Hi again I had a look around but nothing leaps out so far Where and when was your man born? Wifes name and children if he had either before or during his service If you are not aware already approximately two thirds of service records were destroyed during WW2 So chances are slimmer of finding a record than you do Those that survive are indexed by name and other odd varied details Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/03/2014 19:35, Sue wrote: > Hi > > I’m new to this list and have just received my grandfathers medal > card from the National Archives and at the bottom it states SWB List > RE/3939. His regiment number is 206639. > > We know he received an honourable discharge after contracting > rheumatic fever whilst serving in Egypt but I would be grateful for > any information on the list. > > Also, how I can find out information on what he actually did whilst > serving in WW1. Family say he was part of the railway section of the > REs – unfortunately we don’t know much more apart from him serving in > Egypt. > > Many thanks > > Sue Manchester/UK

Hi Sue His SWB roll entry W.R.206639 Spr BOOTH Harold Rly.Trps.Dep. Badge number B223872 Enlisted 15th June 1918 Discharged 6th June 1919 Para 392 (xvi) sickness whether served overseas Yes 21 years Will look again later is no one else finds anything Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/03/2014 19:35, Sue wrote: > Hi > > I’m new to this list and have just received my grandfathers medal card from the National Archives and at the bottom it states SWB List RE/3939. His regiment number is 206639. > > We know he received an honourable discharge after contracting rheumatic fever whilst serving in Egypt but I would be grateful for any information on the list. > > Also, how I can find out information on what he actually did whilst serving in WW1. Family say he was part of the railway section of the REs – unfortunately we don’t know much more apart from him serving in Egypt. > > Many thanks > > Sue > Manchester/UK

Hi I’m new to this list and have just received my grandfathers medal card from the National Archives and at the bottom it states SWB List RE/3939. His regiment number is 206639. We know he received an honourable discharge after contracting rheumatic fever whilst serving in Egypt but I would be grateful for any information on the list. Also, how I can find out information on what he actually did whilst serving in WW1. Family say he was part of the railway section of the REs – unfortunately we don’t know much more apart from him serving in Egypt. Many thanks Sue Manchester/UK

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I watched this almost by accident after another program had finished but found it very interesting I had not given to much thought of the relationships between the then King, The Tsar Nicolas and Kaiser Bill Well worth watching if you can Its on BBC iplayer, part one has three days to go and part two six days It certainly made me more aware of the situation leading up to the first war <http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01pw5vk> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

I can vouch that the book related to Nivard's post - Love Letters from the Front - is an excellent read and on offer at amazon at the moment. Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Jan 2014, at 22:12, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > An interesting article on the BBC > > World War One: How did 12 million letters a week reach soldiers? > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25934407> > > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

An interesting article on the BBC World War One: How did 12 million letters a week reach soldiers? <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25934407> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Heather For service records post 1920 you would need to enquire at Glasgow There is a £30 charge, there are also some hoops you may need to jump through to obtain them Such as proof of death and or relationship Do you know he served past 1920? If you have already found any service documents then he is unlikely to have served later as the earlier records should have been forwarded to his later ones Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/01/2014 22:53, Heather Smith wrote: > I should be interested to know if there is anyone who had a relative > in the 2nd Battalion, Wiltshire Regiment particularly 1918 to 1930. > I believe I have to contact Glasgow but they may not have any more > information than I already have from 1914-1918. H.Smith

I should be interested to know if there is anyone who had a relative in the 2nd Battalion, Wiltshire Regiment particularly 1918 to 1930. I believe I have to contact Glasgow but they may not have any more information than I already have from 1914-1918. H.Smith

Oh thanks for that Nivard. I shall definitely watch it having been involved in transcribing memories of WW1 soldiers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: <ww1-uk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 3:50 PM Subject: [WW1-UK] Britains Great War - BBC1 9pm 27th Jan 2014 > > Hi all > > First episode of four starts tonight at 9pm on BBC1 > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01nprmc > > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all First episode of four starts tonight at 9pm on BBC1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01nprmc -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

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Hi Alan From my own research I have found the rolls of honour were mostly compiled from local knowledge, parents, friends, relatives etc, those I have come across were mostly compiled some four or more years after the end of the war but some many years after They sometimes record all who served the war effort, including nurses etc, others record casualties only As they were compiled some time after the end of the war, the names people put forward for inclusion were sometimes from other places but the family had moved since the war so they wanted them commemorated where they lived when the lists were compiled Some have mistakes in the names, regiments or locations, as does the CWGC on occasion Some have been found to have excluded some who should rightfully be on them, local politics, affiliations, prejudices etc may have been at play In the Ancestry parish records I came across a more or less complete saga of a parish memorial, I wish I could remember which place it was now but I didn't note that at the time but it was quite detailed, down to how much was given in donations and by whom, how much the memorial was, including the wrangling over the cost for same, there were changes made over the course of the planning to fit with the budgeting, plus letters from the people involved, one was from a business owner who had declined to donate as they had donated to three others around the neighbourhood, so it painted an interesting picture of something we may consider differently these days The only man I found in the medal rolls, no doubt as you did, was as follows British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about John Middlemass Name: John Middlemass Regiment or Corps: Highland Light Infantry, Labour Corps, 43rd Battalion Royal Fusiliers Regimental Number: 24560, 582258, 102850 But he may not be the one you seek, he may not have been entitled to any medals The Parish council seems to have been a large factor in many cases, so I would see if any parish minutes or magazines survive for your target location Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/11/2013 00:03, Alan Middlemass wrote: > Has anyone got advice/ideas on what can be done, if anything, in the > following circumstances. > > This roll of honour includes a J J Middlemass. As far as I can determine > this is the only reference to him as a war casualty and I have not found > any military records in Ancestry. > > There appears to be only one birth indexed with forenames that would > produce these initials in England/Wales and he was the younger brother > to the George Edward also in the Roll of Honour but who is in CWGC > website and has a CWGC memorial at Rennington. > > The main problem would seem to be not knowing the source for this > information when the roll was printed just after the war to determine if > it is accurate. Rennington village had a website for a number of years > and it included details of George Edward's death and that of his three > sisters killed in an air raid in 1942. Whoever sourced the detail for > these four siblings seemed to be unaware of the death of the fifth. > >

Has anyone got advice/ideas on what can be done, if anything, in the following circumstances. This roll of honour includes a J J Middlemass. As far as I can determine this is the only reference to him as a war casualty and I have not found any military records in Ancestry. There appears to be only one birth indexed with forenames that would produce these initials in England/Wales and he was the younger brother to the George Edward also in the Roll of Honour but who is in CWGC website and has a CWGC memorial at Rennington. The main problem would seem to be not knowing the source for this information when the roll was printed just after the war to determine if it is accurate. Rennington village had a website for a number of years and it included details of George Edward's death and that of his three sisters killed in an air raid in 1942. Whoever sourced the detail for these four siblings seemed to be unaware of the death of the fifth. -- Alan Middlemass Bearpark, Durham, UK I have not made any attachments to this mail

Hi again April Not sure if you have discounted this man as yet But from his medal card BARTELL Albert A & SH Pte S/13765 Medal Roll Page Victory G/105 B11 802}VOL B694 British " " " } Ret'd (1743 KR) 8030/Adr Notes (in one hand) weeded (?) (in another hand, perhaps 2) NW/1/44334 NW/1/15801 8030/adr E/483301/4 (some notes on medal cards can be very difficult to work out what they mean) Where it says Ret'd (1743 KR) that stands for Kings Regulations number 1743 That is :- 1743 .Medals which,at the end of 10 years, still remain unclaimed, will be sent to the India Office (if granted for Indian service), or to the deputy director of ordnance stores, Royal Dockyard (Medal Branch), Woolwich (if granted for other service) to be broken up In other words they were not issued or claimed by anyone, they would have been sent to the address given by the soldier, but they were not accepted, ie were undeliverable, as no one later claimed them, they were destroyed One ploy that sometimes works for soldiers where their service records cannot be found is to try all the service numbers before and after his and you may get details pertinent to your man also A soldier with the number S/13751 so only 14 from your mans, whose name was Hendry BEGLEY (according to the medal cards) or Henry BEGLEY from the Silver War Badge roll (SWB noted on his medal card and issued to those who were discharged due to sickness or wounds to show they had "done their bit" (and avoid attention by the white feather merchants) His SWB roll reads S/13751 Pte BEGLEY Henry A & S Hdrs badge number 297476 enlisted 3rd Oct 1916 discharged 2nd Jan 1918 Para 392 XVI B.1. age 32 (W) Whether served Overseas = Yes nb (W) = wounds So as this man was called up and enlisted 3rd October 1916, your man is likely to have enlisted at the same time or later Regimental numbers are not always issued in strict order but usually are Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/11/2013 18:42, Ashton April wrote: > .... thank you... all this information is most useful, as there > are other scottish ancestors ............... but I am now reliably > informed that this Albert BARTELL of the Argyll & Sutherland > Highlanders was in France by 1915 < He was in 10th (Service) > Battalion which was formed at Stirling in August 1914 as part of K1 > and came under orders of 27th Brigade in 9th (Scottish) Division. > Moved to Bordon. Moved to billets in New Alresford in November and in > February 1915 went to Bramshott. 11 May 1915 : landed at Boulogne.> > But, you say < He was entitled to the British War and Victory medal > , therefore did not serve overseas pre 1916 > so I am a little > confused......... if he was in France by May 1915 he could not be my > grandfather but if he went overseas anytime around / from Nov 1915, > then he could be! > > Am I missing something.......

Hi Michael Its a big subject with many corners The medal cards were not with the service records that were damaged/destroyed in WW2 so were not damaged All the cards survive, Ancestry have most but not all of them, there are some generally for gallantry awards that are only as yet on the National Archives, usually by initial rather than whole forename Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/11/2013 18:39, Michael Allbrook wrote: > Nivard > > Thank you. I thought that everyone who was in the services was entitled to a > medal thus a card followed. As a result of your comments I looked at > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/medal-index-cards-ww1.htm which > has shown me the error of my ways. Fascinating

Hi again Michael Its by default really As all men who served in a theatre of war to the 31st of December 1915 were eligible for the 1914 Star or the 1914/15 Star, if they were not eligible they did not serve overseas before 1st Jan 1916 See <http://www.1914-1918.net/soldiers/themedals.html> (under 1914/15 Star) And <http://www.greatwar.co.uk/medals/ww1-campaign-medals.htm> To be eligible for the British War Medal the person had to leave their home shores overseas, there were other ways to be eligible but thats the main one For the Victory medal they had to enter a theatre of war So a man could be called up and serve only in England and not be eligible for medals, (although some of them were) About 8.5 million served in the British Army but the there were 6.5 million British War Medals issued Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/11/2013 18:54, Michael Allbrook wrote: > Nivard > > Where is this cut off date? It is not mentioned in the link I posted unless > I have missed that too! Surely the cut off date applies to the 1914 and the > 1914/13 Stars only > > Michael

Nivard Where is this cut off date? It is not mentioned in the link I posted unless I have missed that too! Surely the cut off date applies to the 1914 and the 1914/13 Stars only Michael -----Original Message----- From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ashton April Sent: 08 November 2013 18:42 To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] WW1 - 1917 Death .... thank you... all this information is most useful, as there are other scottish ancestors ............... but I am now reliably informed that this Albert BARTELL of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders was in France by 1915 < He was in 10th (Service) Battalion which was formed at Stirling in August 1914 as part of K1 and came under orders of 27th Brigade in 9th (Scottish) Division. Moved to Bordon. Moved to billets in New Alresford in November and in February 1915 went to Bramshott. 11 May 1915 : landed at Boulogne.> But, you say < He was entitled to the British War and Victory medal , therefore did not serve overseas pre 1916 > so I am a little confused......... if he was in France by May 1915 he could not be my grandfather but if he went overseas anytime around / from Nov 1915, then he could be! Am I missing something....... A. On 8 Nov 2013, at 17:43, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi again > > You would need to check for and download his birth registration from > scotlandspeople, it may give his mother, plus his father is they were > married, or if he was abandoned the details of where he was found, his > parents may have died pre 1901 and thats why he was in an orphanage > > He may have had siblings, again you would need to check > scotlandspeople, first for his birth, then for any parents mentioned, > then any potential siblings > > Scottish records (civil registration started 1855) are generally a lot > more detailed than the English/Welsh versions > > Without knowing where you found he was born in France its hard to > comment on that > > Re medals, I would recommend a good read of the pages here > > <http://www.1914-1918.net/soldiers/campaignmedals.html> > > His medal card is on Ancestry and the National Archives > > just search for Albert BARTELL > > There are only two on Ancestry by that name > > One being > > > British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Albert Bartell > Name: Albert Bartell > Regiment or Corps: Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders > Regimental Number: S/13765 > > He was entitled to the British War and Victory medal , therefore did > not serve overseas pre 1916 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 08/11/2013 17:15, Ashton April wrote: >> Nivard >> >> Yes, thank you...... it is also stated elsewhere that he was born in France! >> >> So not much chance of tracing next of kin, but do we know whether / where the Bn may have been before going to France, and the dates this might have been? >> >> Also did every soldier who enlisted have a medal card - the reason for my asking is that it seems that some young men who would have been conscripted or enlisted show up on neither medal cards nor in the burnt records so even with an unusual name, such as Bartle / Bartell it makes a possible entrant difficult to trace! >> >> April > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again I think Michael was telling you where that unit was But clearly that man was not with them or he would be eligible for the 1914 or 1915 star, so he might have been in the unit but did not go abroad before Jan 1916 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/11/2013 18:42, Ashton April wrote: > .... thank you... all this information is most useful, as there are other scottish ancestors ............... but I am now reliably informed that this Albert BARTELL of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders was in France by 1915 < He was in 10th (Service) Battalion which was formed at Stirling in August 1914 as part of K1 and came under orders of 27th Brigade in 9th (Scottish) Division. Moved to Bordon. Moved to billets in New Alresford in November and in February 1915 went to Bramshott. 11 May 1915 : landed at Boulogne.> But, you say < He was entitled to the British War and Victory medal , therefore did not serve overseas pre 1916 > so I am a little confused......... if he was in France by May 1915 he could not be my grandfather but if he went overseas anytime around / from Nov 1915, then he could be! > > Am I missing something....... > > A.

.... thank you... all this information is most useful, as there are other scottish ancestors ............... but I am now reliably informed that this Albert BARTELL of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders was in France by 1915 < He was in 10th (Service) Battalion which was formed at Stirling in August 1914 as part of K1 and came under orders of 27th Brigade in 9th (Scottish) Division. Moved to Bordon. Moved to billets in New Alresford in November and in February 1915 went to Bramshott. 11 May 1915 : landed at Boulogne.> But, you say < He was entitled to the British War and Victory medal , therefore did not serve overseas pre 1916 > so I am a little confused......... if he was in France by May 1915 he could not be my grandfather but if he went overseas anytime around / from Nov 1915, then he could be! Am I missing something....... A. On 8 Nov 2013, at 17:43, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi again > > You would need to check for and download his birth registration from > scotlandspeople, it may give his mother, plus his father is they were > married, or if he was abandoned the details of where he was found, his > parents may have died pre 1901 and thats why he was in an orphanage > > He may have had siblings, again you would need to check scotlandspeople, > first for his birth, then for any parents mentioned, then any potential > siblings > > Scottish records (civil registration started 1855) are generally a lot > more detailed than the English/Welsh versions > > Without knowing where you found he was born in France its hard to > comment on that > > Re medals, I would recommend a good read of the pages here > > <http://www.1914-1918.net/soldiers/campaignmedals.html> > > His medal card is on Ancestry and the National Archives > > just search for Albert BARTELL > > There are only two on Ancestry by that name > > One being > > > British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Albert Bartell > Name: Albert Bartell > Regiment or Corps: Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders > Regimental Number: S/13765 > > He was entitled to the British War and Victory medal , therefore did not > serve overseas pre 1916 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 08/11/2013 17:15, Ashton April wrote: >> Nivard >> >> Yes, thank you...... it is also stated elsewhere that he was born in France! >> >> So not much chance of tracing next of kin, but do we know whether / where the Bn may have been before going to France, and the dates this might have been? >> >> Also did every soldier who enlisted have a medal card - the reason for my asking is that it seems that some young men who would have been conscripted or enlisted show up on neither medal cards nor in the burnt records so even with an unusual name, such as Bartle / Bartell it makes a possible entrant difficult to trace! >> >> April > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message