate > file. Then they could share the file containing just the data mapped to the > Y chromosome. > > With samtools, with the Big Y BAM files, you could run: > samtools view -b -o 6789.chrY.bam 6789.bam chrY > where 6789.bam is the original, full file, and 6789.chrY.bam is the file > with just the reads mapped to chrY. For those who aren't comfortable with > this or aren't easily able to use samtools, there are probably other > approaches to do the same thing. From what I've seen of the tools Felix has > been developing, this is probably something he might be able to package up > into a user-friendly Windows utility relatively easily. > > I should note that from a data analysis perspective, in an ideal situation, > I would generally recommend against this approach of discarding data, as > the mapping locations for the reads are not set in stone, and there could > be data useful to chrY amongst the unmapped reads, for example. (Similarly, > there will probably be a fraction of autosomal reads that have been > incorrectly associated with the Y data.) But, as they say, "the best is > the enemy of the good". > > Greg > > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Wayne R. Roberts > <i.m223.roberts@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Greg, some of our Project members at FTDNA are cautious about sending > their > > BAM files to third party groups/companies because the Big Y bam file may > > contain DNA health related information. They need to know sharing such > > files are secure and any non Y DNA information is kept confidential. I do > > not know enough regarding what health information may be present or if it > > restricted to say, mtDNA or something else but some sort of guarantee > needs > > to be made widely know. > > > > > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:03 PM, G. Magoon <gregm4584@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Nicolas, > > > As far as the FGC analysis goes, we have the haplogroupCompare reports, > > and > > > we plan to periodically issue updates to these as the database grows > (we > > > can also generate updates on request if you know that new samples of > > > interest have been added). In the longer term, we plan to implement a > > > dynamic interface. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Nicolas Taban < > > nicolas.taban@hotmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, what will individuals > > > > do with another set of files (FGC)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only way to make sense > > > > out of such a huge amount of data is to be able to compare results > with > > > an > > > > up-to-date > > > > reference (read dynamic) or within a reasonable size project group of > > > quite > > > > close individuals. Neither FGC nor FTDNA is providing such > > > functionalities > > > > for > > > > individuals or project admin (yet?). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The closest would be YFull, > > > > but you still have to manually enter positions or SNP names to make > > your > > > > tables. So you need to know what to look for upfront. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Excel for such a job > > > > is painful, especially when results are not standardized. In > addition, > > > the > > > > amount of data is such that it becomes practically impossible to work > > > when > > > > the > > > > number of kits increases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nicolas. > > > > > > > > > From: lmayka@ameritech.net > > > > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > > > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:01:11 -0500 > > > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] So that' s all folks? > > > > > > > > > > I was lucky enough to get both YFull and FullGenomes analyses > during > > > > their > > > > > introductory free periods. YFull's analysis is actually a login to > > an > > > > > interactive account which also offers downloadability of the > > presented > > > > > information. YFull's single most useful feature--beyond what FTDNA > > > > > provides--is the ability to enter any Y location by number, and > get a > > > > > precise report of > > > > > > > > > > ChrY position: > > > > > Reads: > > > > > Position data: > > > > > Weight for C: > > > > > Probability of error: > > > > > Consensus allele: > > > > > Reference allele: > > > > > > > > > > This lets you distinguish between ancestral vs. ambiguous vs. > > > > one-read-only > > > > > vs. never-read. > > > > > > > > > > The greatest disadvantage of YFull is that its human staff, and > > perhaps > > > > also > > > > > its server, are swamped. They have not been taking new orders for > a > > > > couple > > > > > weeks now. > > > > > > > > > > FullGenomes' analysis is simply a zipped set of files. Its single > > most > > > > > useful feature is a comparison of your SNPs against the > corresponding > > > > > locations of public samples in the same general clade as yours. > > > > FullGenomes > > > > > is taking orders right now, although I think you have to create an > > > > account > > > > > on their web site first before ordering. > > > > > > > > > > From: Wilfred Husted <wmhusted@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > I'm wondering if those YFull and Full Genome BAM analyses are worth > > > > > ordering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

They fixed the Iberian component by painting the red blotch from Italy to Spain...however it still doesn't have the fidelity we were looking for, where is Portugal? Not 1 profile I've seen matched up in their Autosomal vs their Origins, was it supposed to? I'm confused... for example in their FF no Jewish %, but their Origin it has %...what gives? -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 5/7/14, Holmes, Ryan D. (KSC-SAD20) <ryan.d.holmes@nasa.gov> wrote: Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] My Origins To: "y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com" <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2014, 5:23 AM This new 'My Origins' feature at FTDNA comes coincidentally on the heels of another discussion on this forum regarding the newly touted GPS service that claims to locate your ancestor's origins to (in some very isolated cases) 30 miles.  I'm guessing FTDNA has placed a different spin on it.  If so, then It's complete and utter garbage.  The GPS service was reported to have ties to FTDNA and has drawn so much negative feedback as to rival FTDNA's customer service.  This from customers who received coordinates in the middle of a river or the Atlantic.  I would do some reading up on the process they use before putting much stock or cash into any service claiming to know the coordinates of your ancestor's origins.  Lean on your project administrators to tell you that.  They're the ones who know best, not that any company offering a paid service would listen to them. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Jenkins [mailto:ray-jenkins@shaw.ca] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 11:35 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] My Origins For those interested My Origins results are 99% European broken down to 43% European Coastal Islands 36% European Coastal Plain 20% European Northlands Paternal Ancestry is mostly Northwest UK English, with Welsh, Isle of Man and Scottish connections Maternal Ancestry is mostly UK English, with Irish, and Isle of Man connections Ray Jenkins FTDNA Kit#186150 I1 AS2-Z138/Z139+, Z2541- Ysearch AETEN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've just noticed this new feature of FTDNA. My results are 86% European and 13% Middle Eastern. European part: Transural-Peneplain 45% and North Mediteranean Basin 41% Middle Eastern part: Anatolia and Caucasus 13% It corresponds with some previous calculators. Since I am a Serbian, both from the father and mother side and belong to I2a Dinaric haplogroup, I think the results are logical. Region of Balkan is just in the middle of this three clusters. 2014-05-06 22:14 GMT+02:00 Stephen Smith <xphile2868@gmail.com>: > I've got 100% Euro, further broken down into 85% European Coastal Islands > and 15% European Northlands. My brother has a bit more - he is 98% Euro and > 2% Middle Eastern - further broken down into 65% European Coastal Islands, > 24% European Coastal Plain, 9% European Northlands and 2% Eastern > Afroasiatic. > > Our ancestry is mostly English, with some Irish and Welsh, whilst two of > our maternal great great grandfathers are unknown. > > > On 6 May 2014 18:30, Paul Stone <vaeringi@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Here is what My Origins says based on the Family Finder results: > > > > 59% Trans Ural Peneplain (I have two R1a great grandfathers) > > 26% European Costal Plain (perhaps my I1 great grandfather) > > 13% European Coastal Islands (I have one Irish and probably R1b great > > grandfather) > > 2% European Northlands (perhaps my I1 great grandfather) > > > > Paul I1 Z63, S2078 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've got 100% Euro, further broken down into 85% European Coastal Islands and 15% European Northlands. My brother has a bit more - he is 98% Euro and 2% Middle Eastern - further broken down into 65% European Coastal Islands, 24% European Coastal Plain, 9% European Northlands and 2% Eastern Afroasiatic. Our ancestry is mostly English, with some Irish and Welsh, whilst two of our maternal great great grandfathers are unknown. On 6 May 2014 18:30, Paul Stone <vaeringi@gmail.com> wrote: > Here is what My Origins says based on the Family Finder results: > > 59% Trans Ural Peneplain (I have two R1a great grandfathers) > 26% European Costal Plain (perhaps my I1 great grandfather) > 13% European Coastal Islands (I have one Irish and probably R1b great > grandfather) > 2% European Northlands (perhaps my I1 great grandfather) > > Paul I1 Z63, S2078 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Wayne, A step that could be taken by those concerned about sharing their non-Y data is to extract the portion mapped to the Y chromosome into a separate file. Then they could share the file containing just the data mapped to the Y chromosome. With samtools, with the Big Y BAM files, you could run: samtools view -b -o 6789.chrY.bam 6789.bam chrY where 6789.bam is the original, full file, and 6789.chrY.bam is the file with just the reads mapped to chrY. For those who aren't comfortable with this or aren't easily able to use samtools, there are probably other approaches to do the same thing. From what I've seen of the tools Felix has been developing, this is probably something he might be able to package up into a user-friendly Windows utility relatively easily. I should note that from a data analysis perspective, in an ideal situation, I would generally recommend against this approach of discarding data, as the mapping locations for the reads are not set in stone, and there could be data useful to chrY amongst the unmapped reads, for example. (Similarly, there will probably be a fraction of autosomal reads that have been incorrectly associated with the Y data.) But, as they say, "the best is the enemy of the good". Greg On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Wayne R. Roberts <i.m223.roberts@gmail.com>wrote: > Greg, some of our Project members at FTDNA are cautious about sending their > BAM files to third party groups/companies because the Big Y bam file may > contain DNA health related information. They need to know sharing such > files are secure and any non Y DNA information is kept confidential. I do > not know enough regarding what health information may be present or if it > restricted to say, mtDNA or something else but some sort of guarantee needs > to be made widely know. > > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:03 PM, G. Magoon <gregm4584@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Nicolas, > > As far as the FGC analysis goes, we have the haplogroupCompare reports, > and > > we plan to periodically issue updates to these as the database grows (we > > can also generate updates on request if you know that new samples of > > interest have been added). In the longer term, we plan to implement a > > dynamic interface. > > > > Greg > > > > > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Nicolas Taban < > nicolas.taban@hotmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, what will individuals > > > do with another set of files (FGC)? > > > > > > > > > > > > The only way to make sense > > > out of such a huge amount of data is to be able to compare results with > > an > > > up-to-date > > > reference (read dynamic) or within a reasonable size project group of > > quite > > > close individuals. Neither FGC nor FTDNA is providing such > > functionalities > > > for > > > individuals or project admin (yet?). > > > > > > > > > > > > The closest would be YFull, > > > but you still have to manually enter positions or SNP names to make > your > > > tables. So you need to know what to look for upfront. > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Excel for such a job > > > is painful, especially when results are not standardized. In addition, > > the > > > amount of data is such that it becomes practically impossible to work > > when > > > the > > > number of kits increases. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nicolas. > > > > > > > From: lmayka@ameritech.net > > > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:01:11 -0500 > > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] So that' s all folks? > > > > > > > > I was lucky enough to get both YFull and FullGenomes analyses during > > > their > > > > introductory free periods. YFull's analysis is actually a login to > an > > > > interactive account which also offers downloadability of the > presented > > > > information. YFull's single most useful feature--beyond what FTDNA > > > > provides--is the ability to enter any Y location by number, and get a > > > > precise report of > > > > > > > > ChrY position: > > > > Reads: > > > > Position data: > > > > Weight for C: > > > > Probability of error: > > > > Consensus allele: > > > > Reference allele: > > > > > > > > This lets you distinguish between ancestral vs. ambiguous vs. > > > one-read-only > > > > vs. never-read. > > > > > > > > The greatest disadvantage of YFull is that its human staff, and > perhaps > > > also > > > > its server, are swamped. They have not been taking new orders for a > > > couple > > > > weeks now. > > > > > > > > FullGenomes' analysis is simply a zipped set of files. Its single > most > > > > useful feature is a comparison of your SNPs against the corresponding > > > > locations of public samples in the same general clade as yours. > > > FullGenomes > > > > is taking orders right now, although I think you have to create an > > > account > > > > on their web site first before ordering. > > > > > > > > From: Wilfred Husted <wmhusted@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > I'm wondering if those YFull and Full Genome BAM analyses are worth > > > > ordering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

For those interested My Origins results are 99% European broken down to 43% European Coastal Islands 36% European Coastal Plain 20% European Northlands Paternal Ancestry is mostly Northwest UK English, with Welsh, Isle of Man and Scottish connections Maternal Ancestry is mostly UK English, with Irish, and Isle of Man connections Ray Jenkins FTDNA Kit#186150 I1 AS2-Z138/Z139+, Z2541- Ysearch AETEN

Greg, some of our Project members at FTDNA are cautious about sending their BAM files to third party groups/companies because the Big Y bam file may contain DNA health related information. They need to know sharing such files are secure and any non Y DNA information is kept confidential. I do not know enough regarding what health information may be present or if it restricted to say, mtDNA or something else but some sort of guarantee needs to be made widely know. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:03 PM, G. Magoon <gregm4584@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Nicolas, > As far as the FGC analysis goes, we have the haplogroupCompare reports, and > we plan to periodically issue updates to these as the database grows (we > can also generate updates on request if you know that new samples of > interest have been added). In the longer term, we plan to implement a > dynamic interface. > > Greg > > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Nicolas Taban <nicolas.taban@hotmail.com > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Again, what will individuals > > do with another set of files (FGC)? > > > > > > > > The only way to make sense > > out of such a huge amount of data is to be able to compare results with > an > > up-to-date > > reference (read dynamic) or within a reasonable size project group of > quite > > close individuals. Neither FGC nor FTDNA is providing such > functionalities > > for > > individuals or project admin (yet?). > > > > > > > > The closest would be YFull, > > but you still have to manually enter positions or SNP names to make your > > tables. So you need to know what to look for upfront. > > > > > > > > Using Excel for such a job > > is painful, especially when results are not standardized. In addition, > the > > amount of data is such that it becomes practically impossible to work > when > > the > > number of kits increases. > > > > > > > > Nicolas. > > > > > From: lmayka@ameritech.net > > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:01:11 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] So that' s all folks? > > > > > > I was lucky enough to get both YFull and FullGenomes analyses during > > their > > > introductory free periods. YFull's analysis is actually a login to an > > > interactive account which also offers downloadability of the presented > > > information. YFull's single most useful feature--beyond what FTDNA > > > provides--is the ability to enter any Y location by number, and get a > > > precise report of > > > > > > ChrY position: > > > Reads: > > > Position data: > > > Weight for C: > > > Probability of error: > > > Consensus allele: > > > Reference allele: > > > > > > This lets you distinguish between ancestral vs. ambiguous vs. > > one-read-only > > > vs. never-read. > > > > > > The greatest disadvantage of YFull is that its human staff, and perhaps > > also > > > its server, are swamped. They have not been taking new orders for a > > couple > > > weeks now. > > > > > > FullGenomes' analysis is simply a zipped set of files. Its single most > > > useful feature is a comparison of your SNPs against the corresponding > > > locations of public samples in the same general clade as yours. > > FullGenomes > > > is taking orders right now, although I think you have to create an > > account > > > on their web site first before ordering. > > > > > > From: Wilfred Husted <wmhusted@hotmail.com> > > > > > > I'm wondering if those YFull and Full Genome BAM analyses are worth > > > ordering. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >