Nivard Thank you. I thought that everyone who was in the services was entitled to a medal thus a card followed. As a result of your comments I looked at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/medal-index-cards-ww1.htm which has shown me the error of my ways. Fascinating Based on my reading of this webpage, He served in a theatre of war and is entitled: The British War Medal 1914-1920, authorised in 1919, was awarded to eligible service personnel and civilians. Qualifications for the award varied slightly according to service. The basic requirement for army personnel and civilians was that they either entered a theatre of war, or rendered approved service overseas between 5 August 1914 and 11 November 1918. Service in Russia in 1919 and 1920 also qualified for the award. Victory Medal The Victory Medal 1914-1919 was also authorised in 1919 and was awarded to all eligible personnel who served on the establishment of a unit in an operational theatre. I confess too that I believed that a lot of medal cards had been destroyed by bombing Michael -----Original Message----- From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 08 November 2013 17:46 To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] WW1 - 1917 Death Hi Michael I suspect you mean that every soldier had a service record and that many were destroyed in WW2 Not every man had a medal card, only those entitled to them You are correct about the war diaries This man was not overseas before 1916 though Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/11/2013 17:38, Michael Allbrook wrote: > He was in 10th (Service) Battalion which was formed at Stirling in August 1914 as part of K1 and came under orders of 27th Brigade in 9th > (Scottish) Division. Moved to Bordon. > Moved to billets in New Alresford in November and in February 1915 went to Bramshott. > 11 May 1915 : landed at Boulogne. > 6 May 1916 : transferred to 26th Brigade in same Division. > 17 February 1918 : transferred to 97th Brigade in 32nd Division. > > On 3 and 4 May this Division was involved in the Battle of the Scarpe and of course the fighting was continuous with snipers and artillery > fire an ever constant threat for the duration of the war > > The War Diaries will give you more information but I suggest that you talk to/email the Regimental Museum who should be able to give you > more detailed information > > Tracing next of kin is usually by examining the census returns > > Every soldier had a medal card. The problem is that many were destroyed in a bombing raid in WW2 > > Michael Allbrook ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Michael Thank you - that is very helpful - another possible candidate for being my grandfather eliminated! Yes, I have been looking at 1911 census returns but I have then been unable to trace some young men further when they do not seem to appear in official records. April On 8 Nov 2013, at 17:38, Michael Allbrook wrote: > He was in 10th (Service) Battalion which was formed at Stirling in August > 1914 as part of K1 and came under orders of 27th Brigade in 9th (Scottish) > Division. Moved to Bordon. > Moved to billets in New Alresford in November and in February 1915 went to > Bramshott. > 11 May 1915 : landed at Boulogne. > 6 May 1916 : transferred to 26th Brigade in same Division. > 17 February 1918 : transferred to 97th Brigade in 32nd Division. > > On 3 and 4 May this Division was involved in the Battle of the Scarpe and of > course the fighting was continuous with snipers and artillery fire an ever > constant threat for the duration of the war > > The War Diaries will give you more information but I suggest that you talk > to/email the Regimental Museum who should be able to give you more detailed > information > > Tracing next of kin is usually by examining the census returns > > Every soldier had a medal card. The problem is that many were destroyed in a > bombing raid in WW2 > > Michael Allbrook > > -----Original Message----- > From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Ashton April > Sent: 08 November 2013 17:16 > To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] WW1 - 1917 Death > > Nivard > > Yes, thank you...... it is also stated elsewhere that he was born in France! > > So not much chance of tracing next of kin, but do we know whether / where > the Bn may have been before going to France, and the dates this might have > been? > > Also did every soldier who enlisted have a medal card - the reason for my > asking is that it seems that some young men who would have been conscripted > or enlisted show up on neither medal cards nor in the burnt records so even > with an unusual name, such as Bartle / Bartell it makes a possible entrant > difficult to trace! > > April > > > > On 8 Nov 2013, at 16:37, Nivard Ovington wrote: > >> Hi April >> >> Can I ask where you found the "Aldershot" >> >> Was it an old copy of an Ancestry transcript by any chance, as >> Ancestry had some errors in their data at one time which wrongly >> stated most theatre of war = Aldershot erroneously >> >> It now shows (correctly) >> >> UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Albert Bartell >> Name: Albert Bartell >> Birth Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian >> Residence: Cromdale, Morays >> Death Date: 5 May 1917 >> Death Location: France & Flanders >> Enlistment Location: Carrbridge, Inverness-shire >> Rank: Private >> Regiment: Princess Louise's (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders) >> Battalion: 10th Battalion >> Number: S/13765 >> Type of Casualty: Killed in action >> Theatre of War: Western European Theatre >> >> >> The only other record I can find of him (unsurprisingly, given the >> 1911 for Scotland is only on Scotlandspeople, as is the original page >> for the below entry) >> >> >> 1901 Scotland Census about Albert Bartell >> Name: Albert Bartell >> Age: 6 >> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895 >> Relationship: Inmate >> Gender: Male >> Where born: Edinburgh >> Registration number: 145 >> Registration District: Aberlour >> Civil Parish: Aberlour >> County: Banffshire >> Address: Aberlour, Banffshire Scotland >> Occupation: Scholar >> ED: The Orphanage Aberlour >> Household Schedule Number: 1 >> Line: 14 >> Roll: CSSCT1901_43 >> Household Members: >> Name Age >> >> <big snip> >> >> Albert Bartell 6 >> >> <big snip> >> >> >> Source Citation: Parish: Aberlour; ED: The Orphanage Aberlour; Page: >> 9; >> Line: 14; Roll: CSSCT1901_43. >> >> Source Information: >> Ancestry.com. 1901 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: >> Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007. >> Original data: Scotland. 1901 Scotland Census. Reels 1-446. General >> Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. >> >> His birth should also be on Scotlandspeople which is pay per view only >> >> £7 fo 30 credits >> >> 1 credit per page up to 25 search results >> >> 5 credits per image >> >> So with care, you should get 5 census pages or births/marriages/deaths >> >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> On 08/11/2013 16:09, Ashton April wrote: >>> I am struggling to find details about: >>> >>> Albert Bartell Birth Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian Residence: > Carrbridge, Inverness-Shire >>> >>> Death Date: 5 May 1917 >>> >>> Enlistment Location: Cromdale, Morays Rank: Private >>> >>> Regiment: Princess Louise's (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders) > Battalion: 10th Battalion. >>> >>> Service No: Number: S/13765 >>> >>> Type of Casualty: Killed in action - France >>> >>> Theater of War: Aldershot >>> >>>> From CWGC: Private Bartell, Albert*** >>> >>> Unit: 10th Bn. >>> >>> Commemoration: ARRAS MEMORIAL France Bay 9. >>> >>> Private A. Bartell was born in Edinburgh, enlisted in Carrbridge, > Inverness-shire and resided in Cromdale, Morays. >>> >>> As his theatre of war was Aldershot, can I assume that the Battallion in > which he served came to southern england? Is it possible to trace when > they were sent to France? Also where can I find out more about his birth, > family et? >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> April Wood Ashton >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael I suspect you mean that every soldier had a service record and that many were destroyed in WW2 Not every man had a medal card, only those entitled to them You are correct about the war diaries This man was not overseas before 1916 though Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/11/2013 17:38, Michael Allbrook wrote: > He was in 10th (Service) Battalion which was formed at Stirling in August > 1914 as part of K1 and came under orders of 27th Brigade in 9th (Scottish) > Division. Moved to Bordon. > Moved to billets in New Alresford in November and in February 1915 went to > Bramshott. > 11 May 1915 : landed at Boulogne. > 6 May 1916 : transferred to 26th Brigade in same Division. > 17 February 1918 : transferred to 97th Brigade in 32nd Division. > > On 3 and 4 May this Division was involved in the Battle of the Scarpe and of > course the fighting was continuous with snipers and artillery fire an ever > constant threat for the duration of the war > > The War Diaries will give you more information but I suggest that you talk > to/email the Regimental Museum who should be able to give you more detailed > information > > Tracing next of kin is usually by examining the census returns > > Every soldier had a medal card. The problem is that many were destroyed in a > bombing raid in WW2 > > Michael Allbrook

Hi again You would need to check for and download his birth registration from scotlandspeople, it may give his mother, plus his father is they were married, or if he was abandoned the details of where he was found, his parents may have died pre 1901 and thats why he was in an orphanage He may have had siblings, again you would need to check scotlandspeople, first for his birth, then for any parents mentioned, then any potential siblings Scottish records (civil registration started 1855) are generally a lot more detailed than the English/Welsh versions Without knowing where you found he was born in France its hard to comment on that Re medals, I would recommend a good read of the pages here <http://www.1914-1918.net/soldiers/campaignmedals.html> His medal card is on Ancestry and the National Archives just search for Albert BARTELL There are only two on Ancestry by that name One being British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Albert Bartell Name: Albert Bartell Regiment or Corps: Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Regimental Number: S/13765 He was entitled to the British War and Victory medal , therefore did not serve overseas pre 1916 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/11/2013 17:15, Ashton April wrote: > Nivard > > Yes, thank you...... it is also stated elsewhere that he was born in France! > > So not much chance of tracing next of kin, but do we know whether / where the Bn may have been before going to France, and the dates this might have been? > > Also did every soldier who enlisted have a medal card - the reason for my asking is that it seems that some young men who would have been conscripted or enlisted show up on neither medal cards nor in the burnt records so even with an unusual name, such as Bartle / Bartell it makes a possible entrant difficult to trace! > > April

He was in 10th (Service) Battalion which was formed at Stirling in August 1914 as part of K1 and came under orders of 27th Brigade in 9th (Scottish) Division. Moved to Bordon. Moved to billets in New Alresford in November and in February 1915 went to Bramshott. 11 May 1915 : landed at Boulogne. 6 May 1916 : transferred to 26th Brigade in same Division. 17 February 1918 : transferred to 97th Brigade in 32nd Division. On 3 and 4 May this Division was involved in the Battle of the Scarpe and of course the fighting was continuous with snipers and artillery fire an ever constant threat for the duration of the war The War Diaries will give you more information but I suggest that you talk to/email the Regimental Museum who should be able to give you more detailed information Tracing next of kin is usually by examining the census returns Every soldier had a medal card. The problem is that many were destroyed in a bombing raid in WW2 Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ashton April Sent: 08 November 2013 17:16 To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] WW1 - 1917 Death Nivard Yes, thank you...... it is also stated elsewhere that he was born in France! So not much chance of tracing next of kin, but do we know whether / where the Bn may have been before going to France, and the dates this might have been? Also did every soldier who enlisted have a medal card - the reason for my asking is that it seems that some young men who would have been conscripted or enlisted show up on neither medal cards nor in the burnt records so even with an unusual name, such as Bartle / Bartell it makes a possible entrant difficult to trace! April On 8 Nov 2013, at 16:37, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi April > > Can I ask where you found the "Aldershot" > > Was it an old copy of an Ancestry transcript by any chance, as > Ancestry had some errors in their data at one time which wrongly > stated most theatre of war = Aldershot erroneously > > It now shows (correctly) > > UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Albert Bartell > Name: Albert Bartell > Birth Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian > Residence: Cromdale, Morays > Death Date: 5 May 1917 > Death Location: France & Flanders > Enlistment Location: Carrbridge, Inverness-shire > Rank: Private > Regiment: Princess Louise's (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders) > Battalion: 10th Battalion > Number: S/13765 > Type of Casualty: Killed in action > Theatre of War: Western European Theatre > > > The only other record I can find of him (unsurprisingly, given the > 1911 for Scotland is only on Scotlandspeople, as is the original page > for the below entry) > > > 1901 Scotland Census about Albert Bartell > Name: Albert Bartell > Age: 6 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895 > Relationship: Inmate > Gender: Male > Where born: Edinburgh > Registration number: 145 > Registration District: Aberlour > Civil Parish: Aberlour > County: Banffshire > Address: Aberlour, Banffshire Scotland > Occupation: Scholar > ED: The Orphanage Aberlour > Household Schedule Number: 1 > Line: 14 > Roll: CSSCT1901_43 > Household Members: > Name Age > > <big snip> > > Albert Bartell 6 > > <big snip> > > > Source Citation: Parish: Aberlour; ED: The Orphanage Aberlour; Page: > 9; > Line: 14; Roll: CSSCT1901_43. > > Source Information: > Ancestry.com. 1901 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: > Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007. > Original data: Scotland. 1901 Scotland Census. Reels 1-446. General > Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. > > His birth should also be on Scotlandspeople which is pay per view only > > £7 fo 30 credits > > 1 credit per page up to 25 search results > > 5 credits per image > > So with care, you should get 5 census pages or births/marriages/deaths > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 08/11/2013 16:09, Ashton April wrote: >> I am struggling to find details about: >> >> Albert Bartell Birth Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian Residence: Carrbridge, Inverness-Shire >> >> Death Date: 5 May 1917 >> >> Enlistment Location: Cromdale, Morays Rank: Private >> >> Regiment: Princess Louise's (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders) Battalion: 10th Battalion. >> >> Service No: Number: S/13765 >> >> Type of Casualty: Killed in action - France >> >> Theater of War: Aldershot >> >>> From CWGC: Private Bartell, Albert*** >> >> Unit: 10th Bn. >> >> Commemoration: ARRAS MEMORIAL France Bay 9. >> >> Private A. Bartell was born in Edinburgh, enlisted in Carrbridge, Inverness-shire and resided in Cromdale, Morays. >> >> As his theatre of war was Aldershot, can I assume that the Battallion in which he served came to southern england? Is it possible to trace when they were sent to France? Also where can I find out more about his birth, family et? >> >> >> Thank you, >> April Wood Ashton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nivard Yes, thank you...... it is also stated elsewhere that he was born in France! So not much chance of tracing next of kin, but do we know whether / where the Bn may have been before going to France, and the dates this might have been? Also did every soldier who enlisted have a medal card - the reason for my asking is that it seems that some young men who would have been conscripted or enlisted show up on neither medal cards nor in the burnt records so even with an unusual name, such as Bartle / Bartell it makes a possible entrant difficult to trace! April On 8 Nov 2013, at 16:37, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi April > > Can I ask where you found the "Aldershot" > > Was it an old copy of an Ancestry transcript by any chance, as Ancestry > had some errors in their data at one time which wrongly stated most > theatre of war = Aldershot erroneously > > It now shows (correctly) > > UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Albert Bartell > Name: Albert Bartell > Birth Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian > Residence: Cromdale, Morays > Death Date: 5 May 1917 > Death Location: France & Flanders > Enlistment Location: Carrbridge, Inverness-shire > Rank: Private > Regiment: Princess Louise's (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders) > Battalion: 10th Battalion > Number: S/13765 > Type of Casualty: Killed in action > Theatre of War: Western European Theatre > > > The only other record I can find of him > (unsurprisingly, given the 1911 for Scotland is only on Scotlandspeople, > as is the original page for the below entry) > > > 1901 Scotland Census about Albert Bartell > Name: Albert Bartell > Age: 6 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895 > Relationship: Inmate > Gender: Male > Where born: Edinburgh > Registration number: 145 > Registration District: Aberlour > Civil Parish: Aberlour > County: Banffshire > Address: Aberlour, Banffshire Scotland > Occupation: Scholar > ED: The Orphanage Aberlour > Household Schedule Number: 1 > Line: 14 > Roll: CSSCT1901_43 > Household Members: > Name Age > > <big snip> > > Albert Bartell 6 > > <big snip> > > > Source Citation: Parish: Aberlour; ED: The Orphanage Aberlour; Page: 9; > Line: 14; Roll: CSSCT1901_43. > > Source Information: > Ancestry.com. 1901 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: > Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007. > Original data: Scotland. 1901 Scotland Census. Reels 1-446. General > Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. > > His birth should also be on Scotlandspeople which is pay per view only > > £7 fo 30 credits > > 1 credit per page up to 25 search results > > 5 credits per image > > So with care, you should get 5 census pages or births/marriages/deaths > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 08/11/2013 16:09, Ashton April wrote: >> I am struggling to find details about: >> >> Albert Bartell Birth Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian Residence: Carrbridge, Inverness-Shire >> >> Death Date: 5 May 1917 >> >> Enlistment Location: Cromdale, Morays Rank: Private >> >> Regiment: Princess Louise's (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders) Battalion: 10th Battalion. >> >> Service No: Number: S/13765 >> >> Type of Casualty: Killed in action - France >> >> Theater of War: Aldershot >> >>> From CWGC: Private Bartell, Albert*** >> >> Unit: 10th Bn. >> >> Commemoration: ARRAS MEMORIAL France Bay 9. >> >> Private A. Bartell was born in Edinburgh, enlisted in Carrbridge, Inverness-shire and resided in Cromdale, Morays. >> >> As his theatre of war was Aldershot, can I assume that the Battallion in which he served came to southern england? Is it possible to trace when they were sent to France? Also where can I find out more about his birth, family et? >> >> >> Thank you, >> April Wood Ashton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi April Can I ask where you found the "Aldershot" Was it an old copy of an Ancestry transcript by any chance, as Ancestry had some errors in their data at one time which wrongly stated most theatre of war = Aldershot erroneously It now shows (correctly) UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Albert Bartell Name: Albert Bartell Birth Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian Residence: Cromdale, Morays Death Date: 5 May 1917 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Carrbridge, Inverness-shire Rank: Private Regiment: Princess Louise's (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders) Battalion: 10th Battalion Number: S/13765 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Western European Theatre The only other record I can find of him (unsurprisingly, given the 1911 for Scotland is only on Scotlandspeople, as is the original page for the below entry) 1901 Scotland Census about Albert Bartell Name: Albert Bartell Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895 Relationship: Inmate Gender: Male Where born: Edinburgh Registration number: 145 Registration District: Aberlour Civil Parish: Aberlour County: Banffshire Address: Aberlour, Banffshire Scotland Occupation: Scholar ED: The Orphanage Aberlour Household Schedule Number: 1 Line: 14 Roll: CSSCT1901_43 Household Members: Name Age <big snip> Albert Bartell 6 <big snip> Source Citation: Parish: Aberlour; ED: The Orphanage Aberlour; Page: 9; Line: 14; Roll: CSSCT1901_43. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1901 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007. Original data: Scotland. 1901 Scotland Census. Reels 1-446. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland. His birth should also be on Scotlandspeople which is pay per view only £7 fo 30 credits 1 credit per page up to 25 search results 5 credits per image So with care, you should get 5 census pages or births/marriages/deaths Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/11/2013 16:09, Ashton April wrote: > I am struggling to find details about: > > Albert Bartell Birth Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian Residence: Carrbridge, Inverness-Shire > > Death Date: 5 May 1917 > > Enlistment Location: Cromdale, Morays Rank: Private > > Regiment: Princess Louise's (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders) Battalion: 10th Battalion. > > Service No: Number: S/13765 > > Type of Casualty: Killed in action - France > > Theater of War: Aldershot > >>From CWGC: Private Bartell, Albert*** > > Unit: 10th Bn. > > Commemoration: ARRAS MEMORIAL France Bay 9. > > Private A. Bartell was born in Edinburgh, enlisted in Carrbridge, Inverness-shire and resided in Cromdale, Morays. > > As his theatre of war was Aldershot, can I assume that the Battallion in which he served came to southern england? Is it possible to trace when they were sent to France? Also where can I find out more about his birth, family et? > > > Thank you, > April Wood Ashton

I am struggling to find details about: Albert Bartell Birth Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian Residence: Carrbridge, Inverness-Shire Death Date: 5 May 1917 Enlistment Location: Cromdale, Morays Rank: Private Regiment: Princess Louise's (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders) Battalion: 10th Battalion. Service No: Number: S/13765 Type of Casualty: Killed in action - France Theater of War: Aldershot From CWGC: Private Bartell, Albert*** Unit: 10th Bn. Commemoration: ARRAS MEMORIAL France Bay 9. Private A. Bartell was born in Edinburgh, enlisted in Carrbridge, Inverness-shire and resided in Cromdale, Morays. As his theatre of war was Aldershot, can I assume that the Battallion in which he served came to southern england? Is it possible to trace when they were sent to France? Also where can I find out more about his birth, family et? Thank you, April Wood Ashton

The National Archives November Newsletter Very much themed to the First War <http://enews.nationalarchives.gov.uk/MAN-1Y772-3B3BOJA042/cr.aspx> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi all Thought it worth mentioning that Ancestry are giving free access to Military records as below *These records will be available to search for free from 00:00 on 8th November 2013 until 23:59 on 12th November 2013. To view these records you will need to register for free with Ancestry.co.uk with your name and email address. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Thought this may be of interest Lives of the First World War <http://www.livesofthefirstworldwar.org/?utm_source=Lives_news&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Nov&utm_content=blank&utm_campaign=1207> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Thanks for the info. Would it not be great if Ancestry could also use a Time machine to go back to 1939 and move all those archives to the country ! Then we would get a very worthwhile update... William On 4/11/2013 6:01 PM, ww1-uk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Burnt and Unburnt WW1 service records on Ancestry > (Nivard Ovington) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 11:19:46 +0000 > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> > Subject: [WW1-UK] Burnt and Unburnt WW1 service records on Ancestry > To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <52763152.3070008@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi all > > In the new and updated records listing on Ancestry they list > > British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 > > And > > British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 > > As being "updated" > > Unfortunately they never say exactly what they have updated, it could be > one record or thousands I suppose > > But perhaps worth trying again if you were unsuccessful in the past > >

Hi all In the new and updated records listing on Ancestry they list British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 And British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 As being "updated" Unfortunately they never say exactly what they have updated, it could be one record or thousands I suppose But perhaps worth trying again if you were unsuccessful in the past -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

The latest Newsletter for the Commonwealth War Graves Commission <http://newsletters.wizontheweb.co.uk/t/ViewEmail/r/C3383202EAD0D4682540EF23F30FEDED/75EC7964CE60FD456A4D01E12DB8921D> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Can anyone tell me whether there is a list of all those who perished when the Lusintania was sunk my a German torpedo in May 1915, when travelling from New York to England ? April Wood Ashton

> There is a medal card for an ALBERT BARTLE > > No 211019 - RFA - Gunner > Victory Medal details: > Roll RFA/ 294*/ Pg 38792 > > Is it possible to tell from these details, where he may have served - I have not traced his Attestation Papers; for instance,what does the Roll No and Pg No refer to? he appears not to have made a will. > > Thank you, > April Ashton

There is a medal card for an ALBERT BARTLE No 211019 - RFA - Gunner Victory Medal details: Roll RFA/ 294*/ Pg 38792 Is it possible to tell from these where he may have served - I have not traced his Attestation Papers; he appears not to have made a will. Thank you, April Ashton

Hi Kirk As you know his fathers name and date of birth (although both may be inaccurate) You could order a birth certificate via the GRO with *no* GRO index reference This then allows checking criteria to be added such as fathers name and birth date If the GRO find a match they supply the certificate, if they don't find a match you get a full refund You might try first with the fathers name as George Henry (as per 1907 marriage cert which I presume you have) along with DOB as known to you If that is rejected you could then try just George with DOB I would not mention the place of birth as that may not be correct for the registration There is always the risk they find a George Henry with son William James born on the same day as yours gives but that is unlikely As a seaman he may be away in the 1901, he may go by James rather than William in other years (or a multitude of other reasons why you can't locate him) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/09/2013 19:34, Mrs Bryn wrote: > Dear Nivard > > Thank you ever so much for your reply. It is dissapointing to see > that there is no will, as we have his parents names and his exact DOB > and POB from his Naval info but cannot trace him in any censuses or > find a birth certificate for him! I was hoping for a sibling so that > we could look for him sideways, so to speak. Ah well. This brick wall > remains steadfast still. > Kirk

Dear Nivard Thank you ever so much for your reply. It is dissapointing to see that there is no will, as we have his parents names and his exact DOB and POB from his Naval info but cannot trace him in any censuses or find a birth certificate for him! I was hoping for a sibling so that we could look for him sideways, so to speak. Ah well. This brick wall remains steadfast still. Marged- Its a sad tale as most of the crew of the Laurentic died of the cold within site of the Irish coast, if only they had all got their jumpers before hopping on the lifeboats! There is a mass grave on the Irish coast I believe, though we've not had the opportunity to visit it yet. Thanks again everyone. We shall keep looking. Kirk Probate Calendars (Ancestry) 1926 HILL William James of 47 Scyborfach streetSwansea died 25 January 1917 at sea Administration Carmarthan 4 June to Harriett Atherton (wife of William Henry Atherton) and Joseph Christelow rollerman in tin works Effects ?117 15s 9d So although it answers the question, the word Administration means there was no will Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Oddi wrth iPod Emma On 1 Sep 2013, at 14:35, ww1-uk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Probate Calendars (Ancestry) > > 1926 > > HILL William James of 47 Scyborfach street Swansea died 25 January 1917 > at sea Administration Carmarthan 4 June to Harriett Atherton (wife of > William Henry Atherton) and Joseph Christelow rollerman in tin works > Effects ?117 15s 9d > > So although it answers the question, the word Administration means there > was no will > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

My mother was four weeks old when her father died. He never saw her. He left a widow with three children. Her eldest was from her first marriage when her husband died aged 23. Then two with her second husband. My father was five when his father died - his mother married her first husband's cousin who had four children - his wife had just walked out and never been seen again (no wonder!). These two names, William Hughes (Gallipoli) and Robert Edward Ingham (Laurentic) face each other on pillars on the War Memorial in the basement of Liverpool Town Hall. My husbands FATHER served in the Royal Engineers, as a Sapper, throughout WW1, and lived to be 92, but stammered very badly, presumably through his experiences on the Somme (ma always said "He didn't stammer when I married him", which made us all wonder a bit!) Marged We are part of a large club Marged My grandfather died in 1918 leaving my mother just turned six an only child, what may have happened if he had come home and had more children, I can only wonder But we are just two of many so affected Its hard to gauge the differences in peoples lives that the war triggered Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/09/2013 15:19, Marj Bennett wrote: > Well, there you are, Nirvard - a clear-thinking explanation for me. > I suppose U-boats and torpedoes would be after the ship whether they > knew there was bullion on board or not - but when you lose both > grandfathers at sea during a war (even though you never knew them) it > makes you look for something to be angry at - as well as the war. > Although I didn't lose a beloved person, the course of my families' > lives on both sides, mother's and father's, was changed for the > worse. > > Marged ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6627 - Release Date: 08/31/13