Good to hear someones still around :-) As its titled it is a Concise Chronicle But useful all the same, and the price is right ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/10/2015 17:59, Ian Sage wrote: > There's at least one more person still here! Thanks for that reference, > Nivard - though it is very concise and seems to leave out most of the > events of significance to my rellies! I'm not too surprised that it > omits the battle of Boar's Head (30th June 1916) as it was overshadowed > by the Somme offensive, but I thought it might mention the sinking of SS > Shirala, 2nd July 1918 where my uncle Joseph Thomas Elrington Preston > was a passenger. But I guess submarine attacks were too commonplace at > that time. > > Ian >

There's at least one more person still here! Thanks for that reference, Nivard - though it is very concise and seems to leave out most of the events of significance to my rellies! I'm not too surprised that it omits the battle of Boar's Head (30th June 1916) as it was overshadowed by the Somme offensive, but I thought it might mention the sinking of SS Shirala, 2nd July 1918 where my uncle Joseph Thomas Elrington Preston was a passenger. But I guess submarine attacks were too commonplace at that time. Ian On 04/10/15 16:58, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > Hi all > > Or am I talking to myself? > > Boy its quiet on the lists isn't it ? > > I wondered if the following may be of interest to some > > A concise chronicle of events of the great war > by Rowe, Reginald Percy Pfeiffer, 1868- > > Published 1920 > Topics World War, 1914-1918 > > Available for free download at archive.org (texts) > > There are various download options, I find the PDF version the best, > (7th option as there are two pdfs) >

Hi all Or am I talking to myself? Boy its quiet on the lists isn't it ? I wondered if the following may be of interest to some A concise chronicle of events of the great war by Rowe, Reginald Percy Pfeiffer, 1868- Published 1920 Topics World War, 1914-1918 Available for free download at archive.org (texts) There are various download options, I find the PDF version the best, (7th option as there are two pdfs) -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Yep, I'm still here, reading when someone posts. But I'm a shy person. I had always hoped that one day I'd be able to go to England and Scotland to see where my parents were born and the areas they had lived in, but....... I think the time for me to wish on that has gone. Sheila -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 8:58 AM To: ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: [WW1-UK] Anyone still around ? Hi all Or am I talking to myself? Boy its quiet on the lists isn't it ? I wondered if the following may be of interest to some A concise chronicle of events of the great war by Rowe, Reginald Percy Pfeiffer, 1868- Published 1920 Topics World War, 1914-1918 Available for free download at archive.org (texts) There are various download options, I find the PDF version the best, (7th option as there are two pdfs) -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi April In short correct See <http://www.greatwar.co.uk/research/military-records/british-officers-ww1-service-records.htm> And <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-army-officers-after-1913/> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/09/2015 18:18, Ashton April via wrote: > Am I correct in understanding that those WW1 Attestation Papers of Officers, that survived, are not available on line - as they are for "Other Ranks" > > April Wood Ashton

Am I correct in understanding that those WW1 Attestation Papers of Officers, that survived, are not available on line - as they are for "Other Ranks" April Wood Ashton

<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11609989/Reburied-by-their-descendants-two-British-WW1-soldiers-who-fell-far-from-home.html> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi list, Am looking for Enoch C. STACEY whose service records seem to be lost in WW2 German bombing. His Medal Card i.e. Victory & British Medals mention RAMC/101B18 page 1245. Nothing else in the lines of “Theatres of War” or “Date of Entry therein”. Family lore mentions him as a “stretcher bearer”. He was born in Sheffield in 1888 to Enoch Clifford Peacock STACEY & Kate BOSWORTH. Firstly mention as M.I.A. then K.I.A. but he turned up on his doorstep sometime between children born June Quarter 1916 and March Quarter 1920. Can further progress be achieved on the Medals details? Many thanks for your help with my query. Michele in Australia

Go to National Archives Australia, search the records, put in full name and the record will come up. All WW1 AIF records are available on line free. AWM sites have a short record for individuals of WW1 and the embarkation and nominal rolls. The National Archives is the only place to go for full record. Regards, MAry -----Original Message----- From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ashton April via Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2015 10:45 PM To: WW1-UK@rootsweb.com Subject: [WW1-UK] Australian Imperial Force. Can someone tell me whether WW1Australian Service records are available on line as I have traced the Australian Imperial Force Embarkation Roll 1914-1918 from Findmypast, which gives me details of unit with service number of an ancestor.... thank you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes they are. Just google Ww1 records Australia and they'll come up Al available free /www.awm.gov.au/people/roll-search/nominal_rolls/first_world_war/ Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia At 08:45 PM 28/04/2015, you wrote: >Can someone tell me whether WW1Australian Service records are available on >line as I have traced the Australian Imperial Force Embarkation Roll >1914-1918 from Findmypast, which gives me details of unit with service >number of an ancestor.... thank you. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Can someone tell me whether WW1Australian Service records are available on line as I have traced the Australian Imperial Force Embarkation Roll 1914-1918 from Findmypast, which gives me details of unit with service number of an ancestor.... thank you.

What should be remembered that at the outbreak of WW1 New Zealand was still a relatively new country of approximately one million people, so pro rata their contribution was significant. Those figures don't lie. Jim Cleary, NZ

David I must disagree with you. Whilst this war has particular significance to the ANZAC's, around which our commemorations are based, we are well aware of the high price paid by England, France and other nationalities in this very poorly planned and executed war, we do recognise them all - including the seamen! I am presently in Gallipoli (for the ANZAC Centenary Commemorations) looking at ALL Sides. Next week it's the Western Front. Geoff Dare Sent from my iPad > On 25 Apr 2015, at 3:20 am, David Edwards via <ww1-uk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Nicely said Marj. > > Unfortunately most Australians and New Zealanders often overlook the fact > that about 2 1/2 times their number of British Empire troops (not > including ANZACs) died at Gallipoli, and are mostly unaware that three > times their number of FRENCH soldiers also died at Gallipoli - such is the > power of the gutter press and commercial media. People believe what they > want to believe. > > Veritatem petite - seek the truth - should of course be every genealogists > motto. > > David > > On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 03:53:10 +1000, Marj Bennett via <ww1-uk@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Of all who died 100 years ago, including my grand father AB William >> Hughes aged 35, who died this day, exactly four weeks after my mother >> was born. >> >> Marj >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4311/9615 - Release Date: 04/24/15 >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > ----- > David Edwards > ----- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for all this information Michael, especially for the book references which I will try and follow up as I would love to have further information about my grandfather. I note that Father Finn is buried in V Beach Cemetery Cape Helles, the same cemetery as William Hughes. I have always been struck by the number of clergymen of all faiths whose graves I've seen in France. All men who didn't need to be there, and many others besides. Have just watched the special service on BBC (recording) and they do seem to have gone out of their way to mention all nations, including the Turks, and all services. Marj May I make a contribution and I share the view that we should remember all those who died whatever their birthplace. Here is a tribute to just one man: The Rev William Joseph FINN Chaplain 4th Class He was killed on the battlefield on 25 April 1915 near Sedd el Bahr, Turkey He is buried in Joint grave F 4, V Beach Cemetery, Cape Helles Additional information His address for probate was The Presbytery, Houghton Sancton, Yorkshire Father Finn's father and mother came from a place called Aghamore, Ballyhaunis, Co. Mayo. The Rev. William Joseph Finn was the first priest to be killed in the First World War. There were many brave men at V Beach (and all over Gallipoli) that day, but you can't help but be struck by the bravery of a man that didn't have to actually be there. It was said that he was shot in the chest as he was leaving the boat taking the soldiers to the beach - he was also shot in arm and leg as he administered sacraments to wounded soldiers and then shrapnel took away most of his head shortly afterwards. The Church of England minister, the Rev H C Foster, MA, wrote of his WW1 experiences in a book titled 'At Antwerp and in the Dardanelles' published by Mills & Boon in 1918. They developed a firm friendship while serving together. As a token of this friendship Finn presented Foster with a medallion of Our Lady of Mount Carmel. Foster himself wrote "Father Finn's death was a great grief to me and a great blow to his men who well-nigh worshipped him." As the boats drew nearer to the beach the awful hail of machine gun and rifle fire, together with shrapnel, took its toll. Father Finn, in the same boat as the Commanding Officer, leapt over the side to go to the assistance of wounded and dying men. His clothes were ripped with bullets and he was hit. Despite the pain he endured, he was seen crawling about the beach talking quietly to the RDF and trying to give Absolution to those close to death. This was not without the greatest difficulty, as one account states, as he had to hold his wounded right arm up with his left. He suffered from loss of blood and eventually exhaustion, end eye witness accounts attest that within a short time he was killed by shrapnel "Helles Landing-Gallipoli", (Barnsley-2003), Huw & Jill Rodge, p. 134 And just to add a little extra on Father Finn - this is from Myles Dungan's book "They Shall Not Grow Old" "A total of 172 padres were killed in the Great War, 16 of whom were Irish. Among the best known Irish chaplains to die were ........ Fr Finn, the first padre of the war to be killed, who died at Gallipoli having ignored an order not to go ashore with the troops. He was a Tipperary man (?) serving with the 1st Dublin Fusiliers. Before the V beach landing he had asked to be allowed to accompany the Dublins into what became an infamous massacre. He is reputed to have said, 'The priest's place is beside the dying soldier; I must go'. He certainly spent a considerable part of the day beside dying soldiers as there was an abundance of them at V Beach. He attempted to save a number of drowning and wounded men before being hit himself, in the right arm. He managed to get ashore and crawled around the beach offering help or consolation to the wounded and dying Dublins and Munsters. In order to give absolution he had to hold up an injured right arm with his left. While he was blessing one of the men in this fashion, there was a shrapnel burst above him which blew part of his skull away. He was buried on the beach and his grave marked with a cross made out of an ammunition box 'To the Memory of the Revd Capt. Finn'" With respect Michael Allbrook ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4311/9620 - Release Date: 04/25/15

May I make a contribution and I share the view that we should remember all those who died whatever their birthplace. Here is a tribute to just one man: The Rev William Joseph FINN Chaplain 4th Class He was killed on the battlefield on 25 April 1915 near Sedd el Bahr, Turkey He is buried in Joint grave F 4, V Beach Cemetery, Cape Helles Additional information His address for probate was The Presbytery, Houghton Sancton, Yorkshire Father Finn's father and mother came from a place called Aghamore, Ballyhaunis, Co. Mayo. The Rev. William Joseph Finn was the first priest to be killed in the First World War. There were many brave men at V Beach (and all over Gallipoli) that day, but you can't help but be struck by the bravery of a man that didn't have to actually be there. It was said that he was shot in the chest as he was leaving the boat taking the soldiers to the beach - he was also shot in arm and leg as he administered sacraments to wounded soldiers and then shrapnel took away most of his head shortly afterwards. The Church of England minister, the Rev H C Foster, MA, wrote of his WW1 experiences in a book titled 'At Antwerp and in the Dardanelles' published by Mills & Boon in 1918. They developed a firm friendship while serving together. As a token of this friendship Finn presented Foster with a medallion of Our Lady of Mount Carmel. Foster himself wrote "Father Finn's death was a great grief to me and a great blow to his men who well-nigh worshipped him." As the boats drew nearer to the beach the awful hail of machine gun and rifle fire, together with shrapnel, took its toll. Father Finn, in the same boat as the Commanding Officer, leapt over the side to go to the assistance of wounded and dying men. His clothes were ripped with bullets and he was hit. Despite the pain he endured, he was seen crawling about the beach talking quietly to the RDF and trying to give Absolution to those close to death. This was not without the greatest difficulty, as one account states, as he had to hold his wounded right arm up with his left. He suffered from loss of blood and eventually exhaustion, end eye witness accounts attest that within a short time he was killed by shrapnel "Helles Landing-Gallipoli", (Barnsley-2003), Huw & Jill Rodge, p. 134 And just to add a little extra on Father Finn - this is from Myles Dungan's book "They Shall Not Grow Old" "A total of 172 padres were killed in the Great War, 16 of whom were Irish. Among the best known Irish chaplains to die were ........ Fr Finn, the first padre of the war to be killed, who died at Gallipoli having ignored an order not to go ashore with the troops. He was a Tipperary man (?) serving with the 1st Dublin Fusiliers. Before the V beach landing he had asked to be allowed to accompany the Dublins into what became an infamous massacre. He is reputed to have said, 'The priest's place is beside the dying soldier; I must go'. He certainly spent a considerable part of the day beside dying soldiers as there was an abundance of them at V Beach. He attempted to save a number of drowning and wounded men before being hit himself, in the right arm. He managed to get ashore and crawled around the beach offering help or consolation to the wounded and dying Dublins and Munsters. In order to give absolution he had to hold up an injured right arm with his left. While he was blessing one of the men in this fashion, there was a shrapnel burst above him which blew part of his skull away. He was buried on the beach and his grave marked with a cross made out of an ammunition box 'To the Memory of the Revd Capt. Finn'" With respect Michael Allbrook

Hi Nirvard and List - I hoped that was what I was saying in my last line below "I would just like them to give full recognition to all who served." Yes, I have watched the Robert Lindsay about five times as it was shown many times on many channels, but somehow I failed to record it! It seemed to tell the exact story of my own grandfather - Robert's grandfather was on a very famous ship, I recall. It was amazing to see the exact stretch of water where it all happened. My grandfather was a seafarer all his life and had received a medal in 1902, when he must have been very young, for service in the South African War aboard the "High Flyer". Marj I know where you are coming from but we should not be picking over the numbers or nationalities of those that fought and died at Gallipoli or anywhere else We should be remembering them all, the many who were in service, whatever the arm, and the many civilians you were caught up in it all, and the many left at home similarly effected for the rest of their lives, even if their loved ones made it back Have you seen the WDYTYA on Robert Lindsay as his ancestor was also rowing those boats and was sunk twice if I remember rightly Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/04/2015 12:26, Marj Bennett via wrote: > I found myself shouting at the telly last night when I heard them > mention "our soldier" who died, while my grandfather was an Able > Seaman, who "volunteered to row troops ashore - and the Turks were > waiting for them in the hills" (as told to my by my grandmother). > > I would just like them to give full recognition to all who served. > > Marj ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4311/9620 - Release Date: 04/25/15

Hi Marj I know where you are coming from but we should not be picking over the numbers or nationalities of those that fought and died at Gallipoli or anywhere else We should be remembering them all, the many who were in service, whatever the arm, and the many civilians you were caught up in it all, and the many left at home similarly effected for the rest of their lives, even if their loved ones made it back Have you seen the WDYTYA on Robert Lindsay as his ancestor was also rowing those boats and was sunk twice if I remember rightly Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/04/2015 12:26, Marj Bennett via wrote: > I found myself shouting at the telly last night when I heard them > mention "our soldier" who died, while my grandfather was an Able > Seaman, who "volunteered to row troops ashore - and the Turks were > waiting for them in the hills" (as told to my by my grandmother). > > I would just like them to give full recognition to all who served. > > Marj

I found myself shouting at the telly last night when I heard them mention "our soldier" who died, while my grandfather was an Able Seaman, who "volunteered to row troops ashore - and the Turks were waiting for them in the hills" (as told to my by my grandmother). I would just like them to give full recognition to all who served. Marj Nicely said Marj. Unfortunately most Australians and New Zealanders often overlook the fact that about 2 1/2 times their number of British Empire troops (not including ANZACs) died at Gallipoli, and are mostly unaware that three times their number of FRENCH soldiers also died at Gallipoli - such is the power of the gutter press and commercial media. People believe what they want to believe. Veritatem petite - seek the truth - should of course be every genealogists motto. David On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 03:53:10 +1000, Marj Bennett via <ww1-uk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Of all who died 100 years ago, including my grand father AB William > Hughes aged 35, who died this day, exactly four weeks after my mother > was born. > > Marj > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4311/9615 - Release Date: 04/24/15 > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- ----- David Edwards ----- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4311/9620 - Release Date: 04/25/15

No we don't actually. Or at least this New Zealander doesn't. Cheers, Pieta -----Original Message----- From: ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ww1-uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Edwards via Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2015 10:21 AM To: Marj Bennett; ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] Thinking of Galipolli Nicely said Marj. Unfortunately most Australians and New Zealanders often overlook the fact that about 2 1/2 times their number of British Empire troops (not including ANZACs) died at Gallipoli, and are mostly unaware that three times their number of FRENCH soldiers also died at Gallipoli - such is the power of the gutter press and commercial media. People believe what they want to believe. Veritatem petite - seek the truth - should of course be every genealogists motto. David On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 03:53:10 +1000, Marj Bennett via <ww1-uk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Of all who died 100 years ago, including my grand father AB William > Hughes aged 35, who died this day, exactly four weeks after my mother > was born. > > Marj > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4311/9615 - Release Date: > 04/24/15 > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- ----- David Edwards ----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hear hear -----Original Message----- From: David Edwards via Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 10:20 AM To: Marj Bennett ; ww1-uk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WW1-UK] Thinking of Galipolli Nicely said Marj. Unfortunately most Australians and New Zealanders often overlook the fact that about 2 1/2 times their number of British Empire troops (not including ANZACs) died at Gallipoli, and are mostly unaware that three times their number of FRENCH soldiers also died at Gallipoli - such is the power of the gutter press and commercial media. People believe what they want to believe. Veritatem petite - seek the truth - should of course be every genealogists motto. David On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 03:53:10 +1000, Marj Bennett via <ww1-uk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Of all who died 100 years ago, including my grand father AB William > Hughes aged 35, who died this day, exactly four weeks after my mother > was born. > > Marj > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4311/9615 - Release Date: 04/24/15 > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- ----- David Edwards ----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WW1-UK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message