Gilbert Sorry if this is weird. Our Dr. Thomas Wynne matches a group of Morgan's. Our line also goes back to Ancient Wales Ednowain Bendew abt 1047 (arguable which Ed Owain abt 1047 from Edwin most likely) but to there we are good. The group of Morgan's is back to VA/MD/PA it looks like for the most part the Morgan male lineage back to Gollwyn ap Gwyn abt 1000 but without much documentation. Becky and I can not find a relationship between Gollwyn ap Gwyn and Ednowain Bendew in the YDNA direct male lines. That makes us think that we need to go back and look at the Morgan lineage. I posted on another note that Cadwallader (all spellings) Morgan arrived on the ship Lyon with Dr. Edward Jones and Mary Wynne Jones. Most of the folks I have talked to agree that Morgan may not have been the surname at this point so we are looking at the ap/ab system of names. We have many places where the line daughters out and a few places where we need information. One of the other places we need to look is at Morgan Abraham father of Noah Abraham. That family is also coming from the same place in Wales and living with and marrying into our Wynne/Wynn's. Any of the Morgan's who have YDNA tested and match Dr. Thomas Wynn should join the Winn surname project. Becky and I can't access their info on the Morgan surname project. Cuz Connie aka SHREK