Thanks Marjorie, I have joined this forum, and hopefully I might find out some more information. Sent from my iPad > On 27 May 2014, at 21:42, Marjorie Morrison <mporteousmorriso@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > the following link has some interesting information on the 3rd > battalion, the Black Watch. Might be worth joining the forum? > > http://blackwatchforums.co.uk/showthread.php?15019-3rd-battalion-special-reserve-on-the-Somme-late-1916 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Scottish soldiers wills have just become available <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-27575187> They are on scotlandspeople and cost 2.50gbp each or 10 credits Already available Irish soldiers wills, which are free <http://soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie/search/sw/home.jsp> And the English/Welsh soldiers wills https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/ Which are a horrendous price by comparison at ten pounds Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi, the following link has some interesting information on the 3rd battalion, the Black Watch. Might be worth joining the forum? http://blackwatchforums.co.uk/showthread.php?15019-3rd-battalion-special-reserve-on-the-Somme-late-1916

Hi Doreen A small amount on the 3rd Btn here http://www.1914-1918.net/blackwatch.htm Sadly I did not find anything else on your man Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/05/2014 10:49, DOREEN CUTHBERT wrote: > My grandfather, John Stevenson Dick, was born in Dundee in 1894. > Before the war, he joined the Hong Kong Police. In 1916, he returned > to Scotland, and a few weeks later was married. His marriage > certificate states that he was in 3rd Battalion Black Watch. I have > recently discovered that this was a reserve battalion, and it would > appear that they did not go to war. As a child I was told that he was > in The Black Watch during WW1, but nothing more, and at the time > didn't think to ask. > > I have been unable to find any records relating to this service. Can > anyone tell me any more about this battalion, or about where we can > find records.

My grandfather, John Stevenson Dick, was born in Dundee in 1894. Before the war, he joined the Hong Kong Police. In 1916, he returned to Scotland, and a few weeks later was married. His marriage certificate states that he was in 3rd Battalion Black Watch. I have recently discovered that this was a reserve battalion, and it would appear that they did not go to war. As a child I was told that he was in The Black Watch during WW1, but nothing more, and at the time didn't think to ask. I have been unable to find any records relating to this service. Can anyone tell me any more about this battalion, or about where we can find records. Sent from my iPad

Hi James I suspect he would weep, given the blood spilt in the two world wars alone But that is not a conversation we should be having on this list Two subjects that should be avoided are present day politics and religion Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/05/2014 09:48, James Bunker wrote: > but i wonder what your grandfather would have made of today’s political and economic climate.

but i wonder what your grandfather would have made of today’s political and economic climate. On 25 May 2014, at 22:35, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi all > > My grandfather, Thomas George YOELL sent a postcard back from the > trenches, dated October 6th 1918 > > As best as I can tell, as its old and dirty and written in pencil, it > reads :- > > 6 Oct 1918 > > Dearest > > Hope the strike has finished. our boys are doing fine here but would > gladly change places with the disenchanted ones at home > > Hub. > > ==== > > He died seven weeks later on the 24th November 1918 in the flu pandemic > that swept the world killing approx 50 million > > ==== > > Daily Mirror May 17 1915 > > Both Sides of The Strike > > The demands of the men and the reply of the London County Council are, > briefly : > > What the Men Want > > A 15 per cent war bonus > Increased overtime rates > Less overlapping of hours > A reduction in working hours > > The L.C.C. Reply : > The men are well paid > Average weekly earnings of motor men are £1 19s 9d > Average weekly earnings of conductors are £1 16s 7d > By striking the men have violated their agreements, which should have > remained in force until June 26 > > ==== > > To give some context, the infantry private in 1914 was paid 1/- (one > shilling) per day , ie 7/- (seven shillings) per week > > > I will leave you to draw your own conclusions > > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all My grandfather, Thomas George YOELL sent a postcard back from the trenches, dated October 6th 1918 As best as I can tell, as its old and dirty and written in pencil, it reads :- 6 Oct 1918 Dearest Hope the strike has finished. our boys are doing fine here but would gladly change places with the disenchanted ones at home Hub. ==== He died seven weeks later on the 24th November 1918 in the flu pandemic that swept the world killing approx 50 million ==== Daily Mirror May 17 1915 Both Sides of The Strike The demands of the men and the reply of the London County Council are, briefly : What the Men Want A 15 per cent war bonus Increased overtime rates Less overlapping of hours A reduction in working hours The L.C.C. Reply : The men are well paid Average weekly earnings of motor men are £1 19s 9d Average weekly earnings of conductors are £1 16s 7d By striking the men have violated their agreements, which should have remained in force until June 26 ==== To give some context, the infantry private in 1914 was paid 1/- (one shilling) per day , ie 7/- (seven shillings) per week I will leave you to draw your own conclusions -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Kieran Don't panic we have all done it :-) Its just a tad confusing to those of us who are already confused enough <bg> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/05/2014 17:06, Kieran wrote: > I mistakenly posted the same question twice. I'm so sorry. > Thanks to Nivard for his answers. > Kieran

Hi Kieran I thought I was having a touch of deja vu for a minute Is this not the same enquiry you posted on the 15th? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/05/2014 16:59, Kieran wrote: > I wonder if any of you experts can help me determine or direct me how to > find out a soldier's Battalion. > My Great Grandfather Private Denis Healy 5870 of The Royal Munster > Fusiliers was awarded the 1915 Star > with the qualifying date on the medal card of December 19th 1915 and the > theatre of war: France. > How can I find out which battalions of the Munsters were in France and > where on that date ? > Many Thanks............Kieran Healy

I should be interested to know of any WW1 soldiers who served in the Wiltshire Regiment 2nd Battalion, particularly and photos of that regiment please. Heather Smith

Hi Nivard Thank you for your reply - it explains everything. Yes, he was probably caught up in the conscription drive 1916 / 1917. A pity if his war record hasn't survived but I shall check the medal rolls at Kew next time I visit and see what other information I can find. Many thanks Jill On 19 May 2014 23:36, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jill > > The answer to why he served in those regiments is simply that, that is > where the Army put him > > If I have the right man he was born in 1898, therefore was conscripted > 1916 onwards, until the end of 1915 men had a certain amount of choice > as to the regiment they joined, 1916 onwards with conscription they were > put where the Army needed them, there was no connection between a mans > birthplace and the regiment > > He would have served with the HLI, then possibly due to casualties in > the HLI, he was moved to the Royal Scots, likewise to the East Surrey > Regt when the Army wanted him there > > Approx two thirds of service records were lost in WW2, your mans appears > to be one of those lost > > The medal rolls at Kew may give a little more on the specific unit he > served in, armed with that the war diary for that unit may help you with > where they got to and what actions if any > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 19/05/2014 23:24, strobridge jill wrote: > > Hello > > > > I see from Ancestry's Medal Cards Index that Albert G Strobridge saw > > service in three different regiments during WWI. I am however rather > > puzzled that although he was born and brought up and was living in > > Camberwell, London (Surrey) his first regiment was the Highland Light > > Infantry. He then moved on to the Royal Scots before ending up in the > East > > Surrey Regiment - which is where I would have expected him to have been > in > > the first place. > > > > Can anyone suggest why he would have been enlisted in two Scottish > > regiments prior to the Surrey one since he has absolutely no Scottish > > connections at all that I am aware of. His father was of London / Kent > > ancestry and his mother was London (Bermondsey) / Lincoln (Market > > Raisen). > > > > Unfortunately no dates are given but since these are index cards will I > be > > able to find further information at Kew? > > > > Many thanks > > Jill Strobridge > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I mistakenly posted the same question twice. I'm so sorry. Thanks to Nivard for his answers. Kieran --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I wonder if any of you experts can help me determine or direct me how to find out a soldier's Battalion. My Great Grandfather Private Denis Healy 5870 of The Royal Munster Fusiliers was awarded the 1915 Star with the qualifying date on the medal card of December 19th 1915 and the theatre of war: France. How can I find out which battalions of the Munsters were in France and where on that date ? Many Thanks............Kieran Healy --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Jill The answer to why he served in those regiments is simply that, that is where the Army put him If I have the right man he was born in 1898, therefore was conscripted 1916 onwards, until the end of 1915 men had a certain amount of choice as to the regiment they joined, 1916 onwards with conscription they were put where the Army needed them, there was no connection between a mans birthplace and the regiment He would have served with the HLI, then possibly due to casualties in the HLI, he was moved to the Royal Scots, likewise to the East Surrey Regt when the Army wanted him there Approx two thirds of service records were lost in WW2, your mans appears to be one of those lost The medal rolls at Kew may give a little more on the specific unit he served in, armed with that the war diary for that unit may help you with where they got to and what actions if any Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/05/2014 23:24, strobridge jill wrote: > Hello > > I see from Ancestry's Medal Cards Index that Albert G Strobridge saw > service in three different regiments during WWI. I am however rather > puzzled that although he was born and brought up and was living in > Camberwell, London (Surrey) his first regiment was the Highland Light > Infantry. He then moved on to the Royal Scots before ending up in the East > Surrey Regiment - which is where I would have expected him to have been in > the first place. > > Can anyone suggest why he would have been enlisted in two Scottish > regiments prior to the Surrey one since he has absolutely no Scottish > connections at all that I am aware of. His father was of London / Kent > ancestry and his mother was London (Bermondsey) / Lincoln (Market > Raisen). > > Unfortunately no dates are given but since these are index cards will I be > able to find further information at Kew? > > Many thanks > Jill Strobridge

Hello I see from Ancestry's Medal Cards Index that Albert G Strobridge saw service in three different regiments during WWI. I am however rather puzzled that although he was born and brought up and was living in Camberwell, London (Surrey) his first regiment was the Highland Light Infantry. He then moved on to the Royal Scots before ending up in the East Surrey Regiment - which is where I would have expected him to have been in the first place. Can anyone suggest why he would have been enlisted in two Scottish regiments prior to the Surrey one since he has absolutely no Scottish connections at all that I am aware of. His father was of London / Kent ancestry and his mother was London (Bermondsey) / Lincoln (Market Raisen). Unfortunately no dates are given but since these are index cards will I be able to find further information at Kew? Many thanks Jill Strobridge

Hi Kieran, >From British Regiments by EA James: pages 109/110. The following Battalions were in France during December 1915. 2nd Bn, 8th [Service] Bn and the 9th [Service] Bn. Hope this helps, Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ww1-uk-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 16 May 2014 08:01 To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: WW1-UK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 22 Today's Topics: 1. Determining a Soldiers Battalion (Kieran) 2. Re: Determining a Soldiers Battalion (Nivard Ovington) 3. Re: Determining a Soldiers Battalion (Nivard Ovington) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 08:20:13 -0700 From: Kieran <kieran@lighting-design.tv> Subject: [WW1-UK] Determining a Soldiers Battalion To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5374DB2D.6040907@lighting-design.tv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I wonder if any of you experts can help me determine or direct me how to find out a soldier's Battalion. My Great Grandfather Private Denis Healy 5870 of The Royal Munster Fusiliers was awarded the 1915 Star with the qualifying date on the medal card of December 19th 1915 and the theatre of war: France. How can I find out which battalions of the Munsters were in France and where on that date ? Many Thanks............Kieran Healy --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 16:59:34 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] Determining a Soldiers Battalion To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5374E466.6000000@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Kieren I would get someone to check out the medal rolls at Kew Use the references on the medal card The medal rolls for many regiments will list the battalion or unit they served with Failing that, do you know where he would have been living in 1918/19, if you do check that area to see if there is an absent voters list, it should list the regiment, service number, rank and may have the unit You will need the address though and hope the list survives, not all do Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/05/2014 16:20, Kieran wrote: > I wonder if any of you experts can help me determine or direct me how > to find out a soldier's Battalion. > My Great Grandfather Private Denis Healy 5870 of The Royal Munster > Fusiliers was awarded the 1915 Star with the qualifying date on the > medal card of December 19th 1915 and the theatre of war: France. > How can I find out which battalions of the Munsters were in France and > where on that date ? > Many Thanks............Kieran Healy ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 17:28:17 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] Determining a Soldiers Battalion To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5374EB21.9050802@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Further to my last An excellent site for all things to do with WW1 is the Long Long Trail From there http://www.1914-1918.net/rmf.htm It would appear the only battalions in France in that period would be the 8th (Service) Battalion or the 9th (Service) Battalion If you go to the National Archives site (Kew), select online collections, then Army, search the war diaries you will find one for each (8th & 9th battalions) in the period you are interested in, you can download them for a small fee They generally do not mention men by name unless they did something particularly outstanding but do give an idea of the actions they were part of and the day to day movements of the unit Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/05/2014 16:20, Kieran wrote: > I wonder if any of you experts can help me determine or direct me how > to find out a soldier's Battalion. > My Great Grandfather Private Denis Healy 5870 of The Royal Munster > Fusiliers was awarded the 1915 Star with the qualifying date on the > medal card of December 19th 1915 and the theatre of war: France. > How can I find out which battalions of the Munsters were in France and > where on that date ? > Many Thanks............Kieran Healy ------------------------------ End of WW1-UK Digest, Vol 8, Issue 22 *************************************

Further to my last An excellent site for all things to do with WW1 is the Long Long Trail From there http://www.1914-1918.net/rmf.htm It would appear the only battalions in France in that period would be the 8th (Service) Battalion or the 9th (Service) Battalion If you go to the National Archives site (Kew), select online collections, then Army, search the war diaries you will find one for each (8th & 9th battalions) in the period you are interested in, you can download them for a small fee They generally do not mention men by name unless they did something particularly outstanding but do give an idea of the actions they were part of and the day to day movements of the unit Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/05/2014 16:20, Kieran wrote: > I wonder if any of you experts can help me determine or direct me how to > find out a soldier's Battalion. > My Great Grandfather Private Denis Healy 5870 of The Royal Munster > Fusiliers was awarded the 1915 Star > with the qualifying date on the medal card of December 19th 1915 and the > theatre of war: France. > How can I find out which battalions of the Munsters were in France and > where on that date ? > Many Thanks............Kieran Healy

Hi Kieren I would get someone to check out the medal rolls at Kew Use the references on the medal card The medal rolls for many regiments will list the battalion or unit they served with Failing that, do you know where he would have been living in 1918/19, if you do check that area to see if there is an absent voters list, it should list the regiment, service number, rank and may have the unit You will need the address though and hope the list survives, not all do Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/05/2014 16:20, Kieran wrote: > I wonder if any of you experts can help me determine or direct me how to > find out a soldier's Battalion. > My Great Grandfather Private Denis Healy 5870 of The Royal Munster > Fusiliers was awarded the 1915 Star > with the qualifying date on the medal card of December 19th 1915 and the > theatre of war: France. > How can I find out which battalions of the Munsters were in France and > where on that date ? > Many Thanks............Kieran Healy

I wonder if any of you experts can help me determine or direct me how to find out a soldier's Battalion. My Great Grandfather Private Denis Healy 5870 of The Royal Munster Fusiliers was awarded the 1915 Star with the qualifying date on the medal card of December 19th 1915 and the theatre of war: France. How can I find out which battalions of the Munsters were in France and where on that date ? Many Thanks............Kieran Healy --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com