I had that Dr. John Wynne b. 1625, died in 1687 MD But his Will in Maryland Calendar of Wills says it was written 1/22/1683 and registered I guess 3/10/1684.... What do you have. Hugs Cuz B -----Original Message----- From: wynne-genealogy-society-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wynne-genealogy-society-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GramereC@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:05 AM To: wynne-genealogy-society@rootsweb.com Subject: [WGS] Ann Wynn widow of Dr. John Wynn Ann Wynn widow of Dr. John Wynn in Maryland married 2ndly Jno Veeres July 30, 1687 by Richard Sewell Registered by Thomas Powell, clerk of North Sassafras Parish Cecil County Maryland. Becky this is where the remarriage is for Ann. This is SUPPOSED to be the widow of the brother of Dr. Thomas Wynn. A TON of Morgans in the same parrish. Cuz Connie aka SHREK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5742 (20101229) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5743 (20101229) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Ann Wynn widow of Dr. John Wynn in Maryland married 2ndly Jno Veeres July 30, 1687 by Richard Sewell Registered by Thomas Powell, clerk of North Sassafras Parish Cecil County Maryland. Becky this is where the remarriage is for Ann. This is SUPPOSED to be the widow of the brother of Dr. Thomas Wynn. A TON of Morgans in the same parrish. Cuz Connie aka SHREK

Jane They all seem to link back to Morgan in Wales. Becky and I are just going through the records trying to sort things out and see what's up. Stay tuned. Cuz Connie aka SHREK

At 10:10 AM 12/29/2010, you wrote: >I am talking about the Morgan's who match the Wynn's. The lineages that >they are presenting are the ones you are talking about. > >Cuz Connie aka SHREK Oh, my goodness! Really? Both the Baptist Minsters and Morgan Morgan's line? I could believe Morgan Morgan's line, but the other, Baptist line is from southern Wales. Amazing. Something must be wrong with their data. Thanks for your speedy reply. Best regards, Cuzin Jane

Jane I am talking about the Morgan's who match the Wynn's. The lineages that they are presenting are the ones you are talking about. Cuz Connie aka SHREK

At 09:32 AM 12/29/2010, you wrote: > The group of Morgan's is back to VA/MD/PA it looks like for the most >part the Morgan male lineage back to Gollwyn ap Gwyn abt 1000 but >without much > documentation. Becky and I can not find a relationship between Gollwyn ap >Gwyn and Ednowain Bendew in the YDNA direct male lines. > Hi, Cuz Connie and Gilbert, Morgan is a surname of interest to me, too. I descend from those "early Baptist" Morgans some of whose descendants went to NC. Specifically, I descend from Esther Morgan 1678-1754 who m. David Jones. Esther's brothers were Thomas, Abel and Enoch; the later two were Baptist Ministers originally from Cardiganshire, Wales. Having later ancestors who lived in SW PA and NW VA, I have a number of ancestors who married into the Morgan Morgan family mentioned by Gilbert. (Also, at least one connection to the Boone family via the Lincolns.) As a consequence, I've collected a good bit on Morgans in VA & PA. Connie, when you refer (above) to the Morgans of VA/MD/PA, are you referring to your line of Morgans or to the Morgan lines which genetically match descendants of Dr. Thomas Wynne? Best regards, Cuzin Jane

Becky Todays project and fractured fairytale IS the Will of John Edmondson Tred Haven Ck(third Haven Creek) Talbot Co. MD October 9th 1697 TO SON ABRAHAM MORGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH YEAH a Morgan and an Abraham TO Philip, James and Abraham Morgan JR 800 A Motherkill in PA (Abraham Morgan's sons I am thinking) WE GOT EM Hey the description in this Will is worth the look it is on ancestry. 500 acres on Choptanke R Etc. (THEY GIRLS!!!!!!) I hope I am up for air soon. Cuz Connie aka SHREK

Gilbert Sorry if this is weird. Our Dr. Thomas Wynne matches a group of Morgan's. Our line also goes back to Ancient Wales Ednowain Bendew abt 1047 (arguable which Ed Owain abt 1047 from Edwin most likely) but to there we are good. The group of Morgan's is back to VA/MD/PA it looks like for the most part the Morgan male lineage back to Gollwyn ap Gwyn abt 1000 but without much documentation. Becky and I can not find a relationship between Gollwyn ap Gwyn and Ednowain Bendew in the YDNA direct male lines. That makes us think that we need to go back and look at the Morgan lineage. I posted on another note that Cadwallader (all spellings) Morgan arrived on the ship Lyon with Dr. Edward Jones and Mary Wynne Jones. Most of the folks I have talked to agree that Morgan may not have been the surname at this point so we are looking at the ap/ab system of names. We have many places where the line daughters out and a few places where we need information. One of the other places we need to look is at Morgan Abraham father of Noah Abraham. That family is also coming from the same place in Wales and living with and marrying into our Wynne/Wynn's. Any of the Morgan's who have YDNA tested and match Dr. Thomas Wynn should join the Winn surname project. Becky and I can't access their info on the Morgan surname project. Cuz Connie aka SHREK

Becky, I am very interested in the Morgan line as well. I have some research tracing a line of Morgans which include James Morgan born abt 1670 in Philladelphia died 1736 in Gwynedd, Phillidelphia Pennsylvania abt 1736. This line descends to Daniel Boone and my wife who appears to be 1 cousin 8 times removed to Daniel Boone. James' dad Edward appears to be from Monmouthshire, Wales. This line is a work in progress and includes Morgan Morgan as well who was prominent in settling of area currently West Virginia. I'm watching the posts with much interest. -----Original Message----- From: GramereC@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 10:12 AM To: wynne-genealogy-society@rootsweb.com Subject: [WGS] Morgan lines US that match Dr. Thomas YDNA Zachariah Morgan b 1775 NC (he is reported by some as born NC others VA and others Kentucky) Daniel Morgan 1776-1844 Robert Austin Morgan b 1846 Kentucky William Morgan 1821-1865 Randel Morgan 1710-1776 Faquier VA John Morgan Nathaniel Morgan 1778 NC These are the ones we are matching to YDNA for Dr. Thomas Wynne with a few mismatches. Do any of you have them in your lineages???? Cuz Connie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Becky that is a female connection or a crocked one it is a straight male we are looking for., Cuz Connie aka SHREK

Dear Cuz's, I have figured out how to make a chart from one person to another without all the extra people being in the chart!! We use to be able to do this in a descendants chart format back before Family Tree Maker changed to their new format. I have talked to Family Tree Maker and they are requesting that they make this in a descendants chart format also, but until then it is in a "box" type chart. If you want instructions of how to do this.. please e-mail me, and request the document I have created for you. It is named: "How to make Relationship Chart" Hugs Cuz Becky Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, But rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Wow, What a RIDE!!".

Dear Cuz Connie, aka SHREK.... I have found out how we can do a direct line chart..like we use to!!!! But in doing so I was able to find out how Dr. T is connected to the Morgan/thelwall's I show below....[I have cut part of it off look at original e-mail] Both Dr. Thomas Wynne b 1627 and John Thelwall b. 1584 Plascoch, Llanhychan d. 3/28/1664 come from the same 4th Great grandparent: Cynwig [Cynric Sais] ap Ithel Vychan Dr. Thomas Wynne and John Thelwall are 4th cousins 1's removed As shown below: Cynwig [Cynric Sais] ap Ithel Vychan b abt 1461 Bodfari, Flintshire, North Wales d. aft 1490 1. John Wynne ap Cynric b. Ysceifiog Flintshire N Wales 2. Hugh ap John 3. Elin Ellen verch Hugh 4. Edward Morgan of Golden Grove 5. Jane Morgan b. Gwylgre Golden Grove, tegeingl, Wales d. abt 1661 6. John Thelwall b. 1584 Plascoch, Llanhychan d. 3/28/1664 1. Harry Wynne ap Cynwrig b. abt 1485 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales 2. John Wynne ap Harri b. abt 1501 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales d. 1572 Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales 3. Rhys ap John Wynne b 1538 Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales d aft 1592 Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales 4. John Wynne ap Rhys b bet 1565-1567 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales d. 1638 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales 5. Thomas ap John Wyn b. 12/26/1589 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales d. 10/1633 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales 6. Dr. Thomas Wynne b. 7/20/1627 Bron Fadog, Ysceifiog Flintshire, N. Wales d. 3/16/1692 Philadelphia, Philadelphia Cty., PA USA. -----Original Message----- From: wynne-genealogy-society-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wynne-genealogy-society-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Becky Thill Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 11:16 AM To: wynne-genealogy-society@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WGS] Wynne and Morgan YDNA match Dear Cuz Connie, aka SHREK I have never been able to figure out how this connects to us even though in the family bible chart that Hazel in Wales sent me shows this Thelwall of Golden Grove to be related to US.... ARGHHh... Love Cuz Becky What I have in my data base is: This is one line, Please note generation 5, John Thelwall b 1584 and wife Jane Morgan b Gwylgre Golden Grove Tegeingl, Wales.... This is the Morgan line.... BUT Below this I will also show that this same Generation 5, John Thelwall's line seen below.. goes to the Wynne's also...See it below the Morgan line.... Morgan line: 1. John Wynne ap Cynric 2. Hugh ap John 3. Elin [Ellen] verch Hugh/+ Thomas Edward Morgan __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5740 (20101228) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Dear Cuz Connie, aka SHREK I have never been able to figure out how this connects to us even though in the family bible chart that Hazel in Wales sent me shows this Thelwall of Golden Grove to be related to US.... ARGHHh... Love Cuz Becky What I have in my data base is: This is one line, Please note generation 5, John Thelwall b 1584 and wife Jane Morgan b Gwylgre Golden Grove Tegeingl, Wales.... This is the Morgan line.... BUT Below this I will also show that this same Generation 5, John Thelwall's line seen below.. goes to the Wynne's also...See it below the Morgan line.... Morgan line: 1. John Wynne ap Cynric 2. Hugh ap John 3. Elin [Ellen] verch Hugh/+ Thomas Edward Morgan 4. Edward Morgan of Golden Grove 5. John Thelwall b 1584 Plascoch, Llanhychan d. 3/28/1664/+ Jane Morgan b. Gwylgre Golden Grove, Tegeingl, Wales ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 274, 369. p. 369, John Thelwall, of Bathafarn Park and Plas Coch, H.S.D. 1643, ob. 1664, aged 79 = Jane, d. of Edward Morgan of Gwylgre (Golden Grove) in Tegeingl. p. 314.] [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 313, p. 314. p. 313; 1. John Thelwall of Bathafarn Park and Plas Coch. p. 314; John Thelwall of Plas Coch and Bathafarn Park, died in 1664, aged 79. He married Jane, daughter of Edward Morgan of Gwylgre (Golden Grove), in Tegeingl, Esq. by whom he had issue.] [Wynnstay MS 143, NLW, transcribed by Kay Allen, A.G., John = Jane f. Edward Morgan.] 6. Eubule Thelwall/+ Mary Parry [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Eubule Thelwall, Bar. at law, Gary's Inn, jure uxoris of Nantclwyd = Mary, d. and h's of William Parry, of Pont Y Gof, or Nantclwyd.] [Wynnstay MS 143, NLW, transcribed by Kay Allen, A.G., Eubulo, a lawyer of Grays Inn d. 4 Feb. 1694, aged 73 = Maru Dtr. and heiress of William Parry; d. 6 January 1698 aged 38.] 6. Catherine Thelwall b. Bathafarn, N. Wales/+ John Wynne ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Catherine Thelwall = John Wynn, of Copa 'r Goleuni. ] [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] [Wynnstay MS 143, NLW, transcribed by Kay Allen, A.G., Elizabeth Thelwall = John Wyn of Copperline.] 6. Elizabeth Thelwall/+ Charles Salusbury [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Elizabeth Thelwall = Charles Salusbury, of Pool Park, ap William, of Rug. p. 59.] 6. Mary Thelwall/+ Pierce Conway [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Mary Thelwall = Pierce Conwy, of Rhuddlan.] 6. Martha Thelwall/+ Peter Williams ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Martha Thelwall = Peter Williams, of Plas Onn.] [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] 6. Judith Thelwall/+ Eubule Hughes [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Judith Thelwall = Eubule Hughes, of Disserth.] 6. Sarah Thelwall/+ Rowland White ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Sarah Thelwall = Rowland White, of Ruthin.] [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] 6.Hester Thelwall/+ Mathew Pryse [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Hester Thelwall = Mathew Pryse, of Park, co. Montgomery.] 6. Jane Thelwall/+ John dolben ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Jane Thelwall, ob 1684 = John Dolben ap William Dolben, of Segrwyd, H.S.D. 1632 children on p. 160.] 6. Dorothy Thelwall/+ John Griffith ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 369. Dorothy Thelwall = John Griffith, of Bloxham.] 6. John Thelwall/+ 6. 10 sons 2 daughters died young Thelwall [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 314.] The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 313, 314, 369. p. 313; 1. John Thelwall of Bathafarn Park and Plas Coch. p. 314; John Thelwall of Plas Coch and Bathafarn Park, died in 1664, aged 79. He married Jane, daughter of Edward Morgan of Gwylgre (Golden Grove), in Tegeingl, Esq. by whom he had issue. Thelwall Line: 1. Sion Ap Meredydd [John Wyn] b. 1495, Gwydir d. 7/9/1559 Plas Mawr, Conway, N. Wales/+ Elen [Elin] ferch Morus Lloyd d. abt 1572 2. Morys [Maurice/Morris] Wynne b, 1529 Gwydyr [Gwynedd], Caernarvonshire, Wales d. 8/10/1580 Carnarvon, Wales/+ Jane [Janett] Bulkely m. 1548 Carnarvonshire, Wales. 3. Sir John Wynne b. 1553 Gwynedd, Caernary, Caernarvon, Wales d. 3/1/19627 Llanrwst, Denbigh, Wales, burial 3/2/1627 Gwydyr Chapel, Church of Dolwyddelan, Llanrwst, Carnarvonshire, Wales/+ Sidney Sarah Gerrard b abt 1560 Ireland, d. 6/8/1632 Gwydyr, Caernarvonshire, Wales buried Gwydyr Chapel, Church of Dolwyddelan, Llanrwst, Carnarvonshire, Wales 4. John Thelwall b. Grays Inn, Plascoch d. 9/28/1686/+ Elizabeth Verch John Wynn b. 1577, Bryn Cynwrig, Wales 5. John Thelwall b 1584 Plascoch, Llanhychan d. 3/28/1664/+ Jane Morgan b. Gwylgre Golden Grove, Tegeingl, Wales ["Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed., p. 274, 369. p. 369, John Thelwall, of Bathafarn Park and Plas Coch, H.S.D. 1643, ob. 1664, aged 79 = Jane, d. of Edward Morgan of Gwylgre (Golden Grove) in Tegeingl. p. 314.] [The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81., p. 313, p. 314. p. 313; 1. John Thelwall of Bathafarn Park and Plas Coch. p. 314; John Thelwall of Plas Coch and Bathafarn Park, died in 1664, aged 79. He married Jane, daughter of Edward Morgan of Gwylgre (Golden Grove), in Tegeingl, Esq. by whom he had issue.] [Wynnstay MS 143, NLW, transcribed by Kay Allen, A.G., John = Jane f. Edward Morgan.] BUT I have never been able to figure this out even though in the family bible chart that Hazel in Wales sent me shows this Thelwall of Golden Grove to be related to US.... ARGHHh... Love Cuz Becky -----Original Message----- From: wynne-genealogy-society-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wynne-genealogy-society-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GramereC@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 7:15 AM To: wynne-genealogy-society@rootsweb.com Subject: [WGS] Wynne and Morgan YDNA match Hi Everyone Well my eyes got to the point they couldn't focus anymore so I had to quit. I can say for sure that I can find NO PLACE where we connect or match the male line for Morgan of Golden Grove. There are A BUNCH of cousin connections but there was no place where we connect or match the male line. So back to the board again. Cuz Connie aka SHREK __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5739 (20101228) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

So here is where we are now. Me and the mouse in my pocket are looking at Cadwallader Morgan who arrived on the Lyon with Dr. Edward Jones and his wife Mary Wynne Jones. So today I am trying to find info on this line because I think coming on the same ship is an indication that they might have known each other. This line DOES NOT connect to Golden Grove family. Cuz Connie aka SHREK

Hi Everyone Well my eyes got to the point they couldn't focus anymore so I had to quit. I can say for sure that I can find NO PLACE where we connect or match the male line for Morgan of Golden Grove. There are A BUNCH of cousin connections but there was no place where we connect or match the male line. So back to the board again. Cuz Connie aka SHREK

Becky this one is a double cousin. _http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/s-WILI-THO-1545.html_ (http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/s-WILI-THO-1545.html) Cuz Connie

No Snow in State College!! Cuz Connie

No Snow??? I figured you were snowed in!!! Hugs Cuz B -----Original Message----- From: wynne-genealogy-society-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wynne-genealogy-society-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GramereC@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 8:49 AM To: wynne-genealogy-society@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WGS] Wynne and Morgan YDNA matches Nancy Unfortunately there are a Gazillion lineages put out there for the Morgan's also. We know we have a YDNA match to a bunch of them and Becky likes the Golden Grove Morgan's. Who have a lineage which starts with Ednyfed Vychan m to Angharad daughter of and heir to David Lloyd ap Tudor ap Ithel Vychan. I have not finished looking at this one this go around. There are a few things in there that I have to chase down and that gets me off the track. The Morgan of Caelan line daughter out so that won't be where the match is. Cuz Connie in Central PA where the snow is NOT!!! In a message dated 12/26/2010 2:17:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nlrawlings@gmail.com writes: __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5737 (20101227) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi all I know you hate it when I post this weird stuff but I have to :~) !!!!! On the Morgan Wynne connection this is where I am working. I follow Zach back to Wales via Philadelphia. There are a bunch of connections like with the Wynn's. The line I am looking at goes back to Llywelyn ap Bledri abt(ROUGH) 1220 Cil-sant, Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire Wales. We have in our line Bledrws ap Ednowain Bendew abt 1085 (from bendew back we can debate) makes his kids born about 1115. _http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id85.html_ (http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id85.html) is the best place to look if you want. I have to look and see what Darrell Wolcott has to say on his ancient wales site about this 100 year lapse. If this is where the Morgan line goes it would put them in a direct male line with us and we should match YDNA. So any of you who are Morgans and Wynnes Myself or Becky would love to be in contact with that family association for Zach. Cuz Connie

Zachariah Morgan b 1775 NC (he is reported by some as born NC others VA and others Kentucky) Daniel Morgan 1776-1844 Robert Austin Morgan b 1846 Kentucky William Morgan 1821-1865 Randel Morgan 1710-1776 Faquier VA John Morgan Nathaniel Morgan 1778 NC These are the ones we are matching to YDNA for Dr. Thomas Wynne with a few mismatches. Do any of you have them in your lineages???? Cuz Connie