Dear Cuz Janet, I just got a phone call from the current owner of the 2nd property at the Wynnestay, and he has the complete deed of the property that Sarah Sharp Wynne lived in. He said the address of the property is 2406 N. 52nd street, and the entrance originally was on 54th but now on 52nd. He is mailing me a copy of the deed and I also asked him for a current picture... I would love to compare it with the pictures you have and the history you have of the family. Will talk more about it after Cancun on my return on the 29th. Hugs Cuz Becky ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance !"

Hi guys. I got an idea earlier today and thought I would share it with you. I think I will get a book on the Amish in PA as a gift to the school library. And it occurred to me that some of you might be able to find books appropriate to the primary level that would describe something unique to the area where you live or the history of the Welsh in your area of the country or something like that - Texas Alamo, mining in MN, and like that. Just a thought. JoanII

Dear Cuz Joan II Not a bad idea! Hugs Cuz B ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance !" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Bretz" <jbretz1@earthlink.net> To: <WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: [WGS] Idea for Primary School Visit > Hi guys. I got an idea earlier today and thought I would share it with > you. I think I will get a book on the Amish in PA as a gift to the school > library. And it occurred to me that some of you might be able to find > books appropriate to the primary level that would describe something > unique to the area where you live or the history of the Welsh in your > area of the country or something like that - Texas Alamo, mining in MN, > and like that. Just a thought. > > JoanII > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Dear Amy, I am sure that there are cheaper things...but I am going by a general outline of what Mayor Phillip said about the menu's... he said the evening meal would be around $20.00 with your meal, drink etc... I am trying to give you what I think they MOST you will pay is.... Of course you can amend that according to what you order. At the Cherry Pie Inn... this is the menu for £10:95 Three Courses £10:95 Soup of the day Florida Cocktail Various Fruit juices Tomato Juice Chilled Melon Egg Mayonnaise Roast Welsh Lamb with mint sauce Roast Beef with Yorkshire pudding and horseradish sauce Roast Turkey with stuffing and cranberry sauce Fillet of Plaice with tartare sauce Grilled local Trout with tartare sauce Deep fried Scampi with tartare sauce All main dishes are served with two vegetables of the day Roast and boiled potatoes or French fries or baked potatoes A selection of vegetarian meals are available Cherry pie (flan base) with cream Banana split Meringue glacé Peach or Pear melba Hot chocolate fudge cake Brandy snaps Various ices Or Cheese and biscuits Freshly Brewed Coffee.£0:95 Speciality Coffees....£2:95 So take it from there.... Hugs Cuz Becky ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance !" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Humphries" <amyhumphries@gmail.com> To: <WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WGS] Wales Trip - Money > On 4/21/06, The Thill Group, Inc. <ttg-inc@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> Dear Cuz Amy, and everyone >> >> >> Dinner Cherry Pie Inn, shouldn't be more than $20 USDollars or £11.25 >> GBP >> http://www.thecherrypieinn.co.uk/welcome.htm > > > > Their menu seemed pretty pricey, like it would come to a lot more than > that. £10.95 just for chicken. > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

On 4/21/06, The Thill Group, Inc. <ttg-inc@comcast.net> wrote: > > Dear Cuz Amy, and everyone > > > Dinner Cherry Pie Inn, shouldn't be more than $20 USDollars or £11.25 GBP > http://www.thecherrypieinn.co.uk/welcome.htm Their menu seemed pretty pricey, like it would come to a lot more than that. £10.95 just for chicken.

CONCERT TICKETS Got a confirmation from Mayor Phillip for the 9 tickets we are buying for the Concert... and the cost for the fuel for the bus. The Concert tickets are $8.91 USD or £5.00 each x 9 = £45.00 [$80.1811 USDollars] £45.00 [$80.1811 USDollars] divided by 25 attending = £1.80 [$3.207244 USDollars] each person So I will need £1.80 from each of the 25 WGS members when we get to Wales. [to give to Mayor Phillip] BUS COST Mayor Phillip says to plan on $40.00 Dollars [£22.00 each] But they wont know till they make the trip from Manchester to the airport, and the first day of the trip, so they can mark gas mileage etc. He say it is probably going to be less but he doesn't want you to be short if it turns out to be $40.00 Dollars [£22.00 each]. Okie dokie... Since no one e-mailed screaming... all must be well. You only have tonight to tell me if there is a problem. Hugs Cuz B.... ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance !"

Cuz Becky, What you propose on transport for archive morning sounds reasonable - we'll make it work! I'm racing out the door, we're out of pocket for the next few days. I'll be back on line by early next week. Have a great time in Cancun - just got back from there Thursday a week ago - we'll have to compare notes later. Hugs, Cuz'n Susan -------------- Original message from "The Thill Group, Inc." <ttg-inc@comcast.net>: -------------- > Dear Cuz Betty, > Thank you as always your a trouper... > In the Itinerary e-mail I just sent I suggest that Cada Grove, Dick and Bob > Quigley ride to Hawarden in time to meet and follow the bus.. or go > straight to Mold and meet us... Then all the girls are on the Bus and the > boys can hang together..=) > Put your two cents in if Dick isn't game. > Love Cuz Becky

Dang I forgot there is also the Bus/petrol cost... it is going to be $30.00 to $40.00 for each person that will be in the Bus. No Bus cost to Susan & Cada Grove and Alice Neff, Mr/Mrs Jones, Janet Hurzeler, Susan Frampton & Debbie and Brian Hunter as they are donating their cars. Hugs Becky ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance !" ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Thill Group, Inc." <ttg-inc@comcast.net> To: <WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [WGS] Wales Trip - Money > Dear Cuz Amy, and everyone > > 1. Exchange USDollars for Great Britin Pounds in US or use ATM in > Manchester Airport or Wales for your cash. > Friday April 21st, 2006 > $1.00 USDollars = £.0562252 United Kingdom Pounds > OR > £1.00 GBP = 1.77863 USDollars > > 2. No travelers Check allowed > 3. Very little use of Credit Cards in small towns of Wales..so will need > cash. > > 4. What kind of money is needed for Wales trip.... > These are costs as I know them could be more could be less so the numbers > I give for Days total is the cheapest your going to get by with. > > THURSDAY > Lunch - Free on Hosts or Mayor Phillip > Primary School Free > Bron Fadoc Free > Ruthin Common Goal - adults £3.00 - senior citizen £2.00 - > http://www.ruthingaol.co.uk/English.htm > Denbigh Town and out side of Castle free I think > http://www.denbigh.com/castle.html > Dinner Cherry Pie Inn, shouldn't be more than $20 USDollars or £11.25 GBP > http://www.thecherrypieinn.co.uk/welcome.htm > Days Total = According to what you spend .. or $23.00 or £14.25 > pounds > > FRIDAY > Hawarden Archives > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult_details.asp?LR=208 > Can't find a cost, but can't be more than $5 USDollars or £2.85 pounds > Lunch/free at County Reception. > Tower Nercwys Wynne Tower don't think there is a cost > Ysceifiog Church Free > Mezzaluna Restaurant shouldn't be more than $20 USDollars or £11.25 GBP > http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/entertainment/eatingout/tm_objectid=13255463%26method=full%26siteid=50142%26headline=mezzaluna%2d%2dcaerwys-name_page.html > Town Reception/Concert 9 x $8.50 USD [£4.77803 pounds] = $76.50 USD > [£43.0023 pounds] divided by 25 = $3.06 USD or £1.72019 pounds a piece. > Concert Raffle no more than $8.50 USD [£4.77803 pounds] [I think it is a > choice as to how much but Mayor Phillip say standard is about $5.00 USD > [£2.80982 pounds] > Royal Oak Pub, according to how much you drink. > Day total = $33.06 or according to what you spend > > SATURDAY > St. Michaels free > Bodnant Gardens Adults £6.00/$10.6736 USdollars - Parties of 20+ > £5.00/$8.89973 USdollars http://www.bodnantgarden.co.uk/open.html > Lunch at venders around Bodnant Gardens $10.00 USDollars max/ £5.60844 > pounds > Gwydir Castle Adult £3.50/$6.22981 USdollars, > http://www.gwydircastle.co.uk/ > Dinner Pwllgwyn Hotel, Afonwen shouldn't be more than $20 USDollars or > £11.25 GBP > The Piccadilly Pub, according to how much you drink. > Day total = $38.15 or according to what you spend > > SUNDAY > ST. Winifred's Holy Well, I don't see a cost on any pages can't be much > if anything http://www.welshdragon.net/resources/sacred/stwinifred.shtml > LLANDUDNO Victorian town and sea side place, great for exploring and > shoping. cost is up to you. > Lunch at venders $10.00 USDollars max/ £5.60844 pounds > PENRHYN CASTLE Adults £8.00/$14.2399 USDollars > http://www.castleuk.net/castle_lists_wales/115/penrhyncastle.htm > BLACK CAT RESTAURANT - DINNER shouldn't be more than $20 USDollars or > £11.25 GBP > BODFARI CHURCH free > Day total = $44.24 or according to what you spend > > Then add drinks/pops/water, snacks, trinkets etc while traveling and > while at airport etc. > I pesonally am taking $500.00 out of the ATMs while in Wales... but > probably wont spend that much. > > Hugs Cuz B > ttg-inc@comcast.net > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ > "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we > might > as well dance !" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Humphries" <amyhumphries@gmail.com> > To: <WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:45 AM > Subject: Re: [WGS] Wales Trip - comments > > >> Joan thinks like me! I picked out dessert at the Cherry Pie Inn too, >> and >> have also been wondering about money. But being unemployed for 10 >> months >> makes a person think about money alot. :) What do you think would be >> a >> good amount to withdrawl when we get to Manchester? >> >> On 4/20/06, Joan Bretz <jbretz1@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>> Well, I have been perusing the itinerary some more. I plan to have a >>> Crème >>> de Menthe Bombe for dessert at the Cherry Pie Inn! > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Dear Cuz Amy, and everyone 1. Exchange USDollars for Great Britin Pounds in US or use ATM in Manchester Airport or Wales for your cash. Friday April 21st, 2006 $1.00 USDollars = £.0562252 United Kingdom Pounds OR £1.00 GBP = 1.77863 USDollars 2. No travelers Check allowed 3. Very little use of Credit Cards in small towns of Wales..so will need cash. 4. What kind of money is needed for Wales trip.... These are costs as I know them could be more could be less so the numbers I give for Days total is the cheapest your going to get by with. THURSDAY Lunch - Free on Hosts or Mayor Phillip Primary School Free Bron Fadoc Free Ruthin Common Goal - adults £3.00 - senior citizen £2.00 - http://www.ruthingaol.co.uk/English.htm Denbigh Town and out side of Castle free I think http://www.denbigh.com/castle.html Dinner Cherry Pie Inn, shouldn't be more than $20 USDollars or £11.25 GBP http://www.thecherrypieinn.co.uk/welcome.htm Days Total = According to what you spend .. or $23.00 or £14.25 pounds FRIDAY Hawarden Archives http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult_details.asp?LR=208 Can't find a cost, but can't be more than $5 USDollars or £2.85 pounds Lunch/free at County Reception. Tower Nercwys Wynne Tower don't think there is a cost Ysceifiog Church Free Mezzaluna Restaurant shouldn't be more than $20 USDollars or £11.25 GBP http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/entertainment/eatingout/tm_objectid=13255463%26method=full%26siteid=50142%26headline=mezzaluna%2d%2dcaerwys-name_page.html Town Reception/Concert 9 x $8.50 USD [£4.77803 pounds] = $76.50 USD [£43.0023 pounds] divided by 25 = $3.06 USD or £1.72019 pounds a piece. Concert Raffle no more than $8.50 USD [£4.77803 pounds] [I think it is a choice as to how much but Mayor Phillip say standard is about $5.00 USD [£2.80982 pounds] Royal Oak Pub, according to how much you drink. Day total = $33.06 or according to what you spend SATURDAY St. Michaels free Bodnant Gardens Adults £6.00/$10.6736 USdollars - Parties of 20+ £5.00/$8.89973 USdollars http://www.bodnantgarden.co.uk/open.html Lunch at venders around Bodnant Gardens $10.00 USDollars max/ £5.60844 pounds Gwydir Castle Adult £3.50/$6.22981 USdollars, http://www.gwydircastle.co.uk/ Dinner Pwllgwyn Hotel, Afonwen shouldn't be more than $20 USDollars or £11.25 GBP The Piccadilly Pub, according to how much you drink. Day total = $38.15 or according to what you spend SUNDAY ST. Winifred's Holy Well, I don't see a cost on any pages can't be much if anything http://www.welshdragon.net/resources/sacred/stwinifred.shtml LLANDUDNO Victorian town and sea side place, great for exploring and shoping. cost is up to you. Lunch at venders $10.00 USDollars max/ £5.60844 pounds PENRHYN CASTLE Adults £8.00/$14.2399 USDollars http://www.castleuk.net/castle_lists_wales/115/penrhyncastle.htm BLACK CAT RESTAURANT - DINNER shouldn't be more than $20 USDollars or £11.25 GBP BODFARI CHURCH free Day total = $44.24 or according to what you spend Then add drinks/pops/water, snacks, trinkets etc while traveling and while at airport etc. I pesonally am taking $500.00 out of the ATMs while in Wales... but probably wont spend that much. Hugs Cuz B ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance !" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Humphries" <amyhumphries@gmail.com> To: <WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [WGS] Wales Trip - comments > Joan thinks like me! I picked out dessert at the Cherry Pie Inn too, and > have also been wondering about money. But being unemployed for 10 months > makes a person think about money alot. :) What do you think would be a > good amount to withdrawl when we get to Manchester? > > On 4/20/06, Joan Bretz <jbretz1@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> Well, I have been perusing the itinerary some more. I plan to have a >> Crème >> de Menthe Bombe for dessert at the Cherry Pie Inn!

Dear Cuz Betty, Thank you as always your a trouper... In the Itinerary e-mail I just sent I suggest that Cada Grove, Dick and Bob Quigley ride to Hawarden in time to meet and follow the bus.. or go straight to Mold and meet us... Then all the girls are on the Bus and the boys can hang together..=) Put your two cents in if Dick isn't game. Love Cuz Becky ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance !" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Mcgehee" <bdmcgehee@cox.net> To: <WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [WGS] Wales Trip - comments > Becky, I haven't looked at the web page & will but I haven't worried > about > the time, when, or why we are doing these things. Just planning on being > there & a part of the group, seeing what I can, doing what I can, & being > glad I could finally make it to Wales. Betty > ----- Original Message ----- >

Dear Cuz's, I have solutions, and this is the last of the changes to the Itinerary. I leave Saturday Morning for Cancun so I will not have time to mess with this today [Friday, it is 2:07 am] I will be packing..and just jumping in "here and there" today to check messages.. but I have to get this settled before I leave Saturday, so read carefully and shout out if you have a major problem here! Churches/Cemetery's Heard back from Mayor Phillip, He says that the three cemetery's are very small, he says "Generally every x hundreds of years the stones are cleared for fresh ones." He does not believe it will take longer than 30 minutes to look at any one of the cemetery's that are there. Solution: removing the Tower Nercwys [Wynne of Tower] visit gives us more time at Ysceifiog Church. removing or shortening the time at Bodnant Gardens [80 acres of formal gardens nice restful place to see] and extend the St. Michael's Caerwys church/Cemetery time We can take flash lights to Bodfari Church. =) Bron Fadoc/ Ruthin Common Goal Mayor Phillip says "We can stay there longer [at Bron Fadoc], Mike and Fliss have no problem with that. Ruthin Goal closes at 5.00pm and the last entry time is 4.00pm. At Bron Fadoc you would only see the outside and their lounge area but Ruthin Goal you would be walking around and seeing lots of interesting historical things. Anyway, we shall stay later in Bron Fadoc and less time in Ruthin." Solution: We go to Bron Fadoc, Do what we wish then leave for Ruthin Goal, just wont have as much time there at Ruthin.. Hawarden Archives and the Non Hawarden Archives members... Everyone get on the bus and smile. Now this is the contortions that need to happen.... Read carefully.......... [yes I going to have a drink after typing this one!] Cada Grove needs to drive to Hawarden in time for our departure. =) Betty McGehee, Dick can either ride the bus or he can talk to Cada about going with him to Hawarden in time for us to leave for Mold. Dick then needs to ride the bus with us to Mold or work it out with Susan and Cada. Alice, If one of the girls that are staying at Plas Penucha will ride to Mold with Susan and Cada Grove, Or if Dick will ride with Susan and Cada Grove to Mold. Then you have a place on the bus. Susan & Cada Grove, Janet Beard [who's out of town], and Mary Alice Shaw are at the Plas Penucha, Susan and Cada Grove were going to follow the Bus with their car on our trips. Mary Alice Shaw and Janet Beard were going to ride the bus on our trips. Mary Alice and Janet will ride into Caerwys from Plas Penucha with Susan & Cada Grove to get to the bus and back to the hotel. Susan Grove will be in the car with her hubby from Hawarden to Mold, unless she switches with Dick McGehee. OR Does Bob Quigley/Dick McGehee and Cada Grove want to ride behind the bus as the male car and the Girls ride the bus? If the Guys wont ride together can Mary Alice Shaw ride to Mold from Hawarden with your hubby and Who ever? If the Guys wont ride together, Mary Alice do you mind riding with Susan/or who ever and Cada to Mold... And in that way Mr/Mrs Jones, Janet Hurzeler, Susan Frampton & Debbie and Brian Hunter don't have to come back to Hawarden to get Alice Neff, and she could then ride the bus. Ok is that clear??? My Solution, Cada Grove, Dick McGehee, & Bob Quigley ride in the car to Hawarden at the time of departure for Mold. Or They can go straight to mold as they don't have to pick anyone up! The rest of us ride the bus. Done You tell me. Hugs Becky ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance !"

Dear Cuz's, Want to introduce a new cuz! She has been lurking on the list. She is from those Wynne's that didn't leave the Wynnestay area, stayed right there in Lower Merion forever! Cuz Janet Beard you may want to talk with Cuz Gainor as she is part of your line..... WELCOME CUZ Gainer Johnston!!! Here is her line: 1 Thomas Wynne .... +Martha Elizabeth Buttall 2 Jonathan Wynne ...... +Sarah Greaves .. 3 Thomas Wynne ........ +Mary Warner .... 4 Thomas Wynne .......... +Margaret Coulton ....... 5 Thomas Wynne ............. +Elizabeth Rees ......... 6 Susanna Wynne ............... +Jacob Duffield ........... 7 Zebulon Pike Duffield ................. +Margaret Kreider ............. 8 Susan Wynne Duffield ................... +James Butler ................ 9 Lidie Butler ...................... +William E. Clear .................. 10 Dorothy Butler Clear ........................ +William King Allen .................... 11 Suzanne Wynne Allen .......................... +Robert James Johnston ....................... 12 Gainor Wynne Johnston .............................. +James F. Breslin Cuz Gainor, below is Census I found since our conversation earlier for your folks! Welcome on Board!!! 1850 US Census, Philadelphia North Mulberry Ward, Philadelpihia Cty., PA, Enumerated 26th day of July 1850, Pg 654 113/121 Jacob Duffield 55 M Clerk $2500 PA Elizabeth " 23 F PA Thomas " 21 M Painter PA Phoebe " 15 F PA Samuel "13 M PA Edward " 23 M Purcer PA 1860 US Cencus, Lower Merion, Montgomery Cty., PA, Pg 69, Post Office Cabinet, Enumerated 16th day of July 1860 478/484 Zebulon Duffield 34 M Blacksmith 1000 PA Margaret " 26 F PA Susan " 10 F PA William " 8 M PA Catharine " 6 F PA Frances " 4 F PA Samuel " 8 M PA Mary Hall 50 F PA Saml Duffield 22 M Blacksmith PA. 1870 US Census, Lower Merion, Montgomery Cty., PA, Pg 122, Post Office, Gen. Wayne, Enumerated 9th day of September 1870 881/890 Duffield Zebulon 44 M W Blacksmith 4000/600 PA Duffield Margaret 36 F W Keep House PA Duffield Kate 15 F W Home PA Duffield Frank 13 M W Home PA Duffield Samuel 10 M W Home PA Duffield Hannah 8 F W Home PA Duffield Edward 5 M W Home PA Duffield Harry 2 M W Home PA Duffield Lilian 2 F W Home PA Duffield Lewis T 1 M W Home PA 1880 US Census, District 11, Lower Merion, Montgomery Cty., PA, Merionville, 81/82 Duffield Zebbulon W M 54 Head M Shoemaker PA PA PA Duffield Margaret S. W F 43 Wife M Keeping House PA PA PA Duffield Frances M W M 21 Son S Milkman PA PA PA Duffield Samuel W M 20 Son S Laborer PA PA PA Duffield Edward W M 15 Son S Laborer PA PA PA Duffield Harry W M 12 Son S At School PA PA PA Duffield Lillie W F 12 Daughter S At School PA PA PA Duffield Lewis W M 10 Son S At School PA PA PA Duffield Mary W F 8 Daughter S At School PA PA PA . 1880 US Census, District 33, Lower Merion, Montgomery Cty., PA, Pg 49, Supervisors Dist No 4, Enumeration Dist No 13 Enumerated 26th Day of June, 1880 398/410 Butler James W M Head 44 M Farmer PA PA PA Butler Susan W. W F Wife 29M Keeping House PA PA PA Butler Joseph W M 10 Son S At School PA PA PA Butler Magee W F 7 Daughter S At School PA PA PA Butler Lidie W F 4 S Daughter S PA PA PA Butler Charles W M 21 S Farm Laborer PA PA PA Butler John W M 21 S Farm Laborer PA PA PA Thomas Albert W M 21 Farm Laborer PA PA PA 1920 US Census, District 111, Lower Merion, Montgomery Cty., PA, Enumerated 5th of January 1920, Sheet No. 4B Supervisors Dist. 3rd, Enuerators Dist 111 108 Upland Terrace 66/76 Clear, William E. Head R M W 46 M Yes Yes PA PA PA Teller Bank Clear, Lidie Wife F W 42 M Yes Yes PA PA PA None Clear, Dorothy Daughter F W 19 S No Yes Yes PA PA PA Yes Stenographer Paper Mfg. Co. Clear, William Son M W 14 S Yes Yes Yes PA PA PA None Clear Sue Mother F W 78 Wd - Yes Yes PA . Hugs Cuz Becky ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance !"

Becky, Dick will go along & loaf while we are at the archives so the group is together. He & Cad might find things to do. He will cooperate so that things can go smoothly & with less fuss. I didn't think there was much to see or do in Caerwys but it sounds like there are things to do in the other location. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Alice" <maryalice@frontiernet.net> To: <WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [WGS] Wales - RESPOND NOW!!! Archives, transportation to Mold etc > Dear Cuz B -- > > I'll go with the local ladies/committee doing the craft centre/shopping or > wherever they want to take me! With only 4 days, I don't want to chill out. > I want to burn the candle at both ends! I'd also be happy probably just > walking around the countryside. :-) > > Mary Alice > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Thill Group, Inc." <ttg-inc@comcast.net> > To: <WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:24 AM > Subject: [WGS] Wales - RESPOND NOW!!! Archives, transportation to Mold etc > > > > Dear Cuz's, > > Trying to work the kinks out of the itinerary [which is fantastic by > > the way!!! you will see later today]. > > I need the following people to RESPOND NOW!!!! Susan Wright, Ida Cann, > > Joyce/Bob, Sharon Underhill, Dick McGehee, Janet Beard, Mary Alice Shaw, > > Cada Grove, Alice Neff for [Debbie/Brian Hunter, Mr. & Mrs Jones, Janet > > Hurzeler, Susan Frampton]. > > > > Problem: I need to know what the people NOT going to the Archives are > > going to be doing. We are working on the issue of the Bus being at the > > Archives, and having to get the people to Mold for the reception, and > > Mayor Phillip is trying to work out transportation issues. > > > > Why: Two of the people are in Host family homes [Susan Wright, Ida > > Cann]. The host families [all of them not just these two] work during the > > week so after breakfast they expect the WGS members to be gone touring. So > > their homes are not unattended when they are at work. I think that is > > reasonable. The rest of the members who are not going to the Archives are > > staying at the Ashgrove apartments or the Plas Penucha. > > Mayor Phillip has suggested that all the members not going to the > > Archives to go with us to Hawarden, but go visit the town or hang out in > > one of the cafe's etc. until we get done and then we can leave directly > > for the reception in Mold, not having to deal with going back to Caerwys > > to pick people up. [time factor]. > > I told him that I was afraid that some wanted to just chill out in > > Caerwys while they had the chance. He said "then the local Woman's > > Institute and an other committee have offered to host anyone who does not > > want to attend the Archives - they will take them to a local craft > > centre". He was not getting the fact that we could be unattended in > > Caerwys I guess, and needed to be entertained, so comes the questions. > > > > Questions: > > 1. Do Joyce/Bob, Joan II, Merle and Linda & Sharon [two different > > apartments at Ashgrove, have a problem with the other members crashing at > > your apartments while we others go to the Archives? > > Which brings us down to, "What do you guys want to do that are not going > > to the Archives.", I need an honest Answer. > > 2. How many want to go to the "Local craft Centre" shopping with the > > Women's Institute ladies and the other committee? > > 3. How many want to do their own thing and just hang out in Caerwys, at > > the Ashgrove Apartments [if the Ashgrove Apartment members agree].. > > knowing that most things are closed during the day, no restaurants are > > open till lunch. This is a very little town, less than 6 streets I > > believe. > > 4. Alice Neff, Will your group be joining us in Mold, or are they going to > > come to Caerwys before the reception? > > > > Ok here is the breakdown of everyone..... > > People NOT going to Archives who need transportation: 8 people with out > > cars > > 6 in Jones's car > > 1 in Cada Grove's car > > = 15. > > See names below for who is and isn't going to archives: > > NOT GOING > > 1 Susan Wright - not going [with a host family, George and Carol > > Gallagher] > > 2 Ida Cann- not going [with a host family, Gaynor & Steve Griffith] > > 3 & 4 Joyce & Bob Quigley- not going [Ashgrove Apt.] > > 5 Sharon Underhill - not going [Ashgrove Apt.] > > 6 Dick McGehee - not going [Ashgrove Apt.] > > 7 Janet Beard - not going [Plas Penucha] > > 8 Mary Alice Shaw- not going [Plas Penucha] > > 9 Cada Grove - not going [Plas Penucha] > > 10 & 11 Debbie & Brian Hunter - not going [will meet us in Caerwys or at > > Mold.. your choice, she is transported by the Jones's who she and her mom > > Alice Neff is staying with] > > 12 & 13 Mr. & Mrs. Jones - not going [see Debbie Hunter] > > 14 & 15 Janet Hurzeler, Susan Frampton - not going [see Debbie Hunter] > > > > GOING > > People Going to Archives then to Mold Reception on Bus: 10 > > 1. Amy Humphries - go > > 2. Betty McGehee - go if possible > > 3. Joan II B. - go > > 4. Merle M. - go > > 5. Joyce Gail - go if possible > > 6. Vi -go > > 7. Becky - go > > 8. Alice Neff - go > > 9. Susan Grove - go > > 10. Linda Shabo - go > > > > Once we get to Mold the WGS members will divide up into appropriate > > transportation to get back to Caerwys then to Dinner and Concert, Which is > > 16 in Bus, 7 in Jones's Van, 2 in Grove car. > > > > Ok please RESPOND!!!! I need answers fast. > > Hugs Cuz B > > ttg-inc@comcast.net > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ > > "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might > > as well dance !" > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Becky, I haven't looked at the web page & will but I haven't worried about the time, when, or why we are doing these things. Just planning on being there & a part of the group, seeing what I can, doing what I can, & being glad I could finally make it to Wales. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Thill Group, Inc." <ttg-inc@comcast.net> To: <WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:17 PM Subject: [WGS] Wales Trip - comments > Dear Cuz's, > Just to set the record straight. Joan is not the only one that asked > about the time at the Bron Fadoc. Her's happens to be the only one that > went to the group the others came to me personally. So I don't want Joan to > think I was slamming at her. I am not. > Mayor Phillip and I and several others in Wales have been sending a > GAZILLION e-mails back an forth trying to make you guys the Best Trip > possible. > I have gone out of my way trying to get responses from you guys on > issues I feel you will have a problem with. I have called several of you to > ask your opinion or if you had a problem with certain things to the point > that I am sure Alice Neff will probably not answer my next phone call. > [Just want to be sure your group is handled, Alice truly!!] > At this point, I wish we could all just be happy with the trip. I am > working on the length of times at the cemetery's. I believe that Mayor > Phillip has already scoped out the area's where there will be graves from > our time frame, if any at all. but I am working on that.... > As far as the Bron Fadoc, sorry guys but I can't see where we would be > spending more time than that other than to just stand around looking at the > building and dreaming about his time... and if we need to do that..then we > push back the Ruthin Prison or Cancel it even though that is the only way I > am going to get to see it. and take less of a break before dinner etc. > > I need to know what you guys want. > Cuz Becky > ttg-inc@comcast.net > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ > "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might > as well dance !" > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/319 - Release Date: 4/19/2006 > >

Actually, I think it might be very bright and light still in Wales at 7 pm. At least the May trip I took in Eire was bright till 10 pm! Cuz Mary Alice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Bretz" <jbretz1@earthlink.net> To: <WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:20 AM Subject: Re: [WGS] Wales Trip - comments > Well, I have been perusing the itinerary some more. I plan to have a > Crème de Menthe Bombe for dessert at the Cherry Pie Inn! Some time later, > having perused much more of the itinerary, I have another question. Can > we get into the church where Dr Thomas and his family was baptized at 7 pm > and how can we see anything in the cemetery at that hour - presumably, > like it is here, it will be rather darkish? > > The itinerary itself is beginning to grow on me. We will be seeing quite > a number of historical places in Wales, and not just those directly > related to the Wynne family. And I would suggest that those going to > Wales, if they haven't done so already, check out the links given with the > itinerary. Among other things, you will find pictures of Mayor Philip, our > host. Thanks for explaining about Bron Fadoc and the gaol - that's all I > needed. > > Also a question, which may already have been discussed. Do we need to > budget for the entrance fees at gaols, castles, botanical gardens, etc.? > And if so, what would be an overall rough estimate of that amount? > > Back to the drawing board I guess for clothing to wear - the receptions > all seem to be connected to our daytime activities so would be less formal > than I had originally thought. > > Wow, only three more weeks. Maybe enough time to recover from the last > days of the tax season and the long hourse necessary to close down the > office. > > See some of you soon. > > JoanII > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/319 - Release Date: 4/19/2006 > >

Dear Cuz's, I have placed an e-mail to the Ruthin Common Goal asking if there is any part that still exists that would have been there when Dr. Thomas Wynne was imprisoned. I will await the response from them. Here is the source: "From Ysgeifiog to Pennsylvania; The Rise of Thomas Wynne, Quaker Barber-Surgeon" By Professor Geraint H. Jenkins, BA, PhD, DLitt, FBA, Director of the Centre, University of Wales Centre for Advanced Welsh & Celtic Studies. "Thomas Wynne was one of those, according to the testimony of John Humphreys, who chose 'to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season'.23 He seems to have involved himself in the first place with Denbighshire Quakers in his wife's home-town. Wrexham had earned itself a reputation among royalists as 'the most factious town in Wales'.24 There, vigorous Quaker proselytes like the draper, Brian Sixsmith, were declaring the Word of the Lord openly and distributing what Denbighshire magistrates judged to be 'seditious and offensive books'.25 On 1 December 1661, Thomas Wynne, Brian Sixsmith, Nathaniel Buttall (Wynne's brother-in-law), William Lewis, a corvisor, John ap Edward, a butcher, and several others were dragged from their meeting-house by soldiers and charged with unlawful assembly. They were taken with a mittimus from constable to constable and were eventually thrust into the common gaol at Ruthin.26 Wynne may have remained there for six years.27 If so, it was a singularly uncomfortable and distressing experience. Prisons were damp, ill-ventilated and insanitary places. Captives were forced to spend night and day in filth and excrement. In 1661, some Merionethshire Quakers were locked away in 'a nasty close Hole' normally used to keep hogs.28 The stench was often so overpowering that prisoners lost their appetite for the meagre rations which were offered to them. Some Friends died in prison. Others recovered their freedom but were never the same again. But many, too, lived to fight another day, knowing, as Richard Davies declared, that the Lord had promised to be with His people 'in all their troubles and exercises'.29 During Wynne's imprisonment, Quakers began recruiting followers in Flintshire. During his famous tour of Wales in 1657, George Fox had' sounded ye day of ye Lord' through the towns of Flintshire,30 and, in a letter to Fox on 11 June 1663, Thomas Holme mentioned having held a meeting in the county during his journeys in North Wales.31 In 1665, John Baddely, John Newton and twelve other Quakers were thrust into the county gaol at Ruthin 'for meeting to worship God and for not swearing'.32 By the 1670s, however, the twin cornerstones of the Quaker movement in Flintshire were Thomas Wynne's home at Bron Fadog and Richard ap Thomas's home in the parish of Whitford. These two Quaker gentlemen took on the responsibility of building up membership, organizing meetings and burial places 'for ye people of God'.33 " Please note he was not in there for 6 years because he had two kids in Caerwys during that time. Hugs Cuz Becky ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance !" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Shabo" <ljshabo@bellsouth.net> To: <WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: [WGS] [Fwd: Oops? Wrong goal or jail] > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Oops? Wrong goal or jail > Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:27:52 -0500 > From: Linda Shabo <ljshabo@bellsouth.net> > To: The Thill Group, Inc. <ttg-inc@comcast.net> > > > > http://www.ruthincastle.co.uk/mediaeval-banquets/index.html > http://www.ruthincastle.co.uk/index.htm > > Ruthin Gaol was built in 1775 and has recently been redeveloped and > restored as a visitor attraction and as a home for the County Archives at > a cost of over £1 million It looks like they did not preserve prison > where Thomas Wynne was imprisoned. > http://www.ruthincastle.co.uk/location-attractions/index.html > > > I have egg on my face. The goal was not built until long after Thomas > Wynne died (1692 versus 1775). Copied info. is from last link. > > Maybe we should consider substituting, if possible, the castle which is > associated with our direct ancestor .Edward Langford, Constable of Ruthin > > Castle (source of our line which goes back to Charlemagne); he died in > 1466. > > Paying for a banquet in the castle would be a bit pricey, but we should > be able to maybe see the castle? > > What do you think? > > Becky, you are super and doing a super job. > > Hugs, > Linda > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

County archives (Ruthin) are recent records like this century mostly and pertain to Denbighshire. Thomas Wynne's Flintshire had different boundaries and at one point they were reorgnized as part of Clywd. Current is Flintshire, but not for Ruthin in Denbighshire. Hugs, Linda

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Oops? Wrong goal or jail Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:27:52 -0500 From: Linda Shabo <ljshabo@bellsouth.net> To: The Thill Group, Inc. <ttg-inc@comcast.net> http://www.ruthincastle.co.uk/mediaeval-banquets/index.html http://www.ruthincastle.co.uk/index.htm Ruthin Gaol was built in 1775 and has recently been redeveloped and restored as a visitor attraction and as a home for the County Archives at a cost of over £1 million It looks like they did not preserve prison where Thomas Wynne was imprisoned. http://www.ruthincastle.co.uk/location-attractions/index.html I have egg on my face. The goal was not built until long after Thomas Wynne died (1692 versus 1775). Copied info. is from last link. Maybe we should consider substituting, if possible, the castle which is associated with our direct ancestor .Edward Langford, Constable of Ruthin Castle (source of our line which goes back to Charlemagne); he died in 1466. Paying for a banquet in the castle would be a bit pricey, but we should be able to maybe see the castle? What do you think? Becky, you are super and doing a super job. Hugs, Linda

Dear Becky, Thank you. That is a great itinerary. Marlene, Debbie and Janet, etc, The link to the itinerary is below. I am writing this as though I know what our group "family" is doing, and ccing the others so they can let me know what their feelings are. The biggest questions are whether Marlene and Mervyn can attend the things during the day Thursday and Friday when they may be at work. And whether we will arrive from London by car by 1:40 on Thursday. So, my ideas are: Our group will try to meet you in Bron Fadoc, Thursday at 1:40 We will follow you to Ruthin Goal, Denbigh Castle, and then join you for dinner at the Cherry Pie Inn. I will get a ride and meet you Friday morning at the Archives in Hawarden. The rest of the group will find something else to do Friday morning. I would like to ride on the bus to Mold, if I may. The rest of the group will join us in Mold at 1:00 p.m. for the reception. We will follow the bus to the "Wynne of Tower" and to Ysceifiog We will meet you for dinner at the Mezzaluna and go to the concert. Saturday we will meet you and follow the bus to the church and gardens and castle. We will meet you for dinner at the Pwllgwyn Hotel. Here we will say "Goodbye". We are so grateful to be able to spend this time with you and be included in this great adventure. You will never know the thrill it is to have found you. I hope to see you all at the next reunion. Sunday we will break away, but the things you have planned sound great. What a treat. Thank you, Alice ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Thill Group, Inc." <ttg-inc@comcast.net> To: <WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:21 PM Subject: [WGS] WALES - Itinerary!!! > Dear Cuz's, > I have posted our itinerary on my website.. check it out!! > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/Wales/wgsitinerary.html > > I have posted my notes in burgundy [reddish color letters]. There is some > fine tuning that needs to be done..and some things might change..but > basically that is our foundation of our trip... And what a trip it will be. > > I took an made links to things we are going to see so that you can learn > more about them before we get there. > I know this is going to be an exceptional trip for us all!!!! > > Are we excited yet?????? > Hugs Cuz B > > ttg-inc@comcast.net > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ > "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might > as well dance !" > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/319 - Release Date: 4/19/06 > >

Dear Cousins, For me, I don't see any room, for any one that is going to Wales, to complain about anything on the itinerary. Becky was the one invited over to Wales in the first place a couple of years back. She has bent over backwards for us to go with her as our WGS group. I know her and Mayor Phillip have worked very hard on making this trip a trip of a lifetime for us. There are some of us getting to go that this is a TRIP OF A LIFETIME, so no matter how long of time we are at a certain place or where we go, we should enjoy every minute of it. I know I will. I thank Becky for including us. I appreciate her hard work and making this possible for all of us. Love Joyce Gail -----Original Message----- From: The Thill Group, Inc. [mailto:ttg-inc@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:17 PM To: WYNNE-GENEALOGY-SOCIETY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WGS] Wales Trip - comments Dear Cuz's, Just to set the record straight. Joan is not the only one that asked about the time at the Bron Fadoc. Her's happens to be the only one that went to the group the others came to me personally. So I don't want Joan to think I was slamming at her. I am not. Mayor Phillip and I and several others in Wales have been sending a GAZILLION e-mails back an forth trying to make you guys the Best Trip possible. I have gone out of my way trying to get responses from you guys on issues I feel you will have a problem with. I have called several of you to ask your opinion or if you had a problem with certain things to the point that I am sure Alice Neff will probably not answer my next phone call. [Just want to be sure your group is handled, Alice truly!!] At this point, I wish we could all just be happy with the trip. I am working on the length of times at the cemetery's. I believe that Mayor Phillip has already scoped out the area's where there will be graves from our time frame, if any at all. but I am working on that.... As far as the Bron Fadoc, sorry guys but I can't see where we would be spending more time than that other than to just stand around looking at the building and dreaming about his time... and if we need to do that..then we push back the Ruthin Prison or Cancel it even though that is the only way I am going to get to see it. and take less of a break before dinner etc. I need to know what you guys want. Cuz Becky ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ "Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance !" ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx