Dear Marged Thank you for this insight- both my father and 2nd cousin were also in Gallipoli - my father survived - his cousin who enlisted with him, did not - so many sacrifices made by so many men! April On 4 Jun 2012, at 09:45, Marged wrote: > Thank you for this information, Nirvard - I will be trying to get photographs of graves from this site. Both my grandfathers died in WW1, and both are recorded on the War Graves site. > > Both were in the navy - one died at Gallipoli, rowing troops ashore ("the Turks were waiting for them in the hills and just shot them all down" said Nanna) - he was 35 when he died, and never saw my mother, who was four weeks old on 25th April 1915. > > Dad's father was also 35 when his ship was torpedoed of Northern Ireland - "The Laurentic" on 27th January 1917. > > These two men face each other on the War Memorials in the basement of Liverpool Town Hall - just the way the alphabetical names work out - H and I. > > Marged > > > There is also an allied project to request a photo of the actual grave for a small fee > www.twgpp.org > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for this information, Nirvard - I will be trying to get photographs of graves from this site. Both my grandfathers died in WW1, and both are recorded on the War Graves site. Both were in the navy - one died at Gallipoli, rowing troops ashore ("the Turks were waiting for them in the hills and just shot them all down" said Nanna) - he was 35 when he died, and never saw my mother, who was four weeks old on 25th April 1915. Dad's father was also 35 when his ship was torpedoed of Northern Ireland - "The Laurentic" on 27th January 1917. These two men face each other on the War Memorials in the basement of Liverpool Town Hall - just the way the alphabetical names work out - H and I. Marged There is also an allied project to request a photo of the actual grave for a small fee www.twgpp.org Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Indeed, the Commonwealth War Graves Commission is a marvelous site Much better since its recent revamp There is also an allied project to request a photo of the actual grave for a small fee www.twgpp.org Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > They have done a great job on the commonwealth war graves site. Not only do > you see the info on line but you can print of a copy of the relevant grave > site and also a certificate commemorating the individuals war service > > > > cheers Sheila

Thats good to hear Sheila Australians should be truly proud of the way their Country has made the WW1 records available A staggering amount of information, I have several listed amongst them Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Thanks for this info Nivard. Although I have no personal interest in this > particular photo I was interested to learn about the archives site . I am > still very new to genealogy so it is great finding these new sources. I have > already found information on several family members > > > > cheers Sheila

Thanks for this info Nivard. Although I have no personal interest in this particular photo I was interested to learn about the archives site . I am still very new to genealogy so it is great finding these new sources. I have already found information on several family members cheers Sheila Hi April I received the photo via Marged There is a vast amount of information online on the Aussie army, including service records Ahh just noticed a name at the foot of the photo (it helps to tell us you know :-) Daniel WOOD , I see there is a 36 page service record for a Daniel WOOD on the National Archives of Australia, it mentions NSW could this be your man? He was a miner by the looks of it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi April I received the photo via Marged One man is definitely in Australian uniform but there is little else to distinguish what unit he might have been in He has the rising sun badge on his collar and standard slouch hat but there is nothing else I am afraid I am unfamiliar with Navy uniform so your other man may also be wearing the Australian Navy uniform If you don't get an answer here, I would ask on the Mariners list Have you any idea what his name is? There is a vast amount of information online on the Aussie army, including service records Ahh just noticed a name at the foot of the photo (it helps to tell us you know :-) Daniel WOOD , I see there is a 36 page service record for a Daniel WOOD on the National Archives of Australia, it mentions NSW could this be your man? He was a miner by the looks of it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have an excellent photo of a young man who is an ancestor, taken c.1919, in which I think is >an Australian uniform - how do I go about getting it identified? Or can I send it as an >attachment to this maillist? Thank you. > April Wood Ashton

Dear Marged Thank you - yes, my mistake. April On 2 Jun 2012, at 16:31, Marged wrote: > April, I have passed your message direct to Nirvard as it was "bounced" by the Rootsweb machinery. Photographs or other attachments can never get through, so it is necessary to send them direct to the person who has offered to help you. > > Marged > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

April, I have passed your message direct to Nirvard as it was "bounced" by the Rootsweb machinery. Photographs or other attachments can never get through, so it is necessary to send them direct to the person who has offered to help you. Marged

Hi April Lists do not take attachments But boards do However the easiest way is to put it up on a free web site such as Flickr and send the link to it in a post to the list In the meantime if you want to send a copy in as high a resolution as you can off list to me I will gladly take a look at it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have an excellent photo of a young man who is an ancestor, taken c.1919, in which I think is >an Australian uniform - how do I go about getting it identified? Or can I send it as an >attachment to this maillist? Thank you. > April Wood Ashton

I have an excellent photo of a young man who is an ancestor, taken c.1919, in which I think is an Australian uniform - how do I go about getting it identified? Or can I send it as an attachment to this maillist? Thank you. April Wood Ashton

I have a photograph taken of either my grandfather or my ggfather and others in August 1918 headed with the name No 5 Balloon Apron. Is anyone able to steer me in the right direction as to where I might find some information about it. Both men were called Edward Terence Wright, both were grocers. My grandfather was born in 1884 so I think it was more likely to be a pic of him but have no idea . I’m assuming they were in the air force because of the name but also as one of the other people in the picture was a flight sergeant. cheers Sheila

Petty Officer Motor Mechanic George Frederick Brown Royal Naval Air Service serving H.M.S. Pembroke was killed on 27th February 1915 and is buried in Flaybrick Cemetery Birkenhead. At the time of his death he was serving at RNAS Pembroke was at Carew, Pembrokeshire. Can anyone tell me anything about him and in particular what his connection with Birkenhead was? David

Hello, A while back I wrote to the list asking about the HMS Mary Rose, sunk off the coast of Norway in 1917. My great uncle Joe Deverill was one of only 10 survivors, and I'm making good progress piecing together his story and finding other Mary Rose descendants. The Mary Rose and the Strongbow, both destroyers, were sunk while escorting a convoy of 12 merchant ships. Nine of these were also sunk. One that made it was the Bencleuch, whose captain George McMillan was subsequently awarded the Lloyd's Silver Medal. This is all I know about him (that he was captain of the Bencleuch; that he survived; that he won the medal). I'm eager to figure out what happened in the days after the attack, when the survivors apparently reached Norway. Does anyone have any ideas as to how I might find such a man, and thereby track his descendants? I've searched the Edinburgh and London Gazette for mentions of McMillan and Lloyd's, and of the ship Bencleuch, but no luck. Kristen

Hi Mary If your man was an Officer you will not find his records online However a quick search for Reginald Paul HENDERSON found nothing of interest, then a search for Reginald P HENDERSON found the following in the medal rolls HENDERSON Reginald P M.G.C. Pte 107472 N Staff R 36856 A Cyc Corps 225990 R E 363171 Victory & British War medals Not an Officer but a possible for your man If born 1898 he would be young for an officer, certainly not impossible of course You will find some useful research guides here http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/atoz/a.htm# Select Army Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Dear Listers, > I'm sorry that I think I've asked about this chap's WW1 record before, but I now know that he was > an Infantry Officer, and wounded I believe.He was from London but I don't know which regiment. > Can anyone suggest if there are records that fit? > Best wishes, > Mary

Hi Kristen Looking at the Navy medal rolls on Ancestry there is a J.F.BAILEY Able Seaman J3979 H.M.S. Mary Rose Atlantic Ocean 7th Oct 1917 C in C Portsmouth 15th April 1918 That leads to a service record on the National Archives, which can be downloaded for a fee Description Name Bailey, John Frederick Official Number: J3979 Place of Birth: Nr Great Yarmouth, Suffolk Date 06 March 1892 Catalogue reference ADM 188/654links to the Catalogue Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services Piece 3501-4000 Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference Number of image files: 1 Image Reference Format and Version Part Number Size (KB) Number of Pages Price (£) 479 / 476 PDF 1.2 1 161 1 3.50 Total Price (£) 3.50 The same medal rolls when searched for Mary Rose gives up J F Bailey 1866-1966 Mary Rose C C Barclay 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose Anthony J Bavin 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose William H Cleghorn 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose Charles L Fox 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose John R D Freeman 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose Isaac Hancock 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose Edwin A Homan 1914-1919 World War I Hms Mary Rose Edwin A Homan 1914-1919 World War I Hms Mary Rose H R Kimber 1866-1966 Mary Rose Frederick W Marsh 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose Archibald D Moir 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose In the same rolls there is a Joseph W DEVERILL A.B. J36814 V B "Verdun" V = Victory B = British War Medal Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello, > > I'm new to this list. I'm researching the HMS Mary Rose, sunk in the Battle > of Lerwick on Oct 17, 1917. My great uncle Joe Deverill was one of only 10 > survivors, who rowed for two days to the coast of Norway after the attack. > He died before I was born, and I am trying to piece together his time on > board the Mary Rose. I have a list of casualties, and have begun making > contact with some of their descendants. I am eager to find out who the other > survivors were. In his 1919 account of the sinking in the book Sea Hounds, > author Lewis Freeman interviews a Mary Rose Able Seaman Bailey, who was > apparently awarded the DSM for his actions that day. I have found mentions > of Bailey (rank and last name only) in newspaper accounts of the Mary Rose,

Dear Listers, I'm sorry that I think I've asked about this chap's WW1 record before, but I now know that he was an Infantry Officer, and wounded I believe.He was from London but I don't know which regiment. Can anyone suggest if there are records that fit? Best wishes, Mary

Hats off to you Nivard. I have been searching like mad, but I guess my mistake was in not entering the Mary Rose info along with the rest. This is a wonderful help. Off I go to find out what I can about Bailey. Thank you, Kristen -----Original Message----- From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:19 PM To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] hms mary rose, 1917 Hi Kristen Looking at the Navy medal rolls on Ancestry there is a J.F.BAILEY Able Seaman J3979 H.M.S. Mary Rose Atlantic Ocean 7th Oct 1917 C in C Portsmouth 15th April 1918 That leads to a service record on the National Archives, which can be downloaded for a fee Description Name Bailey, John Frederick Official Number: J3979 Place of Birth: Nr Great Yarmouth, Suffolk Date 06 March 1892 Catalogue reference ADM 188/654links to the Catalogue Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services Piece 3501-4000 Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference Number of image files: 1 Image Reference Format and Version Part Number Size (KB) Number of Pages Price (£) 479 / 476 PDF 1.2 1 161 1 3.50 Total Price (£) 3.50 The same medal rolls when searched for Mary Rose gives up J F Bailey 1866-1966 Mary Rose C C Barclay 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose Anthony J Bavin 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose William H Cleghorn 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose Charles L Fox 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose John R D Freeman 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose Isaac Hancock 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose Edwin A Homan 1914-1919 World War I Hms Mary Rose Edwin A Homan 1914-1919 World War I Hms Mary Rose H R Kimber 1866-1966 Mary Rose Frederick W Marsh 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose Archibald D Moir 1914-1919 World War I Mary Rose In the same rolls there is a Joseph W DEVERILL A.B. J36814 V B "Verdun" V = Victory B = British War Medal Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello, > > I'm new to this list. I'm researching the HMS Mary Rose, sunk in the > Battle of Lerwick on Oct 17, 1917. My great uncle Joe Deverill was one > of only 10 survivors, who rowed for two days to the coast of Norway after the attack. > He died before I was born, and I am trying to piece together his time > on board the Mary Rose. I have a list of casualties, and have begun > making contact with some of their descendants. I am eager to find out > who the other survivors were. In his 1919 account of the sinking in > the book Sea Hounds, author Lewis Freeman interviews a Mary Rose Able > Seaman Bailey, who was apparently awarded the DSM for his actions that > day. I have found mentions of Bailey (rank and last name only) in > newspaper accounts of the Mary Rose, ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4904 - Release Date: 03/30/12

Hello, I'm new to this list. I'm researching the HMS Mary Rose, sunk in the Battle of Lerwick on Oct 17, 1917. My great uncle Joe Deverill was one of only 10 survivors, who rowed for two days to the coast of Norway after the attack. He died before I was born, and I am trying to piece together his time on board the Mary Rose. I have a list of casualties, and have begun making contact with some of their descendants. I am eager to find out who the other survivors were. In his 1919 account of the sinking in the book Sea Hounds, author Lewis Freeman interviews a Mary Rose Able Seaman Bailey, who was apparently awarded the DSM for his actions that day. I have found mentions of Bailey (rank and last name only) in newspaper accounts of the Mary Rose, but strangely he is not mentioned in the Gazette report of those awarded medals. I have searched online at the National Archives and found a number of Able Seaman Baileys, and two who were awarded medals of some kind, but neither seem to be a fit (though I admit, being a newbie, I have great trouble navigating the NA site.) Is there a list of DSM recipients somewhere? Or does anyone have other ideas as to how I could find Bailey's first name and go about finding out what became of him? (As an aside, I'm also interested in making contact with anyone who has other info about the Mary Rose.) Kristen in Canada

Released on Ancestry UK, Victoria Cross Medals, 1857-2007 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Nivard, Thank you so much for your help and advice. I am not sure he is my man which is what I'm trying to establish and have nothing other than my father words of his mother having a brother Charles from Glasgow who died in the First World War. He did have a middle name of Duncan but this hasn't helped me so far. On searching initially I was hoping for a next of kin to confirm. Thanks again I will certainly try out your suggestions. Regards Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <ww1-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] Charles HART 34040 > Hi Ruth > > Firstly are you sure this man is yours? > > There are several Charles HART who served in WW1 > > Do you have his medals or some other source to know this man is yours > > Soldiers Died does not help greatly unfortunately > > UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Charles Hart > Name: Charles Hart > Birth Place: Glasgow > Death Date: 3 May 1917 > Death Location: France & Flanders > Enlistment Location: Glasgow > Rank: Private > Regiment: Royal Scots (Lothian Regiment) > Battalion: 2nd Battalion > Number: 34040 > Type of Casualty: Killed in action > Theatre of War: Western European Theatre > > See > http://www.1914-1918.net/royalscots.htm > > Which says that the 2nd Battalion was part of the 8th Brigade 3rd Division > > It also says they landed at Boulogne 14th August 1914 > > This man (34040) was not with them as he did not get the 1914 or 1915 Star > > I have not found any surviving service record for this man > > You might also try the National Archives for the War Diaries, there are 10 > hits for the Royal Scots > , check the details listed to see if the 2nd Battalion is one of them , > the diary can be downloaded > for a small fee > > War Diaries rarely mention individuals but would tell you where they got > to and the major events > they were part of > > If this proves to be your man, another ploy is to check those with a > service number close to your > mans, they are likely to be in the same batch of men in the same unit, > whilst your mans service docs > may not survive, someones service record who joined up with him may and > might add to your research > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Hi, >> >> New to the list and trying to find more info on my Great Uncle Charles >> HART of Glasgow, Scotland, >> Royal Scots Regiment 2nd Battalion no 34040 died France 3.5.17 age 35. >> Tried CWGC and found a Charles Hart who might fit the bill but cannot >> confirm as no next of kin >> stated. Is there somewhere else to try and find this information? >> I would also like to find out what Division this Battalion belonged to so >> I can read up on their >> exploits. >> >> Thanking you for any info or advice. >> >> Ruth (NSW Australia) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message