Connie, This may be the first time I've seen the connection made between the Virginia Wynnes and the Pennsylvania Wynnes. Thanks so much for this information. Judy Winn >>> GramereC@aol.com 03/12/05 1:40 PM >>> "Lord Mayor Robert (Mayor of Canterbury) Wynne born 1593 in Canterbury, England and died Sept 1609 in St. Georges, Canterbury, Was not the son of Sir John Wynne and Sidney Gerrard. On September 4th 1609 when Thomas Wynne was 17 Robert Wynne his father died, two days later his mother Francis Watmer Wynne died. They were buried together on the 8th of September at St. Georges Church. Three weeks later it was confirmed as plague. William Watmer removed the six orphans who were named Thomas, Peter, John, Elizabeth and Anne Wynne. Sara Effield the orphan daughter of Christopher Effield brewer was also among the children in residence. Watmer himself was also mayor of Canterbury 1608-1609 and again in 1629. Many of the merchants contributed clothing for the children. Peter and John were sent to board with Rowland Dixon the Tailor. Watmer took Elizabeth and Ann Wynne as well as Sara Effield into his home. On July 14, 1612 Thomas Wynne took over the charge of his sisters. Elizabeth Wynne married Paul Maye a vintner, at St. Andrews Parish on May 18, 1616. Nothing is known of Anne. Mr. Daniel Marsh took Thomas as a grocer's apprentice. John and Peter attended King's School while Roger Ravens was headmaster. An additional article reprinted from Arcaeologia Cantiana CII (1985) sheds further light on things. Watmer was not from Canterbury but rather from Shropshire. Watmer was a farmer's son. Descendants of his nephews and wards settled in the American colonies. In an application for arms, William Watmer applied for the arms of a distant kinsman Francis Watmough of Lancashire. Watmer was claiming to descend from William Watmere and Margaret daughter of Thomas Sparkes of Scotedon Salop, and ultimately from John Watmough of Eccleston Lancashire. In 1590 because of familial ties to Wynne Watmer set for Canterbury and legal training. Robert Wynne's family also is reported to have originated in Shropshire. In Robert Wynne's will Frances Wynne his wife is defined as William Watmer's sister. Watmer's third marriage was to Mary daughter if Giles Masters. She had five sisters. One of her sisters Elizabeth married Herbert Randolph; another sister Deborah married Edmund Randolph. Mary Masters Watmer had a son Giles Watmer, and two daughter Mary and Dorothy. Dorothy died young. Giles Watmer was first cousin to Thomas Wynne Grocer in London. Giles Watmer married his cousin Mary the daughter of Herbert and Elizabeth Randolph in 1652. Edward Randolph the son of Edmund and Deborah Masters Randolph was instrumental in the formation of development of Massachusetts as a colony but died in Virginia. The Wynne's Thomas, Peter and John sons of Robert Mayor of Canterbury were first cousins to Giles Watmer. Giles Watmer was a shared cousin between the Randolph and the Wynne's. Thomas Wynne became a grocer. Peter Wynn became a notary. John Wynne became a musician. Peter the notary is reported to be the father of Robert who had a will in America and is Speaker of the house of Burgess for twelve years. Robert Wynne of Jordan's Parrish Charles City in Virginia: Robert Wynne has a will dated July 10, 1675 proved August 15, 1678. The will is in the Virginia Colonies, and his estate is in England and Virginia. In England: To his eldest son Thomas Wynne the farm in Whitestaple Parish in Kent near Canterbury, named Linebett Banckes. To his son Joshua Wynne, he leaves the house and Oat Mill on Dover Lane, St. Georges Parrish Canterbury. In Virginia: His estate to his sons Thomas and Joshua. To Joshua the Plantation called George's. To his Grandson George Woodleif he leaves a foal. (More of George Woodleif later) The residual estate is left to his wife Mary Wynne. Also named in the will is a son in law Frances Poythres. Thomas Wynne son of Robert was living in Prince George County 1707; his age was about 50 then. This Thomas Wynne had a wife Agnes and a son Robert Wynne, and a daughter Mary Melone as seen in Deed of transfer 1707. Joshua Wynne son of Robert Wynne with his wife deeded a transfer in 1708. This transfer was for land in Surry. Joshua Wynne was also justice for Prince George County in 1708. Sir John Wynne was born 1523 in Wales, Llarwst Carnarvonshire (near), Gwydir House Eifiondo.. Sidney Gerrard was born in 1534. Place unknown. Her mother and father were William Gerrard and Dorothy Barton both born in 1509 in Ireland." Sir John Wynne was cousin to Dr. Thomas Wynne via the daughter of Robin named Angarrett who married Ithel Vychan. Ithel Vychan was Dr. Thomas Wynne's GGGG Grandfather. Robin, Angarrett's father was brother to Robert (alive 1304) Sir John's Great Grandfather. So Sir John Wynne's GG Grandfather and Dr. Thomas Wynne's GGGGG Grandfather were in fact the same persons. I think that makes them 3rd cousins twice removed to each other. Unless of course Dr. Thomas Wynne's mother was a cousin to her husband which was common in the family. Cuz Connie ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx