Hi Don Thanks for the link. I've been in touch with the Glosters site and they were able to help with details up to the end of the war, but not for the period immediately after the war ended. I'm not sure where one looks for details of where regiments were and what they were doing in the period Nov 1918 - Nov 1919, when I believe my gr-grandfather was overseas. Mike -----Original Message----- From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Don Farnham Sent: 30 August 2012 18:49 To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] 17th Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment Mike, My Grandfather was in the Gloucester's, and I came across this site :- http://www.glosters.org.uk/ There was a gentleman on that site who answered my query, and while he didn't have anything specific to my Grandfather, he gave me a potted history of what the Gloucester's were doing and where at the time he would have been shot (he survived the war). Don Farnham On 30/08/2012 14:49, Mike Matthews wrote: > Thanks Nivard > > I'm mainly trying to establish whether they went overseas at all, but it > looks unlikely. I have my gr-grandfather's service record but unfortunately > the bit at the bottom where it says where he was at various stages is > virtually unreadable. > > It would appear that he didn't go to France until after the war had ended. > > This is a different great-grandfather to the one who was in the AOC, by the > way! > > Best wishes > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Nivard Ovington > Sent: 30 August 2012 14:32 > To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] 17th Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment > > > Hi Mike > > From the soldiers that died there are five soldiers who died during > 1918 from the 17th Btn Gloucesters, all died at home > > The Long Long trail does have an entry on them > > 17th Battalion > Formed at Walton-on-the-Naze on 1 January 1917 from what had previously been > the 82nd Provisional Battalion of the TF. It had been formed in June 1915 > from "Home Service only" personnel. Moved to Clacton-on-Sea in March 1917 > and on to St Osyth in 1918. > > No medal cards for members of the 17th past 1917 as far as I can see > > All of which leads you to say they never left the UK > > Or are you trying to find out precisely where they were in the UK in 1918 ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 30/08/2012 13:11, Mike Matthews wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Does anyone have any idea what the above battalion was up to from >> July-November 1918? The Long Long Trail provides no detail, and the >> Soldiers of Gloucestershire Museum also don't seem to know. >> >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> >> >> Mike Matthews > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, My Grandfather was in the Gloucester's, and I came across this site :- http://www.glosters.org.uk/ There was a gentleman on that site who answered my query, and while he didn't have anything specific to my Grandfather, he gave me a potted history of what the Gloucester's were doing and where at the time he would have been shot (he survived the war). Don Farnham On 30/08/2012 14:49, Mike Matthews wrote: > Thanks Nivard > > I'm mainly trying to establish whether they went overseas at all, but it > looks unlikely. I have my gr-grandfather's service record but unfortunately > the bit at the bottom where it says where he was at various stages is > virtually unreadable. > > It would appear that he didn't go to France until after the war had ended. > > This is a different great-grandfather to the one who was in the AOC, by the > way! > > Best wishes > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Nivard Ovington > Sent: 30 August 2012 14:32 > To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] 17th Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment > > > Hi Mike > > From the soldiers that died there are five soldiers who died during > 1918 from the 17th Btn Gloucesters, all died at home > > The Long Long trail does have an entry on them > > 17th Battalion > Formed at Walton-on-the-Naze on 1 January 1917 from what had previously been > the 82nd Provisional Battalion of the TF. It had been formed in June 1915 > from "Home Service only" personnel. Moved to Clacton-on-Sea in March 1917 > and on to St Osyth in 1918. > > No medal cards for members of the 17th past 1917 as far as I can see > > All of which leads you to say they never left the UK > > Or are you trying to find out precisely where they were in the UK in 1918 ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 30/08/2012 13:11, Mike Matthews wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Does anyone have any idea what the above battalion was up to from >> July-November 1918? The Long Long Trail provides no detail, and the >> Soldiers of Gloucestershire Museum also don't seem to know. >> >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> >> >> Mike Matthews > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Nivard I'm mainly trying to establish whether they went overseas at all, but it looks unlikely. I have my gr-grandfather's service record but unfortunately the bit at the bottom where it says where he was at various stages is virtually unreadable. It would appear that he didn't go to France until after the war had ended. This is a different great-grandfather to the one who was in the AOC, by the way! Best wishes Mike -----Original Message----- From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 30 August 2012 14:32 To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] 17th Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment Hi Mike From the soldiers that died there are five soldiers who died during 1918 from the 17th Btn Gloucesters, all died at home The Long Long trail does have an entry on them 17th Battalion Formed at Walton-on-the-Naze on 1 January 1917 from what had previously been the 82nd Provisional Battalion of the TF. It had been formed in June 1915 from "Home Service only" personnel. Moved to Clacton-on-Sea in March 1917 and on to St Osyth in 1918. No medal cards for members of the 17th past 1917 as far as I can see All of which leads you to say they never left the UK Or are you trying to find out precisely where they were in the UK in 1918 ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/08/2012 13:11, Mike Matthews wrote: > Hi, > > > > Does anyone have any idea what the above battalion was up to from > July-November 1918? The Long Long Trail provides no detail, and the > Soldiers of Gloucestershire Museum also don't seem to know. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Mike Matthews ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike From the soldiers that died there are five soldiers who died during 1918 from the 17th Btn Gloucesters, all died at home The Long Long trail does have an entry on them 17th Battalion Formed at Walton-on-the-Naze on 1 January 1917 from what had previously been the 82nd Provisional Battalion of the TF. It had been formed in June 1915 from "Home Service only" personnel. Moved to Clacton-on-Sea in March 1917 and on to St Osyth in 1918. No medal cards for members of the 17th past 1917 as far as I can see All of which leads you to say they never left the UK Or are you trying to find out precisely where they were in the UK in 1918 ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/08/2012 13:11, Mike Matthews wrote: > Hi, > > > > Does anyone have any idea what the above battalion was up to from > July-November 1918? The Long Long Trail provides no detail, and the > Soldiers of Gloucestershire Museum also don't seem to know. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Mike Matthews

Hi, Does anyone have any idea what the above battalion was up to from July-November 1918? The Long Long Trail provides no detail, and the Soldiers of Gloucestershire Museum also don't seem to know. Best wishes Mike Matthews

Hi Nivard Many thanks for your reply. I'll check the original photo when I get chance but I think that's about the best quality I can get. I've also looked through the service records on Ancestry but without luck (Frederick Smith was not exactly an uncommon name!) Frederick Joseph SMITH was born in 1876 in Horfield, Bristol, son of Christopher Sidney and Sarah SMITH. He didn't marry until 1920 and I believe he lived with his parents in Pitt Road, Horfield before that. Given his d.o.b. it's possible he served in the Army before WW1 (his brother Thomas Henry fought in the Boer War), but a photo of Frederick and his brothers only shows Thomas wearing a medal. Let me know if there are any further details I can provide which might assist. Best wishes Mike -----Original Message----- From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 16 August 2012 13:21 To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] Regiment query Hi Mike Firstly do you have a better scan of the photo, as high a resolution as you can manage The cap badge should identify the regiment, I see nothing else in the photo that could help to narrow it down Although roughly two thirds of WW1 service records were lost in WW2, there is still a chance your mans survived, plus there are medal rolls etc So can you post the year and place of birth, plus any address from the 1901 & 1911 census and should you have any certificates for the WW1 period, the addresses on them Also his wife & childrens names as some service records record them also and it can help to work out one man from another I can check to see if anything useful can be found for you He looks to be an older soldier (although looks can deceive at times) so wonder if he had served before WW1? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/08/2012 13:03, Mike Matthews wrote: > Dear all > > > > I am trying to work out which regiment my great-grandfather Frederick > Joseph SMITH served with. The only photo I have of him in uniform is this one: > > > > http://www.boddyparts.co.uk/fred_smith.htm > > > > I'm guessing there is not sufficient detail here to tell what regiment > he was with, but I thought I'd give it a shot. > > > > Regards > > > > Mike ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike Firstly do you have a better scan of the photo, as high a resolution as you can manage The cap badge should identify the regiment, I see nothing else in the photo that could help to narrow it down Although roughly two thirds of WW1 service records were lost in WW2, there is still a chance your mans survived, plus there are medal rolls etc So can you post the year and place of birth, plus any address from the 1901 & 1911 census and should you have any certificates for the WW1 period, the addresses on them Also his wife & childrens names as some service records record them also and it can help to work out one man from another I can check to see if anything useful can be found for you He looks to be an older soldier (although looks can deceive at times) so wonder if he had served before WW1? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/08/2012 13:03, Mike Matthews wrote: > Dear all > > > > I am trying to work out which regiment my great-grandfather Frederick Joseph > SMITH served with. The only photo I have of him in uniform is this one: > > > > http://www.boddyparts.co.uk/fred_smith.htm > > > > I'm guessing there is not sufficient detail here to tell what regiment he > was with, but I thought I'd give it a shot. > > > > Regards > > > > Mike

Dear all I am trying to work out which regiment my great-grandfather Frederick Joseph SMITH served with. The only photo I have of him in uniform is this one: http://www.boddyparts.co.uk/fred_smith.htm I'm guessing there is not sufficient detail here to tell what regiment he was with, but I thought I'd give it a shot. Regards Mike

Hi all Thought some may be interested to know there is a book sale on at the National Archives Several military titles listed Link on the NA homepage -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

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Nivard: thank you for your interest. Herbert Wood was baptised in Limehouse, not the city, in October 1886; Daniel his younger brother had been'adopted' by family in Kent as the parents had died in 1895 & 1897; brother George b1882 is also untraced but it is thought he went to Borneo where he worked as a Manager for the Tate Sugar Company (not yet Tate & Lyle); sister Annie b abt 1885 is also untraced- possibly went to the USA; they were all ( apart from Daniel) located on the 1901 Census in Canning Town where George only 19 was head of household. April On 5 Jun 2012, at 10:07, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi April > > I thought you said he was born in London? > > You can't get much more in London that Holborn, are you perhaps thinking of another? > > Now I cannot see a Herbert WOOD born circa 1885 with a Daniel in the same household, do you have the > parents and Daniels birth year? > > If I can establish the right Herberts birth and in the census it may lead me to him in 1911 or to at > least disqualify the others > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Thank you - a good possibility altho he was certainly not born in Holborn! Anyway, in the >> first instance I can now start to look at shipping records from 1911. >> April > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi April I thought you said he was born in London? You can't get much more in London that Holborn, are you perhaps thinking of another? Now I cannot see a Herbert WOOD born circa 1885 with a Daniel in the same household, do you have the parents and Daniels birth year? If I can establish the right Herberts birth and in the census it may lead me to him in 1911 or to at least disqualify the others Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Thank you - a good possibility altho he was certainly not born in Holborn! Anyway, in the > first instance I can now start to look at shipping records from 1911. > April

Thank you - a good possibility altho he was certainly not born in Holborn! Anyway, in the first instance I can now start to look at shipping records from 1911. April On 4 Jun 2012, at 22:07, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi April > > The *Best* WOOD below is actually *Bert* WOOD (sigh) > > 1911 England Census about Jane Bilton > Name: Jane Bilton Age in 1911: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Head > Gender: Female > Birth Place: Shoreditch Civil parish: Shoreditch > County/Island: London Country: England > Street Address: 5 Drysdale Place > Marital Status: Widowed > Registration district: Shoreditch Registration District Number: 16 Sub-registration district: Shoreditch South > ED, institution, or vessel: 9mm Piece: 1330 > Household Members: > Name Age > Jane Bilton 42 Thomas William Bilton 21 William Bilton 14 Marior Eliz Bilton 10 Florence Dasy Bilton 7 > Best Wood 23 Painter born Holborn > Elizabeth Mc Nally 19 William Davis 19 > RG14; Piece: 1330. > > Could this be your man? > > As he was a boarder the head of household have simply put down what they thought his age was > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> I have an ancestor, Herbert Wood who was born in 1885/6 London England, who emigrated to >> Australia; he is listed in the Australian Army records as attesting in Melbourne; in 1920 he is >> sent back to Melbourne from the UK. He does not appear on the 1911 census so maybe he enlisted or >> is in shipping/ emigration records between 1911-15; he was a painter by trade; he only had >> siblings, no wife or parents or children, so, as usual no easy task to identify the correct man! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

it's amazing the information we can get 'sideways' as it were... I started my genealogy journey years ago but had to put it on hold until this year when I had time to start it again.I have found out more information by looking at obscure references which have then given me clues to search in places I would never have thought. I've managed to re-establish contact with at least 5 of my cousins in England (I live in Australia now) and two of those I found accidentally from a reference on a used car part forum! cheers Sheila There is a very good program available (in the UK anyway) from "Who do you think you are" which has the actor Robert Lindsey telling the full story of his own grandfather who was serving on a very famous ship whose name escapes me at the moment (poor old thing) but the programme told the full story of my own grandfather's service - even going to the exact place in Gallipoli where mine died but Robert's survived! Marged

Hi April The *Best* WOOD below is actually *Bert* WOOD (sigh) 1911 England Census about Jane Bilton Name: Jane Bilton Age in 1911: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Shoreditch Civil parish: Shoreditch County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 5 Drysdale Place Marital Status: Widowed Registration district: Shoreditch Registration District Number: 16 Sub-registration district: Shoreditch South ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Piece: 1330 Household Members: Name Age Jane Bilton 42 Thomas William Bilton 21 William Bilton 14 Marior Eliz Bilton 10 Florence Dasy Bilton 7 Best Wood 23 Painter born Holborn Elizabeth Mc Nally 19 William Davis 19 RG14; Piece: 1330. Could this be your man? As he was a boarder the head of household have simply put down what they thought his age was Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have an ancestor, Herbert Wood who was born in 1885/6 London England, who emigrated to >Australia; he is listed in the Australian Army records as attesting in Melbourne; in 1920 he is >sent back to Melbourne from the UK. He does not appear on the 1911 census so maybe he enlisted or >is in shipping/ emigration records between 1911-15; he was a painter by trade; he only had >siblings, no wife or parents or children, so, as usual no easy task to identify the correct man!

I have an ancestor, Herbert Wood who was born in 1885/6 London England, who emigrated to Australia; he is listed in the Australian Army records as attesting in Melbourne; in 1920 he is sent back to Melbourne from the UK. He does not appear on the 1911 census so maybe he enlisted or is in shipping/ emigration records between 1911-15; he was a painter by trade; he only had siblings, no wife or parents or children, so, as usual no easy task to identify the correct man! On 4 Jun 2012, at 18:57, Nivard Ovington wrote: > If he was already in the army he *had* attested > > What are the circumstances ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Was it necessary for a young man already in the army, to attest for WW1? >> Thank you. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If he was already in the army he *had* attested What are the circumstances ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Was it necessary for a young man already in the army, to attest for WW1? > Thank you.

Was it necessary for a young man already in the army, to attest for WW1? Thank you.

They have done a great job on the commonwealth war graves site. Not only do you see the info on line but you can print of a copy of the relevant grave site and also a certificate commemorating the individuals war service cheers Sheila Thats good to hear Sheila Australians should be truly proud of the way their Country has made the WW1 records available A staggering amount of information, I have several listed amongst them Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Thanks for this info Nivard. Although I have no personal interest in this > particular photo I was interested to learn about the archives site . I am > still very new to genealogy so it is great finding these new sources. I > have > already found information on several family members > > > > cheers Sheila ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a very good program available (in the UK anyway) from "Who do you think you are" which has the actor Robert Lindsey telling the full story of his own grandfather who was serving on a very famous ship whose name escapes me at the moment (poor old thing) but the programme told the full story of my own grandfather's service - even going to the exact place in Gallipoli where mine died but Robert's survived! Marged Thank you for this insight- both my father and 2nd cousin were also in Gallipoli - my father survived - his cousin who enlisted with him, did not - so many sacrifices made by so many men! April On 4 Jun 2012, at 09:45, Marged wrote: > Thank you for this information, Nirvard - I will be trying to get photographs of graves from this site. Both my grandfathers died in WW1, and both are recorded on the War Graves site. > > Both were in the navy - one died at Gallipoli, rowing troops ashore ("the Turks were waiting for them in the hills and just shot them all down" said Nanna) - he was 35 when he died, and never saw my mother, who was four weeks old on 25th April 1915. > > Dad's father was also 35 when his ship was torpedoed of Northern Ireland - "The Laurentic" on 27th January 1917. > > These two men face each other on the War Memorials in the basement of Liverpool Town Hall - just the way the alphabetical names work out - H and I. > > Marged > > > There is also an allied project to request a photo of the actual grave for a small fee > www.twgpp.org > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message