Hi Ruth Unfortunately I think its going to be hard to work this one out without a little more to go on As it happens I too have a small soldiers bible, also with an inscription in the front in pencil, it reads From dady to master George Harry Hall my son and God bless his little heart Oct 4th 1916 After some research I found that the recipient George Harry Hall was born 26th July 1913 So the inscription was either the date of enlistment or the date he left home or similar Sadly in my case I know the outcome HALL, S M E Rank: Private Service No: 67009 Date of Death: 31/07/1917 Age: 30 Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment) 1st Bn Grave Reference XXIX. B. 18. Cemetery BUTTES NEW BRITISH CEMETERY, POLYGON WOOD Additional Information: Son of Michael and Rachel Hall, of Whetstone, Leicester; husband of Alma Hall, of Central View, Littlethorpe, Leicestershire. This has very sad parallels with my mothers life, she was born in 1912, her father went to France in 1916, and died in 1918 So I suspect the inscription you have relates to Sarah MCDONALDs father joining up or leaving home for the Army and as there are so many Sarah MCDONALDs (16 born in 1917 alone) I fear you are going to have a problem finding her origins I have changed the subject line to reflect your enquiry, so should anyone in the future be searching the archives they may more easily find it (a search would find it in the body but the subject line makes it easier) I have also posted an enquiry to Lanarkshire list with a link to your post, you never know there may be someone out there with a link Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/05/2014 00:19, Ruth Conner wrote: > Hi Nirvard, > > We have spoken before re a family member of mine a little while ago. > > Today I would like to ask you about a small WWI mini bible that my Mum found > some years ago on the ground, in Glasgow, that has the name Sarah McDonald > and date 17.1.1917 hand-written and the inscription from Lord Roberts on the > inside cover. > > As a family history researcher of over ten years I would love to be able to > pass this back to the family if she is traceable. > > Hoping you can help me out. > > Regards > Ruth (NSW Australia)

Hi Nirvard, We have spoken before re a family member of mine a little while ago. Today I would like to ask you about a small WWI mini bible that my Mum found some years ago on the ground, in Glasgow, that has the name Sarah McDonald and date 17.1.1917 hand-written and the inscription from Lord Roberts on the inside cover. As a family history researcher of over ten years I would love to be able to pass this back to the family if she is traceable. Hoping you can help me out. Regards Ruth (NSW Australia) -----Original Message----- From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, 30 April 2014 7:06 PM To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [WW1-UK] Photos of War Graves Hi all I was reminded this morning of the following service, which is a method of obtaining a photo of a war grave I obtained a photo of my grandfathers grave from them which means a great deal to me http://www.twgpp.org/ There is a small charge but it is to cover costs They are in association with the CWGC -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I was reminded this morning of the following service, which is a method of obtaining a photo of a war grave I obtained a photo of my grandfathers grave from them which means a great deal to me http://www.twgpp.org/ There is a small charge but it is to cover costs They are in association with the CWGC -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Steve You don't give any information to work on What was his name, service number and any other information If wounded he should appear in the Silver War Badge roll If you can share the photo it may also help others to help you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/04/2014 14:31, SBrainstev@aol.com wrote: > > Like many others I suspect, with the approach of the centenary of the > outbreak of the hostilities, I am keen to establish more about my grandfather's > involvement in the war. > > I know he served as a private in the Welsh regiment and enlisted in June > 1916 > He was discharged in September 1918 "no longer fit for war service" > having been wounded. > > I have been unable to discover any further details but I do have a > fascinating photograph of him and a dozen or so other convalescing soldiers in > hospital blues at some sort of, I guess, convalescent hospital. It is a very > battered photo and has been inscribed during the printing process with the > words: > > QUEEN'S C.I. and then what looks like MIREY, CHI 286 > > I am quite keen to find out where my grandfather was at that time, England > or even France, and would appreciate any offers of help / advice. > > > Steve

Steve, It’s likely that he was in a Queen’s hospital in the UK somewhere. Mirey isn’t a place, it’s a surname - perhaps that of the photographer? It’d be wonderful if you could share a scan of the photo James On 22 Apr 2014, at 14:31, SBrainstev@aol.com wrote: > > Like many others I suspect, with the approach of the centenary of the > outbreak of the hostilities, I am keen to establish more about my grandfather's > involvement in the war. > > I know he served as a private in the Welsh regiment and enlisted in June > 1916 > He was discharged in September 1918 "no longer fit for war service" > having been wounded. > > I have been unable to discover any further details but I do have a > fascinating photograph of him and a dozen or so other convalescing soldiers in > hospital blues at some sort of, I guess, convalescent hospital. It is a very > battered photo and has been inscribed during the printing process with the > words: > > QUEEN'S C.I. and then what looks like MIREY, CHI 286 > > I am quite keen to find out where my grandfather was at that time, England > or even France, and would appreciate any offers of help / advice. > > > Steve > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Like many others I suspect, with the approach of the centenary of the outbreak of the hostilities, I am keen to establish more about my grandfather's involvement in the war. I know he served as a private in the Welsh regiment and enlisted in June 1916 He was discharged in September 1918 "no longer fit for war service" having been wounded. I have been unable to discover any further details but I do have a fascinating photograph of him and a dozen or so other convalescing soldiers in hospital blues at some sort of, I guess, convalescent hospital. It is a very battered photo and has been inscribed during the printing process with the words: QUEEN'S C.I. and then what looks like MIREY, CHI 286 I am quite keen to find out where my grandfather was at that time, England or even France, and would appreciate any offers of help / advice. Steve

Hi Linda Place of death is a uniform one for anyone who died in the region (ie the western front), you can understand why they simply couldn't be explicit regarding a place of death, as there were simply to many deaths to be able to keep track of them fully, communication was not that evolved and methods of record keeping nothing like as comprehensive as it is now As in place of death, cause of death on WW1 war death certificates is generally died of wounds, killed in action, or died of disease etc not as would be the case today where the specific cause would be recorded Regarding change of regiment, many men were moved from one regiment to another for a variety of reasons, very often a regiment or unit of it became depleted due to casualties so the remainder were moved to another regiment to bolster their losses Sometimes men were wounded or incapacitated to a degree but still able or willing to serve in another way, so were transferred to a labour regiment for example Sometimes men were found to be adept at a particular function so were transferred to a more suitable unit There was no choice of the unit a man served in from 1916 onwards, previously there was some latitude given Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/04/2014 12:03, Linda Martin wrote: > Nivard > > Thank you so very much. This is him, born 1885 in Ash. He never > married. In 1911 he was a farm labourer living with his brothers in > Petham, Kent. His parents were Thomas and Elizabeth, both dead by the > time of his death. > > Some questions - how can the place of death be both France and > Flanders? And why would he have changed Regiments, or wouldn't he > have had any choice, given the need for soldiers? > > Linda

Thank you for the informative explanation.   Of course it does make sense when I think about it!   Linda ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 7:23:59 AM Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] James Cheeseman Hi Linda Place of death is a uniform one for anyone who died in the region (ie the western front), you can understand why they simply couldn't be explicit regarding a place of death, as there were simply to many deaths to be able to keep track of them fully, communication was not that evolved and methods of record keeping nothing like as comprehensive as it is now As in place of death, cause of death on WW1 war death certificates is generally died of wounds, killed in action, or died of disease etc not as would be the case today where the specific cause would be recorded Regarding change of regiment, many men were moved from one regiment to another for a variety of reasons, very often a regiment or unit of it became depleted due to casualties so the remainder were moved to another regiment to bolster their losses Sometimes men were wounded or incapacitated to a degree but still able or willing to serve in another way, so were transferred to a labour regiment for example Sometimes men were found to be adept at a particular function so were transferred to a more suitable unit There was no choice of the unit a man served in from 1916 onwards, previously there was some latitude given Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/04/2014 12:03, Linda Martin wrote: > Nivard > > Thank you so very much. This is him, born 1885 in Ash. He never > married. In 1911 he was a farm labourer living with his brothers in > Petham, Kent. His parents were Thomas and Elizabeth, both dead by the > time of his death. > > Some questions - how can the place of death be both France and > Flanders? And why would he have changed Regiments, or wouldn't he > have had any choice, given the need for soldiers? > > Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nivard Thank you so very much. This is him, born 1885 in Ash. He never married. In 1911 he was a farm labourer living with his brothers in Petham, Kent. His parents were Thomas and Elizabeth, both dead by the time of his death. Some questions - how can the place of death be both France and Flanders? And why would he have changed Regiments, or wouldn't he have had any choice, given the need for soldiers? Linda Sent from my iPad > On Apr 9, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Linda > > As you say a lot (approximately two thirds) were lost in WW2 > > His soldiers died entry states he was born in Ash Kent but unfortunately > that does not help to find his birth details > > So do you have his birth date or year, plus parents and wife if married > > The chances are that his were destroyed, of the James CHEESEMAN I > checked in the service records, none appear to be for a man who served > in the Suffolk regt or was born in Kent > > > UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about James Cheeseman > Name: James Cheeseman > Birth Place: Ash, Kent > Death Date: 14 Sep 1917 > Death Location: France & Flanders > Enlistment Location: Walsall > Rank: Private > Regiment: Suffolk Regiment > Battalion: 7th Battalion > Number: 40582 > Type of Casualty: Died of wounds > Theatre of War: Western European Theatre > Comments: Formerly 1996, South Staffs Regt > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 09/04/2014 15:44, LINDA MARTIN wrote: >> I'm wondering how I go about finding a service record for my great >> uncle James Cheeseman? I do understand a lot of the records no >> longer exist. >> >> He is buried in Duisans Cemetery, 7th Btn. Suffolk Regiment # 40582, >> died 14 September 1917. His medal card also shows he was in the >> South Staffordshire Corps. # 1996. >> >> Thank you, Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda As you say a lot (approximately two thirds) were lost in WW2 His soldiers died entry states he was born in Ash Kent but unfortunately that does not help to find his birth details So do you have his birth date or year, plus parents and wife if married The chances are that his were destroyed, of the James CHEESEMAN I checked in the service records, none appear to be for a man who served in the Suffolk regt or was born in Kent UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about James Cheeseman Name: James Cheeseman Birth Place: Ash, Kent Death Date: 14 Sep 1917 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Walsall Rank: Private Regiment: Suffolk Regiment Battalion: 7th Battalion Number: 40582 Type of Casualty: Died of wounds Theatre of War: Western European Theatre Comments: Formerly 1996, South Staffs Regt Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/04/2014 15:44, LINDA MARTIN wrote: > I'm wondering how I go about finding a service record for my great > uncle James Cheeseman? I do understand a lot of the records no > longer exist. > > He is buried in Duisans Cemetery, 7th Btn. Suffolk Regiment # 40582, > died 14 September 1917. His medal card also shows he was in the > South Staffordshire Corps. # 1996. > > Thank you, Linda

I'm wondering how I go about finding a service record for my great uncle James Cheeseman?  I do understand a lot of the records no longer exist.   He is buried in Duisans Cemetery, 7th Btn. Suffolk Regiment # 40582, died 14 September 1917.  His medal card also shows he was in the South Staffordshire Corps. # 1996.   Thank you, Linda

I have records for a soldier who in 1918 was described as a Dutyman in the Royal Fusiliers. I have been unable to find out what this means and what his duties would have been. Can anyone help? Many thanks, AP

Hi all Received this morning Although fictional I think this new series will resonate with many people as so many of our relatives went through the field hospitals, as did my grandfather and where he died in 1918 <http://bbcsignups.external.bbc.co.uk/inxmail4/html_mail.jsp?params=2784870+arbuthnot1%40gmail.com+0+00hybzq000hq600000000bjypgdsjswg> There are also other links that I think may be of interest -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi April For a start http://www.1914-1918.net/essex.htm What I would suggest is downloading the war diary for the 11th Btn Essex regiment See <http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7352352> There is a small fee but this will give you a run down on what they got up to and where Mens names rarely appear but some officers may be named Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/03/2014 11:29, Ashton April wrote: > Thanks Nivard > > Being so knowledgeable, are you able to tell me when 11th Bn of the Essex Regiment went to The Somme? Also is there any indication as to where they may have been billeted before they went to France? I am sure the information must be somewhere? > > Kind regards, > April Wood Ashton >

Thanks Nivard Being so knowledgeable, are you able to tell me when 11th Bn of the Essex Regiment went to The Somme? Also is there any indication as to where they may have been billeted before they went to France? I am sure the information must be somewhere? Kind regards, April Wood Ashton On 22 Mar 2014, at 10:56, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Quite so April > > They deserve to be found and properly recognised > > Sadly people are still being killed today by lost munitions from the > first war > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 22/03/2014 09:15, Ashton April wrote: >> ........ and according to this mornings news there are more to come....... good news indeed, and especially for those of us yet to trace ancestors lost in France in WW1. >> >> April Wood Ashton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Quite so April They deserve to be found and properly recognised Sadly people are still being killed today by lost munitions from the first war Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/03/2014 09:15, Ashton April wrote: > ........ and according to this mornings news there are more to come....... good news indeed, and especially for those of us yet to trace ancestors lost in France in WW1. > > April Wood Ashton

........ and according to this mornings news there are more to come....... good news indeed, and especially for those of us yet to trace ancestors lost in France in WW1. April Wood Ashton On 22 Mar 2014, at 09:06, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > Ten soldiers who died in World War One and whose bodies were found in > France five years ago have been named after DNA analysis of samples from > relatives. > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26690387> > > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ten soldiers who died in World War One and whose bodies were found in France five years ago have been named after DNA analysis of samples from relatives. <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26690387> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Sue You gave :- Harold BOOTH was born 16 March 1898 in Denton, Manchester Lancashire and lived in Denton all his life. He died on 11 February 1954. He married Margaret Shaw on 9 December 1925 at St Lawrence Church, Denton. We believe his address during WW1 is 7 Angel Street, Denton, Manchester. His mother was Sarah Ann Booth (nee Swindells) His father was William Booth. His brother was William Raymond Booth born 1892 (never married) who was in the RAMC and also survived WW1, RN was 357348. Also living at 7 Angel Street, Denton, Manchester. =============== The WR prefix to his service number stands for Waterways & Railways Companies of the Royal Engineers <http://www.1914-1918.net/cre.htm> Some on the RE Railway Companies <http://www.1914-1918.net/re_rlwy_cos.htm> You will see several Companies served in Egypt The BOOTH family are at 7 Angel street Denton in 1911 Its the same address on Harolds marriage certificate and again in 1929 Kellys Directory of Manchester of Salford & Suburbs 1929 Shopkeepers BOOTH Mrs Sarah Ann, 7 Angel st. Denton So it would appear they were there all that period I assume you have his baptism, 1911, marriage and probate entries Unfortunately I did not find a trace of his service record or any more on his service It may be worth checking for an absent voters list for Denton, it may record a slightly different unit reference (ie the Company perhaps) Likewise the medal roll at Kew but that would require a visit to Kew or a researcher Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > His SWB roll entry > > W.R.206639 Spr BOOTH Harold Rly.Trps.Dep. > Badge number B223872 > Enlisted 15th June 1918 > Discharged 6th June 1919 > Para 392 (xvi) sickness > whether served overseas Yes > 21 years >

Many thanks Nivard. Sue Manchester/UK -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 8:09 PM To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] SWB List/Royal Engineers - Sapper Harold BOOTH - WW1 Hi Sue His SWB roll entry W.R.206639 Spr BOOTH Harold Rly.Trps.Dep. Badge number B223872 Enlisted 15th June 1918 Discharged 6th June 1919 Para 392 (xvi) sickness whether served overseas Yes 21 years Will look again later is no one else finds anything Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/03/2014 19:35, Sue wrote: > Hi > > I’m new to this list and have just received my grandfathers medal card > from the National Archives and at the bottom it states SWB List RE/3939. > His regiment number is 206639. > > We know he received an honourable discharge after contracting rheumatic > fever whilst serving in Egypt but I would be grateful for any information > on the list. > > Also, how I can find out information on what he actually did whilst > serving in WW1. Family say he was part of the railway section of the > REs – unfortunately we don’t know much more apart from him serving in > Egypt. > > Many thanks > > Sue > Manchester/UK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message