Hi again Ancestry have a great many poor law records Newington comes under the borough of Southwark Ancestry have Admission & Discharge, Orders of Removal, Register of Children and Register of Lunatics none of the period you are interested in, all earlier So whether there are no surviving records or just not available online I don't know I would enquire of the London Metropolitan Archives to see what they have Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/05/2014 21:30, Kristen den Hartog wrote: > Thanks Nivard. That's a good place to start -- now to get to London, where those books surely are! >

Hi Kristen I would be rather surprised if most if not all households were not saving grease, rag & bones etc We still had rag & bone men in the 60's, and I gather they are making a come back now due to the high price of scrap So institutions saving anything they could in WW1 would be of no surprise to me If you can locate the minutes and accounts for the workhouse there would no doubt be mention of it therein Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/05/2014 18:43, Kristen den Hartog wrote: > Hello,I am trying to find out more about life in workhouses during > WW1, since my gg grandmother, my g grandmother and my gg aunt were > all in Newington Workhouse at that time. I recently came upon the > detail that "Newington had to adopt the common though unpleasant > practice of saving grease and bones for munitions purposes." I wonder > if this was common to all workhouses? Has anyone heard of this > before? Was there a grease and bones man who came around and picked > up the offerings? I've checked the workhouse.org.uk site but haven't > found any mentions there. Kristen

Hi again Nivard. I have looked through oodles of the Newington Workhouse and Southwark Board of Guardians books on Ancestry, though as far as I recall the minutes were not there. Still, so amazing what you can find when you really start digging. I was in London a couple of years ago and spent a lot of time at the LMA, and will do so again this next trip (I am in Toronto). Looking through those fragile old books is a real delight. Kristen > Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 23:03:30 +0100 > From: ovington.one@gmail.com > To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] grease and bones for munitions > > Hi again > > Ancestry have a great many poor law records > > Newington comes under the borough of Southwark > > Ancestry have Admission & Discharge, Orders of Removal, Register of > Children and Register of Lunatics none of the period you are interested > in, all earlier > > So whether there are no surviving records or just not available online I > don't know > > I would enquire of the London Metropolitan Archives to see what they have > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 14/05/2014 21:30, Kristen den Hartog wrote: > > Thanks Nivard. That's a good place to start -- now to get to London, where those books surely are! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Nivard. That's a good place to start -- now to get to London, where those books surely are! > Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 20:54:00 +0100 > From: ovington.one@gmail.com > To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] grease and bones for munitions > > Hi Kristen > > I would be rather surprised if most if not all households were not > saving grease, rag & bones etc > > We still had rag & bone men in the 60's, and I gather they are making a > come back now due to the high price of scrap > > So institutions saving anything they could in WW1 would be of no > surprise to me > > If you can locate the minutes and accounts for the workhouse there would > no doubt be mention of it therein > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 14/05/2014 18:43, Kristen den Hartog wrote: > > Hello,I am trying to find out more about life in workhouses during > > WW1, since my gg grandmother, my g grandmother and my gg aunt were > > all in Newington Workhouse at that time. I recently came upon the > > detail that "Newington had to adopt the common though unpleasant > > practice of saving grease and bones for munitions purposes." I wonder > > if this was common to all workhouses? Has anyone heard of this > > before? Was there a grease and bones man who came around and picked > > up the offerings? I've checked the workhouse.org.uk site but haven't > > found any mentions there. Kristen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello,I am trying to find out more about life in workhouses during WW1, since my gg grandmother, my g grandmother and my gg aunt were all in Newington Workhouse at that time. I recently came upon the detail that "Newington had to adopt the common though unpleasant practice of saving grease and bones for munitions purposes." I wonder if this was common to all workhouses? Has anyone heard of this before? Was there a grease and bones man who came around and picked up the offerings? I've checked the workhouse.org.uk site but haven't found any mentions there. Kristen

Further to the subject of the site Eastman had a blog post today which explains things a little better <http://blog.eogn.com/2014/05/12/lives-of-the-first-world-war/> From the above You can use Lives of the First World War as a Visitor, a Member, or a Friend: As a Visitor you can search for Life Stories, view all the facts people have added to Life Stories, and explore the History section. As a Member you can add to a Life Story and Remember an individual. To do this, you need to create an account and log in so we can show who has added each piece of information. Becoming a member is free. As a Friend of Lives of the First World War you can view premium content and access special features by paying a subscription. By "Friend" they mean paying customer So I am a little more comfortable with it as donated items are accessible to all freely it appears Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/05/2014 21:17, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > Hi all > > Today the IWM - Lives of the First World War went live > > This is in conjunction with DC Thompson > (the same outfit with Findmypast, Genesreunited and the BL Newspapers > plus Scotlandspeople) > > I signed up for the beta version and did not fully realise what the site > was at the time > > I am all for commemorating those who fought and the many who gave their > all, so that we can be free > > However I feel a little uneasy in uploading family letters, and other > records to a site that is then charging others to access them > > Am I right in that assumption and what do others think of the site and > paying to access

Hi again I feel the digitising of records, documents etc has opened up the possibility of access to so many more than otherwise might be able to see them Plus saves the planet through less cars and planes etc zooming around the world (I am not a save the whaler but it does make sense to me) I was very lucky to be given many old negatives from my parents picture taking over the years, from the early 1930's, I scanned them and after some restoration have shared them online via dropbox with the family, siblings and nieces and nephews, hopefully there will a better chance for their survival by doing so Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/05/2014 21:48, Marj Bennett wrote: > Thank you for your comments on the papers I have, Nirvard. My father was an AB on a destroyer at the time, but I have forgotten the name of it. I have a list somewhere amongst my mother's stuff, with all his service record on it. > > I will take your advice and be careful about what I do with these copies. > > Marj

Thank you for your comments on the papers I have, Nirvard. My father was an AB on a destroyer at the time, but I have forgotten the name of it. I have a list somewhere amongst my mother's stuff, with all his service record on it. I will take your advice and be careful about what I do with these copies. Marj This is the site by the way https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/ Re the letters you have, I would imagine there are many places very interested in them, there is a Dunkirk little ships association, the Imperial War Museum amongst others, perhaps scanning and distribute to several before depositing them, I think many people would be interested in seeing them ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4577 / Virus Database: 3931/7482 - Release Date: 05/12/14

Hi Don The site has links to the National Archives who have the medal cards (as do Ancestry) If I could be sure the access to any donated data would remain free access in perpetuity I might feel better about it, but I still feel uneasy that they are inducing people in to see data and selling them other access on the back of it, it does not feel right to me I will be quite happy to be proved wrong Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/05/2014 21:32, Don Farnham wrote: > Nivard, > > I agree with you. > > I created an account today to see my Grandfather's details, haven't had > to pay yet, and although I already have a copy of the medal card from > Ancestry, I thought I'd see what IWM had - it was only a transcription. > > I was going to add more details to his data, but again felt uneasy at > uploading documents to their website, so I have left it alone. > > I agree with you about commemorating those who lost their lives - our > village is handing out packets of red poppies to anybody this Saturday, > and will be planting them around the village. > > Don Farnham

Hi Marj No they are not paying for people to uplift records and enter data Its a sort of sub site to findmypast, accessing the same data as you can on findmypast, but relevant to the 1st War What I am unsure about is if they are charging for access to just their own records or other peoples data as well This is the site by the way https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/ Re the letters you have, I would imagine there are many places very interested in them, there is a Dunkirk little ships association, the Imperial War Museum amongst others, perhaps scanning and distribute to several before depositing them, I think many people would be interested in seeing them Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/05/2014 21:23, Marj Bennett wrote: > Nirvard, I have not signed up for any of this although I think it is very interesting. I wonder if the companies concerned actually paid families for the letters and other documents that they are now charging us to see? If so, perhaps there is some justification for the charges, and I certainly have no objection to families selling their documents if there is no more interest from them. > > At the moment, my own family are not particularly interested in the stuff I have in my possession, which includes carbon copies of Churchill's messages to the ships at Dunkirk - my father was on one of those ships and was friendly with the radio officer, who gave him a set of carbon copies. > > I think I would prefer to hand them to, perhaps, the Liverpool Maritime Museum, now that there is a chance that they might be on display, rather than mouldering in some storeroom as has happened in the past - that's if my family show no interest before I go to the happy hunting ground! > > Marj

Nivard, I agree with you. I created an account today to see my Grandfather's details, haven't had to pay yet, and although I already have a copy of the medal card from Ancestry, I thought I'd see what IWM had - it was only a transcription. I was going to add more details to his data, but again felt uneasy at uploading documents to their website, so I have left it alone. I agree with you about commemorating those who lost their lives - our village is handing out packets of red poppies to anybody this Saturday, and will be planting them around the village. Don Farnham On 12/05/2014 21:17, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi all > > Today the IWM - Lives of the First World War went live > > This is in conjunction with DC Thompson > (the same outfit with Findmypast, Genesreunited and the BL Newspapers > plus Scotlandspeople) > > I signed up for the beta version and did not fully realise what the site > was at the time > > I am all for commemorating those who fought and the many who gave their > all, so that we can be free > > However I feel a little uneasy in uploading family letters, and other > records to a site that is then charging others to access them > > Am I right in that assumption and what do others think of the site and > paying to access

Nirvard, I have not signed up for any of this although I think it is very interesting. I wonder if the companies concerned actually paid families for the letters and other documents that they are now charging us to see? If so, perhaps there is some justification for the charges, and I certainly have no objection to families selling their documents if there is no more interest from them. At the moment, my own family are not particularly interested in the stuff I have in my possession, which includes carbon copies of Churchill's messages to the ships at Dunkirk - my father was on one of those ships and was friendly with the radio officer, who gave him a set of carbon copies. I think I would prefer to hand them to, perhaps, the Liverpool Maritime Museum, now that there is a chance that they might be on display, rather than mouldering in some storeroom as has happened in the past - that's if my family show no interest before I go to the happy hunting ground! Marj Hi all Today the IWM - Lives of the First World War went live This is in conjunction with DC Thompson (the same outfit with Findmypast, Genesreunited and the BL Newspapers plus Scotlandspeople) I signed up for the beta version and did not fully realise what the site was at the time I am all for commemorating those who fought and the many who gave their all, so that we can be free However I feel a little uneasy in uploading family letters, and other records to a site that is then charging others to access them Am I right in that assumption and what do others think of the site and paying to access -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4577 / Virus Database: 3931/7482 - Release Date: 05/12/14

Hi all Today the IWM - Lives of the First World War went live This is in conjunction with DC Thompson (the same outfit with Findmypast, Genesreunited and the BL Newspapers plus Scotlandspeople) I signed up for the beta version and did not fully realise what the site was at the time I am all for commemorating those who fought and the many who gave their all, so that we can be free However I feel a little uneasy in uploading family letters, and other records to a site that is then charging others to access them Am I right in that assumption and what do others think of the site and paying to access -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

I have been asked by the Cleobury Mortimer branch of the Royal British Legion if there are any details about a Prisoner of War. So far I have drawn a blank so would be most grateful for your comments. The only evidence is a photograph of a man in civilian dress marked Trooper C? H. Lloyd, Ada-Puynur, Turkey. "This Photo was taken at Ada-Puynur, 15/10/1917". His number is given as 3047. It is thought that he is a local man perhaps in the Worcestershire Regiment. Kind regards Dr Paddy Treves On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com>wrote: > > The National Archives November Newsletter > > Very much themed to the First War > > <http://enews.nationalarchives.gov.uk/MAN-1Y772-3B3BOJA042/cr.aspx> > > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for taking the trouble to send this to the list, Sheila. Obviously there was a happy ending of sorts for your relative, and I am glad. I wish I had a letter like that from either one of my grandfathers, who both died at sea in WW1, and whose names now face each other on war memorial panels in Liverpool Town Hall. Your great uncle was obviously a lovely, caring man, to have written such a lovely letter to his little boy. Marged Hi list I was going through some old folders and read a couple of WW1 letters. This one made me sad The letter was handwritten on 3 sheets about 4x6 size. This my granduncle Thomas Tyacke to his son Cecil. I typed it out to better read it and preserve it. I thought I would share Thomas F. Tyacke serving with the British Royal Navy on 6 - 10- 1914 he was on the HMS Bellona He wrote this letter to his dear son to be remembered by...... H.M.S Bellona G.P.O. London 6 - 10 - 14 Dear Cecil This is to congratulate you on attaining your third birthday. I hope you are a good boy and do not worry mother too much. I sincerely hope you will live to enjoy plenty of birthdays in the future & you will grow up to be a straight forward & honest man. If anything should happen to me during this terrible war you must work & look after your mother when you grow up. I hope that I shall be home with you on your next birthday, then we shall have a jolly time all together. If anything should happen to me I cannot help thinking that it will make a great change in your future. Still your mother will work for you until you are old enough. Then will come your chance to protect her. Now my dear boy you will not understand this now but you will later on in life. So you must keep this message from your dear dad when he is fighting the cause of his country, for such as you youngsters that is coming on & will for the generation to come. Now again I must congratulate you on your birthday & hope you will spared for a good number to come. Love from your loving father ( he drew a picture of a bird here) Tom xxxxxx Thomas Francis Tyacke was sent to a semi-private school "Stoke Public School " which specialized in preparing boys for the Naval Dockyard apprentices. Thomas succeeded in passing 104 out of 2,000 boys and so passed on to shipwright work and then joined the Navy and ended up a Lieutenant. He served the Royal Navy with distinction during the First World War. He immigrated to Canada in 1920. On the British navy's reserve list he was callled into action again in the Second World War, serving as a lieutenant shipwright attached to Canadian naval headquarters in Halifax. Thomas was a Canadian customs officer in Sudbury , Ont. for 24 years and retired in 1955 ~~~~~ Cheers Sheila ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4577 / Virus Database: 3931/7443 - Release Date: 05/05/14

Your Welcome Marged I did think it was sad but again a sweet letter so thought I would share. He did make it home from the war so a happy ending indeed Sheila > From: marged36@btopenworld.com > To: ; ww1-uk@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:37:25 +0100 > Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] WW 1 letter to son > > Thank you for taking the trouble to send this to the list, Sheila. Obviously there was a happy ending of sorts for your relative, and I am glad. I wish I had a letter like that from either one of my grandfathers, who both died at sea in WW1, and whose names now face each other on war memorial panels in Liverpool Town Hall. > > Your great uncle was obviously a lovely, caring man, to have written such a lovely letter to his little boy. > > Marged

Hi list I was going through some old folders and read a couple of WW1 letters. This one made me sad The letter was handwritten on 3 sheets about 4x6 size. This my granduncle Thomas Tyacke to his son Cecil. I typed it out to better read it and preserve it. I thought I would share Thomas F. Tyacke serving with the British Royal Navy on 6 - 10- 1914 he was on the HMS Bellona He wrote this letter to his dear son to be remembered by...... H.M.S Bellona G.P.O. London 6 - 10 - 14 Dear Cecil This is to congratulate you on attaining your third birthday. I hope you are a good boy and do not worry mother too much. I sincerely hope you will live to enjoy plenty of birthdays in the future & you will grow up to be a straight forward & honest man. If anything should happen to me during this terrible war you must work & look after your mother when you grow up. I hope that I shall be home with you on your next birthday, then we shall have a jolly time all together. If anything should happen to me I cannot help thinking that it will make a great change in your future. Still your mother will work for you until you are old enough. Then will come your chance to protect her. Now my dear boy you will not understand this now but you will later on in life. So you must keep this message from your dear dad when he is fighting the cause of his country, for such as you youngsters that is coming on & will for the generation to come. Now again I must congratulate you on your birthday & hope you will spared for a good number to come. Love from your loving father ( he drew a picture of a bird here) Tom xxxxxx Thomas Francis Tyacke was sent to a semi-private school "Stoke Public School " which specialized in preparing boys for the Naval Dockyard apprentices. Thomas succeeded in passing 104 out of 2,000 boys and so passed on to shipwright work and then joined the Navy and ended up a Lieutenant. He served the Royal Navy with distinction during the First World War. He immigrated to Canada in 1920. On the British navy's reserve list he was callled into action again in the Second World War, serving as a lieutenant shipwright attached to Canadian naval headquarters in Halifax. Thomas was a Canadian customs officer in Sudbury , Ont. for 24 years and retired in 1955 ~~~~~ Cheers Sheila

On 28 June 1914, Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated in Sarajevo ... and the world went to war. On Saturday 28 June 2014 the Oxfordshire Family History Society is holding a one day conference as part of the general and growing interest surrounding the centenary of the First World War and supported by the Federation of Family History Societies' 40th Anniversary sponsorship programme. Pip, Squeak and Wilfred - the record legacy of 1914-1918 Saturday 28 June 2014 at the Marlborough School, Woodstock, Oxon. For just £10/person we have five good talks by five good speakers as well as displays to keep you busy through the breaks. Our plan for the day is to highlight some of the less obvious records of the period without ignoring the most obvious - medals and service records. The day is being jointly sponsored by Oxfordshire FHS and the Federation of Family History Societies. We’ll provide you with tea and coffee during the day, but we’ve kept the cost to a minimum by asking you to bring your own lunch. (Please note that there are no options to buy lunch close to the venue.) For more information or to book please visit our web site - http://www.ofhs.org.uk If you have further questions, please email Malcolm at - psw@ofhs.org.uk Please pass this email on to anyone else you think might be interested in attending this day conference. We look forward to meeting you, your friends and your memorabilia on 28 June. -- Malcolm Austen <psw@ofhs.org.uk>

Hi Nivard, Thank you so much for all of this. All good valuable learning and information. Thanks for sharing. Sounds like I may have to keep it or donate it if nothing turns up but will wait a while. Mum's been gone eight years and had it for a while beforehand - some poor soul has dropped it on the street. Thank you for forwarding to the Lanarkshire list too. You do well - for everyone. Kind Regards Ruth -----Original Message----- From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2014 7:11 PM To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] Sarah MCDONALD bible 17th Jan 1917 Glasgow Hi Ruth Unfortunately I think its going to be hard to work this one out without a little more to go on As it happens I too have a small soldiers bible, also with an inscription in the front in pencil, it reads From dady to master George Harry Hall my son and God bless his little heart Oct 4th 1916 After some research I found that the recipient George Harry Hall was born 26th July 1913 So the inscription was either the date of enlistment or the date he left home or similar Sadly in my case I know the outcome HALL, S M E Rank: Private Service No: 67009 Date of Death: 31/07/1917 Age: 30 Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment) 1st Bn Grave Reference XXIX. B. 18. Cemetery BUTTES NEW BRITISH CEMETERY, POLYGON WOOD Additional Information: Son of Michael and Rachel Hall, of Whetstone, Leicester; husband of Alma Hall, of Central View, Littlethorpe, Leicestershire. This has very sad parallels with my mothers life, she was born in 1912, her father went to France in 1916, and died in 1918 So I suspect the inscription you have relates to Sarah MCDONALDs father joining up or leaving home for the Army and as there are so many Sarah MCDONALDs (16 born in 1917 alone) I fear you are going to have a problem finding her origins I have changed the subject line to reflect your enquiry, so should anyone in the future be searching the archives they may more easily find it (a search would find it in the body but the subject line makes it easier) I have also posted an enquiry to Lanarkshire list with a link to your post, you never know there may be someone out there with a link Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/05/2014 00:19, Ruth Conner wrote: > Hi Nirvard, > > We have spoken before re a family member of mine a little while ago. > > Today I would like to ask you about a small WWI mini bible that my Mum found > some years ago on the ground, in Glasgow, that has the name Sarah McDonald > and date 17.1.1917 hand-written and the inscription from Lord Roberts on the > inside cover. > > As a family history researcher of over ten years I would love to be able to > pass this back to the family if she is traceable. > > Hoping you can help me out. > > Regards > Ruth (NSW Australia) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again There was another suggestion that came from a Lanark list subscriber Could the bible have been Sarah MCDONALDs own bible, could she have been a nurse perhaps I did check the British Army nurses service records on the National Archives (Kew) but no Sarah MCDONALD (11 other MCDONALDs) Unfortunately there are a lot of Sarah MCDONALDs in the 1901 of Scotland with a reference to Glasgow (83) so its impossible to tell one from another I am sure you would have said, but are there any other identifiers in the bible? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> Today I would like to ask you about a small WWI mini bible that my Mum > found >> some years ago on the ground, in Glasgow, that has the name Sarah McDonald >> and date 17.1.1917 hand-written and the inscription from Lord Roberts on > the >> inside cover. >> >> As a family history researcher of over ten years I would love to be able > to >> pass this back to the family if she is traceable. >> >> Hoping you can help me out. >> >> Regards >> Ruth (NSW Australia)