> > Did you check for it under it's other names, L199, L443, L675, in Known > SNPs? > It's there in my "Known SNPs" under L199. It's in the ISOGG SNP Index as L199.1 and associated with R1b1a2a1a1d1. L199 is also in YBrowse, found in an R1b WTY participant by Thomas Krahn and listed as a private SNP (found in 7 people). It's also been found by Thomas Krahn in 10 E1b1b1a1b2c individuals and is listed in YBrowse as L675 (also listed in the ISOGG SNP Index). It's interesting that it has been found numerous times by Family Tree DNA but was given 3 different numbers (L199, L443, L675) rather than being given a variant of the same number, i.e. L199.1, L199.2, L199.3. Matthew > Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 23:43:45 +1000 > From: i.m223.roberts@gmail.com > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] PF5371 > > Did you check for it under it's other names, L199, L443, L675, in Known > SNPs? > > > On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Matthew Simonds <mwsimonds@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > I'm also puzzled as to why the variant at Y position 15477748 (T to A) > > appears in my variants.vcf file but not in my "Novel Variants" or in my > > "Known SNPs". Since this IS a known SNP (PF5371), it should have been in my > > Known SNPs list. Or if PF5371 is not in Family Tree DNA's Known SNP list > > yet, it seems that this variant should have turned up in my "Novel > > Variants" list. > > Matthew Simonds > > > > > > > > > From: mwsimonds@hotmail.com > > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 06:46:11 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] PF5371 > > > > > > > > > Myself, a distant same-surname relative, and someone with a separate > > surname but still fairly closely linked by STR markers all tested positive > > for PF5371 at position 15477748, T to A. We had previously been put in our > > own subgroup in the P109 Haplogroup Project. None of the other 19 P109+ > > people for whom Big Y results are available tested positive for this SNP. > > > According to Ybrowse, this SNP was first reported by Paolo Francalacci > > in 2011. It says "extracted from genome study of Sardinian samples" and for > > ISOGG Haplogroup it says R1b1a2a1a1d so was apparently found in someone > > from that haplogroup but only in one individual (for "count derived" it > > says "1" out of "8" for "count tested"). > > > Has this SNP been found in other R1b people? > > > Also, ybrowse says for YCC (Y Chromosome Consortium) Haplogroup: > > "Approx. hg: J?" > > > How likely is it that a SNP will develop separately within two > > individuals in different haplogroups and be inherited by their descendants > > (i.e. the two groups of descendants with this SNP did not inherit it from a > > common ancestor)? > > > > > > Matthew Simonds > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

About a week ago, I was dropped from the list.  I wonder if more people were dropped including Ken? I too noticed the lack of traffic vs. the R1b U106 list which is flooding my email box. ________________________________ From: Familienarchiv Fritsche + Saldarriaga <familienarchiv@genealogie-fritsche.de> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] Ken's absence I contacted Ken privately now. Best regards. Jürgen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Haplogroup I List From: Matthew Simonds <mwsimonds@hotmail.com> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Date: Dienstag, 13. Mai 2014 18:39:36 >> Ken seems to be missing from the DNA-Haplogroup-I forum as well. >> > Does Ken ever go on vacation? Maybe that's why he hasn't been active in the the various lists. > > >> Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 12:07:11 -0400 >> From: johnmrhodes409@gmail.com >> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Haplogroup I List >> >> Didier and Lindsey, >> >> Ken seems to be missing from the DNA-Haplogroup-I forum as well. >> >> >> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Elizabeth Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>wrote: >> >>> The list is active but it seems we are missing some very active members, >>> among >>> those Ken Nordtvedt. >>> >>> Didier Vernade >>> >>> ***************************** >>> >>> Yes, I have a new L1275 for Ken's database and a question or two for him. >>> >>> Lindsey >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>  >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >                        >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This SNP seems to be at the junction of (TAAT)4 and (TTAT)3 STRs, and converts these to (TAAT)5 and (TTAT)2 (see the sequence at YBrowse). It does seem to be pretty recurrent but may still be useful in context, depending on just how recurrent it is. On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Matthew Simonds <mwsimonds@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > Did you check for it under it's other names, L199, L443, L675, in Known > > SNPs? > > > > It's there in my "Known SNPs" under L199. > It's in the ISOGG SNP Index as L199.1 and associated with R1b1a2a1a1d1. > L199 is also in YBrowse, found in an R1b WTY participant by Thomas Krahn > and listed as a private SNP (found in 7 people). It's also been found by > Thomas Krahn in 10 E1b1b1a1b2c individuals and is listed in YBrowse as L675 > (also listed in the ISOGG SNP Index). > It's interesting that it has been found numerous times by Family Tree DNA > but was given 3 different numbers (L199, L443, L675) rather than being > given a variant of the same number, i.e. L199.1, L199.2, L199.3. > > Matthew > > > >

Ken seems to be missing from the DNA-Haplogroup-I forum as well. ************************* What is that and where it is? Lindsey

Didier and Lindsey, Ken seems to be missing from the DNA-Haplogroup-I forum as well. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Elizabeth Britton <lplantagenet@aol.com>wrote: > > The list is active but it seems we are missing some very active members, > among > those Ken Nordtvedt. > > Didier Vernade > > ***************************** > > Yes, I have a new L1275 for Ken's database and a question or two for him. > > Lindsey > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm also puzzled as to why the variant at Y position 15477748 (T to A) appears in my variants.vcf file but not in my "Novel Variants" or in my "Known SNPs". Since this IS a known SNP (PF5371), it should have been in my Known SNPs list. Or if PF5371 is not in Family Tree DNA's Known SNP list yet, it seems that this variant should have turned up in my "Novel Variants" list. Matthew Simonds > From: mwsimonds@hotmail.com > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 06:46:11 +0000 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] PF5371 > > > Myself, a distant same-surname relative, and someone with a separate surname but still fairly closely linked by STR markers all tested positive for PF5371 at position 15477748, T to A. We had previously been put in our own subgroup in the P109 Haplogroup Project. None of the other 19 P109+ people for whom Big Y results are available tested positive for this SNP. > According to Ybrowse, this SNP was first reported by Paolo Francalacci in 2011. It says "extracted from genome study of Sardinian samples" and for ISOGG Haplogroup it says R1b1a2a1a1d so was apparently found in someone from that haplogroup but only in one individual (for "count derived" it says "1" out of "8" for "count tested"). > Has this SNP been found in other R1b people? > Also, ybrowse says for YCC (Y Chromosome Consortium) Haplogroup: "Approx. hg: J?" > How likely is it that a SNP will develop separately within two individuals in different haplogroups and be inherited by their descendants (i.e. the two groups of descendants with this SNP did not inherit it from a common ancestor)? > > Matthew Simonds > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Myself, a distant same-surname relative, and someone with a separate surname but still fairly closely linked by STR markers all tested positive for PF5371 at position 15477748, T to A. We had previously been put in our own subgroup in the P109 Haplogroup Project. None of the other 19 P109+ people for whom Big Y results are available tested positive for this SNP. According to Ybrowse, this SNP was first reported by Paolo Francalacci in 2011. It says "extracted from genome study of Sardinian samples" and for ISOGG Haplogroup it says R1b1a2a1a1d so was apparently found in someone from that haplogroup but only in one individual (for "count derived" it says "1" out of "8" for "count tested"). Has this SNP been found in other R1b people? Also, ybrowse says for YCC (Y Chromosome Consortium) Haplogroup: "Approx. hg: J?" How likely is it that a SNP will develop separately within two individuals in different haplogroups and be inherited by their descendants (i.e. the two groups of descendants with this SNP did not inherit it from a common ancestor)? Matthew Simonds

The list is active but it seems we are missing some very active members, among those Ken Nordtvedt.   Didier Vernade > > I receive your messages so it works. > But I have been unsubscribed some days ago ... contemplating how silent is the list for now I wonder how many did realise that? > Or everybody is gone for vacation!?! > Nicolas. > > > From: johnmrhodes409@gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 04:27:50 -0400 > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > CC: lplantagenet@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] (no subject) > > > > Is the yDNAhgI list down? > > > > John M Rhodes > >

I receive your messages so it works. But I have been unsubscribed some days ago ... contemplating how silent is the list for now I wonder how many did realise that? Or everybody is gone for vacation!?! Nicolas. > From: johnmrhodes409@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 04:27:50 -0400 > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > CC: lplantagenet@aol.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] (no subject) > > Is the yDNAhgI list down? > > John M Rhodes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you checked your SPAM folder? I suspect that this issue, and the recent automatic unsubscribes on many mailing lists involves a problem with the implementation of a new security technical specification, DMARC (Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance), http://www.dmarc.org/. This is being implemented by the main ESPs (Email Service Providers), sometimes with rather aggressive settings. The DMARC protocol checks incoming email against the sending ESP to prevent someone spoofing email IDs to send spam & virus programs. Unfortunately, email lists like Yahoo Groups and Rootsweb rebroadcast emails so to the DMARC process, these appear as spoofs and get bounced, or in the case of a recipient with Gmail, they end up flagged as spam. See also this article on ZDNet: http://goo.gl/Rn7KvX which explains it quite well. Stuart On 12 May 2014 08:05, John M Rhodes <johnmrhodes409@gmail.com> wrote: > What has happened to the y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com link? I have not received messages for a couple weeks. Must i resubscribe? > > John M Rhodes >

The list is active but it seems we are missing some very active members, among those Ken Nordtvedt. Didier Vernade ***************************** Yes, I have a new L1275 for Ken's database and a question or two for him. Lindsey

Someone who knows Ken well should email him privately and help him get a Gmail account. He could also use it when he is on the road. Jim Robeson On May 12, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Didier VERNADE <didier.vernade@orange.fr> wrote: > The list is active but it seems we are missing some very active members, among those Ken Nordtvedt. > > > > Didier Vernade > > > > >> >> I receive your messages so it works. >> But I have been unsubscribed some days ago ... contemplating how silent is the list for now I wonder how many did realise that? >> Or everybody is gone for vacation!?! >> Nicolas. >> >>> From: johnmrhodes409@gmail.com >>> Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 04:27:50 -0400 >>> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com >>> CC: lplantagenet@aol.com >>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] (no subject) >>> >>> Is the yDNAhgI list down? >>> >>> John M Rhodes >>> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My rootsweb email suddenly started going to my spam filters. Had to make a filter to pull them out. C On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 1:05 AM, John M Rhodes <johnmrhodes409@gmail.com>wrote: > What has happened to the y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com link? I have > not received messages for a couple weeks. Must i resubscribe? > > John M Rhodes > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Oh my heck!

Is the yDNAhgI list down? John M Rhodes

What has happened to the y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com link? I have not received messages for a couple weeks. Must i resubscribe? John M Rhodes

I have been unsubscribed twice, so a lot of people may have been unsubscribed and haven't resubscribed yet. > > What has happened to the y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com link? I have not received messages for a couple weeks. Must i resubscribe? > > John M Rhodes

Two members of the AS1414 STR cluster, myself (FTDNA kit 85047) and Lancy Pymble (FTDNA kit N7250), are now confirmed positive (T+) at FGC3500/S5619 (Y position 18238499), so it's looking like this may be a tag for AS1414. Ken's Chromo2 Z58 tree shows that 2 Chromo2 participants also tested positive for this SNP. I don't know if these guys are in cluster AS1414, but the chances seem good that they are. I will try to get more AS1414 members to test for this SNP, which is available at YSEQ < http://shop.yseq.net/> for a greatly reduced price (40% off) until Father's Day.

Thanks for idea. My results are not yet available at Yfull but I will ask to be a member of L22 as soon as they are in place. N. > From: e_hound@hotmail.com > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 14:52:14 +0000 > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Help to seed in L22 or I1? > > Are you a member of the L22 group at Yfull? If so, you just enter those positions separated > by a comma in the Ybrowser, and then a group search is made for those positions, all at once. > > I am not member of the L22 group though so I cant do that for you. > > > > > From: nicolas.taban@hotmail.com > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 15:10:19 +0200 > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Help to seed in L22 or I1? > > > > After some struggle in Excel with 21 BigY results, I think I have identified some new positions potentially splitting P109 further but need help to see if no other kit, outside P109, have tested positive to them: > > > > 17819410 > > 8558415 > > 15382323 > > 17187676 > > 8658625 > > 8827462 > > 23803598 > > 13659800 > > 16481392 > > 18075053 > > 23283820 > > 22319705 > > > > In addition PF5371, S15929, P89, L18, PR2182, Y783, Z3408, L1437, CTS7130, S23062, S23679, PR830 and PF5498 also seem to split P109. > > > > Has anybody some info from higher up in the tree, on both the positions and SNP mentioned that could help confirming or not these hypothesis? > > > > Thanks. > > Nicolas. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After some struggle in Excel with 21 BigY results, I think I have identified some new positions potentially splitting P109 further but need help to see if no other kit, outside P109, have tested positive to them: 17819410 8558415 15382323 17187676 8658625 8827462 23803598 13659800 16481392 18075053 23283820 22319705 In addition PF5371, S15929, P89, L18, PR2182, Y783, Z3408, L1437, CTS7130, S23062, S23679, PR830 and PF5498 also seem to split P109. Has anybody some info from higher up in the tree, on both the positions and SNP mentioned that could help confirming or not these hypothesis? Thanks. Nicolas.

Are you a member of the L22 group at Yfull? If so, you just enter those positions separated by a comma in the Ybrowser, and then a group search is made for those positions, all at once. I am not member of the L22 group though so I cant do that for you. > From: nicolas.taban@hotmail.com > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 15:10:19 +0200 > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Help to seed in L22 or I1? > > After some struggle in Excel with 21 BigY results, I think I have identified some new positions potentially splitting P109 further but need help to see if no other kit, outside P109, have tested positive to them: > > 17819410 > 8558415 > 15382323 > 17187676 > 8658625 > 8827462 > 23803598 > 13659800 > 16481392 > 18075053 > 23283820 > 22319705 > > In addition PF5371, S15929, P89, L18, PR2182, Y783, Z3408, L1437, CTS7130, S23062, S23679, PR830 and PF5498 also seem to split P109. > > Has anybody some info from higher up in the tree, on both the positions and SNP mentioned that could help confirming or not these hypothesis? > > Thanks. > Nicolas. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message