Dear Cuz Connie, aka SHREK.... I have found out how we can do a direct line chart..like we use to!!!! But in doing so I was able to find out how Dr. T is connected to the Morgan/thelwall's I show below....[I have cut part of it off look at original e-mail] Both Dr. Thomas Wynne b 1627 and John Thelwall b. 1584 Plascoch, Llanhychan d. 3/28/1664 come from the same 4th Great grandparent: Cynwig [Cynric Sais] ap Ithel Vychan Dr. Thomas Wynne and John Thelwall are 4th cousins 1's removed As shown below: Cynwig [Cynric Sais] ap Ithel Vychan b abt 1461 Bodfari, Flintshire, North Wales d. aft 1490 1. John Wynne ap Cynric b. Ysceifiog Flintshire N Wales 2. Hugh ap John 3. Elin Ellen verch Hugh 4. Edward Morgan of Golden Grove 5. Jane Morgan b. Gwylgre Golden Grove, tegeingl, Wales d. abt 1661 6. John Thelwall b. 1584 Plascoch, Llanhychan d. 3/28/1664 1. Harry Wynne ap Cynwrig b. abt 1485 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales 2. John Wynne ap Harri b. abt 1501 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales d. 1572 Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales 3. Rhys ap John Wynne b 1538 Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales d aft 1592 Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales 4. John Wynne ap Rhys b bet 1565-1567 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales d. 1638 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales 5. Thomas ap John Wyn b. 12/26/1589 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales d. 10/1633 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales 6. Dr. Thomas Wynne b. 7/20/1627 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales d. 3/16/1692 Philadelphia, Philadelphia Cty., PA USA. -----Original Message----- From: wynne-genealogy-society-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wynne-genealogy-society-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Becky Thill Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 11:16 AM To: wynne-genealogy-society@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WGS] Wynne and Morgan YDNA match Dear Cuz Connie, aka SHREK I have never been able to figure out how this connects to us even though in the family bible chart that Hazel in Wales sent me shows this Thelwall of Golden Grove to be related to US.... ARGHHh... Love Cuz Becky What I have in my data base is: This is one line, Please note generation 5, John Thelwall b 1584 and wife Jane Morgan b Gwylgre Golden Grove Tegeingl, Wales.... This is the Morgan line.... BUT Below this I will also show that this same Generation 5, John Thelwall's line seen below.. goes to the Wynne's also...See it below the Morgan line.... Morgan line: 1. John Wynne ap Cynric 2. Hugh ap John 3. Elin [Ellen] verch Hugh/+ Thomas Edward Morgan __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5740 (20101228) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com