Hi Everyone Well my eyes got to the point they couldn't focus anymore so I had to quit. I can say for sure that I can find NO PLACE where we connect or match the male line for Morgan of Golden Grove. There are A BUNCH of cousin connections but there was no place where we connect or match the male line. So back to the board again. Cuz Connie aka SHREK
Dear Cuz Connie, aka SHREK I have never been able to figure out how this connects to us even though in the family bible chart that Hazel in Wales sent me shows this Thelwall of Golden Grove to be related to US.... ARGHHh... Love Cuz Becky What I have in my data base is: This is one line, Please note generation 5, John Thelwall b 1584 and wife Jane Morgan b Gwylgre Golden Grove Tegeingl, Wales.... This is the Morgan line.... BUT Below this I will also show that this same Generation 5, John Thelwall's line seen below.. goes to the Wynne's also...See it below the Morgan line.... Morgan line: 1. John Wynne ap Cynric 2. Hugh ap John 3. Elin [Ellen] verch Hugh/+ Thomas Edward Morgan 4. Edward Morgan of Golden Grove 5. John Thelwall b 1584 Plascoch, Llanhychan d. 3/28/1664/+ Jane Morgan b. Gwylgre Golden Grove, Tegeingl, Wales ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 274, 369. p. 369, John Thelwall, of Bathafarn Park and Plas Coch, H.S.D. 1643, ob. 1664, aged 79 = Jane, d. of Edward Morgan of Gwylgre (Golden Grove) in Tegeingl. p. 314.] [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 313, p. 314. p. 313; 1. John Thelwall of Bathafarn Park and Plas Coch. p. 314; John Thelwall of Plas Coch and Bathafarn Park, died in 1664, aged 79. He married Jane, daughter of Edward Morgan of Gwylgre (Golden Grove), in Tegeingl, Esq. by whom he had issue.] [Wynnstay MS 143, NLW, transcribed by Kay Allen, A.G., John = Jane f. Edward Morgan.] 6. Eubule Thelwall/+ Mary Parry [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Eubule Thelwall, Bar. at law, Gary's Inn, jure uxoris of Nantclwyd = Mary, d. and h's of William Parry, of Pont Y Gof, or Nantclwyd.] [Wynnstay MS 143, NLW, transcribed by Kay Allen, A.G., Eubulo, a lawyer of Grays Inn d. 4 Feb. 1694, aged 73 = Maru Dtr. and heiress of William Parry; d. 6 January 1698 aged 38.] 6. Catherine Thelwall b. Bathafarn, N. Wales/+ John Wynne ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Catherine Thelwall = John Wynn, of Copa 'r Goleuni. ] [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] [Wynnstay MS 143, NLW, transcribed by Kay Allen, A.G., Elizabeth Thelwall = John Wyn of Copperline.] 6. Elizabeth Thelwall/+ Charles Salusbury [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Elizabeth Thelwall = Charles Salusbury, of Pool Park, ap William, of Rug. p. 59.] 6. Mary Thelwall/+ Pierce Conway [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Mary Thelwall = Pierce Conwy, of Rhuddlan.] 6. Martha Thelwall/+ Peter Williams ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Martha Thelwall = Peter Williams, of Plas Onn.] [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] 6. Judith Thelwall/+ Eubule Hughes [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Judith Thelwall = Eubule Hughes, of Disserth.] 6. Sarah Thelwall/+ Rowland White ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Sarah Thelwall = Rowland White, of Ruthin.] [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] 6.Hester Thelwall/+ Mathew Pryse [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Hester Thelwall = Mathew Pryse, of Park, co. Montgomery.] 6. Jane Thelwall/+ John dolben ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Jane Thelwall, ob 1684 = John Dolben ap William Dolben, of Segrwyd, H.S.D. 1632 children on p. 160.] 6. Dorothy Thelwall/+ John Griffith ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Dorothy Thelwall = John Griffith, of Bloxham.] 6. John Thelwall/+ 6. 10 sons 2 daughters died young Thelwall [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 313, 314, 369. p. 313; 1. John Thelwall of Bathafarn Park and Plas Coch. p. 314; John Thelwall of Plas Coch and Bathafarn Park, died in 1664, aged 79. He married Jane, daughter of Edward Morgan of Gwylgre (Golden Grove), in Tegeingl, Esq. by whom he had issue. Thelwall Line: 1. Sion Ap Meredydd [John Wyn] b. 1495, Gwydir d. 7/9/1559 Plas Mawr, Conway, N. Wales/+ Elen [Elin] ferch Morus Lloyd d. abt 1572 2. Morys [Maurice/Morris] Wynne b, 1529 Gwydyr [Gwynedd], Caernarvonshire, Wales d. 8/10/1580 Carnarvon, Wales/+ Jane [Janett] Bulkely m. 1548 Carnarvonshire, Wales. 3. Sir John Wynne b. 1553 Gwynedd, Caernary, Caernarvon, Wales d. 3/1/19627 Llanrwst, Denbigh, Wales, burial 3/2/1627 Gwydyr Chapel, Church of Dolwyddelan, Llanrwst, Carnarvonshire, Wales/+ Sidney Sarah Gerrard b abt 1560 Ireland, d. 6/8/1632 Gwydyr, Caernarvonshire, Wales buried Gwydyr Chapel, Church of Dolwyddelan, Llanrwst, Carnarvonshire, Wales 4. John Thelwall b. Grays Inn, Plascoch d. 9/28/1686/+ Elizabeth Verch John Wynn b. 1577, Bryn Cynwrig, Wales 5. John Thelwall b 1584 Plascoch, Llanhychan d. 3/28/1664/+ Jane Morgan b. Gwylgre Golden Grove, Tegeingl, Wales ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 274, 369. p. 369, John Thelwall, of Bathafarn Park and Plas Coch, H.S.D. 1643, ob. 1664, aged 79 = Jane, d. of Edward Morgan of Gwylgre (Golden Grove) in Tegeingl. p. 314.] [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 313, p. 314. p. 313; 1. John Thelwall of Bathafarn Park and Plas Coch. p. 314; John Thelwall of Plas Coch and Bathafarn Park, died in 1664, aged 79. He married Jane, daughter of Edward Morgan of Gwylgre (Golden Grove), in Tegeingl, Esq. by whom he had issue.] [Wynnstay MS 143, NLW, transcribed by Kay Allen, A.G., John = Jane f. Edward Morgan.] BUT I have never been able to figure this out even though in the family bible chart that Hazel in Wales sent me shows this Thelwall of Golden Grove to be related to US.... ARGHHh... Love Cuz Becky -----Original Message----- From: wynne-genealogy-society-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wynne-genealogy-society-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GramereC@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 7:15 AM To: wynne-genealogy-society@rootsweb.com Subject: [WGS] Wynne and Morgan YDNA match Hi Everyone Well my eyes got to the point they couldn't focus anymore so I had to quit. I can say for sure that I can find NO PLACE where we connect or match the male line for Morgan of Golden Grove. There are A BUNCH of cousin connections but there was no place where we connect or match the male line. So back to the board again. Cuz Connie aka SHREK __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5739 (20101228) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com